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    1. [SCSPARTA] Civil War and Slavery
    2. I am not the author of this document. It came to me from one of the many lists that I subscribe to on the Internet, it may have been this one, but anyway I thought it was a good time to send it to you as once any discussion of the Civil War begins, it seems to bring out a lot of opinions. I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this document as I have not researched its contents. I lost one g/gf in the Battle of Atlanta, he was CSA; and another in the infamous Shelton Laurel Massacre in Madison Co., NC, he was a civilian accused of being a Yankee sympathizer and murdered with 12 other men and boys by CSA troops. I do believe that modern-day, liberal historians are trying to rewrite the History of the Civil War to satisfy their own ambitions. Jim Webb ****************************** I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of States Rights." It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports that Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a lawsuit. Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" in the North. President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the revenue base for his expansionist plans. In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and those in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union General "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army had taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in the war had they anticipated this action of the government." Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending blacks to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his scheme in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with bright prospects for the future." If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by the chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested state legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. Indeed, it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural lands. The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated by blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't.

    06/19/2003 05:24:18
    1. Re: [SCSPARTA] Civil War and Slavery
    2. David Middleton Edelen II
    3. I agree with what whoever submitted that says. Read, "The South Was Right" and "Was Jeff Davis Right", by the Kennedy Bros, published by Pelican Press. The truth about it unclouded by the media, hollywood, etc.,. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jwebbj@aol.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Civil War and Slavery > I am not the author of this document. It came to me from one of the > many lists that I subscribe to on the Internet, it may have been this one, but > anyway I thought it was a good time to send it to you as once any discussion of > the Civil War begins, it seems to bring out a lot of opinions. I cannot > guarantee the accuracy of this document as I have not researched its contents. > I lost one g/gf in the Battle of Atlanta, he was CSA; and another in the > infamous Shelton Laurel Massacre in Madison Co., NC, he was a civilian > accused of being a Yankee sympathizer and murdered with 12 other men and boys by CSA > troops. > I do believe that modern-day, liberal historians are trying to rewrite > the History of the Civil War to satisfy their own ambitions. > Jim Webb > ****************************** > I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... > > I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of > States Rights." > > It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had > fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports that > Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln > never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from > residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks > from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a > lawsuit. > > Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to > attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. > Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more > tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, > the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" > in the North. > > President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about > slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the > revenue base for his expansionist plans. > > In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace > Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is > not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without > freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored > race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." > > When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure > hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and those > in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union General > "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army had > taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in the > war had they anticipated this action of the government." > > Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well > into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all > blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending blacks > to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states > "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his scheme > in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with > bright prospects for the future." > > If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have > carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly > supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. > > Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial > powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by the > chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested state > legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. Indeed, > it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. > > Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the > existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the > Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, > but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural lands. > > The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into > slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated by > blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an > established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on > the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. > > Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think > the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically > Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't. > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. 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    06/19/2003 06:41:10
    1. RE: [SCSPARTA] Civil War and Slavery
    2. TC
    3. Jwebbj@aol.com forwarded: President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the revenue base for his expansionist plans. In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." My reply is: Yep, people don't know, but Lincoln absolutely said that. Once he became president, that is. Before he was a "politician", he said other things. From the Lincoln obit http://obits.com/lincolnabraham.html "While Lincoln's stepmother encouraged his academics, Thomas Lincoln encouraged his son's industry with an axe and often rented Abraham out as a lumber man and laborer. Lincoln additionally aided his family's fortunes ferrying baggage and passengers across the nearby Ohio River, which led to a job piloting a cargo barge to and from New Orleans for a local merchant. The job turned the course of Lincoln's life, sending him for the first time to big cities and into the Deep South where he witnessed his first slave auctions. Of the slave auctions, Lincoln wrote home "If I ever get a chance to hit that thing, I'll hit it hard"." There were many things Lincoln said to avoid getting into a war with the south after he became president. He was in a very uncomfortable position - he didn't want to antagonize the south or alienate his potential base of soldiers in the north - because certainly no northern soldier would fight if they thought they were fighting to free black people who would come up and take their jobs. So, like all politicians, he had to be tricky but the fact is, it doesn't matter how many times people say the war is about states rights (they were saying that even when the war was going on), it was, in fact, about slavery. Why? Because the states wanted to maintain their rights to hold slaves, because slavery was the basis for their economic success. The north was attempting to take away their ability to compete in the national (even global, as far as it went during that time) marketplace. No wonder the south was angry. No wonder Lincoln said anything he could to try to hold it together. No wonder the black people caught in the middle thought it was all about them. Like I said in an earlier email, nothing is simply black & white. People are complex, and so are situations. Tanica Campbell, IBSSG Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ CANTRELL (GA)

    06/20/2003 05:08:24