Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War "? nancie --- Nancie O'Sullivan --- drayton5@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Civil War is a rather short and more traditional name of that war. Newspapers in the south referred to it as The War of Northern Aggression. That was the name used by my relatives in Arkansas....even after 1975. Newspapers in the north probably used a different name. By any name a half million young lives were snuffed out because Lincoln and the big manufacturing interests in the north wanted monopolies in sales of products in and to politically dominate the southern states. In those respects slavery had little to do with why the war was started. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancie O'Sullivan" <drayton5@earthlink.net> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War > "? > > nancie > > > > --- Nancie O'Sullivan > > --- drayton5@earthlink.net > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you will join us again soon. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03

I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of States Rights." It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports that Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a lawsuit. Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" in the North. President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the revenue base for his expansionist plans. In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and those in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union General "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army had taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in the war had they anticipated this action of the government." Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending blacks to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his scheme in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with bright prospects for the future." If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by the chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested state legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. Indeed, it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural lands. The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated by blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't. -----Original Message----- From: Don Kelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:10 AM To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States Civil War is a rather short and more traditional name of that war. Newspapers in the south referred to it as The War of Northern Aggression. That was the name used by my relatives in Arkansas....even after 1975. Newspapers in the north probably used a different name. By any name a half million young lives were snuffed out because Lincoln and the big manufacturing interests in the north wanted monopolies in sales of products in and to politically dominate the southern states. In those respects slavery had little to do with why the war was started. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancie O'Sullivan" <drayton5@earthlink.net> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War > "? > > nancie > > > > --- Nancie O'Sullivan > > --- drayton5@earthlink.net > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you will join us again soon. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Nancie; That is a good question, so many of us refer to it as "THE CIVIL WAR". I do because that is the way I was taught, my Histoy teachers and books all referred to it as the "CIVIL WAR". I have a TEXAS History school text book entitled "TEXAS and TEXANS" published in 1987 which refers to it as "THE CIVIL WAR". Could it be because it was a "CIVIL UPRAISING" of the STATES of the UNION?, since it was the citizens of the Southern States who "VOTED" to secess from the UNION. Most of us, TEXCANS refer to it as the "CIVIL WAR", we were taught to do so.... Now, Ken , let's hear from you. Evelyn Crocker Abilene Texas... Nancie OSullivan said: > > Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War > "? > > nancie > > > > --- Nancie O'Sullivan > > --- drayton5@earthlink.net > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com > with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you > will join us again soon. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My school teachers in California from the fourth grade through high school history all called it "The Civil War" and that was the name given in the text books. The textbooks said that Lincoln fought the war to free the slaves. When I attended college we received a vastly different version of American history, and in far greater detail, and we understood for the first time the real causes of the war. I am still disappointed that I was taught a pack of lies in school. Even at our tender ages I am sure we would have understood and respected the truth. Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyne Crocker" <ecrocoil@camalott.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > Nancie; > That is a good question, so many of us refer to it as "THE CIVIL WAR". I > do because that is the way I was taught, my Histoy teachers and books all > referred to it as the "CIVIL WAR". I have a TEXAS History school text book > entitled "TEXAS and TEXANS" published in 1987 which refers to it as "THE > CIVIL WAR". Could it be because it was a "CIVIL UPRAISING" of the STATES > of the UNION?, since it was the citizens of the Southern States who > "VOTED" to secess from the UNION. > Most of us, TEXCANS refer to it as the "CIVIL WAR", we were taught to do > so.... > Now, Ken , let's hear from you. > Evelyn Crocker > Abilene Texas... > > > Nancie OSullivan said: > > > > Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War > > "? > > > > nancie > > > > > > > > --- Nancie O'Sullivan > > > > --- drayton5@earthlink.net > > > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com > > with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you > > will join us again soon. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you will join us again soon. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03