Hi Leigh Thanks for the reply. Your GGG Grandfather Thornton F. Jones in 22C poses a very interesting problem. I have two Thornton F. Jones listed in 22C, but I tend to believe there is only one. Your information confirms some of what I have, but not all. My records show: Jones Thornton F. 22C death 11/11/62 MW Baltimore MD N burial 10/24/62 Woods Chapel Meth. Greer PVT captured at Boonesboro MD sent on 9/14/62 to Frederick MD Provost Marshal and on 10/3/62 he was paroled at Baltimore MD, to Provost Marshal and Died of Wounds on 11/11/62. Wife, Clarinda. In Dark Hours but not in Broken Fortunes Grave marking for survey entry at Woods Memorial at Greer JONES, Clarinda wife of Thorton Nov 19, 1820, Nov 19, 1884 JONES, Thorton May 27, 1824, Oct 24, 1862 died in civil war at Baltimore, MD The Broken Fortunes entry for T. F. Jones. Jones Thornton F. 22C died 6/15/62 MW Washington DC N Enlisted Spartanburg, age 34 (born 1828) b.5/27/24 buried at Nazareth Cem Greenville in Broken Fortunes. Note: The on-line rosters for 22C only have on Jones which lead to the conclusion they are the person buried at Woods Memorial Cemetery, but dates are confused. Grave indicates he was buried several days before he died according to Dark Hours. However, Broken Fortunes has death date before he was captured on battlefield at Boonesboro. Sure looks like he was wounded severely and left on the battlefield. No indication he was ever sent to a major prison. Rather the Yankees paroled him before he became a DPOW. Wonder if his family went to Baltimore/Washington to nurse him prior to his death and bring his body home for burial. Here in CA, I don't have access to his CSR, but a look at the microfilm in the Kennedy Room at the Library might clear up some of the confusion between Kirkland's two books. The States Rights Gist Camp 1451 SCV is working a project to assure CSA markers on graves of the vets buried in the County. They have also been working with Kirkland to update Broken Fortunes. I will pass this along to them. I have data on 12 more Jones. Maybe some of them are related to you? Let me know. I will get back to you about Sanford Rogers. There were 4 Rogers in 22C and 3 of them didn't come home alive. Maybe he won't be as confusing. This may not add much to explain why we don't know much of the circumstances of Thornton's death. We do know that the published records for him are confused. Talk later, KEN

Dean Ken, The message below reminded me that I needed to look at my file on (mostly) Holcomb's Legion, saved from correspondence with you. And, after re-reading all of it, I want to let you know how much I appreciate all the data I collected in this one file, now at about 35 pages. For me, this is a valuable collection - concerning my family and their neighbors. I truly appreciate it. Betty Jean Foster Dill, Spartanburg, SC. In a message dated 8/30/2007 10:01:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kenbelc@comcast.net writes: Hi I have been following the postings on the Holtzclaw brothers of 22nd SC Inf., Co. C. Both died as a result of being held as prisoners for quite some time after Lee surrendered. We tend to forget that the war didn't end with the Confederate surrenders, especially for prisoners. Spartanburg District paid an extremely high price in the blood of young men in two companies of 22 B and 22 C. A look at a few numbers may help us to better appreciate how they suffered. 22 C --139 men and 67 ( 48 %) were casualties. 22 B --159 men and 101 (64 %) casualties. Most of those to die in 22B were killed by the explosion at the Crater, 7/30/1864, Petersburg, VA. A different experience resulted for 22C in that most of its casualties resulted from the men to die as POWs. Overall 59 men became POWs and 24 of these died as prisoners. The battle after the Crater explosion resulted in 31 POWs and 16 died as POWs. The Holtzclaw brothers (George and James) were not captured at the Crater, but were among the 17 men of 22C who remained prisoners after April 9, 1865. For those with relatives who served in the 22nd SC Infantry, I would love to add to my records and will share what I know about them. Contact me at Kenbelc@comcast.net. Ken Belcher ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi I have been following the postings on the Holtzclaw brothers of 22nd SC Inf., Co. C. Both died as a result of being held as prisoners for quite some time after Lee surrendered. We tend to forget that the war didn't end with the Confederate surrenders, especially for prisoners. Spartanburg District paid an extremely high price in the blood of young men in two companies of 22 B and 22 C. A look at a few numbers may help us to better appreciate how they suffered. 22 C --139 men and 67 ( 48 %) were casualties. 22 B --159 men and 101 (64 %) casualties. Most of those to die in 22B were killed by the explosion at the Crater, 7/30/1864, Petersburg, VA. A different experience resulted for 22C in that most of its casualties resulted from the men to die as POWs. Overall 59 men became POWs and 24 of these died as prisoners. The battle after the Crater explosion resulted in 31 POWs and 16 died as POWs. The Holtzclaw brothers (George and James) were not captured at the Crater, but were among the 17 men of 22C who remained prisoners after April 9, 1865. For those with relatives who served in the 22nd SC Infantry, I would love to add to my records and will share what I know about them. Contact me at Kenbelc@comcast.net. Ken Belcher

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I have been following your emails with great interest, always looking for our George Hamilton Lackey and Fielding Lackey. Would it be too much to ask you to look for George Hamilton Lackey in your Roll of the Dead book? George's brother, William Lackey, was a participant in the war and maybe George also. Many thanks from a WV Lackey, n nancymlackey ladylackey@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: <LSmith3437@aol.com> > To: <scsparta@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/29/2007 2:35:13 PM > Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] G H Holtzclaw and G P Holtzclaw > > the poor 22nd was present at the crater in Petersburg. alot were sent ti > Elmira (where some of my folks died) and others to Point Lookout. > there is an online roster of the 22nd - right now i can't think of where - > but it may be true that there were two brorothers, George and James who both > died. certainl not unusual. i have a Roll of the Dead book and will check it. > who did Parthena marry? > leigh > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > Spartanburg County researchers are encouraged to visit the USGenWeb Spartanburg County website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~scsparta/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCSPARTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, so much! His wife would have been a third cousin. I love filling in bits and pieces! Barbara ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Parthena married Robert Vaughn(an). I don't know who his parents were. She was his first wife; his second was Martha Armelius (?) Hawkins. Robert Vaughn is buried with his first wife Parthena at Brushy Creek. Robert and Parthena had four children that I know of: George W., John, James P., and Robert Benjamin. Robert B. Vaughn was a well-known Baptist preacher who married Sirena Copeland. I think this family still has a reunion every year in the Greer or Taylors area. Suzanne Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] G H Holtzclaw and G P Holtzclaw > the poor 22nd was present at the crater in Petersburg. alot were sent ti > Elmira (where some of my folks died) and others to Point Lookout. > there is an online roster of the 22nd - right now i can't think of where - > but it may be true that there were two brorothers, George and James who > both > died. certainl not unusual. i have a Roll of the Dead book and will check > it. > who did Parthena marry? > leigh >

Hi Barbara, Alpha married George Preston Holtzclaw, Jr. Yes, they did live in Greer. I met George in 1997 and we shared Holtzclaw family information until his health began to fail. He passed away in 2001. They are buried at Mountain View Cemetery in Greer. George Preston Holtzclaw Jr and my mother Elizabeth Holtzclaw Collins were second cousins--but did not know each other! Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <CBARBIE2000@aol.com> To: <scsparta@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Alpha Gertrude Burgin Holtzclaw's husband > I've been watching the E-mails fly by with the name Holtzclaw. I only have > one in my line. Does any one know the Holtzclaw who married Alpha Gertrude > Burgin? I believe they lived in Geer, Spartanburg County, North Carolina. > She > died in 1977 so it's more recent history. > > Thank you, Barbara Channell >

I've been watching the E-mails fly by with the name Holtzclaw. I only have one in my line. Does any one know the Holtzclaw who married Alpha Gertrude Burgin? I believe they lived in Geer, Spartanburg County, North Carolina. She died in 1977 so it's more recent history. Thank you, Barbara Channell ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

the poor 22nd was present at the crater in Petersburg. alot were sent ti Elmira (where some of my folks died) and others to Point Lookout. there is an online roster of the 22nd - right now i can't think of where - but it may be true that there were two brorothers, George and James who both died. certainl not unusual. i have a Roll of the Dead book and will check it. who did Parthena marry? leigh ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Suzanne - i oritinally had Sara, Thomas, & L. Jane. after doing a little census work last night and noting some of my notes of the entries on the administration of the estate listed in the Carolina Spartan, I had also added Elijah and Henry ( they were listed as outside the state) although i didn't know which state. Parthena i didn't know about. according to the 1840 census - they had 6 boys and girl. so right now i total 11 children. i personally have not pulled the estate papers for elder George, i believe that George and mary were buried in the Old Jones family graveyard which was moved to Abner CReek. i was told there were Holtzclaw graves there and i believe i was told it was George Holtzclaw and wife. the graves wre only marked with fieldstones and the time frame of their deaths fits withthe others in the graveyard. leigh ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Jane, I found the following which may be the James in question-- James Pinckney Holtzclaw Private Co C 22nd SCVI captured 6 Apr 1865 Farmville VA, sent to City Point VA 14 Apr 1865, on to Newport News VA 15 June 1865, released on General Order #109, died Fairgrounds Hospital, Petersburg(?) 26 June 1865 of rem? fever (rheumatic fever maybe?). I am guessing Petersburg since the city is abbreviated as Pbg. I also checked the two books Broken Fortunes and Dark Hours compiled by Randolph W. Kirkland, Jr which gave the same information from the same sources. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane De Bruin" <cynthiabear98@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: [[SCSPARTA] G H Holtzclaw and G P Holtzclaw > Suzanne, > George Holtzclaw also had a son, James, that was probably killed in the > Civil War. > Jane >

Leigh, This is a working list of children for George Holtzclaw who married Mary Hendrix. Some children I have confirmed; others I haven't yet. Elijah(1822), Parthena(1824), Sarah(1832), William S.(1837), Henry(unk), George H.(1842), Thomas W.(1845), James 1846?), and L. Jane (1848). Elijah and Henry moved to AR and are buried there. Parthena is buried at Brushy Creek Baptist Church near Taylors. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <LSmith3437@aol.com> To: <scsparta@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] G H Holtzclaw and G P Holtzclaw > according to the 1860 Spartanburg Co., Census (1860; Census Place: > Southern > Division, <HLT>Sparta, South Carolina; Roll: M653_1226; Page: 374; ) > Geo Holtzclaw 65 > , Mary 55 > , Jane 20 > , Geo H. 18 > , Thomas 16 > , James 14 > > leigh > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > Spartanburg County researchers are encouraged to visit the USGenWeb > Spartanburg County website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~scsparta/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCSPARTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Leigh, That was my first thought, but now I don't think so. I am looking at microfilm copies of the original prison rosters. The fact that so much of the information given is identical is not unusual. A large number of men are listed from the 22nd as captured the same date and taken to the same prison as well as men from other units. The difference comes with the details of death, illness, parole, etc., in the remarks section of the rosters. Plus the individual soldiers often appeared on several lists. Each time they were moved from one prison to another, it seems a new list was generated. At this point, it doesn't seem to me that the prison rosters were filmed in any particular order-but I am still learning. It seems that the 22nd had a difficult time of it. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <LSmith3437@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] G H Holtzclaw and G P Holtzclaw > Suzanne, > in looking at the records given, i suspect they are two entries for the > same > man. i have run across that before when a soldeir was captured, they > were > sent from place to place. it would make sense he was in City Point in Apr > on > his was to Newport News where he died in May.

Suzanne, George Holtzclaw also had a son, James, that was probably killed in the Civil War. Jane Suzanne Matson <scmatson@alltel.net> wrote: I found the following two Holtzclaws in the Civil War Prisoner of War Records and would like to know how or if they connect to George Holtzclaw who married Mary Hendrix. George and Mary lived in Spartanburg County in the Abner's Creek area. Holtsclaw, G. H. private 22 SC Co C captured near Farmville VA Apr 6 1865 d. Newport News VA May 9 1865 grave no. 23 Newport News VA section 386A Holtzclaw, G P private 22 SC no company given captured Farmville VA Apr 6 1865 at City Point VA Apr 14, 1865 Note: The 22nd Regiment South Carolina Volunteers was formed mostly with Spartanburg area men. Thanks- Suzanne Collins Matson Spartanburg County researchers are encouraged to visit the USGenWeb Spartanburg County website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~scsparta/. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCSPARTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

according to the 1860 Spartanburg Co., Census (1860; Census Place: Southern Division, <HLT>Sparta, South Carolina; Roll: M653_1226; Page: 374; ) Geo Holtzclaw 65 , Mary 55 , Jane 20 , Geo H. 18 , Thomas 16 , James 14 leigh ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Suzanne, in looking at the records given, i suspect they are two entries for the same man. i have run across that before when a soldeir was captured, they were sent from place to place. it would make sense he was in City Point in Apr on his was to Newport News where he died in May. i only have 3 children listed for George and Mary Hendrix Holtzclaw - seems odd , plus i have a major gap of over 10 years between dau Sarah and son Thomas. This leaves some room for additional children? perhaps a son who died and so no one in the family remembered? The Co C of the 22nd SCV was loaded with my relatives - very unlucky company. leigh smith ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I found the following two Holtzclaws in the Civil War Prisoner of War Records and would like to know how or if they connect to George Holtzclaw who married Mary Hendrix. George and Mary lived in Spartanburg County in the Abner's Creek area. Holtsclaw, G. H. private 22 SC Co C captured near Farmville VA Apr 6 1865 d. Newport News VA May 9 1865 grave no. 23 Newport News VA section 386A Holtzclaw, G P private 22 SC no company given captured Farmville VA Apr 6 1865 at City Point VA Apr 14, 1865 Note: The 22nd Regiment South Carolina Volunteers was formed mostly with Spartanburg area men. Thanks- Suzanne Collins Matson

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