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Addison Bonner Ezell Fleming Garrett Gilkison Gilliam Gosnell Gray Hicks Johnson Jones Justus/Justis/Justice Kuykendall Lamb Lee Martin Mcguffie/Mcguffey Pain/Paigne/Payne Rakestraw Smith Thomas Tuck Wood Wyatt There are more farther back. Denise Gosnell Mangel

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"The Free Lance" Issue May 20, 1904 INMAN: -Mrs. E. C. BUSH continues very ill. -Mrs. Mary E. SETTLE is seriously sick at her home three miles south of here. -Thomas R. MOORE is just now the recipient of more congratulations than any other man in town: It is a bright little boy and is of course said to resemble the proud and handsome father. -Frank LITTLEFIELD and his bride have moved into their now house one mile northeast of town. -Miss Agnes LITTLEJOHN of Gaffney visited Mrs. B. B. BISHOP last week. -Miss Carrie POPE is visiting her aunt in Columbia. -Miss Ada BALLENGER has returned from Spencer, N. C. where she visited her brother, Edward BALLENGER. -Miss Estelle SMITH has returned to her home at Blacksburg after visiting friends and relatives here. SHOOTING NEAR WELLFORD Tom ODOM and Pope ODOM who live near Wellford were shot and painfully but not seriously wounded yesterday in a melee in which John and Simp TAYLOR were the opposing principals. While details are meager it is said that the row leading to the difficulty was due to the fact that a farm hand named ROPER, who had been employed by the ODUMS [sic], accompanied by John and Simp TAYLOR and BRUICE went to the latter's home early yesterday morning in order to get some personal effects. The elder ODUM took occasion to raise objection to ROPER's going away until the farmer's name had been taken from a lien which had been given by a man named BRUICE for whom ROPER had engaged to work. All this lead to the inevitable row and what was most natural, a rain of shots began. Deputy Sheriff HAYES went to the scene late yesterday afternoon but upon his arrival found that the TAYLORS and BRUCE [sic] had gone to Campobello to procure warrants against the ODOMS. Magistrate GOLIGHTLY has issued warrants against the TAYLORs and BRUCE, and the sequel to the affair will likely be the magistrate's court. FOSTER HOME IS BURNED One of the Finest Residence in Union Destroyed by Fire this Morning May 13 - The handsome home of Capt. A. H. FOSTER was completely destroyed by fire this morning at 4 o'clock. [more if someone wants it] NEW PROSPECT ITEMS: -Mrs. W. A. SIMMONS is sick at present with pneumonia. Her friends hope for her a speedy recovery. -R. V. McMILLIN and wife will spend this week in Charleston. There are others here who will attend the reunion. -Chas. ALVERSON of Atlanta was here last week on business. -Miss Lois SHORES of Spartanburg visited Mrs. Jennie McMILLIN last week. -Joseph McCLURE and wife are rejoicing over a new comer in their home - a girl. -The blacksmith shop of V. M. McMILLIN was burned last week. All the tools were saved and nothing was lost except the building. HEBRON HAPPENINGS: -Three years ago F. M. HARRELSON cleared up a piece of land near the river. He planted it in corn the first year the second year he planted it in cotton and last fall he sewed it in wheat and he says it is the best wheat he has ever seen. -On last Saturday there was a picnic at Hill's Bridge. The occasion was much enjoyed by all present and the table was loaded with all good things imaginable. Sul STRIBBLING and Ray HILL caught fifty pounds of fine fish and had them nicely prepared for the table. -Some of our Confederate soldiers have gone to Charleston to the reunion. FRIENDSHIP FACTS: -Rev. Mr. LANFORD of Campobello filled the pulpit at Friendship Sunday. Rev. W. W. JONES, the pastor, being absent attending the Southern Baptist convention. -Rev. L. C. EZELL was in this community a few days ago and preached a good sermon at Holly Springs. -C. A. WHITE, who has been visiting in Spartanburg and Union, returned home Sunday. -L. E. FARLEY was visiting at Peyton BALLENGERS Sunday. -Charlie DOBSON has a bright little girl who is very sick with fever. They have the sympathy of the community. CROSS ANCHOR CHRONICLES: -J. L. WILSON has this season placed orders for about 95,000 sweet potato plants. There was a general hustling when they came in. -Mrs. Hiram YARBOROUGH of Spartanburg is visiting at the Anchor. -Mr. and Mrs. Lester BURNETT and two children of Sour Lake, Texas are visiting their friends and parents here. -Mrs. C. M. SMITH, who has been spending the winter and spring with relatives here and elsewhere in the county, has returned home near Seneca. "It is not easy to explain why a white cat with blue eyes is deaf, but this seems to be the rule with few exceptions" NOTICE: Notice for final settlement on estate of Mrs. Naomi KIRBY by J. B. and J. D. KIRBY - May 3, 1904 NOTICE: C. P. and G. S. applied for letters of administration on estate of Asa SMITH April 27, 1904 NOTICE: Notice for final settlement on estate of Mrs. Sarah JAMES by T. L. LYTLE May 2, 1904 "Whether a girl is fat or not depends on whether she is describing herself or somebody else" Free Post Lisa

Here are my direct Spartanburg Names: CALVERT CATHCART COOPER HILL GRAHAM JACKSON - Union/Spartanburg JOHNSON LANFORD LAYTON LEATHERWOOD LYNCH MCCRAVY PARHAM STALLINGS STRIBLING WATERS WOFFORD That's about half - the other half were in Union Co. We didn't move around much : ) Lisa Stribling Burns Spartanburg, SC

In a message dated 2/24/03 2:43:16 PM, sperry1@twmi.rr.com writes: << True, some northern states did have repressive laws against blacks, but chattel slavery did not exist. >> Hello As a descendant of both Southern colonial and New England colonial families, I thought I'd offer some interesting snippets from articles I've discovered, regarding chattel slavery in New England: According to Deacon Jeffrey Bingham Mead in his book, "Chains Unbound: Slave Emancipation in Greenwich, Connecticut" Mead states that out of the 3,175 citizens of Greenwich in the 1790 Census, there were *49 citizens who owned 80 slaves.* In a letter to the visitors of the Fairfield Co. CT USGenWeb Project, Jeffrey wrote about one of the Meads of Greenwich in an effort to save its historic settlement (which failed, btw): http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctfairfi/pages/greenwich/meadfamest.htm ----------------------------------- On a visit of the Greenwich Historical Society archives and museum, I learned that Sarah (Isaacs) Bush, wife of 6G uncle, David Bush freed her slaves upon her death in the 1820's. See a photograph of a replica of the slave quarters in the home: http://hstg.org/SiteTree/index.cgi/71 "Slaves were commonly housed in attics above kitchens in New England homes, along with other property the family needed to store, such as dried herbs, fruits, and vegetables. Four slaves remained in the household in 1821--Patience and her teenage son Cull, and Candice with her teenage son Jack. Connecticut slave law freed slaves born after 1784 upon reaching their 25th birthday." And let's not forget the ties between Newport, RI and the so-called "Triangular Trade." http://www.providence.edu/afro/students/kane/triangle.txt "TRIANGLE TRADE Throughout the 18th Century, R.I. merchants controlled between *sixty and 90 percent of the American trade in African slaves.* Prior to this, R.I. trading was based upon produce and raw material imports from the West Indies and Europe, as well as finished material exports such as candles, rum, barrels, furniture, and silver goods, which were transhipped along the New England and Southern coasts. When R.I. began to take part in the slave trade and eventually monopolized the rum market, it replaced its past trading activities with Triangle Trade, or what has been referred to as "The Notorious Triangle." This "Triangular Trade" began as Rhode Island turned away from the land and toward the sea. Likewise, Triangular Trade eventually came to an end with the return to the land, in the establishment of the factory system." -----snip------- Surprised? So was I. A book that compares/contrasts the social and historical differences between the regions of England and the people who came from these regions to settle colonial America, helped me understand it a bit more. The book is "Albion's Seed," by David Hackett Fischer. Fischer suggests that one reason that African slavery didn't take root to any great extent in New England was partly because the rate of death in the colder climates made the practice unprofitable. On page 52, Fischer describes the "mini-Ice Age" that occurred in the 17th century in New England. "Black death rates were twice as high as whites [These generalities summarize demographic patters of high complexity, which will be discussed in forthcoming monograph on death in New England] --a pattern very different from Virginia where mortality rates for the two races were not so far apart, and still more different from South Carolina, where white death rates were higher than those of the blacks. So high was mortality among African immigrants in New England that race slavery was not viable on a large scale, despite many attempts to introduce it. Slavery was not impossible in this region, but the human and material costs were higher than many wished to pay. A labor system which was fundamentally hostile to the Puritan ethos of New England was kept at bay, partly by the climate." [An exception was the Narrangansett or "South Country" of Rhode Island and south eastern Connecticut, where the climate was similar to southern New Jersey or Northern Maryland. This subject will be discussed in volume II; for attempts to introduce slavery to Massachusetts, see Lorenzo Johnston Green, "The Negro in Colonial New England (New York, 1924.) Moreover, Fischer describes slavery as part of South and West country of English culture, going back to the middle ages: Page 241: "During the early middle ages, slavery had of England. Historian D. J. F. Fisher writes that the 'fate of many of the natives was not extermination but slavery.' [D.J.V. Fisher, The Anglo-Saxon Age, c. 400-1042 (London, 1973) 44, 122, 333.] This was not merely domestic bondage, but slavery on a larger scale. During t he eighth and ninth centuries, the size of a major slaveholdings in the south of England reached levels comparable to large plantations in the American South." Maureen Mead Pettypool, P'Pool, Wood, Pace, Seay, McVay, Springfield, Wood, Newby and related families of Upcountry SC. USGenWeb Project Fairfield Co. CT: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctfairfi

Believe it's a 'good time' for a Roll Call.... Families; PADGETT'S from VA. N.C. LARK'S from Edgefield/ Greenville Co. O'SULLIVAN'S from N.Y. Rutherford Co. nancie --- Nancie O'Sullivan --- drayton5@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

1916 July 22- Rev. W.H.K. PENDLETON, rector of the Church of the Advent, whose thrilling escape from the high waters of Green river, near Saluda, arrived in the city this afternoon. MRS. PENDLETON and children, who were in camp with Mr. Pendleton on Sat. night when much of their camping equipment and personal belongings were swept away by the river and who for several days later were marooned at Flat Rock are now at Saluda. After coming in relays by train, lever car, and afoot, they reached the city this afternoon. ----- FINALS IN GOLF July 5- The finals in the semi-annual golf tournament at the Country club which began yesterday will be played Saturday. The match will be played between HAMIL WHITE and DR. FOIX WILSON. The second flight will be between DR. WEBB THOMPSON and C.E. BAND. Players for the consolation in the second flight will be W.L. ISOM and JAMES WEST. Players in the third flight; R.W. HORNSBY and H.K. OSBORNE; for the consolation; P.D. HEFFNER and W.T. KING. --- DR. M.D. MILES DIED July 5- DR. M.D. MILES, a well known citizen of this county passed away at his home at Enoree after an illness of several months. Death was due to paralysis. The funeral will be held at Cedar Shoals church. Survived by 2 brothers, Capt. D.M. MILES, former county supervisor and DR. C.P. MILES; 2 sisters, MISS HANNA MILES and MISS SALLIE MILES, all of whom except Capt. Miles, make their home together at Enoree. He practised his profession but a few years ago retired in order to take up farming and merchandising. He was never married. --- SPECIAL EXCURSION FARES via Southern Railway FROM SPARTANBURG; Athens, Ga.- $ 4.75 Raleigh, N.C.- 9.60 Washington D.C.- 14.60 Mooseheart, Ill.- 32.70 Nashville, Tenn.- 12.80 Philadelphia, Pa.- 25.00 ----- Free post- nancie --- Nancie O'Sullivan --- drayton5@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

I had a black lady explain to me that the war was not entirly over slavery and that it was partly because of NOrthern Aggression. I could say alot more but would strat flaming. also my mom remebers stories handed down and indeed Slaves were treated as live stock and breed the same way.They had no say Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Perry" <sperry1@twmi.rr.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > Mr. Harrison: > Your reading about the Civil War is obviously selective. You should view > the fine progrom on HBO "Unchained Memories: Readings from the Slave > Narratives" and listen, from their own mouths, to how "tolerant and > compassionate" southern slave owners were to their slaves. It will turn > your stomach. These records are in the National Archives and there are many > oral histories in black families regarding slave life. I'm not saying that > there were some slaveowners who weren't kind, but the fact remains that they > were considered and treated as property the same as the owners' livestock. > (Look at tax records of plantations). True, some northern states did have > repressive laws against blacks, but chattel slavery did not exist. The > Underground Railroad succeeded because of people, black and white, who > risked their lives to disobey the 1850 Fugitive Slave law which allowed > slaveowners to pursue escaped slaves into northern states. Regardless of > Lincoln's original motivations, the Union and Confederate soldiers knew that > the war was over the institution of slavery. "States Rights" ultimately > meant the right of the South to continue this institution. In 1864, Lincoln > opened up the ranks of the Union Army to black men and more than 200,000 > free men and former slaves enlisted, including two of my great grandfathers. > They were most certainly fighting for the end of slavery, not to preserve > the Union. > > As far as your comments about the slave trade, black Africans did, in some > areas, participate in the enslavement of members of rival tribes as a result > of being offered weapons and other valuables to do so by European slave > traders. But to say that all slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks > is highly inaccurate. Colonials in America had tried to enslave Native > Americans, but were unsuccessful because the Native American could easily > escape into country that they knew better that the colonists. Africans were > seen as more ideal because they did not know the language and the country, > and could easily be identified if they tried to escape because of their > color. > Do you honestly believe that the South would have ended slavery voluntarily? > After the institution of slavery ended, psychological slavery in the form of > Jim Crow laws was established, which existed long after the states you > referred to had abolished anti-black laws. But,the whole nation, north and > south, I'm sure you will agree, has been tainted and haunted by this > history. > Pat Perry, slave descendant. > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Harrison" <samharrison@knology.net> > To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:32 PM > Subject: RE: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > > > I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... > > > > I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of > > States Rights." > > > > It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had > > fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports > that > > Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln > > never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from > > residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks > > from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a > > lawsuit. > > > > Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to > > attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. > > Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more > > tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, > > the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" > > in the North. > > > > President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not > about > > slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the > > revenue base for his expansionist plans. > > > > In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace > > Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and > is > > not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union > without > > freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored > > race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." > > > > When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure > > hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and > those > > in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union > General > > "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army > had > > taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in > the > > war had they anticipated this action of the government." > > > > Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well > > into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all > > blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending > blacks > > to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states > > "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his > scheme > > in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, > with > > bright prospects for the future." > > > > If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have > > carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly > > supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. > > > > Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial > > powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by > the > > chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested > state > > legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. > Indeed, > > it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. > > > > Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the > > existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the > > Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, > > but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural > lands. > > > > The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into > > slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated > by > > blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an > > established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on > > the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. > > > > Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think > > the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically > > Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Kelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:10 AM > > To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > > > > > Civil War is a rather short and more traditional name of that war. > > > > Newspapers in the south referred to it as The War of Northern > > Aggression. > > > > That was the name used by my relatives in Arkansas....even after 1975. > > > > Newspapers in the north probably used a different name. > > > > By any name a half million young lives were snuffed out because Lincoln > > and the big manufacturing interests in the north wanted monopolies in > > sales of products in and to politically dominate the southern states. > > > > In those respects slavery had little to do with why the war was started. > > > > Don > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nancie O'Sullivan" <drayton5@earthlink.net> > > To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:40 AM > > Subject: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War > > > "? > > > > > > nancie > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Nancie O'Sullivan > > > > > > --- drayton5@earthlink.net > > > > > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com > > with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you > > will join us again soon. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03 > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > The messages to this list are archived at RootsWeb. 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Enough please............

Anderson matters cont. The county commissioner decided on Tuesday that a Trial Justice is not entitled to any fees for holding an inquiest, on the ground that he is paid a salary to attend to criminal business. A Trial Justice presented his claim for holding an inquest but the Commissioners would not approve, and the matter will be carried to the Circuit Court. Married, on Thursday, April 25, 1889 at the residence of Mr. J. P. Haynie, by Rev. M. McGee, Mr. J. L. Geer, and Miss Alice Kay, daughter of Mr. W. P. Kay all of Broadaway Township, Anderson County. Mr. J. O. Rosamond, of this county, who recently graduated fro the University of Maryland, has been licensed to practice medicine in this State. >From the Journal of the 8th inst; Mr. Eugene Milford, of Means' clothing store, expects to leave Anderson about the 25th inst. and sail from New York about the 30th for a trip of two and a half months to Europe, taking in especially the great Paris exposition. Perpetual Motion- The Spartanburg correspondent of the News and Courier thus speaks of an old gentleman, well known in this part of the State and who died recently: A remarkable character died in the southern part of the county a few days ago. N. V. Van Patton came from New York got an interest in one of the primitive cotton factories of the County. He purchased the property known as Van Patton's Shoals, a fine water power on Enoree. Years ago, he began to work at perpetual motion and his time and means were spent in endeavoring to get up self-propelling power. He was a quiet good man with considerable information, but his life and usefulness were dwarfed by continual work at the impossible. Leigh C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/index.html http://wallsoftime.tripod.com/index.htm

Anderson matters >From the Intelligencer of the 8th Inst. Married, at Pelzer, S. C., on Sunday May 5th, 1889 by F. A. Daniels, Notary Public, Mr. Charles Lafoy and Miss Lizzie Owens. The City Council has purchased seven hundred additional feet of hose for the Fire Department. The man who beats M. J. C. Stribling of Pendleton on corn will get the prize. A two month-old son of Mr. J. F. Johnson of Martin Township, but formerly of Greenville, died on the 1st inst., of whooping cough. A. M. Neal, Jr. eldest son of Mr. John B. Neal, died at his home in Hopewell Township last Sunday night. about 9 o'clock, after an illness of only two days with pneumonia (rest is torn) Mrs. Eliza Sadler widow of the late John Sadler died at the home of her daughter Mrs. Teasley, at Hartwell, Ga., on Friday 3d inst., Mrs. Sadler was about 80 years of age. Mr. Robert N. Williamson, son of Mr. James Williamson, died at his home in Martin Township, on Friday, 3rd inst. after an illness of about nine months, aged nearly 18 years. The workmen who were injured by the falling in of the wall of the Masonic building last week are improving slowly. Last Monday afternoon, at Slabtown, in this County, Mr. R. M. Prince accidentally shot and killed his nephew, Mr. Lawrence Prince. Mr. Prince was loading his rifle, when it was accidentally discharged, the ball entering the head of his nephew, who was standing near by. The wounded man lived until 4 o/clock Tuesday morning. We have been unable to get any further information in reference to the sad affair. Married, at the residence of the bride's father, Mr. Ben Irby, on Wednesday, May 1st 1889, by Rev. G. M. Rogers, Mr. J. L. Bowen and Miss L. E. Irby, both, of Anderson County. Our clever friend, Mr. W. J. Reid, of Fork Township, came in to see us Monday morning and showed us some old tax receipts of his father, Mr. Moses Reid, deceased. Mr. Reid lives at the old homestead, which comprises about 111 acres. Last year his taxes on this place was $5.55, and in 1847 his father paid on the same place a tax of only 5 cents. Leigh C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/index.html http://wallsoftime.tripod.com/index.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgB.2ACI/2597.1 Message Board Post: Wish I had an answer for you but I don't. There were many SULLIVAN'S from Greenville area , about 30 miles from here. I was reading tonight an article about Capt. J.M. Sullivan's family during the War Between the States from Greenville. Could he be connected to your families ? There are also a couple of Sullivan's buried at Bethel cemetery, at Woodruff, Spartanburg Co.; FLORENCE SULLIVAN w/o John b. June 23, 1860- died Dec.7, 1890. CHARLES H. SULLIVAN, born May 24, 1890 d. Nov. 6, 1891. sorry, this is all I have at the moment. { My family were O'Sullivan's from Ireland in 1847 and settled in N.C., no relations}.

ok - i have some theories and i hope someone out there can help. I have a Kimbrell Reynolds b. abt 1810 Spartanburg Co., d. abt 1871 Buncombe Co., NC family lore says he had a sister (Sally?) who married a CARTEE. now - I think that Kimbrell is his mother's maiden name. From what little i know about the Kimbrell families (Robert & Thomas) there were some intermarriages with REYNOLDS/RANNOLLS. i'm at a point where i know something has got to be true but just have no idea how i can prove or disprove it. can anyone enlighten me on Kimbrell and Reynolds families in Spartanburg Co - so i can maybe put together my disjointed folks? Leigh C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/index.html http://wallsoftime.tripod.com/index.htm

While Pres. Lincoln was writing the 'Proclamation' one must also recall that the northern states practiced and did for many more years the use of children in sweat shops...along with women being locked inside unvented buildings for 12-14 hours per day. These children and women worked for pennys under the worst of conditions. No it wasn't the slavery issue when it came to Lincoln....it was the re-unification of the union. I had two grandfathers and more uncles who fought....none owned slaves. It was the issue of states rights and preservation of an individual's rights. Joyce Gaston Reece

I wanted to add one thing to this discussion. The South has been vilified for years and much truth has been suppressed. I believe it hurts both black and white descendants. For instance, when it is stated over and again that no black men fought for the Confederacy, it is dishonoring those black men who did, those who in fact received pensions for their active service. Don't we all agree that most fought to protect their homeland right or wrong by today's standards? Who can now put words in the mouths of the soldiers? And who are we to judge them? The Southerners paid dearly for losing that war. White and black alike. I agree that the freeing of the slaves by Lincoln was a political and strategic move, not based on his morality. Leigh C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/index.html http://wallsoftime.tripod.com/index.htm

Nancie, On my father's side of the family I have Wood's but they were from the Greenville area. If you don't mind I would love a copy of the picture, just in case. Denise Mangel  Nancie wrote: Doubtless one of the oldest of Confederate soldiers now living is MR. JAMES WOOD, of South Carolina, who was born November 26, 1812.

Article from the 'Confederate Veteran' magazine dated March, 1907. VENERABLE CONFEDERATE SOLDIER Doubtless one of the oldest of Confederate soldiers now living is MR. JAMES WOOD, of South Carolina, who was born November 26, 1812. He is therefore now in his 95th year and retains his faculties of memory to a remarkable degree. MR. WOOD was reared on a farm in Spartanburg District and pursued farming until a few years past. He is a typical South Carolina gentleman, dignified, and of strict integrity, possessing those noble qualities which make him friends where ever known. As a man, he is honorable and pure; as a father, affectionate and kind, as a soldier, he was faithful and brave. He now resides at Pacolet, S.C. with a daughter, MISS T.E. WOOD. His other surviving children are; MRS. ATLANTA BRYANT, of Pacolet; MRS. SALLIE LIPSCOMB, of Gaffney; MRS. R.A. BROWN, of Cowpens; and Messrs. A.N. and MOSES WOOD of Gaffney, both of whom served in the Confederate army. Comrade Wood was given his Cross of Honor in January, 1904, by the Spartanburg Chapter, U.D.C. and worn it continually since then. He served in Company A, 7th South Carolina Reserves; its third lieutenant at the close of the war. --- { There is a photo of him , if you like}. Free Post- nancie --- Nancie O'Sullivan --- drayton5@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgB.2ACI/2597 Message Board Post: Hello, I'm searching for my great grandfather's grave. My father, who is now deceased, told me years ago my great grandfather was buried in Spartanburg. His family left the area many years and was gone for quite some time. When my father and grandfather returned much later to visit my great grandfather's grave, the cemetary was gone and a school was in its place. I don't know what type of school it was. My father told me they were never able to find out what happened to the graves. My great grandfather's name was Elisah W. Sullivan. I'd appreciate any information anyone may have regarding cemetaries that were moved for school construction in the Spartanburg county area. Thanks in advance, Ken Sullivan

Don: Is it not true that slave-owners who granted freedom to their slaves were forced to post huge bonds to ensure they would not become a burden on the taxpayers? In some cases, it was just too expensive to let them go! -----Original Message----- From: Don Kelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:05 AM To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States To one of several good comments Stanley, the answer is YES, slavery would have ended anyway. Externally, Britain in 1812 outlawed slavery. For British /Americans that legal move was more supportive of an evolving human rights ideology than it was legally enforceable on American soil. Internally, legislators from the south had already made moves to limit the spread of slavery to other states. Kentucky was the first state placed out of bounds to slave owners. But the same eyes that saw Kentucky as a free state also saw other states north and west as free states in which slavery would not be tolerated. Kansas I believe was one of those. The descendents of the English Colonists held most of the plantations where slaves were kept (I don't know what percentage were slave owners, or English for that matter), but pressure upon them to reform was growing as new machines replaced the need for so much manpower. So YES, slavery would have ended anyway, but certainly not as fast. The biggest factor IMHO that caused the war was that the south had a thriving trade with Europe, which incidentally included better guns, better cannons, and more money for their cotton than the north could produce, and more money than the north was willing to pay for the cotton. As a matter of record, congressmen (and reps) of the north (more of them) ganged up on the congressmen/reps from the south and began passing laws detrimental to the south. "Unfair Enactments" they were called. An so they were. The situation became so overbalanced that the southern delegation, unable to achieve equal representation, as a body walked out and went home. Among the laws passed was laws to give industries in the north a monopoly on sales to the south. Add to that the northern navy, as a matter of government policy, harassed the ships who brought trade goods to the south, much through New Orleans......even boarding foreign ships in the open sea and even on the Mississippi River on occasion. So the question is, under those circumstances, if you were a southerner, what would be your first priority? Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Perry" <sperry1@twmi.rr.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > Mr. Harrison: > Your reading about the Civil War is obviously selective. You should view > the fine progrom on HBO "Unchained Memories: Readings from the Slave > Narratives" and listen, from their own mouths, to how "tolerant and > compassionate" southern slave owners were to their slaves. It will turn > your stomach. These records are in the National Archives and there are many > oral histories in black families regarding slave life. I'm not saying that > there were some slaveowners who weren't kind, but the fact remains that they > were considered and treated as property the same as the owners' livestock. > (Look at tax records of plantations). True, some northern states did have > repressive laws against blacks, but chattel slavery did not exist. The > Underground Railroad succeeded because of people, black and white, who > risked their lives to disobey the 1850 Fugitive Slave law which allowed > slaveowners to pursue escaped slaves into northern states. Regardless of > Lincoln's original motivations, the Union and Confederate soldiers knew that > the war was over the institution of slavery. "States Rights" ultimately > meant the right of the South to continue this institution. In 1864, Lincoln > opened up the ranks of the Union Army to black men and more than 200,000 > free men and former slaves enlisted, including two of my great grandfathers. > They were most certainly fighting for the end of slavery, not to preserve > the Union. > > As far as your comments about the slave trade, black Africans did, in some > areas, participate in the enslavement of members of rival tribes as a result > of being offered weapons and other valuables to do so by European slave > traders. But to say that all slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks > is highly inaccurate. Colonials in America had tried to enslave Native > Americans, but were unsuccessful because the Native American could easily > escape into country that they knew better that the colonists. Africans were > seen as more ideal because they did not know the language and the country, > and could easily be identified if they tried to escape because of their > color. > Do you honestly believe that the South would have ended slavery voluntarily? > After the institution of slavery ended, psychological slavery in the form of > Jim Crow laws was established, which existed long after the states you > referred to had abolished anti-black laws. But,the whole nation, north and > south, I'm sure you will agree, has been tainted and haunted by this > history. > Pat Perry, slave descendant. > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Harrison" <samharrison@knology.net> > To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:32 PM > Subject: RE: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > > > I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... > > > > I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of > > States Rights." > > > > It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had > > fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports > that > > Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln > > never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from > > residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks > > from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a > > lawsuit. > > > > Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to > > attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. > > Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more > > tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, > > the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" > > in the North. > > > > President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not > about > > slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the > > revenue base for his expansionist plans. > > > > In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace > > Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and > is > > not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union > without > > freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored > > race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." > > > > When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure > > hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and > those > > in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union > General > > "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army > had > > taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in > the > > war had they anticipated this action of the government." > > > > Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well > > into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all > > blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending > blacks > > to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states > > "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his > scheme > > in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, > with > > bright prospects for the future." > > > > If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have > > carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly > > supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. > > > > Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial > > powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by > the > > chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested > state > > legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. > Indeed, > > it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. > > > > Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the > > existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the > > Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, > > but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural > lands. > > > > The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into > > slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated > by > > blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an > > established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on > > the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. > > > > Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think > > the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically > > Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Kelly [mailto:donkelly@grovenet.net] > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:10 AM > > To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > > > > > Civil War is a rather short and more traditional name of that war. > > > > Newspapers in the south referred to it as The War of Northern > > Aggression. > > > > That was the name used by my relatives in Arkansas....even after 1975. > > > > Newspapers in the north probably used a different name. > > > > By any name a half million young lives were snuffed out because Lincoln > > and the big manufacturing interests in the north wanted monopolies in > > sales of products in and to politically dominate the southern states. > > > > In those respects slavery had little to do with why the war was started. > > > > Don > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nancie O'Sullivan" <drayton5@earthlink.net> > > To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:40 AM > > Subject: [SCSPARTA] War Between the States > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth, why do you prefer to call it 'Civil War > > > "? > > > > > > nancie > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Nancie O'Sullivan > > > > > > --- drayton5@earthlink.net > > > > > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > > If you need to unsubscribe send mailto:SCSparta-l-request@rootsweb.com > > with one word in the bottom of the message: unsubscribe We hope you > > will join us again soon. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03 > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > The messages to this list are archived at RootsWeb. 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