Oooohhh!!! I read that newspaper clipping about your ancestor being bit by that Black Widow!! Ghastly!! I HATE SPIDERS!!! They and their brethren such as Scorpions are evil creatures, just miniature monsters ( I know, spiders a some of the most benificial of creatures, but they are still "gross"!!) !! Dave Millbrook, Al. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry V" <lvehorn@indy.rr.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] "The Carolina Spartan" Issues: May 1882 > > Miss Nancy C. LANCASTER, daughter of Samuel LANCASTER, Esq., was bitten by > a > > spider during the night about two weeks ago. She became quite sick in a > few > > minutes after she was bitten and suffered very intensely. Soda was > applied to > > the places bitten, and whiskey was administered in large doses {does not > state > > whether it was administered externally or internally} and she seems to be > > improving. The spider was a large sleek black one with a red spot on the > back. > > {Sounds like a black widow} The treatment has been the same as is used in > > snake bite, and her physician thinks the bite of this spider as dangerous > as that > > of the most poisonous snake. > > Yes. Nancy was my great-great-aunt and had little use of the arm bitten, the > rest of her life. In her father's will, he stated that Nancy was nearly an > invalid. > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Archives for Spartanburg County are: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sc/sca_spar.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> Miss Nancy C. LANCASTER, daughter of Samuel LANCASTER, Esq., was bitten by a > spider during the night about two weeks ago. She became quite sick in a few > minutes after she was bitten and suffered very intensely. Soda was applied to > the places bitten, and whiskey was administered in large doses {does not state > whether it was administered externally or internally} and she seems to be > improving. The spider was a large sleek black one with a red spot on the back. > {Sounds like a black widow} The treatment has been the same as is used in > snake bite, and her physician thinks the bite of this spider as dangerous as that > of the most poisonous snake. Yes. Nancy was my great-great-aunt and had little use of the arm bitten, the rest of her life. In her father's will, he stated that Nancy was nearly an invalid.

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The Spartan and I will be on vacation next week, I will unsub until I return. See y'all on the beach, Lisa "The Carolina Spartan" Issue: May 3, 1882 Mr. C.M. Van ORSDELL, Jr., has just received a dispatch stating that his father in Wilmington, N.C., is quite ill and he will leave Thursday to visit him. During which time Mr. J.B. ARCHER is authorized to deliver all finished work and collect for the same. Issue: May 10, 1882 R.K. CARSON, Esq., and Mr. William RAWLINGS have both been sick about ten days, but they are improving and both of them will be on the streets again in a few days. Hiram McABEE, Jr., reports the best stand of cotton he ever had. He is now w orking it over and does not find a missing hill in it. His corn and oats also look well. Mr. J.W. TUCK, four miles north of town, left some fine strawberries at this office about a week ago. Miss Nancy C. LANCASTER, daughter of Samuel LANCASTER, Esq., was bitten by a spider during the night about two weeks ago. She became quite sick in a few minutes after she was bitten and suffered very intensely. Soda was applied to the places bitten, and whiskey was administered in large doses {does not state whether it was administered externally or internally} and she seems to be improving. The spider was a large sleek black one with a red spot on the back. {Sounds like a black widow} The treatment has been the same as is used in snake bite, and her physician thinks the bite of this spider as dangerous as that of the most poisonous snake. Issue: May 17, 1882 It is getting about time for another wedding in town. The lights are burning low and late in two certain parlors and the family physicians say there is no one sick there. ESTATE NOTICE The creditors of the estate of Mrs. A.H. CANNON, deceased, will present their claims, properly proven, to the undersigned on or before the first day of June next and those indebted to said estate are required to make immediate payment. Alice CANNON G.C. CANNON Issue: May 24, 1882 MARRIED --On the 4th of May, by Rev. A.A. James Dr. T.R. WARD and Miss Juliet LANCASTER all of Spartanburg county, S.C. Issue: May 31, 1882 Some of our readers about Gaffney's may remember John H. BOBBITT. He was born near Cherokee Ford and is a nephew of Obadiah TATE and Irving SARRATT. It gives us pleasure to state to his relatives and friends that he is now Superintendent of schools in Decatur county, Indiana, his postoffice being at Greensburg. Last week James G. HARRIS, Jr., was having some blasting done in order to get a place for a wheel at the Golightly mill place, near Dr. W.E. DEAN's and a premature explosion caused the tamping to fly in his face with great force, destroying his left eye. His physician thinks the right eye will be sound after the healing of the face. [cut off] free post Lisa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgB.2ACI/2661.1.1 Message Board Post: I am Looking at the Dye's that were on the 1790 Census and how they are related to each other Elisha John Thomas Henry and further back to find the parents I am a descendent of Henry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dickerson, Dye, Austin, Brannon, Due, Mobley, Fee, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgB.2ACI/2661.1 Message Board Post: If this is Chester Co of South Carolina, I have a Thomas Dye that married into the family but he wasn't born until abt 1846

re: Franklin J. (probably I.) Moses......his father was Franklin Israel Moses Sr., chief justice of the SC Supreme Court. The family was from Sumter. Moses Sr. married Jane Dorcas McClelland, dau. of Rev. James and Ann Harrison McClelland. Jr. (Gov.) married Emma Richardson, dau. of James Sanders Guignard Richardson and Mary Plowden Wilder Richardson. According to several sources: Born circa 1838 at Sumter, Moses began his political career by serving as a private secretary to Governor Francis Pickens. During the War Between the States he served as conscript officer. At war's end, he became an influential member of the Republican party, cultivating support of new Negro voters. In 1872 Moses was elected as a Republican Governor. His administration was marked with charges of abuse of office and mismanagement of public finances, and he retired from office after one term. He was disowned by his family and he left South Carolina to go North. While living in the North, he was imprisoned on charges of fraud and theft. In 1885 he was sentenced to prison again on charges of swindling, but was pardoned by Governor Ames of Massachusetts. Moses died Dec. 11, 1906. ~~~~~ According to "The History of South Carolina", by Mary Simms Oliphant: "After the four years of corrupt government under Scott, the Republicans elected a new governor. He was Franklin J. Moses Jr., a scalawag from Sumter. During his administration the state sank to its lowest depths of misery. Because of his open stealing, Moses became known as the 'Robber Governor.' " ~~~~~ The State (Columbia S. C.) newspaper, April 16, 2000. Excerpt from "Hampton-Preston Mansion has a varied and colorful past" (in conjunction with article on the mansion being chosen as the 2000 Decorator Showhouse). "After that, a laundry list of people used the property including Gov. Franklin Moses and his wife Emma, who stayed there briefly. They made the down payment of $15,000 with money received from a bribe for a government printing contract." ----- Original Message ----- From: <Toomean2@aol.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] "The Carolina Spartan" Issues: April 1882 > "The Carolina Spartan" > Issue: April 5, 1882 > > > Franklin J. MOSES, ex-Governor of this state was arraigned before the police > court of New York last week for swindling a piano manufacturer out of $175. > There are several other charges of the same kind against him. The poor fellow, > as a common swindler, is not much better than when he was the first > republican of this State. >

"The Carolina Spartan" Issue: April 5, 1882 A terrific cyclone passed over Georgia the 27th of March. It was quite narrow, but timber, houses and mills and all moveable things were swept away. Several persons were killed. The counties of Randolph, Terrell, Lee, Dooley and Wilkinson all suffered. Franklin J. MOSES, ex-Governor of this state was arraigned before the police court of New York last week for swindling a piano manufacturer out of $175. There are several other charges of the same kind against him. The poor fellow, as a common swindler, is not much better than when he was the first republican of this State. The four colored persons convicted for incendiarism in Greenville were sentenced again last week. The time of execution is the 28th instant. Their names are Pleasant ADAMS, Bill DODSON, Joe BURTON and Rich BATES. The first of these desired to be baptized by immersion in Reedy River, and his counsel, Colonel STOKES, applied to the Judge for permission but was refused. It is time that the small boy should be permitted to dig an oyster can of worms and try his luck amongst the minnows of Chincapin. How our heart goes out to the little fellows as they are returning home, the oyster cans thrown away, their poles dragging in the dust, and a few dried minnows in their pockets. Such boys make men. The Commencement exercises of the medical school of Vanderbilt took place the 27th of February. The degree of Doctor of Medicine was conferred on two from this state. Oscar A. DUKES and S.B.SMITH, the latter being from this county and a son of Capt. A.K. SMITH who was killed at the Second Manassas. Dr. SMITH will locate at Asbury Chapel, in Union County. Mr. C.M. AMOS commonly known as "Boss Amos" had the great misfortune to lose his dwelling house, outbuildings, furniture, bacon, corn, fodder, and clothing, by fire, last Friday night. Between 10 and 11 o'clock his wife was awaked by the glare of fire, and Mr. Amos rose and found the roof of his smoke house falling in. The fire originated there. He had nearly finished a new dwelling house, near Inman station on the Asheville Road, at a cost of $1500 to $1800. His whole loss cannot fall below $2500. The origin of the fire is unknown. He is a most industrious and thrift citizen, and he has the sympathy of numerous friends. Those desiring to assist Mr. AMOS in his great misfortune, will please leave their contributions at Mr. J.B. ARCHER's. Issue: April 19, 1882 COURT OF COMMON PLEAS In obedience to an order passed April 5th, 1882, by his Honor B.C. Pressely, Circuit Judge, I will sell on the first Monday in May next, at the Court House of Spartanburg county, within the legal hours of sale, the following described property, to wit: A tract of land situated in Spartanburg county, State aforesaid, whereon Amelia B. LANFORD formerly lived, bounded by lands of M.B. PARSONS, Mrs. BARNETT, and others, and containing one hundred and thirteen acres, more or less. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS A.B. BISHOP, et al, Plaintiffs, vs. Mary Noline BISHOP, et al, Defendants-Order in Partition. By virtue of an order passed in the above stated case by his Honor, B.B. Pressley, Circuit Judge, I will sell at public outcry to the highest bidder, at the Court House Monday in May next, within the legal hours of sale, the following described real estate, to wit: All that tract or parcel of land lying and being in the County and State aforesaid, containing one hundred five and one-half acres, the real estate of Geo. B. BISHOP, deceased, bounded by Lots Nos. 2 and 3, of the real estate of said deceased, and others. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS Caroline COLLINS, et al, Plaintiffs, vs. W.J. WALL, et al Defendants-Sale for Partition. By virtue of authority given me in an order passed in the above stated case by his Honor, B.C. PRESSLEY, Circuit Judge, at the last term of the Court, I will sell at public outcry, to the highest bidder, at the Court House door, in the city of Spartanburg, on the first Monday in May next, within the legal hours of sale, the following described real estate, to wit: All that tract and parcel of land lying and being in the county and State aforesaid, known as Lot No. 2 and in the division of the real estate of Geo. B.BISHOP, deceased, containing one hundred thirty-five and one-half acres, more or less, bounded by lands of Colonel FULLER and others. Also, One other tract adjoining the above described tract, containing eighty and one half acres, more or less, and known as Lot No. 3 in the division of said real estate, bounded by lands of BLALOCK and others. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS Phillip M. COHEN, Plaintiff, against Munro WATERS, Ellen WATERS, Sophina WATERS, and Sarah WATERS, defendants. In obedience to an order passed by hi Honor B.C. Pressley, Circuit Judge, on the 3d day of April, 1882 I will sell . . . A lot of land, in the city of Spartanburg, bounded by lots of WINSMITH, BOMAR and TRAYLOR, THOMSON, and others, and containing two acres more or less. MARRIED --COOPER-PRINER-On the 9th of April, 1882, by W.P. Miller, N.P., Mr. Oliver COOPER and Miss Rebecca Ann PRINER, all of Spartanburg county. --CHAMBLIN-HUNTER-On the 11th of April, 1882, at the residence of Jesse LEATHERWOOD, by Rev. L.C. Ezell, Mr. D.A. CHAMBLIN and Mrs. E.A. HUNTER, both of Spartanburg county. Issue: April 26, 1882 Married at Abbeville, S.C., Mr. Eugene L. WILSON and Miss Willie T. COOGLER. free post Lisa

Jwebbj@aol.com forwarded: President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the revenue base for his expansionist plans. In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." My reply is: Yep, people don't know, but Lincoln absolutely said that. Once he became president, that is. Before he was a "politician", he said other things. From the Lincoln obit http://obits.com/lincolnabraham.html "While Lincoln's stepmother encouraged his academics, Thomas Lincoln encouraged his son's industry with an axe and often rented Abraham out as a lumber man and laborer. Lincoln additionally aided his family's fortunes ferrying baggage and passengers across the nearby Ohio River, which led to a job piloting a cargo barge to and from New Orleans for a local merchant. The job turned the course of Lincoln's life, sending him for the first time to big cities and into the Deep South where he witnessed his first slave auctions. Of the slave auctions, Lincoln wrote home "If I ever get a chance to hit that thing, I'll hit it hard"." There were many things Lincoln said to avoid getting into a war with the south after he became president. He was in a very uncomfortable position - he didn't want to antagonize the south or alienate his potential base of soldiers in the north - because certainly no northern soldier would fight if they thought they were fighting to free black people who would come up and take their jobs. So, like all politicians, he had to be tricky but the fact is, it doesn't matter how many times people say the war is about states rights (they were saying that even when the war was going on), it was, in fact, about slavery. Why? Because the states wanted to maintain their rights to hold slaves, because slavery was the basis for their economic success. The north was attempting to take away their ability to compete in the national (even global, as far as it went during that time) marketplace. No wonder the south was angry. No wonder Lincoln said anything he could to try to hold it together. No wonder the black people caught in the middle thought it was all about them. Like I said in an earlier email, nothing is simply black & white. People are complex, and so are situations. Tanica Campbell, IBSSG Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ CANTRELL (GA)

I agree with what whoever submitted that says. Read, "The South Was Right" and "Was Jeff Davis Right", by the Kennedy Bros, published by Pelican Press. The truth about it unclouded by the media, hollywood, etc.,. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jwebbj@aol.com> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Civil War and Slavery > I am not the author of this document. It came to me from one of the > many lists that I subscribe to on the Internet, it may have been this one, but > anyway I thought it was a good time to send it to you as once any discussion of > the Civil War begins, it seems to bring out a lot of opinions. I cannot > guarantee the accuracy of this document as I have not researched its contents. > I lost one g/gf in the Battle of Atlanta, he was CSA; and another in the > infamous Shelton Laurel Massacre in Madison Co., NC, he was a civilian > accused of being a Yankee sympathizer and murdered with 12 other men and boys by CSA > troops. > I do believe that modern-day, liberal historians are trying to rewrite > the History of the Civil War to satisfy their own ambitions. > Jim Webb > ****************************** > I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... > > I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of > States Rights." > > It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had > fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports that > Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln > never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from > residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks > from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a > lawsuit. > > Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to > attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. > Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more > tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, > the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" > in the North. > > President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about > slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the > revenue base for his expansionist plans. > > In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace > Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is > not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without > freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored > race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." > > When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure > hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and those > in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union General > "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army had > taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in the > war had they anticipated this action of the government." > > Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well > into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all > blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending blacks > to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states > "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his scheme > in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with > bright prospects for the future." > > If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have > carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly > supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. > > Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial > powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by the > chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested state > legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. Indeed, > it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. > > Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the > existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the > Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, > but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural lands. > > The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into > slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated by > blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an > established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on > the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. > > Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think > the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically > Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't. > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am not the author of this document. It came to me from one of the many lists that I subscribe to on the Internet, it may have been this one, but anyway I thought it was a good time to send it to you as once any discussion of the Civil War begins, it seems to bring out a lot of opinions. I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this document as I have not researched its contents. I lost one g/gf in the Battle of Atlanta, he was CSA; and another in the infamous Shelton Laurel Massacre in Madison Co., NC, he was a civilian accused of being a Yankee sympathizer and murdered with 12 other men and boys by CSA troops. I do believe that modern-day, liberal historians are trying to rewrite the History of the Civil War to satisfy their own ambitions. Jim Webb ****************************** I don't want to start another War here, but I have to comment ..... I still prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression" or "The War of States Rights." It is hard to believe, but in a number of Northern states, free blacks had fewer rights than slaves in the South. Historian Charles Adams reports that Indiana and Ohio prohibited free Negroes from entering the state. Lincoln never spoke against the Illinois law (1853) that barred black people from residing in that state. The Oregon constitution (1859) prohibited blacks from coming into the state, holding property, making contracts or filing a lawsuit. Northern states that permitted black residency did not permit blacks to attend the theater or school, nor could blacks be admitted to hospitals. Alexis De Tocqueville wrote that the Southern people were "much more tolerant and compassionate" toward blacks than were Northerners. In 1862, the North British Review wrote that "free Negroes are treated like lepers" in the North. President Lincoln made it abundantly clear that the Civil War was not about slavery. He invaded the Confederacy in order to maintain the union and the revenue base for his expansionist plans. In 1862, Lincoln wrote a public letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." When Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation as a wartime measure hoping to stir up a slave rebellion in the South (Northern slaves and those in Confederate territory under Union control were not freed), Union General "Fighting Joe" Hooker wrote to Lincoln that "a large element of the army had taken sides against it, declaring that they would never have embarked in the war had they anticipated this action of the government." Pulitzer Prize winner David Herbert Donald documents that Lincoln, "well into his presidency," wanted to solve the "Negro problem" by sending all blacks back to Africa. Lincoln had a colonization scheme for sending blacks to Liberia. This would keep blacks from migrating to the Northern states "where they would compete with white laborers." Lincoln justified his scheme in terms of "restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with bright prospects for the future." If Lincoln had not been assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, he might have carried off his scheme. The Northern states would have wholeheartedly supported it, and perhaps the defeated Southern states, as well. Lincoln had the power to implement his scheme. He had acquired dictatorial powers early in the war simply by asserting them. He ignored rulings by the chief justice of the Supreme Court, suspended habeas corpus, arrested state legislators and newspaper editors, and exiled a U.S. representative. Indeed, it was his exercise of dictatorial power that caused his assassination. Slaves were brought by European colonists to the South prior to the existence of the United States. Slaves were brought there not because the Confederacy (which did not exist at that time) wished to mistreat blacks, but because there was no labor force to work the fertile agricultural lands. The black slaves brought to North America were captured and sold into slavery by other blacks. The African slave market in Dahomey was operated by blacks. The Southern states emerged from colonies in which slavery was an established institution. As economic historians have noted, slavery was on the way out as a growing population provided a free labor market. Just started back to college at age 57 to get my degree. Kids today think the War was only fought over slavery (Revisionist History & Politically Correct Thinking). Trying to educate them.... The Professors won't.

I think someone on this site sent me a e-mail titled "Re: Jackson." I was deleting some of the Spam mail that I had received and accidentally deleted this message before reading it. Please resend to <Jwebbj@aol.com> Thanks, Jim Webb

"The Carolina Spartan" Issue: March 15, 1882 Willie TROUT of Fingerville is very sick. His friends have only slight hope of his recovery. Last Saturday a four horse team of G. D. CARRIER ran away from the Air Line Depot, being frightened at an approaching train. The driver was not in reach of them when they started and they ran up Magnolia street and one of the horses was killed. Solicitor DUNCAN ran up home from Union Saturday night, and returned Monday to finish up the Sessions docket. He thought he would get through Tuesday. There was a great amount of criminal business for a small county. KNOX was acquitted for the killing of GALLMAN. The EDWARDS case attracted considerable attention. In May 1876, John EDWARDS in broad day light shot John SANDERS near Wilkinsville in Union county. The prisoner was defended by Wm. MUNRO and McKILLICK of the Union bar and Col. RION of Winnsboro. The solicitor was assisted by C.P. SANDERS Esq., of Spartanburg. They jury brought in a verdict of manslaughter. The case occupied a part of three days. The punishment is five to thirty years in the penitentiary. MARRIED --March 12, 1882 by Rev. T.V. Gowan, Mr. James A. BROCK, of Buncombe Co., N.C., and Miss Nannie S. BUSH, of Spartanburg Co., S.C. --February 5, 1882, by Rev. R.H. Reid Mr. Philip SUTTLE and Miss Elsie Annie WEST, all of Spartanburg Co., S.C. Issue: March 22, 1882 Mr. George B. ANDERSON of Enoree, reports small grain as looking remarkable well on the Western side of the county. Mr. C.H. STRICKLAND has concluded to cast in his lot with the people of Spartanburg. He is a son of Rev. W.H. STRICKLAND, now of Greenville. JOHN C. CALHOUN The hundredth birthday of this great statesman was duly celebrated by the Calhoun Literary Society of Wofford College last Saturday evening. Born March the 18th, 1782, died March 31st, 1850. That is the record. All the history of our country except the first and last chapters was made between these two dates. Issue: March 29, 1882 THE SESSIONS' DOCKET To the surprise of every one the criminal court took up nearly the whole week. The Solicitor thought he would get through in two days, but he did not calculate the other side would talk so much. Instead of fifteen cases, twenty-five were called. Two the them consumed about a day each. One of them was the State against Mark KIRBY and other and the other the BISHOP and LITTLE case. The following is the disposition of the cases: Henry LEWIS, assault and battery, and resisting an officer-nol pros. John WRIGHT, assault and battery-guilty; sealed sentence Charles CARR, carrying a concealed weapon, --pleaded guilty; sentence $5.00 fine Jack PEARSON, carrying a concealed weapon, pleaded guilty; sentence $5.00 Marcus KIRBY, William WELCH, Johanna DAVIS, Tim SCULLY and Ella SCULLY, riot and assault and battery of an aggravated nature-Nol Pros as to Ella SCULLY. She was a little girl about fourteen years of age. Guilty as to the others. Sentence Johnanna DAVIS, $50 fine and costs of suit, or two months in jail; Marcus KIRBY, $25 fine, or two months in jail; WELCH and SCULLY each fined $5. Barnett OWENS-carrying a concealed weapon, pleaded guilty; sentence $5. William T. ARNOLD, carrying a concealed weapon-pleaded guilty; sentence $5. John WILLIAMS, alias John WALLACE, purchaing (?) seed cotton in the night--guilty; sentence thirty days in jail. Miles WOFFORD, breaking and entering a dwelling in a day time-pleaded guilty as to second count-sentence, six months in penitentiary. Miles WOFFORD, breaking and entering a dwelling in daytime-pleaded gulty; sentence, 2 years in the penitentiary. William BOITRE, burglary and larceny-continued. Jefferson LIPSCOMB, selling property subject to lien without giving notice-not guilty. Bonner LITTLEJOHN, gaming-guilty; sentence, one week in jail and $20 fine, or in default of payment, one month additional in jail. Herndon LIPSCOMB and Allen ALEXANDER, burglary and larceny-not guilty. Bonner LITTLEJOHN, gaming-same sentence as imposed on him above. John KITCHENS, robbery-not guilty. free post Lisa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgB.2ACI/611.2 Message Board Post: I'm researching a Johnson ancestor that lived in Spartanburg, also. His name is Manley(or Emanuel) Johnson. He was born in 1808.

Dave, I think I will check out the book you referenced. I'm always interested in learning, and any clear-eyed, non-biased discussion of history is always welcomed. For me, it was really an eye-opener to do the research and discover how much both sides of my family (both black and white) suffered during that time period. I look at the 1860 slave schedule and I feel the pain of the slaves AND then I compare the 1870 census and feel the pain of losing thousands of dollars worth of property in just a short 10 years. I also feel compelled to find the descendents of those owned by my family and present them with what little information I can. And on the other side, I hope and pray that other descendents will do the same for my black lines. It's a very convoluted way to do research, but I think it's the clearest way to view history. We're all tied up together. The things the north did during the war were horrible. So were the things the south did during the war. The way blacks were treated during slavery by southerner slave-owners and their ilk was terrible. So was the way blacks were treated after slavery by northerner workers jealous of their jobs. Nobody is innocent, and when we start pointing fingers and calling names, nobody gains. It's certainly too bad that the slave boy set free by your ancestor did not leave a name to be passed down in family stories. It would be wonderfully fascinating to connect with his descendents. Did you, by any chance, have any WHITE family that migrated to Georgia? Tanica Campbell, IBSSG Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ CANTRELL (GA) -----Original Message----- From: David Middleton Edelen II [mailto:k98@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:12 PM To: TC; SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta Hello, I agree with everything you said. We all, all us Americans, suffered to some degree from that war, and as you said, north, south, black, white, etc., not only personally, but our various cultures, societies, etc., too. My White familiy was from Spartanburg, S.C.. My gradnmother told me an interesting family story of how split families were in their opinions and actions: My great grandfather, Rev. Wm. Henry White, at the time of the Civil War only 14 or so, had as his best friend a slave boy his own age. I don't know where the slave lad lived, whether on my g.g.grandfather's farm or on a neighbors, I don't know. But my great grandfather and this slave lad had grown up together and were best friends. Well, while his dad, my g.g.grandfather, Lt. John Warren White, was off fighting in the "Spartan Rifles", Co. "K", Palmetto SharlpShooters, S.C. Vols., the son took this slave lad to someplace that would help him go north. He did this and set him free. They hugged and cried and said goodbye to one another, and then his little slave friend, with his ragged clothes and his little bag holding his few posessions, was gone forever. My grandmother told me that her father, the one who had took his friend and set him free, wondered until his dying day what ever happened to his little slave friend and would always include him in prayer at the dinner table and elsewhere for the Lord to look after him where ever he may be. Great grandpapa lived from the 1850s when he was born until 1949, saw his father killed in the war, his homeland runover by thieves, landgrabbers, carpet baggers and scalawags, took part in a mass family and relative migration to Texas in 1866 (some, the Wyatt children, went as late as 1873), when near grown he made his way back to S.C., went to the Columbia Theological Seminary and became a Presbyterian Minister. He had a very eventful life, and for him to remember his friend in his thoughts and prayers until his dying day tells me something about his character and their friendship. I too wonder what ever happened to the little slave lad my great grandfather snuck off and set free. I too hope and pray that God and life was good to him. You mentioned things that happened to blacks, both slave and free. You should read the book, "The South Was Right". Besides all the main thing in the book that it goes into such all the legality aspects of it all, secession, what the South did, what the North did, State's Rights, Constitutional Law, Declaration of Independence, etc., etc., it also goes into what all blacks went through from the early slavery days and even into the way the North, northerners, and Union soldiers treated them. It is an interesting book. Take care, Dave Millbrook, Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: "TC" <tanica@thecampbellfamilyhome.com> To: "'David Middleton Edelen II'" <k98@bellsouth.net>; <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > Dave, a lot of horrible things happened to families during that era. My > 3rd great maternal grandmother Elizabeth McClaren was raped by a soldier > in Atlanta, and had her daughter Annie as a result. The shame of that > event kept that line a brick wall for decades. My 2nd great grandmother > Annie Cannon was forced to steal to feed her children, and was beaten so > badly by solders in Tennessee that she could not sit down. Another > ancestor (Bryson Hamilton) hid in the woods to avoid being captured and > beaten. It was a terrible time. Several children died horrible deaths; > I know there were more that died that I can't document. > > Fortunately, for those ancestors and many others, the evil invaders in > the War of Northern Aggression managed to free Elizabeth and Annie, > Bryson and Annie Cannon from the strong upstanding citizens of the south > who held them captive and profited from the destruction of their > families. I can't say I feel too sorry, even for my paternal 3rd great > grandfather who owned slaves in South Carolina and lost money and > property after the war. Having family members on both sides of the > conflict, it would be foolish for me to look back from the vantage point > of 2003 and bemoan the loss of property and money in the face of how > that property and money was gained. > > The terrors of war were felt on all sides, by whites and blacks, north > and south, soldiers and civilians, slaves and free; nobody has a > monopoly on pain. (Read Herbert Gutman's "Black Family in Slavery and > Freedom" and Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States".) > > Tanica Campbell, IBSSG > Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ > ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ > CANTRELL (GA) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Middleton Edelen II [mailto:k98@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:14 PM > To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > > Hello Judy, > Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected > people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of > starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have > people > like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The > South > Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, > communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food > supplies, > and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting > new > crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then > these families starved and many died that were not able to move and > migrate > somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of > my > family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, > Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in > that > they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very > pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon > appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, > Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in > Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, > supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the > government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a > lot. I > know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather > Berry > and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory > type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. > In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed > blind > and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's > criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, > McDowells, > Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get > away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over > the > Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my > g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and > Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then > their > homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his > wife's > parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder > what is > on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was > any > mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting > story > handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees > burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my > great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the > detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously > wounded > by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black > house > servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). > My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was > the > only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit > (U.S.). > I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he > had > a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him > after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find > some > of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out > on > Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, > who > his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with > whom on > the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last > 28 > years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to > find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to > say > the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to > where > he was born and try to find some records in the court house. > Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. > Take care, > Dave >

Hello, I agree with everything you said. We all, all us Americans, suffered to some degree from that war, and as you said, north, south, black, white, etc., not only personally, but our various cultures, societies, etc., too. My White familiy was from Spartanburg, S.C.. My gradnmother told me an interesting family story of how split families were in their opinions and actions: My great grandfather, Rev. Wm. Henry White, at the time of the Civil War only 14 or so, had as his best friend a slave boy his own age. I don't know where the slave lad lived, whether on my g.g.grandfather's farm or on a neighbors, I don't know. But my great grandfather and this slave lad had grown up together and were best friends. Well, while his dad, my g.g.grandfather, Lt. John Warren White, was off fighting in the "Spartan Rifles", Co. "K", Palmetto SharlpShooters, S.C. Vols., the son took this slave lad to someplace that would help him go north. He did this and set him free. They hugged and cried and said goodbye to one another, and then his little slave friend, with his ragged clothes and his little bag holding his few posessions, was gone forever. My grandmother told me that her father, the one who had took his friend and set him free, wondered until his dying day what ever happened to his little slave friend and would always include him in prayer at the dinner table and elsewhere for the Lord to look after him where ever he may be. Great grandpapa lived from the 1850s when he was born until 1949, saw his father killed in the war, his homeland runover by thieves, landgrabbers, carpet baggers and scalawags, took part in a mass family and relative migration to Texas in 1866 (some, the Wyatt children, went as late as 1873), when near grown he made his way back to S.C., went to the Columbia Theological Seminary and became a Presbyterian Minister. He had a very eventful life, and for him to remember his friend in his thoughts and prayers until his dying day tells me something about his character and their friendship. I too wonder what ever happened to the little slave lad my great grandfather snuck off and set free. I too hope and pray that God and life was good to him. You mentioned things that happened to blacks, both slave and free. You should read the book, "The South Was Right". Besides all the main thing in the book that it goes into such all the legality aspects of it all, secession, what the South did, what the North did, State's Rights, Constitutional Law, Declaration of Independence, etc., etc., it also goes into what all blacks went through from the early slavery days and even into the way the North, northerners, and Union soldiers treated them. It is an interesting book. Take care, Dave Millbrook, Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: "TC" <tanica@thecampbellfamilyhome.com> To: "'David Middleton Edelen II'" <k98@bellsouth.net>; <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > Dave, a lot of horrible things happened to families during that era. My > 3rd great maternal grandmother Elizabeth McClaren was raped by a soldier > in Atlanta, and had her daughter Annie as a result. The shame of that > event kept that line a brick wall for decades. My 2nd great grandmother > Annie Cannon was forced to steal to feed her children, and was beaten so > badly by solders in Tennessee that she could not sit down. Another > ancestor (Bryson Hamilton) hid in the woods to avoid being captured and > beaten. It was a terrible time. Several children died horrible deaths; > I know there were more that died that I can't document. > > Fortunately, for those ancestors and many others, the evil invaders in > the War of Northern Aggression managed to free Elizabeth and Annie, > Bryson and Annie Cannon from the strong upstanding citizens of the south > who held them captive and profited from the destruction of their > families. I can't say I feel too sorry, even for my paternal 3rd great > grandfather who owned slaves in South Carolina and lost money and > property after the war. Having family members on both sides of the > conflict, it would be foolish for me to look back from the vantage point > of 2003 and bemoan the loss of property and money in the face of how > that property and money was gained. > > The terrors of war were felt on all sides, by whites and blacks, north > and south, soldiers and civilians, slaves and free; nobody has a > monopoly on pain. (Read Herbert Gutman's "Black Family in Slavery and > Freedom" and Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States".) > > Tanica Campbell, IBSSG > Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ > ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ > CANTRELL (GA) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Middleton Edelen II [mailto:k98@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:14 PM > To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > > Hello Judy, > Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected > people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of > starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have > people > like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The > South > Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, > communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food > supplies, > and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting > new > crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then > these families starved and many died that were not able to move and > migrate > somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of > my > family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, > Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in > that > they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very > pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon > appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, > Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in > Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, > supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the > government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a > lot. I > know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather > Berry > and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory > type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. > In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed > blind > and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's > criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, > McDowells, > Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get > away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over > the > Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my > g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and > Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then > their > homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his > wife's > parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder > what is > on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was > any > mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting > story > handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees > burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my > great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the > detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously > wounded > by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black > house > servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). > My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was > the > only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit > (U.S.). > I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he > had > a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him > after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find > some > of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out > on > Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, > who > his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with > whom on > the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last > 28 > years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to > find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to > say > the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to > where > he was born and try to find some records in the court house. > Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. > Take care, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@bellsouth.net> > To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:44 AM > Subject: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > > > > David, > > I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website > > connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg > > of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the > > regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your > ancestors. > > My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own > > life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. > Before, > > he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. > So > sad. > > Judy Curtis Jackson > > NC > > > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We > practice > the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice > the Golden Rule here. 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Dave, a lot of horrible things happened to families during that era. My 3rd great maternal grandmother Elizabeth McClaren was raped by a soldier in Atlanta, and had her daughter Annie as a result. The shame of that event kept that line a brick wall for decades. My 2nd great grandmother Annie Cannon was forced to steal to feed her children, and was beaten so badly by solders in Tennessee that she could not sit down. Another ancestor (Bryson Hamilton) hid in the woods to avoid being captured and beaten. It was a terrible time. Several children died horrible deaths; I know there were more that died that I can't document. Fortunately, for those ancestors and many others, the evil invaders in the War of Northern Aggression managed to free Elizabeth and Annie, Bryson and Annie Cannon from the strong upstanding citizens of the south who held them captive and profited from the destruction of their families. I can't say I feel too sorry, even for my paternal 3rd great grandfather who owned slaves in South Carolina and lost money and property after the war. Having family members on both sides of the conflict, it would be foolish for me to look back from the vantage point of 2003 and bemoan the loss of property and money in the face of how that property and money was gained. The terrors of war were felt on all sides, by whites and blacks, north and south, soldiers and civilians, slaves and free; nobody has a monopoly on pain. (Read Herbert Gutman's "Black Family in Slavery and Freedom" and Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States".) Tanica Campbell, IBSSG Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ CANTRELL (GA) -----Original Message----- From: David Middleton Edelen II [mailto:k98@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:14 PM To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta Hello Judy, Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have people like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The South Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food supplies, and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting new crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then these families starved and many died that were not able to move and migrate somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of my family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in that they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a lot. I know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather Berry and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed blind and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, McDowells, Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over the Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then their homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his wife's parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder what is on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was any mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting story handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously wounded by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black house servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was the only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit (U.S.). I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he had a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find some of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out on Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, who his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with whom on the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last 28 years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to say the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to where he was born and try to find some records in the court house. Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. Take care, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@bellsouth.net> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > David, > I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website > connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg > of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the > regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your ancestors. > My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own > life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. Before, > he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. So sad. > Judy Curtis Jackson > NC > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Judy, Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have people like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The South Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food supplies, and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting new crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then these families starved and many died that were not able to move and migrate somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of my family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in that they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a lot. I know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather Berry and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed blind and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, McDowells, Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over the Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then their homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his wife's parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder what is on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was any mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting story handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously wounded by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black house servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was the only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit (U.S.). I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he had a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find some of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out on Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, who his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with whom on the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last 28 years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to say the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to where he was born and try to find some records in the court house. Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. Take care, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@bellsouth.net> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > David, > I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website > connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg > of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the > regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your ancestors. > My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own > life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. Before, > he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. So sad. > Judy Curtis Jackson > NC > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

David, I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your ancestors. My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. Before, he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. So sad. Judy Curtis Jackson NC