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Sorry for the redundancy to the lists, but FYI for you Saluda, Edgefield, Newberry, Greenwood researchers... I just learned from a message that << my mother and I visited Maysons Memorial Cemetary in November of this year (1999) and they now have a sign up with that name. My mother has always known it as Good Hope Baptist, the church is across the street from the cemetary.>> Does this mean that just the part across the street is now MMC, or is the whole church cemetary now MMC? Makes sense, in that it is a Maysons Crossroads, but I'd love clarification on which part or both! Thanks, Bonnie Butler

First a little repeat: <<<<<Delores: On the same census, I see a possible relation (or perhaps Richard with his first wife?) to your: 1. SARAH ANN1 THORNTON was born 06 Jan 1818, and died 01 Feb 1903. She married (1) RICHARD GARRETT. She married (2) JOHN MENTON BROWN about 1847. Line 20; Page 225 1830 Edgefield Richard GARRETT Males under 5: 1 Males 30-40: 1 Females under 5: 1 Females 20-30: 1 >>>>>> In looking at what I wrote down for the 1840 Edgefield census, I see no Richard (unless Robert is a mistake by the census taker or the neighbor who might have givven the data) Garrett, but I see a possibility for Sarah Garrett. It does not make sense with her age that she would be called the Head of Household, but if she was Richard's widow by then, that might make sense. I guess stranger things have happened. (I have not completed my search of 1860 Edgefield to be able to trace her; she would have married her 2nd husband by then anyway.) I want to explain how I arrived at the page numbers: for example 90/39 -- with 90 being the number stamped on the page and 39 being the one written it; it would have been the 39th page for Edgefield District, as the same book had another county recoded ahead of it. Bonnie 94/43 Sarah Garrett 1M30-40 1F<5 2F5-10 1F10-15 1F20-30 2F30-40 1 Slave Other GARRETTs 92/41 Robert 1M5-10 2M20-30 1M40-50 1F<5 1F20-30 37 Slaves 2 residences in a row: 77/26 Elizabeth 1M,5 2M30-40 2F5-10 1F20-30 1F70-80 8 Slaves 77/26 Elizabeth T. 2M20-30 1F15-20 1F60-70 4 Slaves

I spent the day at the Archives and searched 1820-1840 Edgefield pretty throrougly for RIVERS & GARRETT. For my: James Robert RIVERS (b: Mar 11, 1835 Columbia, Richland Co., Lexington Co., or Edgefield Co., SC d: Aug 25, 1912 _, Newberry, SC Burial: Rosemont Cem, Newberry, SC) I did find a possible RIVERS family in 1830 Edgefield. The birthplaces listed above for James Robert RIVERS are based on census data, except for the Edgefield location, which comes from his CSA enlistment papes [might this be the most accurate one??] Line 5, Page 210 1830 Edgefield Thomas RIVERS Males under 5: 1 Males 30-40: 1 Females under 5: 1 Females 5-10: 1 Females 20-30: 1 Slaves: 1 Delores: On the same census, I see a possible relation (or perhaps Richard with his first wife?) to your: 1. SARAH ANN1 THORNTON was born 06 Jan 1818, and died 01 Feb 1903. She married (1) RICHARD GARRETT. She married (2) JOHN MENTON BROWN about 1847. Line 20; Page 225 1830 Edgefield Richard GARRETT Males under 5: 1 Males 30-40: 1 Females under 5: 1 Females 20-30: 1 Other GARRETTs in 1830 Edgefield were: L6, P 141 Elizabeth M10-15:1 M20-30: 1 F40-50: 1 Slaves: 20 L9, P 141 Catlet M20-30: 1 M70-80: 1 F70-70: 1 Slaves 41 L15, P141 William M50-60: 1 Slaves: 79 L20, P141 Henry M<5: 1 M30-40: 1 F<5: 4 F5-10: 1 F10-15: 1 F20-30: 1 Slaves: 6 L21, P 145 William M<5: 1 M5-10: 1 M30-40: 1 F<5: 1 F5-10: 1 F10-15: 1 F20-30: 1 Hope this helps, Bonnie

According to Reville's Edgefield County SC Records: 1786: Jones Rivers on Edgefield Co Jury list. 1788: John Rivers on Edgefield Co Jury list. April 1790: Jones and Mary Rivers executors of Robert Garrett, deceased. July 1790: John Rivers Will was proven. It was written in 1779 and said wife might be pregnant. So quite possibly they had other children i n the eleven years which elapsed before his death. I suppose because Jones Rivers is an heir, recording was necessary in Edgefield. March 1795: Inventory of Jones Rivers estate returned in court minutes. Nov 1802: Mary Rivers wrote Will. 1802: Estate sale. Nov 1811: administration granted to William Garrett. > According to a different source, Mary's second husband was Jones RIVERS. This > source lists the GARRETT men above as her sons in the abstract, which seems > to differ from what the LWT above reads. > By the above paragraph do you mean...you aren't certain the others named in Mary's Will are her children? I don't think it specifically says so but it appears that they are. By the way, Charles Hammond's wife was named Mary (Polly). Hope this helps Delores Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: <SkyVine@aol.com> To: <SCSALUDA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:34 AM Subject: RIVERS - GARRETT > Might anyone recognize these families below in these Edgefield (so possibly > modern Saluda or Newberry, too) wills? > I am trying to find the parentage of James Robert RIVERS (b: Mar 11, 1835 > Columbia, Richland Co., Lexington Co., or Edgefield Co., SC d: Aug 25, 1912 > _, Newberry, SC Burial: Rosemont Cem, Newberry, SC) who m. Sybil Elizabeth > "Sibbie" FIKES (b: Mar 18, 1843 _, Lexington, SC d: Jun 18, 1916 Columbia, > Richland, SC Burial: Rosemont Cem, Newberry, SC Father: David FIKES > Mother: Mary CROUT), and am pursuing all RIVERS leads. > Thanks, > Bonnie Butler > =========== > Descendants of __ Rivers > > 1 __ RIVERS > ....... 2 John RIVERS d: Bet. May 20, 1779 - Jul 1790 > ........... +_ _ d: Aft. May 20, 1779 > ................ 3 child RIVERS b: Bef. May 20, 1779 > ................ 3 child RIVERS b: Bef. May 20, 1779 > ................ 3 child RIVERS b: Bef. May 20, 1779 > ....... 2 Lucy RIVERS d: Aft. May 20, 1779 > ....... 2 Jones RIVERS d: Aft. May 20, 1779 > > Edgefield County, S.C., Wills 1787-1836 p. 7 > p.18..20 May 1779.. I, John RIVERS of Mecklenburg County being of sound mind > & memory. I lend to my loving wife all my household furniture anf four horses > & gear, two cows & calves and one negro woman named Betty and one negro boy > names George as long as she remains a widow, if she should marry then she to > have a child part or her third and should the negro woman have more chn. they > are to be held by my estate to be sold and the money let out in Georgia to > the best advantage, then to be divided among my three chn. I give to my > loving sister Lucy brother Jones Rivers and my friend Robert Thomson as > executor Wit: Robert Thomson, David X Thomson and Elizabeth X Thomson.. > Signed John Rivers.. Proved in open court by the oath of David Thomson july > tern 1790 & ordered to be recorded. > ============== > Edgefield County, S.C., Wills 1787-1836, p. 45 > p. 173.29 Nov.1802.. I, Mary RIVERS, being of sound mind & memory but weak in > body. First I give to my dtr. Lucy Garrett one feather bed & furniture & my > mahogany table & slab. I give to my son John Rivers one feather bed & > furniture & my Mahogany desk also one bay colt a year old last spring. I give > my son Thomas Garrett the tract of land purchased of William King. I will & > desire that the rest of my estate,after paying my just debts be divided > amongst William Garrett, Stephen Garrett, Thomas Garrett, Abraham M. Wade, > Charles Hammond, Lucy Garrett & John Rivers. I appoint Thomas Garrett my > executor. Wit; Benjamin Barrett, Mary Eddis Hammond & Mary X Wright.. Signed > Mary X Rivers.. Proved by the oath of Benjamin Barrett 6 Dec. 1802. > > According to a different source, Mary's second husband was Jones RIVERS. This > source lists the GARRETT men above as her sons in the abstract, which seems > to differ from what the LWT above reads. > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >

Sarah Ann Thornton is my gg....gm from her marriage to John Menton Brown. Previously she had been married to Richard Garrett. These Thorntons, Garretts, and Browns had some connection to either old Edgefield and/or Abbeville County prior to their move to Wilkes County GA. Rumors suggest they moved freely back and forth across the Savannah River. And perhaps they had some interest in gold mining. I don't see a Richard Garrett in the information Bonnie posted but thought I'd add mine in case others have something on any of these family members. Delores Thompson 1. SARAH ANN1 THORNTON was born 06 Jan 1818, and died 01 Feb 1903. She married (1) RICHARD GARRETT. She married (2) JOHN MENTON BROWN about 1847. Children of SARAH THORNTON and RICHARD GARRETT are: i. TOM M.2 GARRETT, b. 18 Oct 1836, GA. ii. WILLIAM B. GARRETT, b. 29 Sep 1838; d. 06 May 1863. iii. CARRIE ANN GARRETT, b. 02 May 1840. iv. JIM V. GARRETT, b. 15 Jan 1841. v. CAROLINE GARRETT, b. about 1842. vi. CATHERINE GARRETT, b. 02 Aug 1842, GA Children of SARAH THORNTON and JOHN BROWN are: vii. JANE L.2 BROWN, b. 14 Jan 1848. viii. MARION R. BROWN, b. 29 Dec 1848; d. buried Rest Haven Cemetery, Washington (Wilkes) GA. ix. ROBERT N. TOOMBS BROWN, b. 28 Jul 1851; d. 04 Dec 1861. x. MARY SUSAN BROWN, b. 22 May 1853, Wilkes Co GA; d. 30 Aug 1930, buried Center Church, Toombs Co GA (no marker)1; m. WILLIS BECKWORTH, 01 Jan 1872, Taliaferro Co GA. xi. SUSAN A. BROWN, b. 16 Jan 1854; d. 10 Oct 1876, Taliaferro Co GA. xii. FRANCES NEWTON FILMORE BROWN, b. 21 Mar 1856, McCormick (McCormick) SC; d. 06 Dec 1940, Washington (Wilkes) GA.

Might anyone recognize these families below in these Edgefield (so possibly modern Saluda or Newberry, too) wills? I am trying to find the parentage of James Robert RIVERS (b: Mar 11, 1835 Columbia, Richland Co., Lexington Co., or Edgefield Co., SC d: Aug 25, 1912 _, Newberry, SC Burial: Rosemont Cem, Newberry, SC) who m. Sybil Elizabeth "Sibbie" FIKES (b: Mar 18, 1843 _, Lexington, SC d: Jun 18, 1916 Columbia, Richland, SC Burial: Rosemont Cem, Newberry, SC Father: David FIKES Mother: Mary CROUT), and am pursuing all RIVERS leads. Thanks, Bonnie Butler =========== Descendants of __ Rivers 1 __ RIVERS ....... 2 John RIVERS d: Bet. May 20, 1779 - Jul 1790 ........... +_ _ d: Aft. May 20, 1779 ................ 3 child RIVERS b: Bef. May 20, 1779 ................ 3 child RIVERS b: Bef. May 20, 1779 ................ 3 child RIVERS b: Bef. May 20, 1779 ....... 2 Lucy RIVERS d: Aft. May 20, 1779 ....... 2 Jones RIVERS d: Aft. May 20, 1779 Edgefield County, S.C., Wills 1787-1836 p. 7 p.18..20 May 1779.. I, John RIVERS of Mecklenburg County being of sound mind & memory. I lend to my loving wife all my household furniture anf four horses & gear, two cows & calves and one negro woman named Betty and one negro boy names George as long as she remains a widow, if she should marry then she to have a child part or her third and should the negro woman have more chn. they are to be held by my estate to be sold and the money let out in Georgia to the best advantage, then to be divided among my three chn. I give to my loving sister Lucy brother Jones Rivers and my friend Robert Thomson as executor Wit: Robert Thomson, David X Thomson and Elizabeth X Thomson.. Signed John Rivers.. Proved in open court by the oath of David Thomson july tern 1790 & ordered to be recorded. ============== Edgefield County, S.C., Wills 1787-1836, p. 45 p. 173.29 Nov.1802.. I, Mary RIVERS, being of sound mind & memory but weak in body. First I give to my dtr. Lucy Garrett one feather bed & furniture & my mahogany table & slab. I give to my son John Rivers one feather bed & furniture & my Mahogany desk also one bay colt a year old last spring. I give my son Thomas Garrett the tract of land purchased of William King. I will & desire that the rest of my estate,after paying my just debts be divided amongst William Garrett, Stephen Garrett, Thomas Garrett, Abraham M. Wade, Charles Hammond, Lucy Garrett & John Rivers. I appoint Thomas Garrett my executor. Wit; Benjamin Barrett, Mary Eddis Hammond & Mary X Wright.. Signed Mary X Rivers.. Proved by the oath of Benjamin Barrett 6 Dec. 1802. According to a different source, Mary's second husband was Jones RIVERS. This source lists the GARRETT men above as her sons in the abstract, which seems to differ from what the LWT above reads.

In a message dated 11/08/1999 7:45:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCSALUDA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Among the heirs of Catherine Butler whose real estate was sold in 1838 in Edgefield >> I thought I would add that Catherine's husband was Daniel Butler; I learned last evening via the LDS site that she was a Johnson, but I do not have her placed yet in the Johnson family. Bonnie

I believe there are two cemetery books -- an older one and a newer one. I don't have a copy of either. Delores Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: <SkyVine@aol.com> To: <SCSALUDA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:16 PM Subject: Good Hope Bapt Church > Does anyone know if there is a history / cemetary listing done for Good Hope > Bapt Church in Saluda, right near the Greenwood line? > Many of my husband's BUTLER & LEOPARD kin are buried there. > Also, is there a listing done for the BUTLER Cemetary in Saluda? > Thanks, > Bonnie Butler > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >

Bonnie: Among the heirs of Catherine Butler whose real estate was sold in 1838 in Edgefield were John Barnett (or Burnett) and wife Rhoda; Nancy Waites and twelve others. So you can see the families WERE allied in Old Edgefield County. Delores Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: <SkyVine@aol.com> To: <SCSALUDA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:07 PM Subject: BUTLER, GOGGANS, LEOPARD, WAITS, BURNETT, & WEAVER > Is anyone else working on the BUTLER, GOGGANS, LEOPARD, WAITS, BURNETT, & > WEAVER families in Saluda, Edgefield, or Newberry? > My husband's BUTLERs (other surnames above mostly of ladies marrying in) were > in Saluda, so I was concentrating on finding them in Edgefield records. > However, I am hitting dead ends and wonder if instead they were from > Newberry's Benjamin BUTLER. Bemnjamin had a grandson (through son Elihu and > his wife, Hester "Hettie") named Myers. Would anyone know what became of > Myers BUTLER? > > Would anyone have a BUTLER, GOGGANS, LEOPARD, WAITS, BURNETT, or WEAVER > gedcom or other data they'd share? I'd be happy to share what I have, > confusing as it is to me. > I'd used other researchers data as a basis for my BUTLERs, but have ordered > many death certificates, etc of late, and it is not adding up. I'd thought > Henry, Mier, and Millie were siblings, but via the GOGGINS book, I find Henry > is a Jr. Via the death certificate of Millie, I find her parents were William > BUTLER & _ WEAVER. I'd only had their parents as _ Butler b.1794 & Ann _ b. > 1796. > Thanks in advance for any help, > Bonnie Butler > > > ============================== > RootsWeb.com now offers UNLIMITED Web space for FREE! > Sign up today for RootsWeb's Freepages program: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

<< Among the heirs of Catherine Butler whose real estate was sold in 1838 in Edgefield were John Barnett (or Burnett) and wife Rhoda; Nancy Waites and twelve others. So you can see the families WERE allied in Old Edgefield County. Delores Thompson >> Yes, but I can not tie those with mine, except the son of John Burnett & Rhoda Butler, Hezekiah, m. Millie Butler of my last post -- Millie was the d/o William Butler and _ Weaver, per Millie's death certificate. I'd had her as the sister of Henry (m. Betsie Goggans) and Mier (m. Lucinda _ ) Butler, lately finding that Henry was perhaps a Jr, hence, not s/o William. Henry's son, Pinkney (perhaps James Pinckney) Butler m1. a Rhoda S. Waits and m2. a Nancy "Nannie" Waits, but I can not find them in any Waits family data. So I do know all these families were all there, I have researched them extensively, but I have not found how they relate. I have learned with a message about the Goggans family book by Eve, that 4 Goggins brothers moved from VA to SC in 1766. Three of them settled in the Newberry area and one, George, went to Edgefield. I'm sure they visited and intermarried with each other and their neighbors. George's wife was a Butler from VA, married in Culpeper. George's great granddaughter, Betsie, married Henry Butler, above. So I am thinking these families travelled together for a while. [I tend to use Goggins and Goggans interchangeably -- sorry.] I don't know where Henry or Betsie Goggans Butler are buried, but their son, Pinkney, and much of his family is buried at Butler Cem in Saluda. One of Henry's sons is bur. at Chestnut Bapt in Saluda. Similarly, I do not know where Henry's brother, Mier, or his wife Lucinda might be buried, but his children and their families tended to be buried at Good Hope Bapt. Maybe with cemetary reords, I could figure out if Mier, Henry & Millie were siblings and who their parents really were. Bonnie Butler

Does anyone know if there is a history / cemetary listing done for Good Hope Bapt Church in Saluda, right near the Greenwood line? Many of my husband's BUTLER & LEOPARD kin are buried there. Also, is there a listing done for the BUTLER Cemetary in Saluda? Thanks, Bonnie Butler

Is anyone else working on the BUTLER, GOGGANS, LEOPARD, WAITS, BURNETT, & WEAVER families in Saluda, Edgefield, or Newberry? My husband's BUTLERs (other surnames above mostly of ladies marrying in) were in Saluda, so I was concentrating on finding them in Edgefield records. However, I am hitting dead ends and wonder if instead they were from Newberry's Benjamin BUTLER. Bemnjamin had a grandson (through son Elihu and his wife, Hester "Hettie") named Myers. Would anyone know what became of Myers BUTLER? Would anyone have a BUTLER, GOGGANS, LEOPARD, WAITS, BURNETT, or WEAVER gedcom or other data they'd share? I'd be happy to share what I have, confusing as it is to me. I'd used other researchers data as a basis for my BUTLERs, but have ordered many death certificates, etc of late, and it is not adding up. I'd thought Henry, Mier, and Millie were siblings, but via the GOGGINS book, I find Henry is a Jr. Via the death certificate of Millie, I find her parents were William BUTLER & _ WEAVER. I'd only had their parents as _ Butler b.1794 & Ann _ b. 1796. Thanks in advance for any help, Bonnie Butler

I have rejoined the lists after being off for sometime. Still trying to sort all the variations of Cates/Cate/Cato/Kates/Coats/Coates and other spellings in early South Carolina and determine which were the same families and which were not. Has anyone identified and/or placed a THOMAS CATES who appears to have been a Justice of the Peace in colonial South Carolina somewhere probably south west of present day Columbia about 1764? In over 30 years of research we have only traced my husband's line back to a THOMAS CATES who died in Edgefield District, South Carolina prior to April, 1794. His line of Cates lived in the Saluda County area around Cloud's Creek and the Dry Creek Meeting House and moved to Alabama before 1830. From published Colonial Deed Abstracts page 22: Book K-3, p. 158 22 & 23 July. 1764 L & R (Seems to be several variations in the lease and release deeds which follow each other in the abstracts. The earlier instrument seems to have been recorded last and contains the following statement "Before Thomas Cates, J. P. on 30 July 1764." Seller is Jacob (German Script) Taylor, planter and Magdelene, his wife of Saxegotha Township to Cornelius Brown Other deed is Book K-3, page 153 4 & 5 Aug. 1767 L & R But is recorded first. Seller is identified as Jacob (German Script) Brigales of Charleston, to Cornelius Brown, tailor of the Congaree. Selling price and acreage are different in both instruments. Land description is different but seems to be in a general area along Santee River below Saxegotha Township and between Amelia & Saxegotha, one above mouth of Beaver Creek in Berkeley Co. Any additional information or assistance in sorting out these people would be appreciated. Vivian Toole Cates, Rt. #2 Box 52-A, Alto, Texas 75925 vcates@ballistic http://www.ballistic.com/~vcates

I am interested in all descendemts of William RODGERS who died near Ward in 1846. Also PARRISH and RICHARDSON. Thanks, Delores Thompson

Deb: I'm not working on the Crain's and you didn't mention what time period they were in the Saluda/Edgefield area. But Jane Revill's book of Edgefield County Records mentions a sale of the real estate of Ambrose Crain on the first Monday in May 1828. Widow Ann Crain received one-third ($15) and the remaining 2/3rds was split by Elizabeth Crain and George A. Crain. David Crain was administrator. Another sale was mentioned with the same heirs but no amounts. Also mentioned is Vary Crane was the daughter of Benjamin Lindsey according to his Will of 1841 and the wife of David Crane. Vary Crane was the sister of William Lindsey according to his Will of 1827. Perhaps this will help you in some way. Delores Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: <DCrain6568@aol.com> To: <SCSALUDA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: Crane/Crain > my line is: > Charles>Pleasant>Nelson>William Franklin>William Nelson(my grandfather). > have traced them from SC>TN>MO. > is anyone researching this line? > could this line be related to Jasper Crane of CT/NJ? > thanks > deb > > > ============================== > FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! > Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account today: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

my line is: Charles>Pleasant>Nelson>William Franklin>William Nelson(my grandfather). have traced them from SC>TN>MO. is anyone researching this line? could this line be related to Jasper Crane of CT/NJ? thanks deb

I understand that there is a reunion this weekend in the Saluda area for descendants of Dr. Jacob TROTTER. Would anyone happen to know a "contact" person? Thanks for your help! Betty in Texas

I am looking for directions to the Lotts Cemetery. I will be coming from N. Augusta, SC. I know it is in Saluda County and the Lotts lived all over that area when it was Edgefield County. Anyone who is researching the Lott family or who can give me direction to the Lotts Cemetery, please help!! Thank you. Beth N. Augusta, SC