How do you feel about rootsweb, and why do I keep gettimg offers for a 14 day trial. So this means if they have incorrect info., on my family, I'd never know it with out paying for there service. I hope rootsweb, stays the same old rootsweb, that I founf back in 2000, met several cousins in person and every one is so helpful to me with out a price tag, but I was off line for several years due to chemo and lost my wonderful Gateway computer, piece of Crap broke down with in two years, any way lost all my old address and can't get the people who use to be on rootsweb to respond, which makes me wonder if they have gone to another site. I thought Ancentry was the only other site out there and came across another site, started with a H, with a 7 day trial. I need to get updated on whats going on and where some of my distance cousins have gone to??? Sincerely Kathy in Oregon Surnames:Runyon, Rippon, Hamilton, Thornton, Amick, Redmond, Bloom, Dye, Vogan, Waddell, Dye, And many more.... maltt@juno.com wrote: >Oh, on occasions Ancestry.com from the correct, as I submitted it, to the >incorrect. My cousin, his third wife, was completely omitted. In her >stead was the wife of another man, the woman having been dead for many >years and laid to rest in GA. Her true husband had died ca 1854 at Black >Hawk, Carroll County, MS. > >Of course, I haven't accomplished too much but I stay on Ancestry.com's >case about the many errors they are publishing for the truth. If this >isn't changed, our descendants are going to have a harder time than we in >tracing their trees due to the privacy laws that many states are >implementing. Alabama is one that requires that a man or woman be >deceased for 125 years, beginning with their birth year, before birth and >death certificates may be issued to anyone outside of the immediate >family or to an attorney who is acting on their behalf. > >Because of this, I think it's time for many people to complain, even go >so far as to boycott their site until some corrections are made. It's my >personal opinion that they should require documentation for a person >before posting his/her data. > >Speaking of old, out of date e-mail addresses, it has reached the point >on a number of families that I can identify the submitter without seeing >his or her name. And, if you should send a message to the one who posted >the incorrect data, they never receive it. Ancentry.com simply says that >their transmission isn't working at that time. I have also requested that >a copy of each message I have attempted to send to be sent to me. To >date, I haven't received a single one. > >Other sites are not much better. Check at the bottom of the page and you >will discover that the "different" site is being supported by >Ancestry.com. This gives them the right to go into the other sites to >collect whatever data the other might have in order to add it to their >own. I haven't really found an independent site that isn't in >co-operation with Ancestry.com. > >With them my name is MUD and I am frequently denied access to data that I >have previously seen and know it is there; however, their report to me is >that they have nothing for that family. > >Try some of my tactics to see what your results will be. > >mbm > > >==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== >SCRoots Forum >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~scroots/ > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Oh, on occasions Ancestry.com from the correct, as I submitted it, to the incorrect. My cousin, his third wife, was completely omitted. In her stead was the wife of another man, the woman having been dead for many years and laid to rest in GA. Her true husband had died ca 1854 at Black Hawk, Carroll County, MS. Of course, I haven't accomplished too much but I stay on Ancestry.com's case about the many errors they are publishing for the truth. If this isn't changed, our descendants are going to have a harder time than we in tracing their trees due to the privacy laws that many states are implementing. Alabama is one that requires that a man or woman be deceased for 125 years, beginning with their birth year, before birth and death certificates may be issued to anyone outside of the immediate family or to an attorney who is acting on their behalf. Because of this, I think it's time for many people to complain, even go so far as to boycott their site until some corrections are made. It's my personal opinion that they should require documentation for a person before posting his/her data. Speaking of old, out of date e-mail addresses, it has reached the point on a number of families that I can identify the submitter without seeing his or her name. And, if you should send a message to the one who posted the incorrect data, they never receive it. Ancentry.com simply says that their transmission isn't working at that time. I have also requested that a copy of each message I have attempted to send to be sent to me. To date, I haven't received a single one. Other sites are not much better. Check at the bottom of the page and you will discover that the "different" site is being supported by Ancestry.com. This gives them the right to go into the other sites to collect whatever data the other might have in order to add it to their own. I haven't really found an independent site that isn't in co-operation with Ancestry.com. With them my name is MUD and I am frequently denied access to data that I have previously seen and know it is there; however, their report to me is that they have nothing for that family. Try some of my tactics to see what your results will be. mbm

In a message dated 11/12/2005 12:48:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrussell2@charter.net writes: also I learned the hard way NEVER to share info about living individuals in your family. This info, too, can end up online when incorporated by others into their databases. In these days of identity theft, it can be all too easy to find someone and then find their Mother's Maiden Name, which is often used as code word in banks, etc. I can't imagine anyone being so rude as to do such a thing. That's as bad or worse than posting copyrighted material on the internet.

Dear Bonnie, What 1) surname do you want to have DNA done and for 2) what purpose? What ever you do the only way to trace ancestors via DNA, at least the easiest, is by using the Y-DNA transmitted from father to son to grandson, etc., etc, forever. So you seek out males with the surname you want to determine their ancestors. There are some things you can do with mtDNA for women but that is an entirely different approach. You can basically trace back to the mother of descendants if she has two daughters by tracing their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughter, etc. What am I telling you? It is a "V" shaped pattern that zigs and zags as each successive daughter marries into a different family surname. So you really end up tracing from the mother down to two living people who descend through successive daughters of each daughter, etc by following their married names which changes each generation. Not easy to do. Trace Your Roots with DNA: Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=Xy6YrycBnV&isbn=1594860068&itm=1> Megan Smolenyak, Ann Turner This is a nice little book that is simple to understand and helps you understand DNA. It has some real life stories which are quite dramatic and authentic. It is available for $14.00 + tax at Barnes and Noble. Much easier than reading the Genetic Web sites as it address genetics as it is used for genealogical purposes. Send me an e-mail on anything you want to know. I don't have all the answers but can give some directions. If you have a Hendrix, Hendrick, Hendricks, Hendrickson male descendant let me know. I'll send you our invitation to join the Hendricks(on) DNA Project. If you want to start another surname project I would first check the FTDNA project site (http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.aspand<http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.aspand> ) and see if the surname is being searched via a project such as ours. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> ----- Original Message ----- From: BMarsh2780@aol.com<mailto:BMarsh2780@aol.com> To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library Herb: Your chart was most impressive! How would I go about doing the same thing? My entire family participated with the LDS church when they were doing DNA testing and I was intrigued then. After seeing your results, I am even more anxious to participate in this testing. Any suggestions or direction you can give would be greatly appreciated. Bonnie Marsh Tampa, Florida ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== Subscription instructions are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS> ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429>

also I learned the hard way NEVER to share info about living individuals in your family. This info, too, can end up online when incorporated by others into their databases. In these days of identity theft, it can be all too easy to find someone and then find their Mother's Maiden Name, which is often used as code word in banks, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan" <susieqk@cox.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [SC] Getting Ancestry.Com to change the info!! >I agree. Someone copied some of my research and then reposted the data >INCORRECTLY, with dates and notes transposed between individuals. I gladly >share my info with anyone that asks but am very angry that someone had the >nerve to post my information to a service that charges for MY research. > > --Susan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "thehornguy" <thehornguy@bellsouth.net> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:25 PM > Subject: [SC] Getting Ancestry.Com to change the info!! > > >> >> >> Hello, all. >> >> In six years, I have not ever heard of them changing anything in their >> data-base, because of a request from a 'user'!! The origin of those >> data-bases are the readers from earlier years, who put up 'stuff' as they >> found it, any where, and every where!! >> >> Since Ancestry has a disclaimer to the effect that you would want to get >> in touch with the source of the data you want to change, they see no >> reason >> to 'be bothered' about it, at all!! >> And, since most of the e-mail addresses are obsolete in the reference >> areas of the data-bases, they really do not see any reason to be >> concerned!! >> >> What you see is what you get!! >> And even if you see it, beware!! >> It might be a correct entry, but no one guarantees that to you!! >> >> CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!! >> >> Hope this explains it well!! Joe DUKE >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@msn.com> >> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library >> >> >> > Dear Phyllis, >> > >> > You are absolutely correct. >> > >> > In SC you have to be very careful when you use Ancestry.com Census >> records. You need to do a line by line scan. Their search engine has left >> out people, given them the wrong first names and put people in the wrong >> locations. I can site you chapter and verse I have communicated to >> Ancestry.com but they don't change anything. >> > >> > God Bless. >> > Herb Hendricks >> > Retired NASA Physicist >> > Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator >> > Secretary Hendricks Family Association >> > Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> >> > 1210 Long Meadow DR >> > Lynchburg, VA 24502 >> > 434 832 7246 >> > Major/Smith/Hendricks >> > >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Phyllis Horry<mailto:wwhorry@islc.net> >> > To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:50 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library >> > >> > >> > I totally agree - I have found inaccuracies in my family on this >> site >> simply >> > because someone failed to properly document/authenticate information >> before >> > "sharing" it with the world. Just because it is found here (on the >> > Internet) does not mean that it is accurate. >> > >> > Even transcriptions of census records can be suspect due to >> misinterpreting >> > the handwriting of the census takers. Actually this applies to all >> > handwritten documents. >> > >> > Phyllis >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Carolyn Cooper" >> <caroljcoop@everestkc.net<mailto:caroljcoop@everestkc.net>> >> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library >> > >> > >> > While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family >> histories for >> > accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. >> The >> best >> > way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on >> what >> > others have done. >> > >> > Carolyn Cooper >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net<mailto:peaches@strato.net>> >> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM >> > Subject: [SC] LDS Family History Library >> > >> > >> > > fyi... >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "A. S. Balch" >> > > To: >> <ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:59 AM >> > > >> > > >> > > The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the >> > > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of >> the >> > > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have >> been >> > > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are >> > > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. >> > > >> > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, >> > > http://www.lib.byu.edu/<http://www.lib.byu.edu/> >> > > >> > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: >> > > >> > > "Find Other Materials" >> > > "Electronic" >> > > "On Line Collections at BYU" >> > > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" >> > > And, finally, "Family History Archive" >> > > >> > > Adrian >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== >> > > The SC Room: >> http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> > > New content added every business day. 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I agree. Someone copied some of my research and then reposted the data INCORRECTLY, with dates and notes transposed between individuals. I gladly share my info with anyone that asks but am very angry that someone had the nerve to post my information to a service that charges for MY research. --Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "thehornguy" <thehornguy@bellsouth.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: [SC] Getting Ancestry.Com to change the info!! > > > Hello, all. > > In six years, I have not ever heard of them changing anything in their > data-base, because of a request from a 'user'!! The origin of those > data-bases are the readers from earlier years, who put up 'stuff' as they > found it, any where, and every where!! > > Since Ancestry has a disclaimer to the effect that you would want to get > in touch with the source of the data you want to change, they see no > reason > to 'be bothered' about it, at all!! > And, since most of the e-mail addresses are obsolete in the reference > areas of the data-bases, they really do not see any reason to be > concerned!! > > What you see is what you get!! > And even if you see it, beware!! > It might be a correct entry, but no one guarantees that to you!! > > CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!! > > Hope this explains it well!! Joe DUKE > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@msn.com> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > > Dear Phyllis, > > > > You are absolutely correct. > > > > In SC you have to be very careful when you use Ancestry.com Census > records. You need to do a line by line scan. Their search engine has left > out people, given them the wrong first names and put people in the wrong > locations. I can site you chapter and verse I have communicated to > Ancestry.com but they don't change anything. > > > > God Bless. > > Herb Hendricks > > Retired NASA Physicist > > Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator > > Secretary Hendricks Family Association > > Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> > > 1210 Long Meadow DR > > Lynchburg, VA 24502 > > 434 832 7246 > > Major/Smith/Hendricks > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Phyllis Horry<mailto:wwhorry@islc.net> > > To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > > > > I totally agree - I have found inaccuracies in my family on this site > simply > > because someone failed to properly document/authenticate information > before > > "sharing" it with the world. Just because it is found here (on the > > Internet) does not mean that it is accurate. > > > > Even transcriptions of census records can be suspect due to > misinterpreting > > the handwriting of the census takers. Actually this applies to all > > handwritten documents. > > > > Phyllis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn Cooper" > <caroljcoop@everestkc.net<mailto:caroljcoop@everestkc.net>> > > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > > > > While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family > histories for > > accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. > The > best > > way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on > what > > others have done. > > > > Carolyn Cooper > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net<mailto:peaches@strato.net>> > > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM > > Subject: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > > > > > fyi... > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A. S. Balch" > > > To: > <ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:59 AM > > > > > > > > > The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the > > > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of > the > > > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have > been > > > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are > > > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. > > > > > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, > > > http://www.lib.byu.edu/<http://www.lib.byu.edu/> > > > > > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: > > > > > > "Find Other Materials" > > > "Electronic" > > > "On Line Collections at BYU" > > > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" > > > And, finally, "Family History Archive" > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > The SC Room: > http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> > > > > > > ============================== > > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > The SC Room: > http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Subscription instructions are at > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS> > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> > > > > ______________________________ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Message Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hello, all. In six years, I have not ever heard of them changing anything in their data-base, because of a request from a 'user'!! The origin of those data-bases are the readers from earlier years, who put up 'stuff' as they found it, any where, and every where!! Since Ancestry has a disclaimer to the effect that you would want to get in touch with the source of the data you want to change, they see no reason to 'be bothered' about it, at all!! And, since most of the e-mail addresses are obsolete in the reference areas of the data-bases, they really do not see any reason to be concerned!! What you see is what you get!! And even if you see it, beware!! It might be a correct entry, but no one guarantees that to you!! CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!! Hope this explains it well!! Joe DUKE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@msn.com> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > Dear Phyllis, > > You are absolutely correct. > > In SC you have to be very careful when you use Ancestry.com Census records. You need to do a line by line scan. Their search engine has left out people, given them the wrong first names and put people in the wrong locations. I can site you chapter and verse I have communicated to Ancestry.com but they don't change anything. > > God Bless. > Herb Hendricks > Retired NASA Physicist > Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator > Secretary Hendricks Family Association > Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> > 1210 Long Meadow DR > Lynchburg, VA 24502 > 434 832 7246 > Major/Smith/Hendricks > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phyllis Horry<mailto:wwhorry@islc.net> > To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > I totally agree - I have found inaccuracies in my family on this site simply > because someone failed to properly document/authenticate information before > "sharing" it with the world. Just because it is found here (on the > Internet) does not mean that it is accurate. > > Even transcriptions of census records can be suspect due to misinterpreting > the handwriting of the census takers. Actually this applies to all > handwritten documents. > > Phyllis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Cooper" <caroljcoop@everestkc.net<mailto:caroljcoop@everestkc.net>> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family histories for > accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. The best > way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on what > others have done. > > Carolyn Cooper > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net<mailto:peaches@strato.net>> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM > Subject: [SC] LDS Family History Library > > > > fyi... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. S. Balch" > > To: <ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:59 AM > > > > > > The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the > > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have been > > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are > > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. > > > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, > > http://www.lib.byu.edu/<http://www.lib.byu.edu/> > > > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: > > > > "Find Other Materials" > > "Electronic" > > "On Line Collections at BYU" > > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" > > And, finally, "Family History Archive" > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Herb: Your chart was most impressive! How would I go about doing the same thing? My entire family participated with the LDS church when they were doing DNA testing and I was intrigued then. After seeing your results, I am even more anxious to participate in this testing. Any suggestions or direction you can give would be greatly appreciated. Bonnie Marsh Tampa, Florida

Thanks for your message. Like you, the first time I ran across this subject some years ago was in Sam Stoney's "Plantations of the Carolina Low Country". However, I can't recall ever seeing the info from "Plantations of the Low Country: South Carolina 1697- 1865," by William P. Baldwin, Jr. So I thank you indeed for this addition. Somewhere I had/have a letter - before email- from someone else who had an ancestor he said must have been one of the number. Certainly, there are others of SC descent who could trace their line back to one of those men, and perhaps there is some family "folk lore" in their family that mentions the possibility. There is also a SC record that "hints" that lists some men were of the band. I can not recall now where this was. One must realize that early in the time, there were men who had a warrant from the king of England to go after the Mogols. But the "politics" changed, and some of the men were smart enough to see the "handwriting on the wall", and get out of the business when and where they could. One clue I think that would support the possibility is when a man shows up suddenly from "nowhere' and pays alot of taxes. This was the case with George Chicken, so far as I can determine. The other item is that an early Chicken family were in Northumberland and Durham, close to the sea. So it would appear a strong possibility that they would be seamen. I am glad you contacted me again. Perhaps our exchanges will bring forth some others of a like mind. So thanks again. Ed T of PGH ----------- On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:58 PM, URQ5@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/11/2005 11:17:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ertjr1@earthlink.net writes: > > I have not written you in some weeks, so it was not me who sought > info > about the Red Sea men. But sometime ago I think it was you with whom I > corresponded about them. You may recall that I suspect "my" George > Chicken was one of them. Is there any new info about them? I am always > interested in such info. > > > > Hi Ed-- Yes, you are the one I was looking for-- since we had not > talked > recently, I could not find your screen name in address book on new > computer. But > I hadn't forgotten that you were looking for information on the Red > Sea Men. > While doing some lookups tonight for others, I came across these > references: > > from "Plantations of the Carolina Low Country," by Samuel Gaillard > Stoney. > 1938, The Carolina Art Association > > p. 18- 19 > "Meantime, in 1692, one famous company of questionable seafarers > anchored > the ship "Loyal Jamaica" in Rebellion Roads, off Mount Pleasant, where > it lay, > giving Charles-Town some uneasiness. When peremptorily ordered away it > put out > to sea.[sic] but added to the unrest by tacking back and forth across > the > harbor mouth before it finally disappeared. Shortly thereafter the > authorities > had word that the ship was run ashore in Sewee Bay, had been stripped > of her > furniture, and that her people were scattered into the town and > country. Upon > examination of some of them it proved that hey had committed nothing > like > piracy, except in the Red Sea where the subjects of the Grand Mogul > were then > considered fair prey to Christians; that they had acted as privateers > in the > Caribbean, but that a debate begun upon their sailing north into the > latitude > of Charles-Town as to whether or not they should put in there and turn > planter had been prolonged until they settled it in the affirmative > by beaching > their ship at Sewee. Several of these Red Sea Men were well connected > in > England, young, and rich with the plunder of their paynims. Following > their > resolution they had taken, they became not only planters of Carolina > but the > ancestors, in some cases, of most eminent Low Country families." > > p. 57- 58 in the section on Fenwick Hall, 1730 > "Fenwick Hall marks the cresting of a wave of prosperity that came > over the > Low Country in the decade after the end of the Proprietorial > Government with > its last complications of Indian wars and piratical incursions in the > Low > Country proper. The house also signifies the arrival of considerable > wealth of an > interesting family. Robert Fenwick, one of the 'Red Sea Men' who upon > their > arrival in Carolina on the privateer 'Loyal Jamaica' were bonded to > behave > themselves during their sojourn, came of a good, sometimes prominent, > county > fmaily in England. > > from "Plantations of the Low Country: South Carolina 1697- 1865," by > William > P. Baldwin, Jr., Legacy Publications, 1985. > > p. 33 from the section on Fenwick Hall > "Descended from one of the 'Red Sea Privateers,' John Fenwick > prospered and > left the home to his son..." > > Since this was the first time I'd read "Red Sea Privateers," I Googled > those > words & came up with many hits. You may want to check that out. It > sure is > an interesting topic. I will let you know if I find anything else. > URQ > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Query Board > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 11/11/2005 11:17:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ertjr1@earthlink.net writes: I have not written you in some weeks, so it was not me who sought info about the Red Sea men. But sometime ago I think it was you with whom I corresponded about them. You may recall that I suspect "my" George Chicken was one of them. Is there any new info about them? I am always interested in such info. Hi Ed-- Yes, you are the one I was looking for-- since we had not talked recently, I could not find your screen name in address book on new computer. But I hadn't forgotten that you were looking for information on the Red Sea Men. While doing some lookups tonight for others, I came across these references: from "Plantations of the Carolina Low Country," by Samuel Gaillard Stoney. 1938, The Carolina Art Association p. 18- 19 "Meantime, in 1692, one famous company of questionable seafarers anchored the ship "Loyal Jamaica" in Rebellion Roads, off Mount Pleasant, where it lay, giving Charles-Town some uneasiness. When peremptorily ordered away it put out to sea.[sic] but added to the unrest by tacking back and forth across the harbor mouth before it finally disappeared. Shortly thereafter the authorities had word that the ship was run ashore in Sewee Bay, had been stripped of her furniture, and that her people were scattered into the town and country. Upon examination of some of them it proved that hey had committed nothing like piracy, except in the Red Sea where the subjects of the Grand Mogul were then considered fair prey to Christians; that they had acted as privateers in the Caribbean, but that a debate begun upon their sailing north into the latitude of Charles-Town as to whether or not they should put in there and turn planter had been prolonged until they settled it in the affirmative by beaching their ship at Sewee. Several of these Red Sea Men were well connected in England, young, and rich with the plunder of their paynims. Following their resolution they had taken, they became not only planters of Carolina but the ancestors, in some cases, of most eminent Low Country families." p. 57- 58 in the section on Fenwick Hall, 1730 "Fenwick Hall marks the cresting of a wave of prosperity that came over the Low Country in the decade after the end of the Proprietorial Government with its last complications of Indian wars and piratical incursions in the Low Country proper. The house also signifies the arrival of considerable wealth of an interesting family. Robert Fenwick, one of the 'Red Sea Men' who upon their arrival in Carolina on the privateer 'Loyal Jamaica' were bonded to behave themselves during their sojourn, came of a good, sometimes prominent, county fmaily in England. from "Plantations of the Low Country: South Carolina 1697- 1865," by William P. Baldwin, Jr., Legacy Publications, 1985. p. 33 from the section on Fenwick Hall "Descended from one of the 'Red Sea Privateers,' John Fenwick prospered and left the home to his son..." Since this was the first time I'd read "Red Sea Privateers," I Googled those words & came up with many hits. You may want to check that out. It sure is an interesting topic. I will let you know if I find anything else. URQ

I have not written you in some weeks, so it was not me who sought info about the Red Sea men. But sometime ago I think it was you with whom I corresponded about them. You may recall that I suspect "my" George Chicken was one of them. Is there any new info about them? I am always interested in such info. Ed T of PGH --------- On Nov 11, 2005, at 9:48 PM, URQ5@aol.com wrote: > Greetings from SC. Will the person seeking information on the Red Sea > Men > please contact me? Apparently these men were pirates or privateers, & > some of > them eventually made their homes in SC. > URQ > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Message Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Greetings from SC. Will the person seeking information on the Red Sea Men please contact me? Apparently these men were pirates or privateers, & some of them eventually made their homes in SC. URQ

Read about this new program that creates a fake family to put online in order to make money. Geez! We have enough junk out there already without people using this. Pat http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/11/generating_fake.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Anytime you find a mistake in the data presented, look at the right hand margin and you will see corrections, follow this link and you can place in the index the correct name and it will be added to the search index, other corrections and such are in the works, but it takes time to program some of them in. I have seen a vast improvement over what it was a couple years ago when they were relaying on previous published indexes, and if we as users will feed back the errors we find it will further enhance the system, so take a moment to help. Bill Fish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@msn.com> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library > Dear Phyllis, > > You are absolutely correct. > > In SC you have to be very careful when you use Ancestry.com Census records. You need to do a line by line scan. Their > search engine has left out people, given them the wrong first names and put people in the wrong locations. I can site > you chapter and verse I have communicated to Ancestry.com but they don't change anything.

Dear Phyllis, You are absolutely correct. In SC you have to be very careful when you use Ancestry.com Census records. You need to do a line by line scan. Their search engine has left out people, given them the wrong first names and put people in the wrong locations. I can site you chapter and verse I have communicated to Ancestry.com but they don't change anything. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Phyllis Horry<mailto:wwhorry@islc.net> To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library I totally agree - I have found inaccuracies in my family on this site simply because someone failed to properly document/authenticate information before "sharing" it with the world. Just because it is found here (on the Internet) does not mean that it is accurate. Even transcriptions of census records can be suspect due to misinterpreting the handwriting of the census takers. Actually this applies to all handwritten documents. Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Cooper" <caroljcoop@everestkc.net<mailto:caroljcoop@everestkc.net>> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family histories for accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. The best way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on what others have done. Carolyn Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net<mailto:peaches@strato.net>> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: [SC] LDS Family History Library > fyi... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. S. Balch" > To: <ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:59 AM > > > The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have been > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, > http://www.lib.byu.edu/<http://www.lib.byu.edu/> > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: > > "Find Other Materials" > "Electronic" > "On Line Collections at BYU" > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" > And, finally, "Family History Archive" > > Adrian > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== Subscription instructions are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS> ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx>

Dear Bonnie, We have used the Family Tree DNA for our DNA testing. They provide you with all the necessary items, web site, ordering site, information, education, etc. Beware of just doing a 12 marker or 25 marker test. Advertizements sometimes can be miss leading. Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp<http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp> to access the FTDNA DNA Projects. Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> to see how I set up our project and handle the DNA participants. Since Rootsweb will not allow attachments I will send you a copy of our DNA Project update that make quick sense of who is who in our DNA testing lineage wise and also shows you how the various markers are compared to sort out the participants into families. If you get into this don't be fooled by just doing 12 or 25 marker test. Have your participants do a 37 marker test from the start. 12 and 25 marker test do not establish kinship. We have had people do 12 and 25 marker test who thought hey wer kin and when the 37 marker test came in the difference was to great to be kin. If you want further information e-mail me. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> ----- Original Message ----- From: BMarsh2780@aol.com<mailto:BMarsh2780@aol.com> To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library Herb: Your response was very, very interesting. How would go about doing a DNA? Bonnie Marsh Tampa, Florida ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== SCRoots Message Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

I totally agree - I have found inaccuracies in my family on this site simply because someone failed to properly document/authenticate information before "sharing" it with the world. Just because it is found here (on the Internet) does not mean that it is accurate. Even transcriptions of census records can be suspect due to misinterpreting the handwriting of the census takers. Actually this applies to all handwritten documents. Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Cooper" <caroljcoop@everestkc.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family histories for accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. The best way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on what others have done. Carolyn Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: [SC] LDS Family History Library > fyi... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. S. Balch" > To: <ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:59 AM > > > The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have been > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, > http://www.lib.byu.edu/ > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: > > "Find Other Materials" > "Electronic" > "On Line Collections at BYU" > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" > And, finally, "Family History Archive" > > Adrian > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Herb: Your response was very, very interesting. How would go about doing a DNA? Bonnie Marsh Tampa, Florida

I'll amen that. Our Hendricks DNA project has proven 17 years of paid research by a professional and reputable genealogist wrong 3 out of 4 times in regard to who is who in SC Hendricks families. So when you take someone else's word even in a book do it with caution. I spent 25 years here in VA documenting from official records who our John Major family really was in SC chapter and verse from VA to NC to SC and people still keep copying lineages from old family histories without regard to authenticating the source. Pathetic! God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks(on) DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hendrickson/<http://www.familytreednacom/public/hendrickson/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Cooper<mailto:caroljcoop@everestkc.net> To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [SC] LDS Family History Library While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family histories for accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. The best way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on what others have done. Carolyn Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net<mailto:peaches@strato.net>> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: [SC] LDS Family History Library > fyi... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. S. Balch" > To: <ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:59 AM > > > The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have been > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, > http://www.lib.byu.edu/<http://www.lib.byu.edu/> > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: > > "Find Other Materials" > "Electronic" > "On Line Collections at BYU" > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" > And, finally, "Family History Archive" > > Adrian > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== The SC Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html<http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

In a message dated 11/9/2005 9:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, caroljcoop@everestkc.net writes: While this is a good source, please don't rely on these family histories for accuracy. I've seen some that are very faulted and undocumented. The best way to research your roots is to do your own digging and not rely on what others have done. Carolyn Cooper I agree