The government does not and cannot copyright the censuses or any other data that they publish because it belongs to the public in general. Their printed materials are uncopyrightable, except in format. Companies that make available the census on CD's, in books, etc. can only copyright the format, but never the actual material. You can copy the census and publish it in any manner you wish. You will never own the copyright to that census, only the format in which you presented it. Tina Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Wimberly" <fmcw@ktc.com> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: February 26, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [SC] more thoughts about transcribing census > Shirley; I'm in no position to do any of this, as much as I would like to > but may I ask: if a person looks up census on microfilm and makes copies in > the library of it can that person simply email(if they had a scanner that ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== Subscription management instructions are posted at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Shirley; I'm in no position to do any of this, as much as I would like to but may I ask: if a person looks up census on microfilm and makes copies in the library of it can that person simply email(if they had a scanner that wasn't broken-ahem) the copies of the pages to a site at Rootsweb? Let each person decide for themselves or ask over the Internet what some name looks like that they can't decipher? frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <swarren2@prodigy.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [SC] more thoughts about transcribing census > This is from one of the leaders at the USGenWeb Census Project at > http://www.us-census.org/info/ > > "working with a "team of volunteers" is a great way of > > getting a particular census transcribed. The team members can even > > proofread each others work. Learning to decipher a particular > enumerator's > > handwriting is a hard part of transcribing, and the team can help each > > other.> > > We have been encouraging the State Coordinators to try to get more teams > of > > volunteers. " > > US GenWeb has a program called CART which you can download or you can use > Excel to enter the information. > > I don't know if this is still in effect, but S-K Publications, Wichita, KS > (http://www.skpub.com/genie/census2.html was providing a free copy to US > GenWeb census transcriber volunteers. > > As with most volunteer work you get more than you give. No one can > appreciate the work that goes into transcribing until one has done so. It > will help one learn to decipher old handwriting. It will help one > understand why there are so many mistakes on people's names. It will give a > whole new perspective on how much work has been done and how much needs to > be done to make census information readily available on the internet. > > Also, another way to get more census info online is at Kindred Konnections. > Volunteer to do a census page and you will received a one hour free search > at K-K. > > If you are a subscriber to Family Tree Maker's Books online there are many > census images there. > > I have no connection to US GenWeb Census Project, S-K Publications or > Kindred Konnections. > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Query Board > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

There are two handwriting specialists I was told some years back in Texas and the one who was hired for the deciphering of a will from these people used an infrared lamp to decipher the names and letters. I don't know who she is but it might be a good idea. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <swarren2@prodigy.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [SC] more thoughts about transcribing census > This is from one of the leaders at the USGenWeb Census Project at > http://www.us-census.org/info/ > > "working with a "team of volunteers" is a great way of > > getting a particular census transcribed. The team members can even > > proofread each others work. Learning to decipher a particular > enumerator's > > handwriting is a hard part of transcribing, and the team can help each > > other.> > > We have been encouraging the State Coordinators to try to get more teams > of > > volunteers. " > > US GenWeb has a program called CART which you can download or you can use > Excel to enter the information. > > I don't know if this is still in effect, but S-K Publications, Wichita, KS > (http://www.skpub.com/genie/census2.html was providing a free copy to US > GenWeb census transcriber volunteers. > > As with most volunteer work you get more than you give. No one can > appreciate the work that goes into transcribing until one has done so. It > will help one learn to decipher old handwriting. It will help one > understand why there are so many mistakes on people's names. It will give a > whole new perspective on how much work has been done and how much needs to > be done to make census information readily available on the internet. > > Also, another way to get more census info online is at Kindred Konnections. > Volunteer to do a census page and you will received a one hour free search > at K-K. > > If you are a subscriber to Family Tree Maker's Books online there are many > census images there. > > I have no connection to US GenWeb Census Project, S-K Publications or > Kindred Konnections. > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Query Board > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

HI Cuz, ( Janet ) Quess I should have wrote to you , for this . I keep you pretty busy . < grin > I had another family member tell me about the St Johns Chapel , Berkeley County. She seem to be quit sure that it was in Monks Corner . But the death index cards say , " St John's Chapel " . Therefore it is not clear to me , if this was in Charleston or Berkeley County . Can you tell if it is Berkeley or Charleston , by the death index cards???????? CJK

To: Susan Johanson <djohanson@mindspring.com> I have an EXCEL file compiled by Mr. H. C. Ouzts on the Clark familes with connections to Old Edgefield Dist/Co., SC. I checked his file, and this is what I find that seems to be your family. 1- John Baylis Clarke [1780] 2- John Baylis Clarke, Jr. [1800](m. Martha Nevit)[1850] 3- Elias Lake Clarke 4- Robert Lake Clarke 5- Sarah Lake Clarke 5-Susan Clarke (m. Johanson) Springfield VA johanson@digizen.net The email address seems to be the source of the data to Mr. Ouzts. Nothing else in the file seems to match, but I do not know much about the Clark family. i got the file for someone else. Mr. Ouzts willingly shares, and if you can open EXCEL, I can send for you to have in case you find some recognizable names that he had not connected yet. He also has a Lake file. Billie Jones Camden, SC tjones@camden.net -----Original Message----- From: Susan Johanson <djohanson@mindspring.com> To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: [SC] John Clark > Does anyone have any information on the John Clark 1-1-4-13 who >appears in the 1790 Edgefield census? I have a John B. Clarke/Clark who >was born c1791 in SC and was in Anderson Co. by the 1830s. I don't know >who his parents were, but he had an older sister, mother, or stepmother >named Jane. My John Clark did have connections in Edgefield. His son >married a cousin of the Edgefield Lake family and named a son Elias Lake >Clark. Any information on the Edgefield Clarks would be appreciated. > > Susan Clark Johanson > >-- >-- >Susan C. Johanson >Springfield, VA >djohanson@mindspring.com >Rootsweb sponsor-NEHGS member >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Susan-C-Johanson/ > ...Searching for footprints in the sands of time... > > >==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== >[SC-Gen] http://www.egroups.com/group/SC-Genealogy/ >SUBSCRIBE: SC-Genealogy-subscribe@egroups.com > >============================== >Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

Just to put "all" the info out there..... the following url, provided earlier, is for the Archives Census project volunteers...if I am not mistaken....and they just changed their name which makes it more confusing..... http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/volunteer.htm The origninal USGenWeb Census Project was moved from Rootsweb, due to some problems, and is now on the GenNet server and you can find out about this project and how to volunteer at the following url... The USGenWeb Census Project http://www.us-census.org/ You should read "all the details" at each site and decide for yourself.....there are some differences...I only want to make sure that everyone has all the info.available to them and not just parts of it.... Carrie Volunteer transcriber...USGenWeb Census Project http://www.us-census.org/ 1880 Sebastian Co., AR.

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Does anyone have any information on the John Clark 1-1-4-13 who appears in the 1790 Edgefield census? I have a John B. Clarke/Clark who was born c1791 in SC and was in Anderson Co. by the 1830s. I don't know who his parents were, but he had an older sister, mother, or stepmother named Jane. My John Clark did have connections in Edgefield. His son married a cousin of the Edgefield Lake family and named a son Elias Lake Clark. Any information on the Edgefield Clarks would be appreciated. Susan Clark Johanson -- -- Susan C. Johanson Springfield, VA djohanson@mindspring.com Rootsweb sponsor-NEHGS member http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Susan-C-Johanson/ ...Searching for footprints in the sands of time...

Thank you Carrie; I sure will check it out. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrie Thomas-Dominguez" <orchid@sunflower.com> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [SC] SC Census Images Online? > Here are some USGenWeb Cencus Project urls. For those of you who are having > problems finding some of the census records that may have disappeared from > Rootsweb. There was a bit of a problem about a year or so ago with a few > people at Rootsweb. The US GenWeb Census project took the Censuses that had > been transcribed and moved them to a different server. If I am not > mistaken....the USGenWebArchives Project tried to take control and were > making some changes to uploads without the transcribers permission....or > something along that line....this is why the Project moved to a new > server....sooo there were two groups working to transcribe. The original > Census Project can be found at the urls below. Hope this helps some of you! > I haven't been to the site in a while so I cannot tell you what all is > there. > > Carrie Thomas-Dominguez > Transcribing 1880 Sebastian Co., AR. > > The USGenWeb Census Project > http://www.us-census.org/ > > http://www.us-census.org/search.html Search Engine > > http://www.us-census.org/inventory/inventory.htm On-line Inventory > > http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ State Table web site > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Jilote" <jilote@earthlink.net> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SC] SC Census Images Online? > > > > > > OK! I give! There were MANY SC CENSUS Images on Rootsweb.... > > > > But.... not the dates or places I need (for now). God bless > > the soul that is scanning the Charleston Census! ... if that > > person exists. > > > > Janet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Janet Jilote <jilote@earthlink.net> > > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:02 AM > > Subject: [SC] SC Census Images Online? > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > SCRoots Query Board > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > [SCRoots-Lite] http://www.egroups.com/group/SCRoots-Lite/ > SUBSCRIBE: SCRoots-Lite-subscribe@egroups.com > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Louis did your McLure's keep the spelling McLure or did they turn it to McClure? I am very interested in this because the gggggrfa from Ms. I'm am almost positive has a fa from SC; they say there's a book in Ms. that states his fa b. Pa.? and that's where the info stops, no name for the man place date etc. and I believe he like the rest of the bunch were from SC; found James and Wm. McClure's in SC in earlier census if I remember correctly(found my gggggrfa 10 yrs. ago) and his name was Wm. McClure and his bro was James. I believe the name John is in that same family, not used in our later descendents but I believe they tie in at an earlier date. frances fmcw@ktc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kifle Tesfamariam Tewelde" <ktewelde@interbaun.com> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: [SC] Need to find Stewart and McLure Cemetaries > Som of my Stewart ancestors came from South Carolina, and am asking subscribers if they know of any private Stewart and McLure cemetaries in the State. I am looking at the years 1720 onward. Thank you. Louis S. > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Query Board > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

> Tina, No contest. > You are right. > But do the math-you indicate working on 7 or 8 counties. > Count all the counties and the multiply every ten years since 1790 plus all > the 'State or 'Special census'. > We love volunteers, but we can't count on them for the whole census records > unless we want to wait a few thousand years. > Sorry about your toes, and mine! > Bob I'd like to add my two cents worth here. There are givers and takers in this world but very few givers and takers. Everyone needs to do a little something to give back for the help that they have received. Dennis -- Dennis Morgan dmorgan@shelby.net Web Page at: http://www.shelby.net/dmorgan Researching surnames: Morgan,Smith,Hudson,McSwain,Lankford, Hamrick In Cleveland and Rutherford Counties in NC and in Cherokee County in SC. Researching Surnames: Peace,Morris,Pittman,Gosnell, Cantrell in Spartanburg and Greenville Counties in SC.

This is from one of the leaders at the USGenWeb Census Project at http://www.us-census.org/info/ "working with a "team of volunteers" is a great way of > getting a particular census transcribed. The team members can even > proofread each others work. Learning to decipher a particular enumerator's > handwriting is a hard part of transcribing, and the team can help each > other.> > We have been encouraging the State Coordinators to try to get more teams of > volunteers. " US GenWeb has a program called CART which you can download or you can use Excel to enter the information. I don't know if this is still in effect, but S-K Publications, Wichita, KS (http://www.skpub.com/genie/census2.html was providing a free copy to US GenWeb census transcriber volunteers. As with most volunteer work you get more than you give. No one can appreciate the work that goes into transcribing until one has done so. It will help one learn to decipher old handwriting. It will help one understand why there are so many mistakes on people's names. It will give a whole new perspective on how much work has been done and how much needs to be done to make census information readily available on the internet. Also, another way to get more census info online is at Kindred Konnections. Volunteer to do a census page and you will received a one hour free search at K-K. If you are a subscriber to Family Tree Maker's Books online there are many census images there. I have no connection to US GenWeb Census Project, S-K Publications or Kindred Konnections.

Dear SC, Ancestry.com has what is called a Partnership program. Since they don't pay everyone to transcribe the documents online, you can transcribe and submit to this Partnership program. And they will post it and have it in free access in their databases. As I understand it, you get something out of the deal too. (I think the draw back to this though is that you need to have a full document rather than partial transcriptions of pages.) Often times there databases are sketchy at best. But this would be a good way to spread the knowledge far and wide. Particularly when Rootsweb needs maintenance, and the only thing available is Ancestry, or other websites... Why not submit to more than one spot?? I transcribe what I have, post to the list associated with the county and state, GenWeb, Also post to GenWeb and occasionally if the document is surname heavy (meaning that it has a great deal of one surname) I post to the surname lists. Also find the appropriate GenForum/FamilyHistory message boards. Wendy Lee and Billie Jones wrote: > But are these census transcriptions going on the Ancestry subscription > pages. If I spend my time transcribing, I want to be sure it is available > free of charge to everyone, not just the Ancestry subscribers. > > Billie Jones

OK! I give! There were MANY SC CENSUS Images on Rootsweb.... But.... not the dates or places I need (for now). God bless the soul that is scanning the Charleston Census! ... if that person exists. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Jilote <jilote@earthlink.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: [SC] SC Census Images Online?

Here are some USGenWeb Cencus Project urls. For those of you who are having problems finding some of the census records that may have disappeared from Rootsweb. There was a bit of a problem about a year or so ago with a few people at Rootsweb. The US GenWeb Census project took the Censuses that had been transcribed and moved them to a different server. If I am not mistaken....the USGenWebArchives Project tried to take control and were making some changes to uploads without the transcribers permission....or something along that line....this is why the Project moved to a new server....sooo there were two groups working to transcribe. The original Census Project can be found at the urls below. Hope this helps some of you! I haven't been to the site in a while so I cannot tell you what all is there. Carrie Thomas-Dominguez Transcribing 1880 Sebastian Co., AR. The USGenWeb Census Project http://www.us-census.org/ http://www.us-census.org/search.html Search Engine http://www.us-census.org/inventory/inventory.htm On-line Inventory http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ State Table web site ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Jilote" <jilote@earthlink.net> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [SC] SC Census Images Online? > > OK! I give! There were MANY SC CENSUS Images on Rootsweb.... > > But.... not the dates or places I need (for now). God bless > the soul that is scanning the Charleston Census! ... if that > person exists. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janet Jilote <jilote@earthlink.net> > To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:02 AM > Subject: [SC] SC Census Images Online? > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Query Board > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Many months ago I joined Ancestry.com. I had written and even spoken with them by phone, asking when they would have the SC Census Images online.... Ancestry said around Dec. and poss. into Jan. Well, that's come and gone. And I'm disappointed to say the least. I paid for a 3 mo. subscription (x2) waiting for this time saving info to be made available. The best I've come up with was a 1790 Census... on a County Website, but I'm looking for the ones with "guts"... the info I can really use. I am one of those people who wants proof... copies of the actual census info. Transcribed info is useful, and thank God for those who do the work. I would want both sources of info online. Though, I have found that many people have a difficult time reading the old script and transcribing can be even worse if one is not knowledgable and familar with it. A difficult task made worse by a census taker with poor handwriting. So... were's the darn online SC CENSUS Images! <<<breathe, Janet! breathe!>>> I'm fine. Just self absorbed. Want MY info online before those "other" (less important) states. Janet Nielson Jilote If you can't take a joke... don't visit me~

Som of my Stewart ancestors came from South Carolina, and am asking subscribers if they know of any private Stewart and McLure cemetaries in the State. I am looking at the years 1720 onward. Thank you. Louis S.

CJK, Didn't realize it was you that was looking for info on St John's until I read more of my email. Guess I jumped the gun! So, you have some folks buried in Berk. Co... St John's <<Chapel>>? or just plain St John's? Cuz'in, Janet Nielson Jilote

There is a St John's Episcopal Chapel in Charleston, SC. I have many family members buried there and some were moved to other cemeteries when the church was no longer in use. Behind the church and along the back wall/fence of the churchyard there are several stones proped against the wall that were removed when a basketball court was put in, or knocked over from storms or vandals. Two of my SHOKES line are still buried with their stones. There are few stones left in their original places. The last time I was there the bldg. was being used for unwed mothers and youth programs. It is located on Hanover St. Most of the church records were lost in a fire and are not kept at St John's Church, (West Ashley), Chas., SC. I found a couple of relatives in Sunday School Records. I think half the congregration was related to me! So many of the marriage/death records list St John's. And many of my relatives lived on Hanover St and surrounding streets for many years. The area was known as Hampstead Mall. If I can be of any help... let me know. Janet Nielson Jilote Chas, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: barbara wouters <wouters@mindspring.com> To: <SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [SC] St John's Cemetery Yes, it is. My relative is John W. Walling who died in 1874. He was my great grandmother's 2nd husband. In the probate records in Charleston, SC, it is stated that he was buried at St. Johns Chapel. I do not know if there is a stone there or not. If you go to: http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html and put in Pinopolis under Feature name, then South Carolina under State, then Berkeley under County, you will see the various names using Pinopolis. It is on a peninsula near Moncks Corner. CJK1043@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/25/01 5:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wouters@mindspring.com writes: > > << Pinopolis, >> > > Thank you for the replie . Is Pinopolis , Berkeley County ? > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > [SCRoots] http://www.egroups.com/group/SCRoots/ > SUBSCRIBE: SCRoots-subscribe@egroups.com > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== [SCRoots] http://www.egroups.com/group/SCRoots/ SUBSCRIBE: SCRoots-subscribe@egroups.com ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/volunteer.htm Here is the URL to volunteer. You can choose to transcribe, or proofread, or even become a coordinator. They are working on teams as well. You can find out everything you need to know here. Click on each link to see what is expected and what you might want to try doing. I know there is a great shortage of proofreaders right now. There are many ways to get a copy of the census records to help transcribe or proofread. good luck, Tina Hall -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Harley [mailto:harleyclan@coastalnet.com] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:23 PM To: SCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC] CENSUS TRANSCRIBING, A BETTER WAY O.K. I do not work, and I'm at home most of the time. I would be glad to transcribe some pages but I need some information. Is there a list somewhere that tells which ones have been transcribed, and which ones need to be transcribed and where are they? How do I get the census to be transcribed? I have only been on the computer for about two years, so I do not know a lot about converting things to different forms, etc. I would be glad to help if it is something I can handle. Just show me the way!!! I'm working in Marlboro , Chesterfield,Barnwell and surrounding counties primarily, but will be glad to do anything that will help. Joanne Harley New Bern,NC harleyclan@coastalnet.com