This page will help you find the book in a library, perhaps near you.: http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/91191aa1ed0863a1.html Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > I have the book. > 206. PASSPORTS OF SOUTHEASTERN PIONEERS, 1770-1823 - INDIAN, SPANISH, > AND OTHER LAND PASSPORTS FOR TENNESSEE, KENTUCKY, GEORGIA MISSISSIPPI, > VIRGINIA, NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA > Dorothy W. Potter, Heritage Papers, Athens, GA 1982, $40.00. > > Every person mentioned is indexed. > > Dee > For details on the reference sources used for lookups, refer to this > link: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbladen/lookups.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tree Mother" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > Fred: > You have the correct answer. But I would like to add that Passports to > travel through the Indian lands to Mississippi Territory had to be > obtained > and that they are published in book form Southeast Pioneers Passport > or some > title close to that. Someone will have it correct. It is a good book > to have > in one's library as it contains much information regarding the > problems with > trespassers in the Indian lands and also contains information > regarding > passports through Tennessee. I have read it cover to cover and will be > adding it to my library as I often have to go back and check facts > from the > letters of Benjamin Hawkins and others who held the positions in > Tennessee. > Be aware that your ancestor's name may not be in the index but they > could be > included on the passport of some one who is indexed. That is another > reason > the book is a good acquisition. > No, I do not get a cut for the copies sold. Just think it is a good > resource. > Tree Mother > > "She is insane, of course. The family history has bcome a mania for > her." > Hercule Poirot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Swygert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > Pardon me for butting in here but I too have been researching the > way west > > from South Carolina and the "Federal Road " seems to be the way > settlers > > went to Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. Here is what I came up > with: > > > > The Federal Road began in 1806 as a postal road. The Creek Indians > by that > > time had given permission for the development of a horse path > through > their > > nation, its purpose being a more efficient mail delivery between > Washington > > and New Orleans. Although the Mississippi Territory was created in > 1798, > > only a handful of pioneers settled there before 1810. Migration into > the > > territory was slow in part due to the presence of the powerful Creek > and > > Cherokee tribes in western Georgia and the Choctaw and Chickasaw in > Alabama > > and Mississippi. In 1811, when conflicts with the French had reached > a > point > > where it seemed necessary to be able to move troops and supplies > quickly > > across the Mississippi Territory, the Federal road was widened and > improved > > for that purpose. This led to the Creek Indian War of 1813-14 and > then to > > the removal of the Indians to the West. By 1820, two hundred and > thirty > > thousand immigrants, both black and white, were living in Alabama > and > > Mississippi, raising cotton or erecting stores, warehouses, and > homes. > Some > > of these settlers had come by boat, but most had made the tedious > trip > over > > the Federal Road. Many came through Augusta, Warrenton, Sparta, > > Milledgeville, and Macon before reaching Columbus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JIM MOORE" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > > > > Pauline: > > > Probably the "Federal Road", west from Augusta. > > > JIM MOORE > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:42 PM > > > Subject: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know for sure what migration trails SC people used > to get > to > > > MS > > > > Territory when it opened up in early 1800s. What trail would > they > take > > if > > > they > > > > lived in Georgetown on the PeeDee. 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There is a book called "Passports of Georgia Governors" or something very similar. It lists the folks who traveled through Georgia to points west. Mickey -----Original Message----- From: Tree Mother [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 Fred: You have the correct answer. But I would like to add that Passports to travel through the Indian lands to Mississippi Territory had to be obtained and that they are published in book form Southeast Pioneers Passport or some title close to that. Someone will have it correct. It is a good book to have in one's library as it contains much information regarding the problems with trespassers in the Indian lands and also contains information regarding passports through Tennessee. I have read it cover to cover and will be adding it to my library as I often have to go back and check facts from the letters of Benjamin Hawkins and others who held the positions in Tennessee. Be aware that your ancestor's name may not be in the index but they could be included on the passport of some one who is indexed. That is another reason the book is a good acquisition. No, I do not get a cut for the copies sold. Just think it is a good resource. Tree Mother "She is insane, of course. The family history has bcome a mania for her." Hercule Poirot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Swygert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > Pardon me for butting in here but I too have been researching the way west > from South Carolina and the "Federal Road " seems to be the way settlers > went to Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. Here is what I came up with: > > The Federal Road began in 1806 as a postal road. The Creek Indians by that > time had given permission for the development of a horse path through their > nation, its purpose being a more efficient mail delivery between Washington > and New Orleans. Although the Mississippi Territory was created in 1798, > only a handful of pioneers settled there before 1810. Migration into the > territory was slow in part due to the presence of the powerful Creek and > Cherokee tribes in western Georgia and the Choctaw and Chickasaw in Alabama > and Mississippi. In 1811, when conflicts with the French had reached a point > where it seemed necessary to be able to move troops and supplies quickly > across the Mississippi Territory, the Federal road was widened and improved > for that purpose. This led to the Creek Indian War of 1813-14 and then to > the removal of the Indians to the West. By 1820, two hundred and thirty > thousand immigrants, both black and white, were living in Alabama and > Mississippi, raising cotton or erecting stores, warehouses, and homes. Some > of these settlers had come by boat, but most had made the tedious trip over > the Federal Road. Many came through Augusta, Warrenton, Sparta, > Milledgeville, and Macon before reaching Columbus. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JIM MOORE" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > Pauline: > > Probably the "Federal Road", west from Augusta. > > JIM MOORE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:42 PM > > Subject: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > > > > Does anyone know for sure what migration trails SC people used to get to > > MS > > > Territory when it opened up in early 1800s. What trail would they take > if > > they > > > lived in Georgetown on the PeeDee. All help appreciated. > > > > > > Pauline in AZ > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > SCRoots Query Board > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Subscription instructions are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I have the book. 206. PASSPORTS OF SOUTHEASTERN PIONEERS, 1770-1823 - INDIAN, SPANISH, AND OTHER LAND PASSPORTS FOR TENNESSEE, KENTUCKY, GEORGIA MISSISSIPPI, VIRGINIA, NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA Dorothy W. Potter, Heritage Papers, Athens, GA 1982, $40.00. Every person mentioned is indexed. Dee For details on the reference sources used for lookups, refer to this link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbladen/lookups.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tree Mother" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 Fred: You have the correct answer. But I would like to add that Passports to travel through the Indian lands to Mississippi Territory had to be obtained and that they are published in book form Southeast Pioneers Passport or some title close to that. Someone will have it correct. It is a good book to have in one's library as it contains much information regarding the problems with trespassers in the Indian lands and also contains information regarding passports through Tennessee. I have read it cover to cover and will be adding it to my library as I often have to go back and check facts from the letters of Benjamin Hawkins and others who held the positions in Tennessee. Be aware that your ancestor's name may not be in the index but they could be included on the passport of some one who is indexed. That is another reason the book is a good acquisition. No, I do not get a cut for the copies sold. Just think it is a good resource. Tree Mother "She is insane, of course. The family history has bcome a mania for her." Hercule Poirot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Swygert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > Pardon me for butting in here but I too have been researching the way west > from South Carolina and the "Federal Road " seems to be the way settlers > went to Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. Here is what I came up with: > > The Federal Road began in 1806 as a postal road. The Creek Indians by that > time had given permission for the development of a horse path through their > nation, its purpose being a more efficient mail delivery between Washington > and New Orleans. Although the Mississippi Territory was created in 1798, > only a handful of pioneers settled there before 1810. Migration into the > territory was slow in part due to the presence of the powerful Creek and > Cherokee tribes in western Georgia and the Choctaw and Chickasaw in Alabama > and Mississippi. In 1811, when conflicts with the French had reached a point > where it seemed necessary to be able to move troops and supplies quickly > across the Mississippi Territory, the Federal road was widened and improved > for that purpose. This led to the Creek Indian War of 1813-14 and then to > the removal of the Indians to the West. By 1820, two hundred and thirty > thousand immigrants, both black and white, were living in Alabama and > Mississippi, raising cotton or erecting stores, warehouses, and homes. Some > of these settlers had come by boat, but most had made the tedious trip over > the Federal Road. Many came through Augusta, Warrenton, Sparta, > Milledgeville, and Macon before reaching Columbus. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JIM MOORE" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > Pauline: > > Probably the "Federal Road", west from Augusta. > > JIM MOORE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:42 PM > > Subject: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > > > > Does anyone know for sure what migration trails SC people used to get to > > MS > > > Territory when it opened up in early 1800s. What trail would they take > if > > they > > > lived in Georgetown on the PeeDee. 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Fred: You have the correct answer. But I would like to add that Passports to travel through the Indian lands to Mississippi Territory had to be obtained and that they are published in book form Southeast Pioneers Passport or some title close to that. Someone will have it correct. It is a good book to have in one's library as it contains much information regarding the problems with trespassers in the Indian lands and also contains information regarding passports through Tennessee. I have read it cover to cover and will be adding it to my library as I often have to go back and check facts from the letters of Benjamin Hawkins and others who held the positions in Tennessee. Be aware that your ancestor's name may not be in the index but they could be included on the passport of some one who is indexed. That is another reason the book is a good acquisition. No, I do not get a cut for the copies sold. Just think it is a good resource. Tree Mother "She is insane, of course. The family history has bcome a mania for her." Hercule Poirot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Swygert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > Pardon me for butting in here but I too have been researching the way west > from South Carolina and the "Federal Road " seems to be the way settlers > went to Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. Here is what I came up with: > > The Federal Road began in 1806 as a postal road. The Creek Indians by that > time had given permission for the development of a horse path through their > nation, its purpose being a more efficient mail delivery between Washington > and New Orleans. Although the Mississippi Territory was created in 1798, > only a handful of pioneers settled there before 1810. Migration into the > territory was slow in part due to the presence of the powerful Creek and > Cherokee tribes in western Georgia and the Choctaw and Chickasaw in Alabama > and Mississippi. In 1811, when conflicts with the French had reached a point > where it seemed necessary to be able to move troops and supplies quickly > across the Mississippi Territory, the Federal road was widened and improved > for that purpose. This led to the Creek Indian War of 1813-14 and then to > the removal of the Indians to the West. By 1820, two hundred and thirty > thousand immigrants, both black and white, were living in Alabama and > Mississippi, raising cotton or erecting stores, warehouses, and homes. Some > of these settlers had come by boat, but most had made the tedious trip over > the Federal Road. Many came through Augusta, Warrenton, Sparta, > Milledgeville, and Macon before reaching Columbus. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JIM MOORE" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > Pauline: > > Probably the "Federal Road", west from Augusta. > > JIM MOORE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:42 PM > > Subject: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > > > > > > > Does anyone know for sure what migration trails SC people used to get to > > MS > > > Territory when it opened up in early 1800s. What trail would they take > if > > they > > > lived in Georgetown on the PeeDee. All help appreciated. > > > > > > Pauline in AZ > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > SCRoots Query Board > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Subscription instructions are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 5/28/2004 > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SC Historical Society: http://www.schistory.org/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lyles (all forms), Barfield, Adams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CdB.2ACE/157 Message Board Post: I am still searching the Lyles of Lancaster County, SC. I need information on James and Mary Adams Lyles from Lancaster. James was born about 1812. Mary was born about 1825. Please email me at [email protected] - NO OTHER EMAILS! I am also interested in Lyles from Kershaw, Darlington, Lee, and Sumter Counties, from 1860 forward. Anyone with information on these Lyles (sometimes spelled Liles, Lisles, etc.) please respond.

Pauline: Probably the "Federal Road", west from Augusta. JIM MOORE ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [SC] MIGRATION TO MS TERR. 1801-3 > Does anyone know for sure what migration trails SC people used to get to MS > Territory when it opened up in early 1800s. What trail would they take if they > lived in Georgetown on the PeeDee. All help appreciated. > > Pauline in AZ > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Query Board > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone know for sure what migration trails SC people used to get to MS Territory when it opened up in early 1800s. What trail would they take if they lived in Georgetown on the PeeDee. All help appreciated. Pauline in AZ

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See SC reference below. From another list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Caver Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Texas Newspaper "Tidbits" (1840) Newspaper Notices From The Texas Sentinel, Austin, Texas -Transcribed by Larry E. Caver, Jr. February 1, 1840: Died, at his residence, on Bray's Bayou, Harris County, Texas, on the 27th December, Doctor P.W. ROSE, formerly of St. Louis, Missouri. Married, on Thursday evening, 30th ultimo, at the residence of Mr. Asa BRIGHAM, in this city, by Chief Justice Thomas J. RUSK, Mr. Oliver JONES, Senator from Austin County, to Mrs. Mary McINTYRE, of this city. February 12, 1840: Mr. BARROW, a young man, while assisting in the survey of the Texas boundary line, was killed by accidental discharge of his gun. April 15, 1840: Died, on Friday, 11 instant, near this city, Mr. William BARTON, aged 58 years. Mr. BARTON was a native of South Carolina, and moved to the state of Alabama during the wars with the Indians in 1816 and 1817. From that state he came to Texas. His whole life has been spent upon the frontier, and he has been aptly syled the Daniel Boone of Texas. He has seen many hair breadth escapes and a narrative of his life would form a very interesting biography. He removed to the place where he died about three years ago. It was then twelve miles above the highest settlers on the east of the Colorado, and on the west there was not another person for more than forty miles. The Indians frequently surrounded his house and have taken a few shtos at him; he has always contended that he should never be murdered by an Indian. In his manners he was frank and confiding, and died not only lamented by his old companions upon the frontier, but by all who have become acquainted with him, since! the rapid settlement and improvement of the country around him. He was emphatically an honest and an upright man. April 22, 1840: We have heard with regret, of the death of Mr. Moses T. MARTIN, of Washington. He was accidentally killed at that place, on the evening of the 11th instant, by the discharge of a pistol in the hands of Mr. Thomas WATERS. Mr. MARTIN was deservedly esteemed by all who knew him, and his death sincerely regretted... ----------------------------------------------- Lost your welcome message? Send GET DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L WELCOME to [email protected] for another copy.

Gregorian calendar was put in in 1752... Regards.

Not all countries began using the Gregorian Calendar at the same time. Is 1752 when USA adopted it's use? Do you know when other countries did also? For example, Russia/Soviet Union didn't start using it till 20th century, I think the last to convert to it. LuAna Drake Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "rcar37" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:37 AM Subject: RE: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > Gregorian calendar was put in in 1752... > Regards. > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > Subscription instructions are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/SC/misc.html#SCROOTS > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Joseph Wiley Small, great grandfather gives South Carolina as the birthplace of his parents - whenever this information is asked for on census forms.He was born in 1829, in Harris County, Georgia. He went to Arkansas and died there in 1906. In my research, I find families by the name of Small there in the early 1700's in Lancaster and Georgetown District. I have found records for some of these fmilies, but am not able to tie him to any one of them. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate it. Thank you. Joan Small Hawkins

Jim, Interesting...hadn't thought about that scenario, but you could be right. Perhaps they didn't know their homeland had changed their calendar from Julian to Gregorian. It would be interesting to know if there were other births and/or deaths recorded as February 30 during that time. Thanks for giving me food for thought. Carolyn Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM MOORE" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > If I may add my 2 cents worth: > Maybe not; you need to remember that Delaware was settled by Swedes and was > under Swedish rule from 1638 to 1655, when the Dutch took it over. > (Resulting in a power struggle between the Dutch and English, until the > latter finally established their claim to the colony.) > Swedish Lutheran colonists built Fort Christina, near Wilmington in 1638. > Although it never contained more than 200 people, it became the first > permanent European settlement in Delaware. > Maybe it was just a matter of a latter day immigrant from Sweden adhering to > the "old" calendar that they were used to? > JIM MOORE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Cooper" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > > > > February 30 has happened only three times in human history - in Sweden, in > > the year 1712; Finland, which at that time was part of Sweden; the Soviet > > Union, who declared that every month had 30 days and the remaining 5 or 6 > > days were monthless holidays. The Swedish/Finland thing had to do with > the > > change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. That date > > corresponded to the Julian calendar February 29 and the Gregorian calender > > March 11. The Swedes finally changed over to the Gregorian calendar in > > 1753. So, to answer your question, the headstone is wrong. Maybe it's a > > replaced stone and someone misread the date. > > > > Carolyn Cooper > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Neville" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:46 AM > > Subject: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > > > > > > > Saturday I was at a cemetery in Lewes Del. There was a tombstone there > > with the persons date of birth as February 30 ,1760. Was that a legitimate > > date at one time? I know that there was some sort of thing that happened > > with the calendar when it was changed from Julian to Gregorian ?? but I > > don't think it would have resulted in something like this . I am pretty > sure > > this date was a goof . Can anyone enlighten me on this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bill Neville > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > SCRoots Message Archives > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > SC Archives: http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/ > > > > ============================== > > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Message Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

If I may add my 2 cents worth: Maybe not; you need to remember that Delaware was settled by Swedes and was under Swedish rule from 1638 to 1655, when the Dutch took it over. (Resulting in a power struggle between the Dutch and English, until the latter finally established their claim to the colony.) Swedish Lutheran colonists built Fort Christina, near Wilmington in 1638. Although it never contained more than 200 people, it became the first permanent European settlement in Delaware. Maybe it was just a matter of a latter day immigrant from Sweden adhering to the "old" calendar that they were used to? JIM MOORE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Cooper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > February 30 has happened only three times in human history - in Sweden, in > the year 1712; Finland, which at that time was part of Sweden; the Soviet > Union, who declared that every month had 30 days and the remaining 5 or 6 > days were monthless holidays. The Swedish/Finland thing had to do with the > change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. That date > corresponded to the Julian calendar February 29 and the Gregorian calender > March 11. The Swedes finally changed over to the Gregorian calendar in > 1753. So, to answer your question, the headstone is wrong. Maybe it's a > replaced stone and someone misread the date. > > Carolyn Cooper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Neville" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:46 AM > Subject: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > > > > Saturday I was at a cemetery in Lewes Del. There was a tombstone there > with the persons date of birth as February 30 ,1760. Was that a legitimate > date at one time? I know that there was some sort of thing that happened > with the calendar when it was changed from Julian to Gregorian ?? but I > don't think it would have resulted in something like this . I am pretty sure > this date was a goof . Can anyone enlighten me on this? > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bill Neville > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > SCRoots Message Archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SC Archives: http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/ > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Check out the following site in relation to February 30th............ _http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/30th%20February_ (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/30th%20February) In a message dated 6/21/2004 5:03:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:46:13 -0400 From: "Bill Neville" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: FEBURARY 30TH. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Saturday I was at a cemetery in Lewes Del. There was a tombstone there with the persons date of birth as February 30 ,1760. Was that a legitimate date at one time? I know that there was some sort of thing that happened with the calendar when it was changed from Julian to Gregorian ?? but I don't think it would have resulted in something like this . I am pretty sure this date was a goof . Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks, Bill Neville

February 30 has happened only three times in human history - in Sweden, in the year 1712; Finland, which at that time was part of Sweden; the Soviet Union, who declared that every month had 30 days and the remaining 5 or 6 days were monthless holidays. The Swedish/Finland thing had to do with the change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. That date corresponded to the Julian calendar February 29 and the Gregorian calender March 11. The Swedes finally changed over to the Gregorian calendar in 1753. So, to answer your question, the headstone is wrong. Maybe it's a replaced stone and someone misread the date. Carolyn Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Neville" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. > Saturday I was at a cemetery in Lewes Del. There was a tombstone there with the persons date of birth as February 30 ,1760. Was that a legitimate date at one time? I know that there was some sort of thing that happened with the calendar when it was changed from Julian to Gregorian ?? but I don't think it would have resulted in something like this . I am pretty sure this date was a goof . Can anyone enlighten me on this? > > Thanks, > Bill Neville > > > ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== > SCRoots Message Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

To my knowledge there never was a February 30th of any year. I would think 1760 was way after the Gregorian calendar was put into place. Penny We are what we pretend to be, so be careful what we pretend to be. Kurt Vonnegut -----Original Message----- From: Bill Neville [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SC] FEBURARY 30TH. Saturday I was at a cemetery in Lewes Del. There was a tombstone there with the persons date of birth as February 30 ,1760. Was that a legitimate date at one time? I know that there was some sort of thing that happened with the calendar when it was changed from Julian to Gregorian ?? but I don't think it would have resulted in something like this . I am pretty sure this date was a goof . Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks, Bill Neville ==== SCROOTS Mailing List ==== SCRoots Message Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCROOTS ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Saturday I was at a cemetery in Lewes Del. There was a tombstone there with the persons date of birth as February 30 ,1760. Was that a legitimate date at one time? I know that there was some sort of thing that happened with the calendar when it was changed from Julian to Gregorian ?? but I don't think it would have resulted in something like this . I am pretty sure this date was a goof . Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks, Bill Neville

Is anyone researching or know anything about this family? 1930 Williamston SC census Dessie T Riddle 46 1883 South Carolina Roie Riddle 41 1888 Wife Homer D Riddle 12 1917 Son Edgar M Riddle 23 1906 Son Marnie Riddle 18 1911 Daughter-in-law Roie Hudgens Riddle was a daughter of Frances Marion Hudgens & Caroline Springfield and sister to my greatgrandfather James Thomas Hudgens. Any info is appreciated, Derrell Oakley Teat

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