Thanks for the list showing the coal mines in these areas - I am trying to determine when my grandparents arrived in Scotland from Ireland - they were married in Ireland in 1901. I found the listing for Linrigg mine at Newhouse very interesting since birth certificates of six of their children (maybe more) were born at Linrigg Row, Salsburgh, Shotts. I myself was born at Shottsburn Cottages, Salsburgh, Shotts - does anyone know the location of these places and of the miners row named the "Zulu Row"? ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [McMines] Coal mines Salsburgh,Harthill, Shotts > > From List of Mines worked under the Coal Mines Regulation Act, in Lanark > (eastern part of), during the Year 1896. > http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RBurt/MinHistNet/1896-08.htm > > name Dewshill > place Harthill > owner Coltness Iron Co. Ltd., Newmains > Manager John Jeffrey > Under-manager W. Moffat > u/g workers 98 > surface workers 34 > product Household, Manufcturing & Steam coal > > hth > > Josh > > From: "Renee Gault" <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:46:18 -0400 > > Subject: [McMines] Coal mines Salsburgh,Harthill, Shotts > > To: [email protected] > > > > Does anyone have history an information on mines in this area - My grandfather and two uncles worked in one around > > the Salsburgh area - the name was Dewshill. I know from family research my grandfather Patrick Haggerty worked in > > the mines in 1908 - who owned these mines and can we still get information on employees names? Any information > > would be greatly appreciated - thank you. > > > > -- > > Using Virtual Access > http://www.soft-shop.com > > > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

Thank you listers for response and information re the mines in these areas. I am trying to determine the exact date my grandparents arrived in Scotland from Ireland - they were married in Ireland in 1901. It was interesting to me to find out that there was a coal mine named Linrigg at Newhouse as family birth certificates for six members (maybe more) lists them as being born inLinrigg Row, Salsburgh,Shotts. I myself was born at Shottsburn Cottages,Salsburgh,Shotts. Does anyone have any further information re the location of these cottages, also a miners row named the "Zulu Row"? Thanks for your help -

Jim Further to your note about William Turner Arnott and the contract at Talla Reservoir, there was an interesting article about this contract and the railways and locomotives employed on it in the Journal of the Stepenson Locomotive Society in October 1966., Unfortunately the author of the article has since died, but I now have the file of papers of which it was based, There is a memorial to those who died on the job at Tweedsmuir Church. There is also an article, based on part on that noted above, in The Scots Magazine for Nov. 1974. I believe the Whitehill and Polton pits at Rosewell date back before the period you mention, but a new winding shaft was sunk at Whitehill in 1878, which may tie in. Was Alison Sommerville the daughter of John and Harriet Sommerville? Best wishes Russell Wear

Hello, I am new to this list, my name is Peter Johnstone. My query concerns my gt-grandfather Peter Johnston and he worked,I believe, in various coal mines in the East/Midlothian area. The period I am concerned with is between 1861 and 1871. During this period he was living in Sauchenside, Chesterhill, Midlothian and I presume he was at the time working at Edgehead Colliery. He also died during this period (date not known) and in the 1871 census his wife,Jane, is described as an Annuitant. What I would like to know is, was this annuity a compensation award in the case of Peter having a fatal accident at work or was he prudent enough (rare in those days) to provide a pension for his wife in case of his demise? TIA Peter Johnstone Barwell Leicester. .

>From List of Mines worked under the Coal Mines Regulation Act, in Lanark (eastern part of), during the Year 1896. http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RBurt/MinHistNet/1896-08.htm name Dewshill place Harthill owner Coltness Iron Co. Ltd., Newmains Manager John Jeffrey Under-manager W. Moffat u/g workers 98 surface workers 34 product Household, Manufcturing & Steam coal hth Josh > From: "Renee Gault" <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:46:18 -0400 > Subject: [McMines] Coal mines Salsburgh,Harthill, Shotts > To: [email protected] > > Does anyone have history an information on mines in this area - My grandfather and two uncles worked in one around > the Salsburgh area - the name was Dewshill. I know from family research my grandfather Patrick Haggerty worked in > the mines in 1908 - who owned these mines and can we still get information on employees names? Any information > would be greatly appreciated - thank you. > -- Using Virtual Access http://www.soft-shop.com

Hi all, This query was addressed to me, but hopefully some of you list subscribers might be able to help? "Hello again Listers: I know that my g. grandfather William Turner ARNOTT was killed 29 June 1900 whilst trying to put a railway engine back on the tracks at Stanhope Bridge, near Broughton during the construction of the TALLA WATER WORKS - the engine rolled over and crushed him to death. At the time he worked for a Mr. John BEST, a general contractor from Edinburgh who took over the construction work of the Talla Reservoir on 27 January 1900. What I am trying to find out is where and when William Turner ARNOTT worked prior to 1900. In 1888, he worked as a coalminer (recorded on his marriage certificate to Alison SOMMERVILLE). Further anecdotal information received today, indicates that he was present when �they sank the Polton and Rosewell pits.� On the 1888 marriage certificate, William�s father, James Turner ARNOTT is listed as an �engine keeper�. If William worked with his father, this might explain the anecdotal information of his �being there� when they sank the aforementioned pits -- working the engines used to drive down the shafts. My question to these lists is: 1) where can I obtain records of the history of the above-mentioned coal pits to pin-point when they were sank. Thanks Jim Arnott Victoria, BC, Canada email: [email protected] " -- www.tasmail.com

The book that Mary is referring to is a record of the Veteran employees of the Fife Coal Co. employed by the Company at 15th august 1945 and at least 65 years old. I have in my possession a full copy of the book, which was presented to each veteran employee, and the directors of the company at that time. David Hunter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 September 2000 15:29 To: [email protected] Subject: [McMines] Fife Mining Book - photos & names I have some photocopied pages from an unidentified book or photo booklet on Fife mines. I wish I knew the name of this book and its year. What I have here is an index of names with addresses (looks like home address), and what I assume is place of work. I think it must be Bowhill or Fife Mining Co. If I could get specifics on the book's title and date, I could share the names with the LIST. The book appears to contain photographs of veteran employees, the photographer being Alex Smith of Cowdenbeath. The photos I have are of: The company's registered office, Leven Kinglassie Col. Bowhill Col. Lindsey Col, Kelty Lumphinnans No. XI & XII Lumphinnans No. I Mary Col., Lochore Blairdam Brickworks, Kelty Central Works, Cowdenbeath Central Office, Cowdenbeath Benarty Mine, Kelty Mary Searles in Kentucky ______________________________

Does anyone on the list know if any records were kept from the Friendly Societies, or Miner's Unions/Associations in Scotland in the mid to late 19th Century in the Lanarkshire mining regions and have they survived? If so, where would these records be today? Were there any records created concerning the assignment of company housing to miners or the payment of their rent or payroll that survive? Any information along these lines would be appreciated. Jo Teague

The book that Mary is referring to is a record of the Veteran employees of the Fife Coal Co. employed by the Company at 15th august 1945 and at least 65 years old. I have in my possession a full copy of the book, which was presented to each veteran employee, and the directors of the company at that time. David Hunter ----- Thanks so much, David, and Russell Ware, too, for your help on this. Now that I know the source, I wonder if anyone would like me to transcribe the list of employees I have here? Mary Searles in Kentucky > > The book that Mary is referring to is a record of the Veteran employees of > the Fife Coal Co. employed by the Company at 15th august 1945 and at least > 65 years old. I have in my possession a full copy of the book, which was > presented to each veteran employee, and the directors of the company at that > time. > David Hunter > > -----Original Message----- > ......... clip.........clip.......... What I have > here is an index of names with addresses (looks like home address), and what > I assume is place of work. I think it must be Bowhill or Fife Mining Co. > If I could get specifics on the book's title and date, I could share the > names with the LIST. The book appears to contain photographs of veteran > employees, the photographer being Alex Smith of Cowdenbeath. The photos I > have are of: > > The company's registered office, Leven > Kinglassie Col. > Bowhill Col. > Lindsey Col, Kelty > Lumphinnans No. XI & XII > Lumphinnans No. I > Mary Col., Lochore > Blairdam Brickworks, Kelty > Central Works, Cowdenbeath > Central Office, Cowdenbeath > Benarty Mine, Kelty >

In regard to the Fife Family History Society's meeting of a few days ago and the planned talk on mining, I'm afraid it didn't happen. Seems there was a fire in the hotel where the meeting was to be held. Too bad. I was looking forward to hearing about it. Mary Searles

Hi Listers My father-in-law's family lived in one of these rows of miner's cottages in the early 1900s and his father, James Rowan, worked at Barony Colliery. This branch of the Rowan family, James and Janet, and their six children migrated to Australia in 1928. There are many descendants living in Australia if anyone would like to make contact with us, we would love to hear from you. Best wishes, Janet Rowan [email protected]

Hi, I'm a new lister and am trying to locate the whereabouts of my great-grandfather's family pre 1881. They were all coalminers in various parts of Scotland. Known facts are: 1881 census, Parish of Slamannan in Stirling: No. 44 Lochside: William McINTYRE Head Married aged 54 Coalminer born Pollockshaws RFW Mary McINTYRE (nee GRAHAM) Wife aged 53 born Pollockshaws Charles McINTYRE son aged 18 Coalminer born KilmarnockAYR Thomas McINTYRE son aged 16 Coalminer born Kilmarnock Hannah McINTYRE daur age 14 Servant born Kilmarnock [Elder son, William McINTYRE (my gt-g'father) was married by this time, aged c28, and living in Kilmarnock with wife and 3 children.] Charles died 17 Nov 1893 at Muirend, Dalgety, Fife, and the rest of the family werealso in Fife by then. Where were these people pre-1881? I have searched 1871 Census films for all coal-mining areas in the counties of Ayr, Renfrew, Lanark, Stirling, Dunbarton without success, and am about to tackle the Lothian coalmining areas. I have also been unable to find birth/baptism records for either parents or son William (all supposedly born Pollockshaws) and cannot find other three children's births in Civil Reg. indexes. If anyone finds any "odd" McIntyres who are coalminers, please contact me. BTW, I have transcribed all McIntyre entries from 1871 Census films for counties mentioned above, if anyone would like me to look for their McIntyre ancestors. -- Jill Smith on the beautiful North Coast of NSW Australia Researching: in SCT- McIntyre (Ayr,Renfrew, Fife); Sangster (Fife & Midlothian); Bowman, Burt, Cunningham, Ferguson, Gibson, Nicol, Penman, Simpson, Stenhouse, Yule (Fife); Thomson (Glasgow, Lanark); in IRL - Burke (TIP); Reilly (LIM); Thompson, McGrath (LDY); in WLS - Evan, lewis, Jenkins, Jones (GLA)

My gg grandfather, James Maxwell,and ggg grandfather Angus Maxwell were coal miners living in the Larkhall / Dalserf area. Most of their 12 children were born in Dalserf. My gg grandfather was married in Dalserf to Janet Boyd in 1855. I have no records of them after that except their grave stones in the USA in the early 1900's. Angus married Janet Thomson in 1819 and they had 12 children between 1820 and 1839. I have no proven information on any of them, except James, but that many Maxwell's running around in the same place would have to be noticed by someone. I don't know if any of the other children were coal miners or not (don't know the history yet). If anyone has any information that would assist me in finding information about the family, I would appreciate it. Where they might have worked, where they might have lived or at this point, anything would be more than I have now. Thank you for any information you could give. Bob Maxwell ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

Could anyone tell me which mine or mines would have employed a resident of Bellshill from around 1892 to 1914? Needless to say it would have been within walking distance of home (now ~150 Clydesdale Road). I know that the name of the local pub was "The Cage"! A couple of years ago, I met the owners of the re-named pub, (Samoyed?) and had a wee draft in honour of the miners. TIA, Elizabeth

I suspect this is from either: The Fife Coal Company by A.S. Cunningham (1922) or Service Record Book of Veteran Employees (of the Fife Coal Co. Ltd) Pub. by Company in 1945 Russell Wear

Re this, for some reason the list for 1896 is unavailable on the page quoted. However it canb be reached via www.tidza.demon.co.uk/page26.html Russell Wear

Margie, would your James Pollock happen to be the son of William Pollock and Janet Watson, sister Jane/Jean Pollock? Sandra (Crane) Price California > Subject: [McMines] POLLOCK > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:00:05 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > All of you people seem to know the mines your relatives worked in, but I > don't. I have this Pollock family that I know some of the towns they worked > in because of birth places of their children, but I don't know the mines. > James Pollock and Christian Ormiston married 1796 in Renfrew, their first > several children born there or Barrhead, and then more born up to 1818 in > Campsie parish. Children were Christian 1798 m. Peter Buchanan in Campsie in > 1819; Alexander 1802, died young; William b. 1805 m. Janet Maitland in 1827 > in Campsie; James, 1804 or 1807, m. Elizabeth Findlater 1845 (probably second > marriage for both); Elizabeth, 1808 m. James Chalmers in Campsie 1826; > Alexander, 1809 m. Jean Findlater in 1832 and came to USA in 1852; Samuel > Pollock, 1813 m. Agnes McLuckie in 1840; Margaret Pollock 1815-1818; and John > Pollock, 1817 unsure of wife. > > I think all the sons were colliers and worked in Lanarkshire. Alexander had > five sons and a daughter that came with him to USA and their birthplaces were > Campsie, Passover, Gartsherrie, and Gartgill. > > Does anybody have lists of employees of any mines in these areas? Are any > POLLOCKS mentioned? (Would also be interested in BUCHANAN, CHALMERS, > FINDLATER, MCLUCKIE, OR MAITLAND.) thank you for any ideas or assistance. > Margie Pollock Bridges in California

I have some photocopied pages from an unidentified book or photo booklet on Fife mines. I wish I knew the name of this book and its year. What I have here is an index of names with addresses (looks like home address), and what I assume is place of work. I think it must be Bowhill or Fife Mining Co. If I could get specifics on the book's title and date, I could share the names with the LIST. The book appears to contain photographs of veteran employees, the photographer being Alex Smith of Cowdenbeath. The photos I have are of: The company's registered office, Leven Kinglassie Col. Bowhill Col. Lindsey Col, Kelty Lumphinnans No. XI & XII Lumphinnans No. I Mary Col., Lochore Blairdam Brickworks, Kelty Central Works, Cowdenbeath Central Office, Cowdenbeath Benarty Mine, Kelty Mary Searles in Kentucky

All of you people seem to know the mines your relatives worked in, but I don't. I have this Pollock family that I know some of the towns they worked in because of birth places of their children, but I don't know the mines. James Pollock and Christian Ormiston married 1796 in Renfrew, their first several children born there or Barrhead, and then more born up to 1818 in Campsie parish. Children were Christian 1798 m. Peter Buchanan in Campsie in 1819; Alexander 1802, died young; William b. 1805 m. Janet Maitland in 1827 in Campsie; James, 1804 or 1807, m. Elizabeth Findlater 1845 (probably second marriage for both); Elizabeth, 1808 m. James Chalmers in Campsie 1826; Alexander, 1809 m. Jean Findlater in 1832 and came to USA in 1852; Samuel Pollock, 1813 m. Agnes McLuckie in 1840; Margaret Pollock 1815-1818; and John Pollock, 1817 unsure of wife. I think all the sons were colliers and worked in Lanarkshire. Alexander had five sons and a daughter that came with him to USA and their birthplaces were Campsie, Passover, Gartsherrie, and Gartgill. Does anybody have lists of employees of any mines in these areas? Are any POLLOCKS mentioned? (Would also be interested in BUCHANAN, CHALMERS, FINDLATER, MCLUCKIE, OR MAITLAND.) thank you for any ideas or assistance. Margie Pollock Bridges in California

Web Sites For a list of mines in Scotland in 1896, see www.ex.ac.uk/~RBurt/MinHistNet/pdmhscot.htm There are some interesting notes on Fife Mines at www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits Books - General A History of the Scottish Coal Industry, Vol. 1 1700-1815 by B.F. Duckham (1970) Vol 2 not pub. Academic work, contains useful material on early mining A Short History of the Scottish Coal Mining Industry (Official NCB publication) 1958. Useful summary A History of the Scottish Miner by R.Page Arnot (1955) Social history of the miners and the Trade Unions. Contains useful bibliography Shale Oil Scotland by D. Kerr (1994) Very useful history of the shale oil mining industry. Privately published and hard to obtain. Books - Specific Areas Lanarkshire's Mining Legacy by G. Hutton (1997) Picture history of mining in Lanarkshire. Very good captions. Bibliography Mining - Ayrshire's Lost Industry by G. Hutton (1996) Same style as above. Mining - The Lothians by G. Hutton (1998) Another in this series Fife - The Mining Kingdom by G. Hutton (1999) Latest in this series. Coal Mining at Brora 1529-1974 by J.S.Owen (1995) Short history of ming in this isolated area Some Notes on the Coal Industry in Hamilton by W. Wallace(1985). Typescript notes on some of the pits in this area. Books - Specific Companies The Story of Shotts by A.Muir (c1952) Official history of Shotts Iron Co.and its pits The Coltness iron Co. by J.L. Carvel (1948) Officially sponsored history of this Company The New Cumnock Coal Field by J.L. Carvel (1946) Similar style to the above. The Fife Coal Company by A. Muir (c1952) Official history of this Company and its pits One Hundred Years in Coal by J.L. Carvel (1944) History of the Alloa Coal Co. Similar style to the others by Carvel The Wemyss Private Railway by A.W. Brotchie (1998) Contains good history of coal mining on Wemyss Estate Where Iron Runs Like Water by B. Watters (1998) History of the Carron Iron Co. including mines Hope this is of some interest. Only some of the more useful works have been noted - there are of course many others! Russell Wear