I am new to the list and have been "lurking" for a few weeks, just to get a flavour. I must say I'm impressed! My Dad was born in Bailliestone, Lanarkshire in 1926 and came from a long line of coalminers, all originally from Ireland. Edward COOGANS (the 'S' is usually, but not always, present) born Ireland 1836, married Mary COSTELLO, born Killaw(?) Co. Cavan, Ireland 1836. They were married in Coatbridge in 1852. James MALLON born Ireland 1832 married Ann LEONARD (LENNARD) Coatbridge 1856. My families were usually to be found in Bailliestone, Rutherglen, Coatbridge, and surrounding areas. I know that there are still plenty of COOGANSes in the area, but would appreciate some suggestions as to how i might be able to find other branches of my family. My Dad left Scotland when he was 19, when his mother died (she was a MALLON), and lost touch with his family. He had his 75th birthday last month, and feels he's left it too late to find anyone. I want to prove him wrong. Any suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Regards, Anne Marie Coogans Lewis England

I am looking for information on: George Baillie b. abt. 1861 in Govan died after 1885 as a result of a mining accident. He was married to a Jane (Jeannie) Clark b. abt. 1866 in Carmyle. They were living in Blantyre in 1885. They had at twin sons Robert Alexander Baillie and William Baillie. Jane Clark remarried a James Laing. Thanks Richard Laing

Seeking anyone who might be researching the following lines of people in Mining. James Beveridge b: Abt. 1840 d: Bef. 1908 Married Elizabeth Ewan Todd b: 21 April 1839 in Clackmannan, Clackmannan m: 29 June 1860 in Carnbrae, Holytown, Lanark d: Bef. 1908. Children included: Elizabeth b: 26 July 1861 in Bathgate, W. Lothian; Christina Ann b: 26 June 1863 in Bathgate; James b: 30 June 1865 in Torphichen, W. Lothian;Mary Todd b: 30 March 1867 in Torphichen; Joseph Todd b: 22 June 1869 in Bathgate; Janet b: 19 July 1871 in Armadale, W. Lothian; Ann b: 07 May 1873 in Armadale; William Beveridge b: 06 April 1875 in Armadale; David Allan b: 01 February 1878; Helen Beveridge b: 11 November 1880 in Armadale; Alexander Beveridgeb: 25 December 1882 in Armadale Robert White b: 13 December 1857 in Edinburgh, Midlothian d: 28 February 1912 in Ayr Road Cottage, West Calder Married +Euphemia Hunter b: 26 August 1863 in Kilbarchan, Renfrew m: 24 February 1882 in Canongate, Edinburgh Children included: Margaret b: 22 July 1882 in Edinburgh; James Hunter b: 08 March 1887 in Abbeyhill, Edinburgh; Jane b: 13 May 1889; William Hunter Gibson b: 13 August 1892 in Armadale, Linlithgow; Henrietta Hunter b: 22 February 1895 in Armadale; Euphemia Hunter b: 22 April 1898 in Armadale; May b: 22 April 1898 in Airbles Cottages, Motherwell; Stephen White b: 14 April 1900 in Armadale; Robert b: 27 June 1902 William Hunter b: 16 January 1797 in Newbattle, Midlothian d: Bef. 1882 married: Elspeth Thomson b: Abt. 1800 in Kirkcaldy, Fife m: 28 August 1819 in Newbattle, Midlothian d: 29 November 1882 in Jeffreys Land, Armadale Children included: Helen b: 03 March 1822 in Lasswade, Midlothian; Janet b: 16 November 1824 in Temple; William b: 10 May 1827 in Temple, Midlothian; John b: 18 October 1829 in Temple, Midlothian; Ebenezer b: 22 February 1832 in Stohhill Parish, Cockpen; Helen b: 1833 in Stobhill; Jennet b: 1835; John b: 1837; James b: 16 March 1839 in Bathgate Descendants of David Bisset David Bisset b: 1793 in Bothwell, Lanark d: 25 August 1861 in Bellshill, Lanark Married: Margaret Gillespie b: 11 December 1786 in Barony, Lanark m: 24 June 1810 in Old Monklands Parish d: Bef 1833 Children included: Thomas b: 23 December 1810 in Old Monklands; Mungo b: 01 April 1813 in Old Monklands, Lanark; Mary b: 06 March 1814 in Old Monklands; Robert b: 07 July 1816 in Old Monklands; Alexander Gordon b: 05 July 1818 in Old Monklands; David b: 16 July 1820 in Old Monklands; Margaret b: 1825; James b: 1826; Agnes b: 1827

John, It seems like Cumming/s was not an uncommon name in lowland Scotland & quite a few of them originated in Ireland. Most Irish emigrants being unskilled, worked in the iron industry or coal industry or even both. East Kilbride shares a boundary with High Blantyre at an area called Auchentibber which had extensive ironstone mines situated around the River Calder. Auchentibber had quite a mining community & about a third of them were Irish born. The 81 census only shows 1 William Cumming aged 56 (b Glasgow) working as a miner in Blantyre at Dixon's pit. This guy might well be shown in the picture I posted on the photos page at www.mcpitz.com There was Thomas Cumming working as a miner in Carluke, he was 36 years old & born in Blantyre. An Alexander Cumming aged 52 born in Blantyre, working as a storekeeper in Govan in Glasgow. I'm currently researching the involvement of the Irish in the Scottish mining industry & I'll hopefully post some stuff online soon, with an indication of which Counties in Ireland most Irish emigrants to the lowlands of Scotland originated from (so far, it seems predominately Ulster) There were no "disasters" in Lanark in the period you mentioned... depending on where you source your info, a disaster can mean a total fatality of 10 or more yet others classify the same as being in excess of 30 lives. Fatal accidents were common, mining was an extremely hazardous occupation, even by Victorian standards, & loss of life usually from "roof falls" was almost an everyday occurence. Have you checked with Ian Winstanley at his database to see if he has any details of your James Cumming's death? If not then go here.. http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Good Luck Jim Rouse <==============================<>=============================> A man cannae bear a' his ain kin aboot on his ain back. Genealogy Hamepage: http://homepages.go.com/~seimi/genes.html <===============================================================> <==============================<>================================>

Elizabeth, I believe Nackerty was in the parish of Bothwell adjacent to Old Monkland. What date was your grandfather working there? & what was his name? Cheers Jim Rouse <==============================<>=============================> A man cannae bear a' his ain kin aboot on his ain back. Genealogy Hamepage: http://homepages.go.com/~seimi/genes.html <===============================================================> <==============================<>================================>

John I cannot give you any info regarding the fatality but I can tell you that a 'hutch' in mining is a small wagon used to transport the coal or materials in and out of the mine. They varied in size but had no braking systems save sticking items in the spokes of the wheel or on the rail in front. There were many fatalities from runaways. Regards Ron Soutar Perth W. Australia John McLinden wrote: > Does any kind soul have details - or know where they can be found - of a > fatal accident at Lanemark Pit (coal) in late January 1878 where Alexander > McSevney was killed by a "hutch". > > I only know of a hutch being a medieval chest/cupboard or a small animal > shelter. What is it in the mining sense, please? > > Thanks for your help, > > J. > > ==== SCOTTISH-MINING Mailing List ==== > Visit the Dunaskin Museum > http://www.dunaskin.org.uk/ > <================================================> > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Does any kind soul have details - or know where they can be found - of a fatal accident at Lanemark Pit (coal) in late January 1878 where Alexander McSevney was killed by a "hutch". I only know of a hutch being a medieval chest/cupboard or a small animal shelter. What is it in the mining sense, please? Thanks for your help, J.

Looking for information about my GGGrandfather, James Cumming. He was listed on the 1841 & 1851 census for East Kilbride, Lanark, Scotland as an "iron stone miner" B. 1812 in Ireland. I can't find him on the 1861 census. Three of his sons were on the 1861 census for Old Monkland listed as "coal miner". Marriage records of children in 1863 for Lanark list James as deceased. He is not on the General Index of Deaths of Scotland (1855-63). I wonder if anyone knows if there were any mine disasters between 1851 to 1855 in Lanark. I am also searching for information on any Cumming/s and Crilly families from Blantyre who were miners in the same period. John Cummings

Brilliant new FREE online database on the Scottish Statistical Accounts. View it at: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi Cheers Jim in Tassie

33 Henrietta Street: Hugh SMITH, Head, Married, 36yrs, Coalminer, employed, born Galston (home has 2 rooms with one or more windows) Marion SMITH, Wife, married, 34yrs, born Galston Jeanie SMITH, Dau, unmd, 6yrs, scholar, born Galston Robert SMITH, Son, 3yrs 33 Henrietta Street: Thomas CLARK, Head, Married, 29yrs, Coalminer, employed, born Hurlford (home has 1 room with one or more windows) Annie Paton CLARK, Wife, mrd, 29yrs, born Galston John CLARK, Son, unmd, 8yrs, born Galston George CLARK, Son, unmd, 7yrs, born Galston Elizabeth CLARK, Dau, unmd, 3yrs, born Galston 35 Henrietta Street: George BORLAND, Head, Married, 40yrs, Coalminer, employed, born Galston (home has 1 room with one or more windows) Janet Robertson BORLAND, Wife, mrd, 40yrs, born Galston Annie BORLAND, Dau, unmd, 19yrs, Mill Worker, employed

Hello Judy, There were a great many pits around Cambuslang at that period around the late 1800's before the industry went into decline. Around Cambuslang there were some 9 or 10 Collieries operating one or more pits. But within a 3 mile radius in an area including Blantyre, Newton, Kirkhill, Shettleston, Rutherglen, Tollcross, and Kenmuir there were probably something like two dozen collieries. What might help you home in on the colliery your Henry Strachan worked in, is to have Des Garrity search the Poor Relief Index for you. I found my great grandparents living in Cambuslang where James Rouse claimed Poor Relief from the parish after fracturing his leg in a mine accident. From Des I obtained a great wealth of information, not only including the DOB's of all their children, but the addresses where they were born, how much James was paid per week & how much his rent was & how much he was granted for relief, it was the best value in genealogical terms I've encountered & well worth the few dollars Des charges to cover his costs. If you have your grandparents address in Cambuslang it might help locate trhe likely colliery he worked in. Cheers Jim Rouse (ex-Blantyre) Tasmania <==============================<>=============================> A man cannae bear a' his ain kin aboot on his ain back. Genealogy Hamepage: http://homepages.go.com/~seimi/genes.html <===============================================================> <==============================<>================================>

Hi Mary, > (although I don`t know where Nackeron or Nackerty was!) If you got this from a hand written record, it might be Thankerton in the vicinity of the present Mossend rail freight yard, about three miles south-east of Coatbridge. Josh --

Janet I cannot tell you anything about the HUNTER family except it was a fairly common name in the Arniston /Newtongrange area but I do have some information on the Emily pit which was what the original Arniston Colliery shaft was called. It does not say when the shaft was sunk but it was already working for a while in 1860 when it was sunk to 960 feet making it the deepest pit in the east of Scotland. The Emily and the Gore pit continued working until they were closed in1962. I remember it well as I was working at a nearby pit at that time and had to go there for electrical spares for our pit (Lingerwood Colliery). The information on the arniston colliery is from an excellent book that I picked up in Edinburgh on a trip there last year. It is called 'Mining the Lothians' by Guthrie Hutton. It is published by Stenlake Publishing in association with the Scottish Mining Museum at Lady Victoria Colliery, Newtongrange. It has lots of historical information and pictures of almost all collieries (both coal and shale oil) Regards Ron Soutar Perth W. Australia Janet White wrote: > My great great grandfather, William Hunter, was the mining oversman for at > least 20 years at the Arniston Colliery (owned by Robert Dundas) in 1842 > (per testimony given before the mining commission). His wife was Elspet > Thomson. I would be interested in anyone with information on this family > and/or the Arniston Colliery. > > Janet White > > ==== SCOTTISH-MINING Mailing List ==== > Visit the GENUKI Fife website > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/ > <================================================> > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

This testimony re the Arniston Colliery might be of interest to list members. Janet White Testimony of William Hunter, Mining Oversman, Arniston Colliery before the Commission on Children's Employment in Mines and Manufacturies. First Report 1842 from Parliamentary Papers 1842(381).XVI.I pp 453-454 "I have been 20 years in the works of Robert Dundas, Esq., and had much experience in the manner of drawing coal, as well as the habits and practices of the collier people. Until the last eight months women and lassies were brought below these works, when Mr. Alexander Maxton, our manager, issued an order to exclude them from going below, having some months prior given intimation of the same. In addition to the exclusion of females, no boys will hereafter be permitted to be brought under 12 years of age, and not then, unless they are qualified in the reading and writing: They require to be examined prior to going below. Boys of 14 years of age perform their duties with greater care and quickness. The improved mode of railing roads and ventilating economises time, and men now find they have no one to depend on but themselves, go more regularly to work, and take nearly as much money with one or two boys as when the whole family went below. In fact, women always did the lifting or heavy part of the work, and neither they nor the children were treated like human beings, nor are they where they are employed. Females submit to work in places when no man or even lad could be got to labour in: they work in bad roads, up to their knees in water, in a posture nearly double: they are below till the last hour of pregnancy: they have swelled haunches and ankles, and are prematurely brought to the grave, or, what is worse, lingering existence. Many of the daughters of the miners are now at respectable service. I have two former mine women in families in Leith, and who are much delighted with the change.

Hi Robert, Thank you for sharing this with us. My great-great-grandfather was killed in a pit accident in 1857, so I appreciate reading this description of the harrowing scene at the pithead. -- Jill Smith on the beautiful North Coast of NSW Australia

Hi there, My family were predominantly from Old Monkland, Coatbridge,Legbrannock, Drumpark Bothwell and thereabouts and were mostly coalminers. I`ll list the names and hopefully someone will see something that interests them. INNES - (Occasionally called INNIS) Earliest I`ve got is in 1851 Census John (and James INNES his brother?) living in Dundyvan,Coatbridge - Coalminer born Ireland. Married in 1851 and obviously moved a lot within the area as each of his 9 children were born at a different place including - Merrystoun Square in Coatbridge, --Nakerton,- Brown Square, Langloan, Coatbridge - Woodhead . They also lived at Aitkenhead - Langmuir - Garbraid, Bargeddie - Drumpark. All of these addresses were near collieries (although I don`t know where Nackeron or Nackerty was!). They were Catholic. My grandfather had 8 brothers all born in Dunns Row, Dippies Square or Gartshore Square, all Drumpark in Old Monkland. 2 of the brothers went to TRANENT in East Lothian around the beginning of the 1900`s to work in the pits there and stayed, marrying local girls - Robina King and Bridget Luby also from coalmining families. I would love to know more about these branches of the family. MCGEE/MCGHEE/ MAGEE - again, Coalminers born in Ireland. Earliest is in 1851 census (Householders of the address lived in by my Innes (above)! and John went on to marry the daughter of the house, Catherine MCGee). The McGEE`s lived at Dundyvan, Coatbridge and later Merrystoun Square, then Spittals Row all Coatbridge. No other details. GRIBBEN - Coalminers. Earliest is 1859 when Patrick Gribben married Sarah Currans in St Margaret`s Chapel Airdrie. She was from Legbrannock and they lived there in 1861 Census but later moved to Newarthill, Bothwell. In 1861 Census Patrick said he was born in Co.Down. Son Samuel married Isabella MCGOLDRICK in 1887 at St Patrick`s Coatbridge. McGOLDRICK - Coalminer`s. Lived around Coatbridge, Craigneuk. Earliest is William McGoldrick apparently born approx 1837 in Ireland but I haven`t even managed to find his death cert. William married Rose Ann Clifford in 1860 in Coatbridge. CLIFFORD - Coalminer`s. Coatbridge but originally came from Ireland (I think) around 1840-1850. Have evidence that some of the family stayed in Liberton area of Edinburgh while `my` side came to Lanarkshire. SINCLAIR - Earliest is 1861 Census at Aitkenhead Colliery near Coatbridge.All Colliers. Earliest, Alexander and son John both stated to be born in Ireland. Son, John Sinclair married in 1857 at Dalbeth Cottage near Clyde Iron works in Glasgow. John married Jane KELLY, also from Coalmining family living at Clyde Ironworks. WARD - Lived around Clyde Ironworks in later part of 1800`s. Coalminers. I`d be really interested in hearing from ANYONE who thinks they may know of any of these families or who may be related in ANY way. Mary, now living in the Scottish Borders.

My great great grandfather, William Hunter, was the mining oversman for at least 20 years at the Arniston Colliery (owned by Robert Dundas) in 1842 (per testimony given before the mining commission). His wife was Elspet Thomson. I would be interested in anyone with information on this family and/or the Arniston Colliery. Janet White

My grandfather Henry STRACHAN was born and began down the mines in Crookedholm, Kilmarnock but at some stage in the late 1890s or early 1900s he, his wife and children moved to Lanarkshire, where he continued work as a coal miner. They lived at Halfway, Cambuslang. Does anyone know which coal mine(s) he would have worked at when living in Cambuslang? Henry STRACHAN died in 1918 at the age of 45, from Pneumonia Arterio Sclerosis. He left behind a wife and ten children, the youngest of which (my father) was three days off his third birthday. The history of coal mining produces a lot of sad stories. Regards Judy Strachan

Hello Robert, I hope everyone else on the list reads this. I am proud to say that I come from a long long list of Scottish coalminers and your father's story moved me to tears. Thank you for sharing it with us. Best wishes Annie Stuart. [email protected] > For a view of the article my Dad wrote about a mining accident in the early > 1900s please got to: > http://www.bodhrandrums.com/MacDaid%2C%20Blood%20to%20Burn.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi to the list, I have been waiting to put a request in, I was not sure if anyone could give me information. I believed that my gr grandfather's family was in the coal mine's in ayr around 1860's. Both sides lived at Dalry. But I read the information Sandy wrote and got very excited. The names I am looking for are John Malcolm and wife margret mackie/ john Nesbit and wife mary anderson. Sandy is it possible that my John and your robert are related? Johns father was a archibald nesbit. Please let me know. Patty