Hi Tom, In the 1861 census, John BROWN and his family, including my great grandfather Alexander BROWN lived in district 1 house 70 Draffan Cottage, Lesmahagow parish. In 1865 John died in Southfield, Lesmahagow,where he was still mining. For all I know, Southfield and Draffan may be the same place. In 1854, John and his wife's (Frances JOHNSTON) sixth child, Frances was born in Lesmahagow parish and in 1856 their seventh and presumably last child, Alexander was born in Kirkmuirhill, Lesmahagow parish. Their older children were born in New and Old Monklands. John's widow, Frances died in Southfield, Lesmahagow in 1881. John's father, Hugh BROWN, was also a miner at Faskine (?) mine, probably in Old Monkland. More probably about my family than you wanted to know, but that's all I have on Draffan. I wonder if Southfield is a house or farm? Russ in Vermont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas W. Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [McPitz] Re: Draffan Gas Coal Pit > Russell Brown wrote, on 17 March 2001: > > Subject: [McPitz] Re: Draffan Gas Coal Pit > > > > Does anyone know of information on the Draffan (?) gas coal pit? My > > GGGrandfather, John Brown, was "oversman" at that mine in 1861. My best > > guess is that it was in the Lesmahagow area. Only four years later he > died > > from complications due to a mining accident. Thanks > > Russell Brown > > Russell, my GF, Thomas WILLIAMSON, was born at Draffan in Lanarkshire in > 1878, he migrated with his family to the USA in 1880 or 1881, and he died in > Alabama in 1929 as a result of a mine accident. My wife and I visited > Scotland in 1995 and went to both Lesmahagow and Draffan. Draffan is shown > on our Granada AA road atlas of Britain: it is about four miles N-NW of the > village of Lesmahagow and about one mile east of the M74 highway. It is not > really even a community now, being only about four buildings, two of which > are on one farm. We also visited the Craignethan Castle about 1-1/2 miles > east of Draffan: a very interesting castle. The attendant fellow at the > castle shop told us that he had heard of two mines in the area, the Draffan > and the Fense, but he did not know the exact locations. We did do some > research at the local library in Lesmahagow, but did not succeed in finding > out anything about mines in the area. The library at the town of Lanark is > well equipped with a history and genealogy section, but on two visits there > so far we have not found out much about the mines in the area, which however > may be more our own failing than the librarians'. > > I would appreciate learning anything you may find out about the Draffan > mine/mines, as I am sure that my GGF (Robert, father of Thomas) worked > there: he was of a long line of miners in Ayrshire and Lanarkshire. I have > considerable information on this line, and want to post some queries about > them on the appropriate lists, but just have had insufficient time to > compose proper queries. Please share with me and/or the list what you learn > about the Draffan mine. I will try to share anything more I may learn, as > well. > > Tom Brown in Virginia, USA > > > ==== SCOTTISH-MINING Mailing List ==== > Visit the Scottish Mining Museum > http://www.scottishminingmuseum.com/ > <================================================> > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Hello everybody I am looking for information regarding the White family and a family variously named Gribben/Grubbin/Gubbin(s) from the Bathgate area. All the men seem to have been miners. I have established James Grubbin, married to Margaret McCallum, in the 1881 census but cant pinpoint David White, married to Grace Malone. Thomas and Robert White may be David's brothers or uncles. Does anyone have any information please. Thanks for any help. Helen.

Russell Brown wrote, on 17 March 2001: Subject: [McPitz] Re: Draffan Gas Coal Pit > Does anyone know of information on the Draffan (?) gas coal pit? My > GGGrandfather, John Brown, was "oversman" at that mine in 1861. My best > guess is that it was in the Lesmahagow area. Only four years later he died > from complications due to a mining accident. Thanks > Russell Brown Russell, my GF, Thomas WILLIAMSON, was born at Draffan in Lanarkshire in 1878, he migrated with his family to the USA in 1880 or 1881, and he died in Alabama in 1929 as a result of a mine accident. My wife and I visited Scotland in 1995 and went to both Lesmahagow and Draffan. Draffan is shown on our Granada AA road atlas of Britain: it is about four miles N-NW of the village of Lesmahagow and about one mile east of the M74 highway. It is not really even a community now, being only about four buildings, two of which are on one farm. We also visited the Craignethan Castle about 1-1/2 miles east of Draffan: a very interesting castle. The attendant fellow at the castle shop told us that he had heard of two mines in the area, the Draffan and the Fense, but he did not know the exact locations. We did do some research at the local library in Lesmahagow, but did not succeed in finding out anything about mines in the area. The library at the town of Lanark is well equipped with a history and genealogy section, but on two visits there so far we have not found out much about the mines in the area, which however may be more our own failing than the librarians'. I would appreciate learning anything you may find out about the Draffan mine/mines, as I am sure that my GGF (Robert, father of Thomas) worked there: he was of a long line of miners in Ayrshire and Lanarkshire. I have considerable information on this line, and want to post some queries about them on the appropriate lists, but just have had insufficient time to compose proper queries. Please share with me and/or the list what you learn about the Draffan mine. I will try to share anything more I may learn, as well. Tom Brown in Virginia, USA

Does anyone know of information on the Draffan (?) gas coal pit? My GGGrandfather, John Brown, was "oversman" at that mine in 1861. My best guess is that it was in the Lesmahagow area. Only four years later he died from complications due to a mining accident. Thanks Russell Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken MacDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: [McPitz] Lindsay, Fallin > I am trying to trace the Lindsay family who emigrated to Bexley NSW > Australia abt 1926. They were last known to be living in 'The Blocks' > Fallin. Are there any lists giving the names of tenants of The Blocks? > > Ken > > > ==== SCOTTISH-MINING Mailing List ==== > Visit the GENUKI Ayrshire website > http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/genuki/AYR/index.htm > <=======================================================> > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

I am trying to trace the Lindsay family who emigrated to Bexley NSW Australia abt 1926. They were last known to be living in 'The Blocks' Fallin. Are there any lists giving the names of tenants of The Blocks? Ken

unsubscribe JoAn Phillips Hoskins , Orlando,FL Email- <[email protected]> Home Page- <http://www.geocities.com/johos2001/> USGW Census Project <http://www.us-census.org/ IPFT [Internet Phillips Family Tree ] <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~internetphillipsfamilytree> WEBMASTER: DEB PHILLIPS in Arkansas <http://[email protected]> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: [McPitz] accident at Gartgill/Coatbridge > Has anyone found any accidents that would have killed miners shortly before > they took the 1851 census in the Gartgill/Coatbridge area of Lanarkshire? I > have a 32 year old widow Agnes Pollock with five children including a 10 day > old child in the Old Monkland parish in 1851 census. Searching for what > happened to Samuel Pollock b. 1813 Campsie parish, collier, m. 1840 to Agnes > McLuckie. Thanks for any leads, Margie Pollock Bridges > > > ==== SCOTTISH-MINING Mailing List ==== > Visit the GENUKI West Lothian website > http://freespace.virgin.net/david.howie/genuki/ELN/index.html > <============================================================> > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Has anyone found any accidents that would have killed miners shortly before they took the 1851 census in the Gartgill/Coatbridge area of Lanarkshire? I have a 32 year old widow Agnes Pollock with five children including a 10 day old child in the Old Monkland parish in 1851 census. Searching for what happened to Samuel Pollock b. 1813 Campsie parish, collier, m. 1840 to Agnes McLuckie. Thanks for any leads, Margie Pollock Bridges

Has this list stopped operating. I have seen nothing for about 10 days Ron Soutar

My ggrandfather James Young born 1825 was occupied as a "bottomer" in a mine at Carfin. Would there still be mining there and what would a "bottomer" be required to do? David

Good Morning: I am interested in the lunch pails. My character is mining in BothwellHaugh in 1906. What would he have in his lunch pail? I know that the bottom would have ale. Thanks Jan

List, A while back a number of individuals sent me some information related to Durhamtown, Bathgate, West Lothian, SCT. I'm now on the prowl for more data. My reason for this message: Does anyone know if there are any records related to the personnel that worked at Bathgate Durhamtown Mines? If so maybe they would state where the individual was born along with other employment data that is common when one is hired. I am having no luck in finding out where my GGfather was born. The 1881 census states "Ireland" not much help. There are a few other Norton families on the same street "xx Durhamtown" so I am guessing that they must be related in some manner. One stated he was born in Queens, Ireland which I "assume" is the County of Leix/Laois. That is a start but would involve a great deal of searching to even find what parish he came from or it would be a brick wall. From the Marriage Register (1870) I have found his father and mothers name Michael Norton/Mary Dunn(s)(e) both deceased and that Patrick lived Durhamtown in 1870. Any help would be appreciated Bob Alberta, Canada

Thanks to all who replied to my query on Lithuanian miners. it seems that the names are indeed Lithuanian. I will just have to find out why they came to Scotland via Poland. Since both countries have a tradition of coal mining one would assume that it was work that made them take that route to Scotland . I will try to follow up on any publication dealing with the Lithuanians in Scotland. one last thing. Are records kept in Register House or other archives of people who change their name by deed poll? Ron Soutar Perth WA (ex Colliery Electrician, Lothians Area)

The latest additions to the Support pages at www.mcpitz.com are, I've tacked on some forums from the Research Names page (which is still being worked on) There's several forums, where you can post any queries or questions for the different mining areas. While you're there, check out the mining related photos, perhaps you have one or two, yourself you'd like posted? Cheers Jim <==============================<>=============================> Little wit in the heid maks muckle traivel tae the heel. <==============================<>================================>

Hi Jim, Over the years I've had some correspondence regarding the Lithuanians who settled in Scotland. My wife's side of the family has connections to the Lithuanians who came to Stevenston in Ayrshire. Hope the following para is helpful It's taken from our threetowners website. "The Lithuanians in Scotland: a personal view" by John Millar. 1998. Published by House of Lochar, Isle of Colonsay, Argyll, PA61 7YR . Price £13.99 plus postage. Paperback with 166 pages. "John Millar is a Scot born of parents who left Lithuania before the Great War to escape persecution and find employment in industrial central Scotland. Through a selection of reminiscences from members of the Lithuanian community in Scotland and his own detailed research he traces their struggle for survival in an alien world." John grew up in Stevenston John is a member of the Largs Family History Society and a regular visitor to Ardrossan Library. I believe you can make contact with him through the librarian there Jill McColl. [email protected] I'm unsure regarding availabilty of the book in general though I had heard it's available through inter-library loan in the USA. Hugh McCallum http://www.threetowners.com Ardrossan - Saltcoats - Stevenston

Hullo Ron, There were a great many Lithuanians migrated to Scotland in the later decades of the 19th century & the early decades of the 20th. Like the Irish who preceded them, they were unpopular because of their ethnicity & also more importantly because the coalmasters would use them as strike breakers. Guthrie Hutton in his "Lanarkshire's Mining Legacy" makes mention of the fact that around 6,000 of them settled in Lanarkshire, principally around the Bellshill, Carfin area. A lot of them were incorrectly referred to as "Poles", most probably due to ignorance or indifference, language difficulties too, in all probability would play a part in this. The names you mentioned, don't look Polish, but perhaps someone better qualified on this might enlighten us? Incidentally, on the mcpitz webpages, I posted a list of miners killed in my hometown of Blantyre in the 90 years from 1870 to 1960... there were several miners with very similar names to yours killed in the early 1900's. I'm not aware of any records retained on these migrants, but would be interested to know... perhaps there's a Lithuanian Society in Scotland? Cheers Jim Rouse <==============================<>=============================> A man cannae bear a' his ain kin aboot on his ain back. Genealogy Hamepage: http://homepages.go.com/~seimi/genes.html <===============================================================> <==============================<>================================>

Marion, Newarthill and Motherwell are still there today. A little bit SE of Glasgow. Or from Hamilton (which is SE of Glasgow) go NE to Motherwell and further NE to Newarthill. Very near each other. I'm not sure which parish they are/were in. Mary Searles > Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:21:04 -0800 > From: "Marion C. Musgrove" <[email protected]> > Can anyne tell me where Newarthill and Motherwell are/were in 1840's > > Neither is listed in Lanark OPRs for Lanark. >

Hi List and Marion, You asked - Can anyne tell me where Newarthill and Motherwell are/were in 1840's Neither is listed in Lanark OPRs for Lanark. Newarthill is in the district of Holytown according to my ggfathers birth certificate. Finding it was always a deadend till I went to Scotland last summer. On most records (census) Bothwell was always listed. Don't know why. The OPR's (the 1995 Mormon list) only have 1 film for Holytown and its the Free Church. The other listing refers to and says See Bothwell. It is still a place, I went through there in late May. Small but its still there. It is NE of Motherwell. My names in that area are Russell, how about you? Motherwell is also still around, its a little north east of Hamilton on a road A723, if you have a map. Not sure what place it falls in on the OPR's. Judi Ferguson Sawyer email [email protected]

Hi My uncle was a miner called Willie Young. We knew this was not his real name as we thought that his family came from Lithuania. I have since found his birth certificate and he was registered Wincas Yankauckas. He was born in 1907 in Carfin, Lanarkshire and his parents were Jouzas Yankauckas and Ona Kulvaites. The certificate said they were married in Poland. My two queries are 1) Does anyone on the list know if they are Polish or Lithuanian names and 2) Is there any record or history of European immigrants within the coal industry in the late 19th/early 20th centuries? I worked with some in the mines in the 1960's but thay were mainly Poles or ex German POW's who chose to stay in Britain after the war

Hi Marion, on Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:21:04 -0800 you wrote > Can anyne tell me where Newarthill and Motherwell are/were in 1840's Motherwell = Dalziel Newarthill was in Bothwell Parish then Holytown District from 1855. hth Josh --

Please do send me the URL A map of the area will, hopefully, put this in perspective. My g-g-grandparents lived in Newarthill after they were married. But their first child was b. in Old Monkland, 2nd and 3rd in Newarthill, 4th in Motherwell, and 5th Newarthill. then they emigrated to U. S. c 1848. Am trying to figure out whether this was because they were moving around or????? Many thanks Marion From: "David Hamilton" <[email protected]> Bothwell parish and Dalziel parish respectively ~~~~~~~~~~ From: "WILLIAM JOHN SHEPHERD, SR." <[email protected]> Newarthill was part of the parish of Bothwell and civil district of Holytown. My great grandfather, William Sinclair, was born there in 1881. Not sure about Motherwell .zz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Donna Agro <[email protected]> To: "Marion C. Musgrove" <[email protected]> Motherwell is about 5 miles south of Coatbridge and about the same distance northwest of Wishaw. Newarthill is approximately 2 miles northeast of Motherwell.