Here is one site about Border Collies. Christine http://www.gis.net/~shepdog/BC_Museum/Permanent/BC_History.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edbld" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] " Highland " Clearances > I thought that the Border Collie had the best temperment for herding sheep. > Can anyone say for sure when they were introduced and when ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce K McGill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearances > > > > The Highlanders were certainly discriminated against. Actually, still > > discriminated against. Even "Monty Python ..." had running gags making fun > > of people's attitudes. > > > > There is no evidence that I've seen, though, that says that there was an > > ethnic motivation. Look at perhaps the most flagrant example ... > > Renfrewshire. That was purely a clan chieftain (chieftanesse?) who cleared > > the whole shire strictly for monetary reasons. > > > > I don't think the Highlanders "herded" cattle. Certainly not in the same > > sense as herding sheep. Some of them did herd sheep when they were > > introduced. The Lowlanders brought in, though, had the experience and > > temperament to do the job better. > > > > It isn't like the Lowlanders replaced the Highlanders. Where it had take > > several families to farm a piece of land, it only took one Lowland > shepherd > > to take care of all the sheep on that farm. > > > > There is no way the purpose of The Clearances was to replace the > Highlanders > > with Lowlanders. Very few Lowlanders moved in as a result, and most of the > > Highlanders were left to fend for themselves still in the Highlands. > > > > Only a relatively small percentage of those who had been cleared were > > deported. The rest were left to their own devices, just not on the farms. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > From: Steven Lyday <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:08:04 -0700 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearances > > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > > Resent-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:12:33 -0600 > > > > > > Hi Malcolm, > > > > > > I am not sure that "ethnic cleansing" is that far off the mark. The > > > fact of the matter is that Scotland was comprised of two sets of ethic > > > peoples. The Gael Highlander and the Lowlander. They did not understand > > > each other. The prevailing view of the lowlander was that the Highland > > > was referred to as "wild Irishmen" and to some "The only good > > > Highlander was a dead Highlander" > > > > > > After Bonnie Prince Charlie's defeat at Culloden 1746 eradication of the > > > troublesome Highlanders started in earnest. > > > > > > The fact of the matter is that whether clearances were done by: > > > -the absentee chiefs themselves > > > -by English who purchased the land > > > -by English who received land seized after Culloden > > > > > > the goal in most cases was to get rid of the indigenous people. > > > > > > In most cases it was to "improve the land" i.e. make it more profitable. > > > There were other cases where the people were cleared to make room for > > > red deer and or increase grouse cover to improve his lordships hunting. > > > > > > Bottom line was that the goal for many was to get rid of a race of > > > people, "the Gael". One question that I have is why bring in southern > > > shepherds with the sheep. The Highlanders had been herding cattle for > > > hundreds of years. Were sheep too complicated for them? I do not > > > thinks so. > > > > > > Clearance Reading: > > > Great outlines; > > > http://www.celtic-connection.com/lit/clearanc-12-96.html > > > http://members.aol.com/skyewrites/clrchron.html > > > > > > Articles: > > > http://members.aol.com/skyewrites/menu9.html > > > > http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Hty_Sct//High_Clr/Mem/High > _C > > > lr.html > > > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/sclearstrath.htm > > > > > > Re, > > > > > > Steven Lyday > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >