Norma, I think you've said (clearly and effectively) what many of us would like to have said --- but did not, for fear of further smoking up the scene. There are all kinds of people out there in cyberspace and we can expect to get some ignorant ones on the genealogy lists too (THOUGH THIS ONE TOOK THE CAKE<G>) In truth I HAVE found this particular list to be quite unfocussed (with moderator sponsored fluff like "how long have you been involved in genealogy"???<G>) but the Census fight update was COMPLETELY relevant and, I'd have thought, of vital interest to anyone working in the field. As you pointed out, the flamers were obviously NOT genealogists, were on the wrong list and were simply ( and humorously) rude. What was amazing to me was how concerned some folks seemed to get --- and the ludicrous suggestion that the fight over Canadas bureaucratic power-grab on census data, was a political issue that might be considered as seperate and distinct from genealogy --- and not appropriate for this list. Thanks for an excellent review. Stuart Grant (Point Roberts, WA --- Searching ships records for Scotland to Canada 1906-08) WHITE; MacPHERSON; SHAW; ROBERTSON; STUART; GRANT --- all Braes of Glenlivet --------------------------------------------------------I X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:51:01 -0400 From: Norma Brown <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <B8E79308.18A40%[email protected]> Subject: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Re Corinne and our census fight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For those who wish, hit the delete button now! I think Corinne, on behalf of herself, said it all in the following message ( dated 14 Apr 2002) retrieved from the archives for the [email protected] list. "Understanding" is not one of her big accomplishments. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:23:33 -0700 From: Corinne Freethy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Please help Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Listers Please understand that when tell you that i don't know or understand anything about studying the following Census, Church and Vital records Etc, i mean it. ____________________________ Her letter is a very sad commentary on her own lack of understanding of genealogical records. If the genealogy community and other interested groups do not unite in the 1906 and 1911 census-fight then we may never see another census released. Then where will Corinne be? I have the feeling that if someone could "give" Corinne her family tree, back to Adam and Eve, then she would be a happy camper and perhaps would really do what she promised earlier today---- > I'm really getting tired of these messages so as of right now i'm unsubbing > from the SCOTS-IN-CANADA mailing list, i really find it a waste of time and > don't have time to read such messages from gordon, Please do not reply to > my message thanks i am trying to keep my email box from being flooded. To those who think that a once-a-week memo on the subject of the census debate would be enough then you don't understand the way the parliamentary system works. When things start moving on Parliament Hill then they do take off quickly. Hard to believe but true! If the constituents (in this case the genealogists and other interested groups) do not continue to express a strong interest in the release of the 1906 and 1911 census returns then Stats Canada will continue to be in control. The chief statistician has taken a stand which he is not going to willingly back down from.... even though he and his organization are breaking the law! It will take a directive from Parliament to get Stats Canada to pass the already microfilmed 1906 census to the National Archives. Just remember that a few years ago it was the plan of Stats Canada to destroy the 1906 and maybe also the 1911 census returns. This census fight has probably generated more mail from Canadians and others than any other subject that our Members of Parliament and Senators have ever encountered. We owe it to ourselves and future generations to keep our messages in front of the MPs and Senators. Thank you to Gordon Watts and the hard-working census group. Have learned much about access to freedom requests and non-votable private member bills. Also to Global Genealogy and its support. And to Dennis, thank you for your masterfully crafted message earlier today. Norma --------------------------------------------- ______________________________