Hi Cheryl, This is a perpetual peeve on just about every list. But even if everyone listens and resolves to do a better job in future of editting their replies, like a New Years Resolution, it will be forgotten tomorrow. All you can do is live with it. I would be overjoyed if people could only remember to edit out the tag-lines. Cheers! Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Maynard" <camsintrepid@yahoo.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] could I ask a favor? > > It's off the Scots in Canada topic, but it pertains to the method of replying which seems rampant on this particular list more so than many others. I subscribe to the digest version of this list and several others to try to keep the number of emails I receive daily to a manageable number. It seems as though virtually every digested version contains 3 or 4 fascinating bits of information which get lost in the clutter of previous emails attached to replies. In other words, I reply to your request for info about MacLeans in Mull. I leave your email for information at the end of my reply. You reply back thanking me for the information. You keep my reply which has not only my information but your original post. Is there any way to cut, eliminate or drastically reduce this from happening? I understand that some posters are more aware of how to do this than others, and I understand that each email system is different and a bit daunting to a new user. But the "delete" key works real! > ly well to eliminate this continuous stream of wasted space. Please. > > I know this has been addressed previously several weeks abo, so I have hesitated to bring it up again. But it is beginning to overwhelm me. I don't want to miss anything pertaining to my research, but I fear I might. > > Thank you so much for your time and understanding, > > Cheryl > > Searching for MacLeans, MacQuarries, McIntoshes and Elliotts in Cape Breton, NS, Canada and probably somewhere in Scotland, as yet unknown

If possible, could SKS do a marriage lookup for MATILDA FERGUSON AND ROBERT H. SHEPPARD. I am not sure of the date but she was born in 1880. Thank you so much for the help. Barb

Hello, I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone is researching the name Ballantyne. My GGGrandfather John Ballantyne lived in Montreal in the 1870's, originally from Glasgow, Scotland. Thank you, Shari

Hamilton town in Scotland is in the county of Lanarkshire!The local family history society is the "Lanarkshire family history society," formerly known as the Hamilton family history society, see http://www.google.com for further details. Jimmy McPherson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

I have Uist ancestry North and South in my grandmother Christina McKiggan born 8 May 1869 at North Boisdale who married Archibald McPherson of Glasgow at Shettleston parish church 5 april 1895 they died at Glasgow. Archie on 8 Feb 1939 and Christina on 25 Sep 1935. Christina was the daughter of John McKiggan of Creagorry, Uist born circa 1840 died 13 Nov 1913 Boisdale married to Ann Mclean 8 August 1868 in North Uist.Ann was a daughter of Andrew McLean & Effie McLean of North Uist.Inverness-shire.Ann died 27 feb 1918 South Boisdale. looking for Mckiggan links who migrated to Prince Edward island Canada. Jimmy McPherson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

How true, how true Steven. Man's inhumanity to man. There own people in many cases. The Scots turned on their own kind. Karl E. Wahl, researching on the McEwens. Bellevue, WA, USA

Hi again Steve, The bit about the Clearances made me think that I have a lot about the Clearances bookmark and filed, it made me go take a look, I found this that might be of interest to you, or even may provide a contact for you. Cheers Christine http://globalgazette.net/gazbl/gazbl135htm ps. if this URL doesn't work try typing it in.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lyday" <slyday2@cox.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: Scottish Clearance Ships > >> > >> > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Steve, Thanks, been called many things in my day but don't think I have ever been called gentle.......; ) Cheers Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lyday" <slyday2@cox.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: Scottish Clearance Ships > Hi JoAnn, > > I am afraid that Christine is being too gentle. The shortest answer is > the "ethnic cleansing" of the Highland Scotts by their own cousins. > I am finding many sites on the clearances. > > If you are interested I would start at: > > http://www.theclearances.org > > The short simple story is: > > -The clearances started abt 1745 and have run until present. > -The Highlands were run by clans. > -The land was "owned by the clan", but individuals would pay a small > rent to the clan chief based on the size of land that they were using. > -Some of these chiefs moved to Edinburgh or London with their income > coming from these rents. > -With in a generation of so, many of their Descendents would have never > even seen the land that they derived their income much less speak the > language of their cousins (Gaelic). > -Living in town started to cost a lot of money. > -To meet these expenses they raised the rents. > -The problem was these lands were poor. > -In the case of the Western Isles most income came from cattle and > harvesting of kelp. > -After the war with Nepolian (sp) the price of cattle drop. > -abt 1820 the bottom fell out of the kelp market > -The absentee landlords figured out that they could double the rent if > they rented for sheep (four legged clansman) > -To do this they had to get rid of their cousins who had lived there for > hundreds if not thousands of years. > -They turned much of Scotland into a green desert. > -Granted that there were some landlords who did this better than others. > -Benbecula and S. Uist were owned by a Col Gordon, he was one of the worst . > -In many cases it was handled with fire and clubs. > -If you burned the roof timbers the house was not longer able to provide > shelter. > > If you are interested further I suggest poking around the net. I have > found many sites. Most have links to others. > > Regards, > > Steven Lyday > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > > > Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > From: > > > > "christine" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> > > Date: > > > > Mon, 13 May 2002 07:26:02 -0400 > > To: > > > > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Hi JoAnn, > > > >Steve is looking for passenger lists that came to Quebec in 1851, part of a > >clear out of the area of South Uist in Scotland, the people were either very > >poor or wouldn't swear allegiance to... or produce for the "landlord" of the > >day, so the landlord had agents that cleared the folks out, no questions > >asked, to acquire the land for the use of the "landlord", for his purpose > >mainly grazing sheep, many times there homes were burned out as well, that > >is basically what the Clearance is. These folks were given the promise of > >land, a new way of life in the new country, a lot of times they were coming > >to uncleared, unproven land and conditions were very hard/different in > >comparison to what they were used to. Not really ideal conditions. Hence it > >became called "Clearance". > > "Clearance Ships" became a name tagged onto the ships that brought the > >folks that were "cleared out" to new destinations....new lands......far > >different than the people were used to.......Ships passenger lists of any > >era can be a good way to find out if and when your ancestors came to a > >given area. > >These ships that came in to Quebec in 1851 there is no track of passenger > >lists anywhere, and I assume Steve is trying to track down some ancestors > >that came from that area at that time. > >Hopefully this helps a bit. > > > >Cheers > >Christine > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <bonaccordfarm@nethawk.com> > >To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 11:20 PM > >Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > > > >>Guess I missed something. What exactly was the purpose of Scottish > >>Clearance Ships? JoAnn > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "christine" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> > >>To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:18 PM > >>Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > >> > >> > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It's off the Scots in Canada topic, but it pertains to the method of replying which seems rampant on this particular list more so than many others. I subscribe to the digest version of this list and several others to try to keep the number of emails I receive daily to a manageable number. It seems as though virtually every digested version contains 3 or 4 fascinating bits of information which get lost in the clutter of previous emails attached to replies. In other words, I reply to your request for info about MacLeans in Mull. I leave your email for information at the end of my reply. You reply back thanking me for the information. You keep my reply which has not only my information but your original post. Is there any way to cut, eliminate or drastically reduce this from happening? I understand that some posters are more aware of how to do this than others, and I understand that each email system is different and a bit daunting to a new user. But the "delete" key works real! ly well to eliminate this continuous stream of wasted space. Please. I know this has been addressed previously several weeks abo, so I have hesitated to bring it up again. But it is beginning to overwhelm me. I don't want to miss anything pertaining to my research, but I fear I might. Thank you so much for your time and understanding, Cheryl Searching for MacLeans, MacQuarries, McIntoshes and Elliotts in Cape Breton, NS, Canada and probably somewhere in Scotland, as yet unknown --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

Diana, Here is a site for a museum about the Great Lakes and History of the Great Lakes, perhaps you will find a link that may help you with what you are looking for. You may have to type URL in yourself. Cheers Christine http://www.marmus.ca/marmus/research.html

No problem at all......at least you got it, that's the main thing. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: 411 site > Thanks, Christine! It worked, I have it. > > LOL, ain't technology great? *grin* Thanks for sending "somehow" > > -Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christine > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > > > Hi Diana, > > I thought that was you looking for 411 on another list yesterday, but for > some reason I couldn't get the message to go, and the message has come > through again, I'll reply to this one SCTCDN........go to the British > Telecom site........I can't for some reason send out URL's that open just > now.....so go to Google.....type in British Telecom......when Google finds > the pages it is the very first one......click on it, once the page has > loaded, go to far right where there is a list......click "family and > friends".....then a page for looking up people should appear.....hope this > is a help. > > Christine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > > > > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a > place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years > and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger > lists for those particular ships? > > > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And > is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a > different one back in the 1800's? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Diana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steven Lyday > > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > > > > Hi Christine, > > > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to > 1865. > > > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, > 1847. > > > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > > living there today). > > > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > > penniless to owning his own farm. > > > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > > where there so that they could collect them. > > > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > > > Steven Lyday > > > > >Hi Steven, > > > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > > >Christine > > > > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands > of > > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do > post > > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good > luck. > > > > > >Christine > > >* > > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of > vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British > Government > > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. > John, > > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > > >* > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Diana, I thought that was you looking for 411 on another list yesterday, but for some reason I couldn't get the message to go, and the message has come through again, I'll reply to this one SCTCDN........go to the British Telecom site........I can't for some reason send out URL's that open just now.....so go to Google.....type in British Telecom......when Google finds the pages it is the very first one......click on it, once the page has loaded, go to far right where there is a list......click "family and friends".....then a page for looking up people should appear.....hope this is a help. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks, Christine! It worked, I have it. LOL, ain't technology great? *grin* Thanks for sending "somehow" -Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: christine To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships Hi Diana, I thought that was you looking for 411 on another list yesterday, but for some reason I couldn't get the message to go, and the message has come through again, I'll reply to this one SCTCDN........go to the British Telecom site........I can't for some reason send out URL's that open just now.....so go to Google.....type in British Telecom......when Google finds the pages it is the very first one......click on it, once the page has loaded, go to far right where there is a list......click "family and friends".....then a page for looking up people should appear.....hope this is a help. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. 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Thank you, Steven! This gives a wealth of information...no luck yet in what I was looking for, but I did happen to peruse the rest of the page and went through some of the general items and found info on the Great Lakes and shipping, which interested me. My husband's gg-grandfather supposedly worked the docks around Lake Michigan, so reading about this was of value to us. Thanks again! -Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Lyday To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:22 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: Scottish Clearance Ships Hi Diana, There are a number of ships list sites. None would meet your expection. I like the following for a start for Canada. http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/thevoyage.html In the middle of the page there is a table with years. If you click on the year it will list the ships for that year. Regards, Steven Lyday Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:41:09 -0500 To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? Thanks so much! Diana ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi JoAnn, I am afraid that Christine is being too gentle. The shortest answer is the "ethnic cleansing" of the Highland Scotts by their own cousins. I am finding many sites on the clearances. If you are interested I would start at: http://www.theclearances.org The short simple story is: -The clearances started abt 1745 and have run until present. -The Highlands were run by clans. -The land was "owned by the clan", but individuals would pay a small rent to the clan chief based on the size of land that they were using. -Some of these chiefs moved to Edinburgh or London with their income coming from these rents. -With in a generation of so, many of their Descendents would have never even seen the land that they derived their income much less speak the language of their cousins (Gaelic). -Living in town started to cost a lot of money. -To meet these expenses they raised the rents. -The problem was these lands were poor. -In the case of the Western Isles most income came from cattle and harvesting of kelp. -After the war with Nepolian (sp) the price of cattle drop. -abt 1820 the bottom fell out of the kelp market -The absentee landlords figured out that they could double the rent if they rented for sheep (four legged clansman) -To do this they had to get rid of their cousins who had lived there for hundreds if not thousands of years. -They turned much of Scotland into a green desert. -Granted that there were some landlords who did this better than others. -Benbecula and S. Uist were owned by a Col Gordon, he was one of the worst . -In many cases it was handled with fire and clubs. -If you burned the roof timbers the house was not longer able to provide shelter. If you are interested further I suggest poking around the net. I have found many sites. Most have links to others. Regards, Steven Lyday > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > From: > > "christine" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> > Date: > > Mon, 13 May 2002 07:26:02 -0400 > To: > > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi JoAnn, > >Steve is looking for passenger lists that came to Quebec in 1851, part of a >clear out of the area of South Uist in Scotland, the people were either very >poor or wouldn't swear allegiance to... or produce for the "landlord" of the >day, so the landlord had agents that cleared the folks out, no questions >asked, to acquire the land for the use of the "landlord", for his purpose >mainly grazing sheep, many times there homes were burned out as well, that >is basically what the Clearance is. These folks were given the promise of >land, a new way of life in the new country, a lot of times they were coming >to uncleared, unproven land and conditions were very hard/different in >comparison to what they were used to. Not really ideal conditions. Hence it >became called "Clearance". > "Clearance Ships" became a name tagged onto the ships that brought the >folks that were "cleared out" to new destinations....new lands......far >different than the people were used to.......Ships passenger lists of any >era can be a good way to find out if and when your ancestors came to a >given area. >These ships that came in to Quebec in 1851 there is no track of passenger >lists anywhere, and I assume Steve is trying to track down some ancestors >that came from that area at that time. >Hopefully this helps a bit. > >Cheers >Christine > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <bonaccordfarm@nethawk.com> >To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 11:20 PM >Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > >>Guess I missed something. What exactly was the purpose of Scottish >>Clearance Ships? JoAnn >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "christine" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> >>To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:18 PM >>Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships >> >>

G'day Steven, Thanks very much for the information. I have so far only had a brief look at the first site but it shows clearly that many highlanders came to Australia as a result of the clearances. Best regards Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Lyday <slyday2@cox.net> To: Peter Ferguson <pbi@austarnet.com.au> Cc: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Scottish Clearence Ships > Hi Peter, > > I am not an expert on the clearences but I have been doing some > research. I know that I have read that there were instances that the > captain of the ship would open his orders a couple of days out. It > would be at that time he would find out if he was going to Canada or > Australia. > > Here are a couple of sites on the clearances that I have found interesting: > General > > http://www.theclearances.org/ > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/clearances.htm > http://www.macgowan.org/higclear.html > http://www.macgowan.org/links.html (Great Links page) > http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/kerr/clearances.htm > http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Hty_Sct/High_Clr/Mem/High_ Clr.html > > > ------------------------------------- > This site has info on ships to Australia > Highland and Island Emigration Society > > http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/emigration.htm > > > thclearances.org lists thest ships going to Australia > > Allison <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=14> > London Geelong 20-12-1852 > Andromache > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=51> London > Geelong 08-11-1848 > Aurora <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=61> > London Geelong 07-12-1848 > Bussorah Merchant > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=52> London > Geelong 26-06-1850 > Charlotte Jane > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=54> London > Port Jackson 08-10-1848 > Express <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=48> > Port Phillip 00-06-1863 > Georgiana > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=13> London > Geelong 16-10-1852 > HMS Hercules > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=65> London > Adelaide 26-07-1853 > HMS Hercules > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=65> London > Port Phillip 03-08-1853 > James Fernie > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=40> London > Adelaide 17-11-1854 > James Moran > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=11> Greenock > Port Jackson 11-02-1839 > John Barry > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=12> London > Port Jackson 08-09-1837 > Lady Kennaway > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=18> London > Port Jackson 11-08-1838 > Minerva <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=20> > Greenock Port Jackson 23-01-1838 > Neptune <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=66> > London Port Phillip 26-10-1853 > Ontario <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=50> > Liverpool Port Jackson 26-11-1852 > St George <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=53> > Port Jackson 15-11-1838 > William Miles > <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=49> Bristol; > London Moreton Bay 19-01-1855 > > Search results 1-18 > > Hope this gets you started. > > Regards > > Steven Lyday >

Hi JoAnn, Steve is looking for passenger lists that came to Quebec in 1851, part of a clear out of the area of South Uist in Scotland, the people were either very poor or wouldn't swear allegiance to... or produce for the "landlord" of the day, so the landlord had agents that cleared the folks out, no questions asked, to acquire the land for the use of the "landlord", for his purpose mainly grazing sheep, many times there homes were burned out as well, that is basically what the Clearance is. These folks were given the promise of land, a new way of life in the new country, a lot of times they were coming to uncleared, unproven land and conditions were very hard/different in comparison to what they were used to. Not really ideal conditions. Hence it became called "Clearance". "Clearance Ships" became a name tagged onto the ships that brought the folks that were "cleared out" to new destinations....new lands......far different than the people were used to.......Ships passenger lists of any era can be a good way to find out if and when your ancestors came to a given area. These ships that came in to Quebec in 1851 there is no track of passenger lists anywhere, and I assume Steve is trying to track down some ancestors that came from that area at that time. Hopefully this helps a bit. Cheers Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <bonaccordfarm@nethawk.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Guess I missed something. What exactly was the purpose of Scottish > Clearance Ships? JoAnn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "christine" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > > Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > > Christine > > http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steven Lyday" <slyday2@cox.net> > > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note > > > regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. > > > These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and > > > S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were > > > completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of > > > them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears > > > that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for > > > this period that might contain published passenger lists? > > > > > > > > > TIA and Re, > > > > > > SPL > > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > > > >Does anyone have access to or can point me to a resource that might > > > >contain the passenger list to the following ships: > > > > > > > >Brooksby Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 28-08-1851 > > > >Montezuma Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 30-08-1851 > > > >Perthshire Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 10-09-1851 > > > >Admiral Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 01-10-1851 > > > >Liskeard Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 18-10-1851 > > > > > > > >They all left the port of Lochboisdale, Isle of South Uist, Inverness, > > > >Scotland in Aug 1851 with the destination of Quebec, Canada > > > > > > > >Look forward hearing from you. > > > > > > > >TIA and Re, > > > > > > > >Steven Lyday > > > >slyday2@cox.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the > word > > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > > email to do it. 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Hi Diana, There are a number of ships list sites. None would meet your expection. I like the following for a start for Canada. http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/thevoyage.html In the middle of the page there is a table with years. If you click on the year it will list the ships for that year. Regards, Steven Lyday Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:41:09 -0500 To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? Thanks so much! Diana

Guess I missed something. What exactly was the purpose of Scottish Clearance Ships? JoAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > Christine > http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Lyday" <slyday2@cox.net> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note > > regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. > > These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and > > S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were > > completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of > > them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears > > that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for > > this period that might contain published passenger lists? > > > > > > TIA and Re, > > > > SPL > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >Does anyone have access to or can point me to a resource that might > > >contain the passenger list to the following ships: > > > > > >Brooksby Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 28-08-1851 > > >Montezuma Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 30-08-1851 > > >Perthshire Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 10-09-1851 > > >Admiral Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 01-10-1851 > > >Liskeard Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 18-10-1851 > > > > > >They all left the port of Lochboisdale, Isle of South Uist, Inverness, > > >Scotland in Aug 1851 with the destination of Quebec, Canada > > > > > >Look forward hearing from you. > > > > > >TIA and Re, > > > > > >Steven Lyday > > >slyday2@cox.net > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi again Diana, Have just checked and Wentworth County is the same as the 1800's. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <carmichael@sctelcom.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. 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