Just wondered. I guess I didn't see the following. I only noticed her name and that she was part of a third or fourth generation. I went to HS with a Jane McNaughton who married a Canadian and I wasn't aware of her married name! JoAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thistle" <brustout@sover.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] McPherson SCT>NY>ONT > At 08:54 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >How old would Jane McNaughton be? JoAnn > > I'm not sure I understand your question JoAnn. Here's her info again and > I'll send you the family line if you want. > Peggy > > > > > + Jane McNaughton b. 4 Feb 1800 Glenlyon, Perthshire, SCT > > > (chr at Fortingall, Perthshire) > > > d. 12 Jan 1871 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

At 08:54 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, you wrote: >How old would Jane McNaughton be? JoAnn I'm not sure I understand your question JoAnn. Here's her info again and I'll send you the family line if you want. Peggy > > + Jane McNaughton b. 4 Feb 1800 Glenlyon, Perthshire, SCT > > (chr at Fortingall, Perthshire) > > d. 12 Jan 1871 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont,

How old would Jane McNaughton be? JoAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thistle" <brustout@sover.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] McPherson SCT>NY>ONT > Here is my McPherson lineage...... > > 1. Donald MacPherson abt 1701 - 1723 Kingussie, INV,SCT > +Mary Robertson abt 1711 - unk Kingussie, INV,SCT > children: > Malcolm chr 1725 Kingussie, INV,SCT > Elspet chr 22 Jun 1728 > 2. Duncan chr 6 Feb 1736 Kingussie, INV,SCT > d, 1807 Wheatland/Caledonia, NY > Original Elder of the First Presbyterian Church Of Caledonia (est 1805) > Listed on register of elders as having died on or before 1807 (dated 4 Mar > 1805 on sheet) > + Catherine Campbell abt 1748 Badenoch, INV, SCT, d. Caledonia, NY > married 29 Jan 1761 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > children: > Hanna b. INV, SCT > John chr 22 Jun 1762 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > Isobell chr 1 Aug 1764 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > Alexander chr 21 Mar 1766 Kingussie & Insch, INV,SCT > Findlay b 1782 INV, SCT, d 1847 Mumford, NY > 3. Donald McPherson b 1770 INV, SCT, > d. 27 May 1846 buried in Mumford Cem, Genesee Co. ,NY > + Catherine Anderson b. 1784, d. 12 Sept 1818 Mumford Cem,NY > + Mary McMartin b. 1780, d. 8 Sept 1851 Mumford Cem, NY > children: > Catherine prob SCT > Eleanor prob SCT > John prob SCT > Alexander b. 1801 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > Donald b. 1806 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > 4. Duncan b. 22 Nov 1799 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > d, 8 Feb 1879 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN > + Jane McNaughton b. 4 Feb 1800 Glenlyon, Perthshire, SCT > (chr at Fortingall, Perthshire) > d. 12 Jan 1871 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN > children: > Jane Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > (5.) Catherine b. 24 Sept 1822 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > d. Nov 1875 & buried Ayr, Waterloo Co., ONT > + William Scott > Margaret b. 1824 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Elizabeth b. 1827 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Daniel b. 1829 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Mary b. 1832 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Malcolm b. 1834 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Ellen b. 1839 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Generation #2 Duncan came with other McPhersons and Scots from the Badenoch > area (Newtonmore, Kingussie, etc) to settle the Oatka River valley in > Monroe Co. NY (now Genesee Co.). Duncan's grave is nonexistant at this > time. I believe he was probably buried in Caledonia Presbyterian Cem as he > was a founding elder. All others are buried in Mumford cem down the road. > Duncan's daughter married Black Alex McPherson's son tying the two founding > McPherson families together. They may be already a connection between the > two but I haven't confirmed it yet. Black Alex of Crubinbeg, INV's lineage > is in the book The Mcpherson's of Genesee Country, Vols 1 & 2 by Donald > McPherson. > Duncan's (gen #4) uncle Findley McPherson (gen#3) married Mary McNaughton, > sister to Duncan's wife Jane McNaughton. > My McPherson's end with Catherine who marries William Scott. > Would love to hear if anyone has a connection....... > > Peggy > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Betty, I would suggest it means the registration of the death of a US citizen who died in Canada. It's a shame it doesn't say which consulate, because there are US consulates in major ciries right across the country...not the same as an embassy which is only found in a country's national capital. Cheers! Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "joel voorhees" <joelv@ntcnet.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] US CONSULATE > What does the death at U.S. Consulate in Canada mean? > > I found an old friend in the Social Security Death Index. I lost > contact with her when she moved from Boston, MA. It listed place of > death as: U.S. Consulate in Canada. > > Was she visiting? Was she in jail? What does this mean? She was a > great person - what happened? > > Betty > New York > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry! I left off the children of Donald's second wife Mary.... 3. Donald McPherson b 1770 INV, SCT, d. 27 May 1846 buried in Mumford Cem, Genesee Co. ,NY + Mary McMartin b. 1780, d. 8 Sept 1851 Mumford Cem, NY children: John Ellen Chrissy Mary Malcolm Interesting that there are duplicate names and that these children are listed as MacPherson (Mac not Mc)..... maybe to distinguish themselves from the first wife? No dates but all born in Ontario, Canada. Peggy

Here is my McPherson lineage...... 1. Donald MacPherson abt 1701 - 1723 Kingussie, INV,SCT +Mary Robertson abt 1711 - unk Kingussie, INV,SCT children: Malcolm chr 1725 Kingussie, INV,SCT Elspet chr 22 Jun 1728 2. Duncan chr 6 Feb 1736 Kingussie, INV,SCT d, 1807 Wheatland/Caledonia, NY Original Elder of the First Presbyterian Church Of Caledonia (est 1805) Listed on register of elders as having died on or before 1807 (dated 4 Mar 1805 on sheet) + Catherine Campbell abt 1748 Badenoch, INV, SCT, d. Caledonia, NY married 29 Jan 1761 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT children: Hanna b. INV, SCT John chr 22 Jun 1762 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT Isobell chr 1 Aug 1764 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT Alexander chr 21 Mar 1766 Kingussie & Insch, INV,SCT Findlay b 1782 INV, SCT, d 1847 Mumford, NY 3. Donald McPherson b 1770 INV, SCT, d. 27 May 1846 buried in Mumford Cem, Genesee Co. ,NY + Catherine Anderson b. 1784, d. 12 Sept 1818 Mumford Cem,NY + Mary McMartin b. 1780, d. 8 Sept 1851 Mumford Cem, NY children: Catherine prob SCT Eleanor prob SCT John prob SCT Alexander b. 1801 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY Donald b. 1806 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY 4. Duncan b. 22 Nov 1799 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY d, 8 Feb 1879 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN + Jane McNaughton b. 4 Feb 1800 Glenlyon, Perthshire, SCT (chr at Fortingall, Perthshire) d. 12 Jan 1871 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN children: Jane Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN (5.) Catherine b. 24 Sept 1822 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN d. Nov 1875 & buried Ayr, Waterloo Co., ONT + William Scott Margaret b. 1824 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN Elizabeth b. 1827 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN Daniel b. 1829 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN Mary b. 1832 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN Malcolm b. 1834 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN Ellen b. 1839 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN Generation #2 Duncan came with other McPhersons and Scots from the Badenoch area (Newtonmore, Kingussie, etc) to settle the Oatka River valley in Monroe Co. NY (now Genesee Co.). Duncan's grave is nonexistant at this time. I believe he was probably buried in Caledonia Presbyterian Cem as he was a founding elder. All others are buried in Mumford cem down the road. Duncan's daughter married Black Alex McPherson's son tying the two founding McPherson families together. They may be already a connection between the two but I haven't confirmed it yet. Black Alex of Crubinbeg, INV's lineage is in the book The Mcpherson's of Genesee Country, Vols 1 & 2 by Donald McPherson. Duncan's (gen #4) uncle Findley McPherson (gen#3) married Mary McNaughton, sister to Duncan's wife Jane McNaughton. My McPherson's end with Catherine who marries William Scott. Would love to hear if anyone has a connection....... Peggy

Joel: The way I understand it, is that the US maintains an embassy in Ottawa, and consulates in other large Canadian cities. consulates and embassies do more or less the same Job, helping US citizens in Canada. Canada has an Embassy in Washington DC, and consulates elsewhere, I believe one is in Chicago. Your friend was probably on the staff of the consulate. If I'm wrong on all this, someone is sure to pitch in and correct me. Bill Cocker, Courtenay, BC, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "joel voorhees" <joelv@ntcnet.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] US CONSULATE > What does the death at U.S. Consulate in Canada mean? > > I found an old friend in the Social Security Death Index. I lost > contact with her when she moved from Boston, MA. It listed place of > death as: U.S. Consulate in Canada. > > Was she visiting? Was she in jail? What does this mean? She was a > great person - what happened? > > Betty > New York > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Attention: Mary c/o "joel voorhees" <joelv@ntcnet.com Hi Mary, You would probably be best to check with the U.S. Government to explain that one. I assume that they are indicating on that particular record that the individual was in Canada and the record was written up at the U.S. Consulate since she was an American citizen. She may or may not have had an address here in Canada...for whatever reason. The U.S. government likes to keep track of its citizens no matter where they are at the time. Cheers Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "joel voorhees" <joelv@ntcnet.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] US CONSULATE > What does the death at U.S. Consulate in Canada mean? > > I found an old friend in the Social Security Death Index. I lost > contact with her when she moved from Boston, MA. It listed place of > death as: U.S. Consulate in Canada. > > Was she visiting? Was she in jail? What does this mean? She was a > great person - what happened? > > Betty > New York > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/02

What does the death at U.S. Consulate in Canada mean? I found an old friend in the Social Security Death Index. I lost contact with her when she moved from Boston, MA. It listed place of death as: U.S. Consulate in Canada. Was she visiting? Was she in jail? What does this mean? She was a great person - what happened? Betty New York

ATTENTION: Shari <Caddygrl92@aol.com> Hi Shari, The odds are that if John was a mason, he probably joined the masons in Montreal. You might want to try the Grand Lodge of Quebec at the Masonic Lodge headquarters on Sherbrooke Street in Montreal. Send an e-mail to glq@cedep.net attention: History and Research Committee. They might just be able to help you but do not hold your breath hoping they will get back to you quickly. Be sure to tell them of his affiliation with the masons in Scotland as it might narrow down their search. Regards Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: <Caddygrl92@aol.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Researching Ballantyne > Hello, I am new to this list and wondering if anyone else is researching the > name Ballantyne in Montreal. My GGGrandfather John Ballantyne and his wife > Hannah lived there in the 1870's, coming from Glasgow. They had a daughter, > Jennette, born in Montreal, 1872. Hannah died in 1875, buried in Mount Royal > Cemetery and I am trying to find John. Jennette died in Ohio in 1921. John > was a member of St. Clair Masonic Lodge in Dennistoun,Glasgow, Scotland. I > appreciate any help anyone could give me. Thank you, Shari > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi I am looking for a George(?) Taylor who came to Canada, possibly about the turn of the century (which I guess I should now distinguish as being abt 1900). The family story has it that he arrived, found gold and married a native. That is all I have to go on. The only George Taylor I can find in my history that would fit this plan would be George Taylor b: Abt. 1883 in Mains. Forfarshire whose father was George and mother Jane Cochrane. Has anyone any clues to his whereabouts? Monica from Ottawa

We'll try one more time http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/ken.henderson sorry Ken H -----Original Message----- From: Henderson [mailto:ken.henderson@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: May 19, 2002 3:00 PM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCTCDN] Henderson - Nova Scotia/Manitoba Sorry, my webpage address should have included .ca http://wwww3.ns.sympatico.ca/ken.henderson -----Original Message----- From: Henderson [mailto:ken.henderson@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: May 19, 2002 7:36 AM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCTCDN] Henderson - Nova Scotia/Manitoba I’m researching George Alexander Henderson, He was born 1813 in Kildonan/Helmsdale area of Scotland. He appears is River John, Nova Scotia prior to 1838 as he is listed on the tax list of that year. I was wondering if anyone on the list might have information on him or his family. Ken Henderson Nova Scotia http://www3.ns.sympatico/ken.henderson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002 ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002 ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002

Sorry, my webpage address should have included .ca http://wwww3.ns.sympatico.ca/ken.henderson -----Original Message----- From: Henderson [mailto:ken.henderson@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: May 19, 2002 7:36 AM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCTCDN] Henderson - Nova Scotia/Manitoba I’m researching George Alexander Henderson, He was born 1813 in Kildonan/Helmsdale area of Scotland. He appears is River John, Nova Scotia prior to 1838 as he is listed on the tax list of that year. I was wondering if anyone on the list might have information on him or his family. Ken Henderson Nova Scotia http://www3.ns.sympatico/ken.henderson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002 ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002

I’m researching George Alexander Henderson, He was born 1813 in Kildonan/Helmsdale area of Scotland. He appears is River John, Nova Scotia prior to 1838 as he is listed on the tax list of that year. I was wondering if anyone on the list might have information on him or his family. Ken Henderson Nova Scotia http://www3.ns.sympatico/ken.henderson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/2002

Attention: Lynn Johnson Clynnjohnson@worldnet.att.net If you have not already tried it you might want to track down the local branch for the Ontario Genealogical Society via their Web site. http://www.ogs.on.ca . In Canada, the farm communities were recorded on local maps according to the name of the farmer. Often you can follow local maps year after year and get genealogical answers like the father's name on one farm and later find that the farm has been broken up into smaller portions and the sons' names appear or you might find the names of several ancestors which point to the fact that husband and wives came from families that lived in the same community. Sometimes you can tell when someone died or moved on, simply by a name change on the county map. Often there is a history of the local community written a century earlier. These often only turn up at the local museums or genealogical societies which are interested in such things. People tend to find something of local historical interest as they clear out family homes and these items are often given to the local museum. Don't know if any of that helps but worth the followup. Happy grunting....that's short for 'genealogical hunting' Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmiller4@bellatlantic.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Hi Lynn, > > It seems there are a lot of people who are missing their relatives from > these census CDs. I wonder if the Canadian enumerators were a bit less > persistent than their British counterparts? > > David in Pennsylvania > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clara Johnson" <Clynnjohnson@worldnet.att.net> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > > > > Hi David, > > I have found that the 1881 Canadian census doesn't include many of my > > relatives. They were mostly farmers, so they were probably in the fields. > > My ggrandfather was not on the list, nor was his wife and children, but my > > gggrandfather was listed at their address. He was in his eighties. > > Lynn Johnson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David" <dmiller4@bellatlantic.net> > > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Lynn, I've had a little better luck than you've had, but not by much. I had done as Norma suggests, and used creative spelling. That way I was able to find one set of my g-g-grandparents. I've even searched for anyone living in an certain area by just first name and approximate birthdate. I know the enumerators had a rough job, and transcribing the handwriting on those census forms can sometimes be awfully tough. I've looked at enough of the US census images online to appreciate that. Still, it seems to me that there are a higher than normal percentage of errors on this CD set. That said, I'm glad to have it, and it's helped me a lot. David in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clara Johnson" <Clynnjohnson@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Hi David, > I accidentally deleted your message from the census. I had lots of > ancestors in Ontario in 1881. All four of my grandparents came from there, > but the only trace on the census is one great grandmother and one great > grandfather. Some of my relatives have been in Ontario since the early > 1880s, and their children and grandchildren are not in the census. I think > they did a poor job in Canada in that census. My ancestors were pioneers in > Bruce, Grey, and Prescott counties. They may have been somewhat isolated. > It's frustrating. > Lynn Johnson >

Norma, Yes, I have been creative with the spellings. Whole families are not recorded. They are not there. Lynn Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Brown" <browndm@sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census --- missing names??? > > It seems there are a lot of people who are missing their relatives from > > these census CDs. > > There have been a few messages re the number of "relatives" that cannot be > found in the 1881 Canadian census on CD. Have you tried all possible > spellings for the surnames? Have you been truly creative with the spelling? > Have you searched just for INTOSH instead of > McINTOSH? Apparently many of the Mc and Mac surnames are entered with a > space between the Mc/Mac and the rest of the name. Same for names like > O'Neil. Have you tried to place yourself in the position of the transcriber > who is faced with indecipherable penmanship, bad ink and poorly filmed > pages? Have you placed yourself in the position of the census-taker who > asked for a person's name and when the person could not provide a spelling, > provided his own version of spelling for the person's name? Have you > searched for all of the records for a specific community and gone through it > household by household---- perhaps the family was visiting with relatives on > the night of the census. > > If there is a member of the family with an unusual first name have you > searched for all people in the province, yes the whole province, who have > that given name? Have you searched using the second or even the third > Christian name of your "relative"? Some families never seemed to settle on > which given name to use with the census taker and some people were the > bearers of three, or more, given names. Every census time they hauled out a > new given name!! Some people were recorded using their pet-names. My great > grandmother was named Agnes, but my father always heard her called Nancy; so > when I found the death info for Agnes my father insisted it was not her. > > If the names still can't be found on the CDs, have you ordered the census > films on interlibrary loan and done your own search? Since you know what you > are looking for you will see things differently than the transcriber did. > > My own experience-- with farmers and laborer ancestors and their relatives-- > is that the people are there. But it might require more work on the > researcher's part than doing a simple search on a CD. It should not matter > that they were out in the fields in the day.... the census was intended to > record the people who slept at a certain address. I assume they did not > sleep under the haystack!! > > A brother of one of my direct ancestors was named Alexander. When found, > after much searching on the microfilms which is as close as we can get to > the original 1871 census, his given name was spelled "ELASANDIR". Would you > have thought to search for that spelling in the CDs? But finding this man > was important for my family research as he was the sole surviving male in > that family and he was the only one for whom a racial origin was listed. > > The CDs might be great as a searching tool but nothing can take the place of > spending hours hunched over a microfilm reader and learning about your > ancestors' neighbours, etc. > > Norma > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi David, I accidentally deleted your message from the census. I had lots of ancestors in Ontario in 1881. All four of my grandparents came from there, but the only trace on the census is one great grandmother and one great grandfather. Some of my relatives have been in Ontario since the early 1880s, and their children and grandchildren are not in the census. I think they did a poor job in Canada in that census. My ancestors were pioneers in Bruce, Grey, and Prescott counties. They may have been somewhat isolated. It's frustrating. Lynn Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmiller4@bellatlantic.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Hi Barb, > > I wasn't able to find any Robert Sheppard of the right age, give or take two > years, anywhere on the census. I did find a Findley Munro of the right age, > but he doesn't seem to fit your other criteria. > > Census Place: Dumfries South, Brant North, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375900 NAC C-13264 Dist 160 SubDist C Div 2 Page 13 > Family 62 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > Duncan MUNRO M M 39 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Mason Religion: C. Presbyterian > Sarah MUNRO F M 45 Scottish Scotland > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Janet MUNRO F 12 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Findley MUNRO M 10 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Betsey MUNRO F 8 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > James MUNRO M 6 Scottish Ontario > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Duncan MUNRO M 4 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > I've been unable to find some of my relatives on these census CDs, too. > > David in Pennsylvania > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb McBride" <rbhighlander@shaw.ca> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > > > > Dear Malcolm and David > > > > Thank you for trying to lookup my surnames for me. I am not sure what > else I can add to aid in the search. Their names are listed in the 1878 > historical atlas of Perth county. > > > > It states that > > > > DONALD C. MUNRO arrived to Canada in 1855 and was living in Downie > Township. Looking for a child by the name of Findlay in the family > approximate age 10. > > > > JOSEPH SHEPPARD arrived in 1857 was a farmer and was living in Wallace > township. Looking for a child Robert H. Sheppard approximate age 9 in 1881. > > > > Thank you both for the lookups. Maybe this information will help. > > > > Sincerely > > Barb > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> It seems there are a lot of people who are missing their relatives from > these census CDs. There have been a few messages re the number of "relatives" that cannot be found in the 1881 Canadian census on CD. Have you tried all possible spellings for the surnames? Have you been truly creative with the spelling? Have you searched just for INTOSH instead of McINTOSH? Apparently many of the Mc and Mac surnames are entered with a space between the Mc/Mac and the rest of the name. Same for names like O'Neil. Have you tried to place yourself in the position of the transcriber who is faced with indecipherable penmanship, bad ink and poorly filmed pages? Have you placed yourself in the position of the census-taker who asked for a person's name and when the person could not provide a spelling, provided his own version of spelling for the person's name? Have you searched for all of the records for a specific community and gone through it household by household---- perhaps the family was visiting with relatives on the night of the census. If there is a member of the family with an unusual first name have you searched for all people in the province, yes the whole province, who have that given name? Have you searched using the second or even the third Christian name of your "relative"? Some families never seemed to settle on which given name to use with the census taker and some people were the bearers of three, or more, given names. Every census time they hauled out a new given name!! Some people were recorded using their pet-names. My great grandmother was named Agnes, but my father always heard her called Nancy; so when I found the death info for Agnes my father insisted it was not her. If the names still can't be found on the CDs, have you ordered the census films on interlibrary loan and done your own search? Since you know what you are looking for you will see things differently than the transcriber did. My own experience-- with farmers and laborer ancestors and their relatives-- is that the people are there. But it might require more work on the researcher's part than doing a simple search on a CD. It should not matter that they were out in the fields in the day.... the census was intended to record the people who slept at a certain address. I assume they did not sleep under the haystack!! A brother of one of my direct ancestors was named Alexander. When found, after much searching on the microfilms which is as close as we can get to the original 1871 census, his given name was spelled "ELASANDIR". Would you have thought to search for that spelling in the CDs? But finding this man was important for my family research as he was the sole surviving male in that family and he was the only one for whom a racial origin was listed. The CDs might be great as a searching tool but nothing can take the place of spending hours hunched over a microfilm reader and learning about your ancestors' neighbours, etc. Norma

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <rbhighlander@shaw.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Dear Malcolm and David > > Thank you for trying to lookup my surnames for me. I am not sure what else I can add to aid in the search. Their names are listed in the 1878 historical atlas of Perth county. > > It states that > > DONALD C. MUNRO arrived to Canada in 1855 and was living in Downie Township. Looking for a child by the name of Findlay in the family approximate age 10. Here's 10-year old Findlay Munro: Census Place: Dumfries South, Brant North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375900 NAC C-13264 Dist 160 SubDist C Div 2 Page 13 Family 62 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MUNRO M M 39 Scottish Scotland Occ: Mason Religion: C. Presbyterian Sarah MUNRO F M 45 Scottish Scotland Religion: C. Presbyterian Janet MUNRO F 12 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Findley MUNRO M 10 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Betsey MUNRO F 8 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian James MUNRO M 6 Scottish Ontario Religion: C. Presbyterian Duncan MUNRO M 4 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian > > JOSEPH SHEPPARD arrived in 1857 was a farmer and was living in Wallace township. Looking for a child Robert H. Sheppard approximate age 9 in 1881. Still no sign of this lot. I allowed +/- 2 years on the age of Robert, but no luck anywhere in Canada. Could they have gone south of the border by then? Cheers! Malcolm