RATTRAY (RATTRIE) - 1775 - Airlie Parish of Kirriemuir, Dundee ROBERTSON - - 1775 - Airlie Parish of Kirriemuir DOIG - 1815 - Dysart, Fife FORREST - 1794 - Galway, Ireland MUIR - 1896 - Dundee GALL - 1892 - Dundee FOTHERINGHAM - 1866 - Dundee

It's time to shake that Family tree once more Good People and see what we can find. Come on everyone, let's have everyone posting, please. Thanks David. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002.

Sounds to me like the date of opne of the proclamations observing the two "marriage" records in the IGI and the Bible record showing a later date of marriage. It is quite common for IGI records to show two different marriage dates when the proclamation is made in two towns. The marriage if it occurred would be after the proclamation. Regarding the Minister's travel; my Great Grandmother was married in Nairn by the Rev. Grant of Forres. She was brought up in Forres but married in Nairn by the Minister from her home parish. HTH Regards Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Buller <jwbull@sk.sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Banns of marriage > Hi, > Back again with the marriage bann questions. These are the two IGI > entries for the couple I am researching. > > 1. Mary WILSON - International Genealogical Index / BI > Gender: F Marriage: 16 Jul 1841 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland > 2. Maria WILSON - International Genealogical Index / BI > Gender: F Marriage: 18 Jul 1841 Irvine, Ayr, Scotland > > I have viewed the parish register for entry #1, groom James Hunter is of > that (Ayr) parish and Mary is of the Irvine parish. > > Entry #2 is a patron submitted file. > > The entry I viewed is as follows: > 16th July, 1841 > James Hunter, labourer in this parish, Mary Wilson in the parish of > Irvine gave their names to be proclaimed in order for marriage and after > proclamation were married accordingly. > > Question: Is the 16th the date of proclamation with marriage following? > The phrasing of "after proclamation were married" indicates that the > entry was made after they were married? > > Family bible entry shows marriage of July 27, 1841, in Ayr, performed by > Rev. Dr. Robert Auld. Some entries in the Ayr parish register I have > viewed are signed by Rev. Auld. Would Rev. Auld also travel to Irvine? > > Could this parish entry and the patron submitted file be the same couple > with a two day difference from the parish register to what is found in > the patron submitted file? Would these even be likely candidates given > the bible entry marriage date? If the groom is from one parish and the > bride from another would banns of marriage be proclaimed in both > parishes? > > Anyone able to shed some light on my confusion? Thanks. > > Judy Buller > > ______________________________

> Aloha Listers: > > My little known Scot, Norman McLEAN was born on Skye around 1821. He > was in Victoria County, Ontario by 1843 for he married a Canadian, Mary > CAMERON in 1843. I have had no success finding any other information > about Norman or his siblings, if any. I found a likely family forNorman > in Hugh and Margaret Mc Lean buried in Knox Presbyterian Cemetery, (near > later McLeans) in Woodville, but nothing to prove it. Except that the > naming pattern works. > > These are the Norman McLean's children: Catherine 1845- married Ira > HOWE; Hugh 1846-; Magnus 1849-; Mary 1851-1925 married David FOREST;John > 1853-1908 my ggrandfather, married Margaret SPARK of Little Britain; > Margaret 1862-; Neil 1857-1932, married Isabella McKAY; Charles > 1860-1915, married Annie MUNRO; Margaret 1863-; Norman 1865-. > > Audrey on Maui in the Hawaiian Isles

More from that magic stash? D. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.Joudrey" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Two Good Sites > Two interesting sites, one about the Scots influence in Canada and another about the Scots influence in the States. > > http://www.newworldcelts.org/United%20States.html > > http://www.newworldcelts.org/canada.html > > Christine > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Marcia, Here is a great site for Western Land Grants. I have found many ancestors through this site. http://www.archives.ca/02/020111_e.html Good luck. Judy

Thanks to Sherry and Hilda for Brebner info. I'm going to work on your list, Sherry! Hilda, do you have info on John's parents and grandparents? If so, were they Scottish and where did they come from? The spelling of my ancestors in the 1800's was Brabner however I have come across one or two recorded as Brebner. I have traced the family back to Fifeshire in the 1700's and there are about nine different spelling variations in the records going back to the early 1600s. Brebner's could very well be related! Thanks. Judith (Sydney Aust)

Two interesting sites, one about the Scots influence in Canada and another about the Scots influence in the States. http://www.newworldcelts.org/United%20States.html http://www.newworldcelts.org/canada.html Christine

I am seeking info on my Glover Family. Walter Glover, wife Margaret NESBIT Glover and at least one child JESSIE GLOVER DYMOND (b. 5/28/1901- d. 5/26/2002) emigrated to Schreiber, Ontario in 1904. They had been life long residents of Hawick Scotland until that time. I do know that Walter, my Grandfather, Worked on the CPR as a Carman when in Ontario, later all moved to BIGGAR, SK. where Walter died aprox 1954. My Mother was born in Biggar, July 1914.(Margaret Isabella Glover) Walter was a Music teacher and Piano Tuner in Biggar. My question is......Where do I look for more info regarding the emigration from Scotland to Canada. I feel his parents and at least one Brother ( Robert) came with him at that time. I had been told it was to homestead land, but have not found how to research that at this time. Thank you Marcia Collins

Greetings All. For the past six days I have had the pleasure of having my son and two of my grand-daughters (aged 6 and 9) visiting me. On Friday morning I am taking them camping in my trailer for the weekend and on Monday morning they will start on their way home back to Calgary while I will return home. For the first time in the past five years I will not be taking my laptop computer with me and will be out of touch with the internet and my volumes of email. I will, however, be thinking about our efforts to regain public access to the Census records (in between swimming in the pool with my grand-daughters) and will try to catch up with my email on Monday. I am waiting for an article to appear in one of my own community newspapers and have just been contacted by another reporter for a paper in Enderby, BC. It is gratifying that some media people are starting to pay attention to our efforts. This is a result of our supporters contacting their local papers and reporters and writing letters to the media. Keep up the good work. With the help of you all, we will succeed. Thank you all for your support. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Thank you so much Janice, I am open to every suggestion, and nothing is obvious really as I have thought of so many scenarios that I am confused to say the least, yours however is very sensible. Thank you again. In His Grip Leslie Researching: Cerswell,Carswell,Speers,Sutherland,McBeath Heppleston,Thackray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice McNabb" <jmcnabb@vaxxine.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scots from Scotand to Canada > Hello Leslie > > Just a thought from my own experiences. > > Regarding the length of passage, my ggrandmother's obituary quotes the > following: > > Mrs. Strowger is one of the oldest citizens of Brantford. She was born Jan. > 13, 1834, near Ipswich, in Suffolk, England, and at the age of 13, came to > Canada. In spite of her youth and the number of years that have intervened, > she is able to tell about her journey from the settled land of England to > what was then considered the "wild" country of Canada. On the way over, the > ship, which was a fully rigged sail-boat, was becalmed off Newfoundland, > and it took her 53 days to come the same distance that it now takes no more > than a week. > > Also, apart from ports of entry, there is evidence in my own family history > of groups of families from the same communities in the UK (Scottish and > Irish) arriving in 'Muddy York' (Toronto) via Quebec and all moving into > the same few square miles of land, building snug societies of like-minded > individuals that persist even until today. For instance, if you check the > on-line 1871 census for a particular township and country of origin (e.g.: > Scotland and McNab township, or Ireland and Mulmur township), you will find > real patterns of settlement that echo the marriage relationships that > occurred within the community. Makes sense to me - neighbors and their > descendents were known quantities in an age when a great deal was uncertain. > (Ontario census http://130.15.161.15/census/index.html ) > > hope this isn't just overstating the obvious <g> > > Janice > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02

Hello Leslie Just a thought from my own experiences. Regarding the length of passage, my ggrandmother's obituary quotes the following: Mrs. Strowger is one of the oldest citizens of Brantford. She was born Jan. 13, 1834, near Ipswich, in Suffolk, England, and at the age of 13, came to Canada. In spite of her youth and the number of years that have intervened, she is able to tell about her journey from the settled land of England to what was then considered the "wild" country of Canada. On the way over, the ship, which was a fully rigged sail-boat, was becalmed off Newfoundland, and it took her 53 days to come the same distance that it now takes no more than a week. Also, apart from ports of entry, there is evidence in my own family history of groups of families from the same communities in the UK (Scottish and Irish) arriving in 'Muddy York' (Toronto) via Quebec and all moving into the same few square miles of land, building snug societies of like-minded individuals that persist even until today. For instance, if you check the on-line 1871 census for a particular township and country of origin (e.g.: Scotland and McNab township, or Ireland and Mulmur township), you will find real patterns of settlement that echo the marriage relationships that occurred within the community. Makes sense to me - neighbors and their descendents were known quantities in an age when a great deal was uncertain. (Ontario census http://130.15.161.15/census/index.html ) hope this isn't just overstating the obvious <g> Janice

Hi, Back again with the marriage bann questions. These are the two IGI entries for the couple I am researching. 1. Mary WILSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: F Marriage: 16 Jul 1841 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland 2. Maria WILSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: F Marriage: 18 Jul 1841 Irvine, Ayr, Scotland I have viewed the parish register for entry #1, groom James Hunter is of that (Ayr) parish and Mary is of the Irvine parish. Entry #2 is a patron submitted file. The entry I viewed is as follows: 16th July, 1841 James Hunter, labourer in this parish, Mary Wilson in the parish of Irvine gave their names to be proclaimed in order for marriage and after proclamation were married accordingly. Question: Is the 16th the date of proclamation with marriage following? The phrasing of "after proclamation were married" indicates that the entry was made after they were married? Family bible entry shows marriage of July 27, 1841, in Ayr, performed by Rev. Dr. Robert Auld. Some entries in the Ayr parish register I have viewed are signed by Rev. Auld. Would Rev. Auld also travel to Irvine? Could this parish entry and the patron submitted file be the same couple with a two day difference from the parish register to what is found in the patron submitted file? Would these even be likely candidates given the bible entry marriage date? If the groom is from one parish and the bride from another would banns of marriage be proclaimed in both parishes? Anyone able to shed some light on my confusion? Thanks. Judy Buller

Judith, I have a John A. Brebner, b. 1843, Ontario, Canada, in my family tree. He was married to Mercy Ann MacFarland, and lived in the Kingston, Ontario, area. I have a little more information which I'm quite willing to share. Hilda Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith" <khyber1@smartchat.net.au> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: Canadian Census - 1881 > Sherry, > In your reply to Kathryn I see that you looked for a name in the whole of Canada in the 1881 census. If its not too difficult would you mind looking for any Brabner (and spelling variations eg Brabiner, Brebner). Sorry I can't be specific with areas so if it is too big a task please don't worry. > Thanks. Judith (Sydney Aust) > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Judith There are none with Brabn* nor Brabin* variations but the Brebn* brought up 7 families. Sherry Census Place: Sarnia, Lambton, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375913 NAC C-13277 Dist 179 SubDist A Div 2 Page 80 Family 398 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John BREBNER M M 51 Scottish Scotland Occ: School Inspector Religion: Presbyterian Margaret BREBNER F M 44 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian James BREBNER M 21 Scottish O. <Ontario> Occ: Teacher Religion: Presbyterian Jane BREBNER F 19 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Mary BREBNER F 17 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Robert BREBNER M 15 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Jessie BREBNER F 13 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian John BREBNER M 8 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian George BREBNER M 6 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian David BREBNER M 2 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Margart BREBNER F <1 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Born: Oct; 6/12 _____________________________________________________ Census Place: Dereham, Oxford South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375902 NAC C-13266 Dist 165 SubDist A Div 1 Page 41 Family 206 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace James BREBNER M M 46 Scottish Scotland Occ: Labourer Religion: Presbyterian Jane BREBNER F M 48 Scottish Scotland Religion: Presbyterian Isabela BREBNER F 22 Scottish Scotland Religion: Presbyterian James BREBNER M 21 Scottish Scotland Religion: Presbyterian Jessie BREBNER F 16 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Charles BREBNER M 12 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Jane BREBNER F 8 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Albert BREBNER M 4 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian ___________________________________________ Census Place: Harwich, Kent, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375915 NAC C-13279 Dist 180 SubDist D Div 5 Page 30 Family 135+ Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John WITHEFORD M M 34 English England Occ: General Manager Religion: Church of England Maria WITHEFORD F M 29 American Ontario Religion: Baptist James Edward WITHEFORD M S 8 English Ontario Occ: Sutdent Religion: Baptist Mary WITHEFORD F S 5 English Ontario Religion: Baptist Catherine WITHEFORD F S 4 English Ontario Religion: Baptist Anna WITHEFORD F S 2 English Ontario Religion: Baptist Frederick RUPELL M S 15 English England Religion: Baptist Ellen OVERLWITT F M 23 Irish Nova Scotia Occ: Servant Religion: Roman Catholic Nellie OVERLWITT F S <1 Irish Nova Scotia Religion: Roman Catholic Born: <Sep>; 7m Albert MASON M 23 Irish Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Methodist James AINSLIE M 45 English Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Church of England Henry BURK M 42 English Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Weslyan Methodist Wiliam BURNE M 30 Irish Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Weslyan Methodist Charles PETERSON M 32 Swedish Sweden Occ: Laborer Religion: Lutheran John WRIGHT M 29 English Ontario Religion: Methodist James WRIGHT M 33 English Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Universalist James ACKERMAN M 21 German Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Methodist James BREBNER M M 45 Scottish Scotland Occ: Laborer Religion: Presbyterian James MCCAINON M 24 Scottish Prince Edward Island Occ: Laborer Religion: Disciple of Christ John HARRIS M 22 Irish Ontario Occ: Laborer Religion: Church of England (Continued) ____________________________________________________ Census Place: Ste-Antoine Ward, Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375856 NAC C-13220 Dist 90 SubDist H Div 14 Page 49 Family 256+ Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Robert BREBNER M M 29 English Africa Occ: Machinist Religion: Anglican Kate BREBNER F M 31 Scottish Scotland Occ: --- Religion: Anglican John BREBNER M 2 English Quebec Occ: --- Religion: Anglican Elizabeth BREBNER F <1 English Quebec Occ: --- Religion: Anglican Born: Jun; 10/12 Marguerite MCDONALD F 38 Scottish Ireland ______________________________________________________ Census Place: Bosanquet, Lambton, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375914 NAC C-13278 Dist 179 SubDist M Div 1 Page 45 Family 214 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Neil BREBNER M M 28 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Nancy BREBNER F M 30 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Frank BREBNER M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Born: Sep; 7/12 Dufal MCGINNIS M W 50 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Angus MCGINNIS M 7 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian __________________________________________________________ Census Place: Dereham, Oxford South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375902 NAC C-13266 Dist 165 SubDist A Div 1 Page 42 Family 209 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John BREBNER M M 24 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Farmer Religion: Baptist Mary E. BREBNER F M 29 O <Ontario> Religion: Baptist __________________________________________________________________________________ Census Place: Owen Sound, Grey North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375897 NAC C-13261 Dist 156 SubDist A Div 2 Page 29 Family 122 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Jane BREBNER F M 25 Scottish Scotland Occ: Seamstress Religion: C. Presbyterian William BREBNER M 10 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Robert BREBNER M 3 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian

Let me take a crack at this <gbg> Leslie wrote: > > Hello one and all: > I am researching my Scottish family and would like to know the answer to the following questions if possible. > > 1.When they left Scotland where did the majority go? I think this is kind of a *chicken and egg* question. I haven't seen any sort of evidence that someone has an actual list of *all* Scots who left Scotland, and if there ever is one generated - I'd kill for a copy. >Did they go to Ireland and leave from there? did they go to the US and then to Canada or did they come directly from Scotland to Canada. From my own limited knowledge, there seems to be three areas that could be called the major entry points for Scots to North America. The Maritimes area (not just NS, but NB, etc.), NY would be second (and this actually could include Boston and other New England ports) and the South -- Virginia, South Carolina, etc. I've been scouting out passenger list information, and from David Dobson's work, those seem to be the entry points *most* taken. Please keep in mind there *are* variables that can throw the above statement all out of whack as well. I think to try to pigeonhole a group as *only entering from point a, b, or c* into rigid statements is to defeat any genealogist's work. You are always going to find that *stray* family line that didn't go the *usual route*, thus driving any researcher totally mad ;-) > 2.Where did they land? See above... > 3.Approximately how long did the voyage take. That would depend on how many ports the ship was scheduled to land at -- and you also have to factor in weather, shipwreck or foundering, etc. The Hector to Pictou was blown off-course, almost back to the UK, and was several weeks overdue -- ships rarely had solid schedules like we are used to in this time period. > 4.What was the main reason for leaving Scotland. The big reason for many was the potential of actually owning their own LAND. Think about it -- in Scotland many were tenant farmers, subject to the whims of their landlords AND the weather. Taking the chance of going to America they could at least get rid of the landlord variable. Again, this is a loaded question that *might* be answered by years of research, but cannot be applied to the group as a whole. There could have been ANY reason for emigrating. I think it would have to be researched by each individual family. > > My families were the Carswell, they changed their name to Cerswell here in Canada, Speers, Sutherland and McBeath/McBeth. > The Carswells set down roots in West Gwillimbury in 1819, I am unsure when the other families arrived. > Many thanks to everyone who answers this query. Well, Sutherland and McBeath/McBeath are names found in Pictou County, Nova Scotia. Sutherland is by far the more familiar one. But Sutherland is found in other counties there as well. I'm not familiar with Carswell, and Speers is also another name that seems not to be found in Pictou. Hope I haven't further muddied the waters! Morgan Robertson

Hello. Wish I could answer that question, too. I do not have enough information to answer your question. But here are some of my clues... My ancestor who spoke Scottish as a mother tongue was John Hart, possibly born in Nova Scotia or Canada West. He married a woman( ? Ecker) born in England yet her name has some German roots. They married, who knows where, and had my gggrandmother, Sarah Elizabeth in 1862....in Michigan.....Have yet to find anyone who knows about my John Hart in Nova Scotia but have tried with many queries.... Am digging to find more substantiatiated information to know more about this part of my family history... Kathryn

Greetings All. FYI. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: Letters@GlobeAndMail.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Census allows a peek at our future. Editor, Globe and Mail. Margaret Wente's article, "Census allows a peek at our future" (G&M 17 July 2002) asks the question "How many grandchildren are you going to have?" While today's Census may allow a non-identifying peek at our statistical future, if Ivan P. Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada, has his way, millions of Canadians and others from around the world will never again be allowed to use Canada's Historic Census records to seek information about their ancestors. Nor will our grandchildren, and their children and grandchildren be able to use these invaluable records to find out about us. 235 years of Census records, from the first census of New France, up to and including those for the 1901 National Census of Canada, currently reside in the National Archives of Canada and are available for research by any person or body. The Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto specifically permit the original schedules of Census to be made available 92 years after collection. Dr. Fellegi has refused to allow Post-1901 records to be transferred to the control of the National Archivist for eventual release to the public. In this refusal he is in contravention of the National Archives of Canada Act, the Access to Information Act, the Privacy Act and the Statistics Act. After five years and more than 50,000 signatures sent to the government, MPs and Senators, we have finally applied to the Federal Courts to seek a Writ of Mandamus that would force Statistics Canada to release the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces. They should have been available in 1998. We seek to regain the same public access to Census records after 1901 that we have had for those records up to then. We have gone through two governments, and three Ministers of Industry (responsible for Statistics Canada). A Report of an Expert Panel appointed in 1999 and a series of Town Hall meetings held this past December and January, all support allowing public access to Census records 92 years after collection. How much longer must we wait? And how many more surveys must be endured before Statistics Canada will finally allow the access to Historic Census records that we seek, and that at least three applicable statutes state that we are entitled to? For more information you are invited to view the Post-1901 Census Project website at: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census or contact the writer at gordon_watts@telus.net Thank you. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843 http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hello one and all: I am researching my Scottish family and would like to know the answer to the following questions if possible. 1.When they left Scotland where did the majority go? Did they go to Ireland and leave from there? did they go to the US and then to Canada or did they come directly from Scotland to Canada. 2.Where did they land? 3.Approximately how long did the voyage take. 4.What was the main reason for leaving Scotland. My families were the Carswell, they changed their name to Cerswell here in Canada, Speers, Sutherland and McBeath/McBeth. The Carswells set down roots in West Gwillimbury in 1819, I am unsure when the other families arrived. Many thanks to everyone who answers this query. In His Grip Leslie Researching: Cerswell,Carswell,Speers,Sutherland,McBeath (Scotland) Heppleston,Thackray (England) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02

I have Matilda McDougall born in the mid 1820's, possibly in New Brunswick. But, that is where her children were born, so I am not really sure on her place of birth. She married Eleazer Hathaway. Also, I have a Peter McDougall who married into the Hathaway family as well. Any response would be appreciated. Nona