My great great grandmother Jane HOWIE went to Canada with her 2nd husband John GORDON, his children, one of her children and the first of their children in 1855. They settled round Ontario County, Ontario, starting in Reach and Brock townships, then settling in Scott township. Some of their children moved to neighbouring counties. Alexander GORDON and Ann HENDERSON - Reach township, Ontario County Mary GORDON and John REED - Georgina township, York County James [Jim] GORDON and Annie MUNRO - Eldon township, Victoria County John GORDON and Mary MCDONALD - Reach township, Ontario County Dougald GORDON Elizabeth GORDON and William TOUGH - Eldon township, Victoria County Catherine GORDON and John EWEN - Eldon township, Victoria County William GORDON and Eliza Jane BROWN - Scott township, Ontario County Andrew GORDON Ann ROBERTSON and William CAMPBELL - Scott township, Ontario County Ellen GORDON and Hector McLACHLAN - Eldon township, Victoria County Jane GORDON Charles GORDON and Louise KERRY Marey[Mary] J GORDON Hector GORDON and Catherine Edna McBAIN Does anyone on the list recognise a family name? Bobbie

I would like to thank Sherry of the list for all the look ups she has done for me so I can now post my Gordon family. She managed to discover TOUGHS as TORYHS and EWENS as WINNS, so anyone looking for your family on the 1881 Canadian Census be inventive. THANK YOU SHERRY. David, We have some very helpful people on this list! Bobbie

GORDON - I have read your posting of today with great interest especially the detail and rationale which you have set out clearly and distinctly. As a retired bureaucrat (policy adviser) I conclude that you have found the "smoking gun" and that Statscan's choice, in the end, is "unconditional surrender". Press on! KEITH

You're quite welcome Bobbie.... I was happy to help and had fun finding them. Now.... if only I could find my own family.... lol. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian and Bobbie Amyes To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:01 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Look ups I would like to thank Sherry of the list for all the look ups she has done for me so I can now post my Gordon family. She managed to discover TOUGHS as TORYHS and EWENS as WINNS, so anyone looking for your family on the 1881 Canadian Census be inventive. THANK YOU SHERRY. David, We have some very helpful people on this list! Bobbie ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings All. I spent the afternoon the other day in the library of Simon Fraser University going through Orders in Council and Statutes of Canada from 1871 on. I was looking to check out and verify something that I have had in the back of my mind for some time. In trying to justify their stand in refusing access to Post 1901 Census records, one of the major points that StatCan has made is that the difference between the 1906 and later Censuses, and those conducted earlier is that the 1906 Census and Statistics Act gave Instructions to Enumerators, and the clause therein relating to "Secrecy", the "Force of Law". They claim that while Instructions before 1906 had similar clauses relating to confidentiality of information given, those Instructions did not have the "Force of Law". They state this is the reason records up to 1901 are accessible while those after are not. To paraphrase, "They know not of what they speak!". I did not check every book of Orders in Council but every book that I did check had a cover page that stated that Orders in Council, Proclamations and Regulations, and/or Orders of the Governor General in Council have the "Force of Law". In addition, the Orders in Council for 1891 include a paragraph stating, in part; "[Note. -- The Orders in Council, having the force of law passed since Confederation, are now being revised and consolidated. ............]" A Proclamation included in the 1891 Orders in Council directing the taking of the 1891 Census included the following statement: "That the details of information and forms to be used should be as indicated by Schedules thereto appended, and by the instructions and blank forms issued by the Minister of Agriculture for the working thereof. Vide Canada Gazette, Vol. XX!V, p. 1198" A similar Proclamation for 1901 stated: "That the details of information and forms to be used shall be as indicated by the schedules following and by the instructions and blank forms issued by Our Minister of Agriculture for the working thereof. The schedules and forms are published in the Canada Gazette Vide Canada Gazette, vol. xxxiv., p. 1318" For 1906: ".......... the country was divided into census districts, forms and instructions were approved and directions were ordered to be observed, as set forth in full detail in the Canada Gazette of May 21st, 1906. Vide Canada Gazette, vol. xxxix., extra issue dated May 21st, 1906." And for 1911: "9. That the details of information and forms to be used shall be as indicated by the schedules following and by the instructions and blank forms issued by our said Minister of Agriculture for the working thereof. The Schedules and forms are published in the supplements to Canada Gazette, No. 2, July 9, 1910, and No. 5, July 30, 1910." "What is the point of all this?" you might ask. I am not a lawyer, but to me the point should be simple. It seems to me that if Orders in Council have "the force of law", and it is easily proved that they do, then any documents -- such as Instructions to Enumerators -- referred to by those Orders in Council, will have that same "force of law". The clause in the 1906 Census and Statistics Act giving the Instructions to Enumerators the "force of law" was not necessary because the Orders in Council referring to the "instructions and blank forms", having themselves the "force of law", already gave the Instructions that force. If I am correct in this then Dr. Fellegi and Statistics Canada are incorrect in their position that Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census prior to 1906 do not have the "force of law". As I have pointed out many times in the past, StatCan is very quick to state that the "Secrecy" clause in the Instructions to Enumerators has the "Force of Law". They willingly ignore other clauses in those same Instructions that state very clearly that records of Census "will have value as a record for historical use", that it "is intended to be a permanent record" and it will be "stored in the Archives of the Dominion". If one clause of those Instructions have the "force of law", then so do all other clauses in those same Instructions. Statistics Canada cannot pick and choose which clauses of the Instructions that they want to have the "force of law". I will be going to the Vancouver Public Library this morning to see what else I can find. I will keep you informed on anything pertinent to our efforts to regain the public access to Historic Census records that we are currently denied by StatCan. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hi Bobbie. I have to agree with you about the helpful people. Like many other Lists there's been an odd moment of disquiet, but all in all, I'm so glad Christine and I got this List set up and we both appreciate the wonderful people that are a part of it. It's also really great to hear GOOD comments from the members - morale booster! I should mention also that through this List, we have had several linkups between folk so we must be doing something right eh? David. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian and Bobbie Amyes" <bamyes@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Look ups > I would like to thank Sherry of the list for all the look ups she has done for me so I can now post my Gordon family. > She managed to discover TOUGHS as TORYHS and EWENS as WINNS, so anyone looking for your family on the 1881 Canadian Census be inventive. > THANK YOU SHERRY. > David, We have some very helpful people on this list! > Bobbie > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Reposting.... I am still looking for my greatgrandmother's family. Her name was Catherine CAMERON, born October 1830 in Glengarry County, Ontario. Family story goes she was the youngest of 13 children. Suggestion has been made that she might be the daughter of Duncan CAMERON and Catherine MacDONALD, since baptisms have recorded for at least 4 other children in the same area between 1826 and 1831. Catherine married Gedeon Robichaud/x 2 Jul 1849 in Buckingham, Quebec. Their marriage records were burned in a church fire. Rita Lavorgna Fort Myers, Florida

Just want to give a big thank you to: G Schneider Christine Janice Morgan Sherry For all the ideas and help regarding my question about cremation. These lists are so great because everybody is willing to offer help or suggestions. Thanks again Susan

I think it's a strong possibility. About seven years ago I placed a query regarding the Bannerman/ Sutherland line in the Simcoe Country Ancestors News. A gentleman . responded saying that his grandfather, of West Gwillimbury Township, wrote out a partial family tree on October 30, 1925 and it contained the following information: "John Bannerman of whom I have no very minute details suffice it to say he was one of the Selkirk Pioneers. As a child he left Cromarty?, Scotland. My grandmother was Elizabeth or Isabella Sutherland, daughter of James Sutherland . Heman Sutherland was my grandmother's only brother. John and Elizabeth or Isabella Sutherland Bannerman's family consisted of six daughters, Catherine who married Thomas Latimer Betsy who married William Kitely Helen who married James Gallinger Mary Anne who married William Ney Isabella who married Elwood Davis Hannah who married Robert Stewart" (my husband's great-grandparents) I know the James Sutherland family were in the Bradford area, and that's probably where Isabella and John Bannerman met and settled. For years I have been trying to verify this information with documents. I have not found a marriage or death record for John or Isabella. Hannah Bannerman and Robert Stewart were married on 4 Mar Dec 1877 in West Gwillimbury, Simcoe Co., ON. Information regarding the Sutherland family has been easier to find, but connecting a Sutherland daughter to a Bannerman has proved most difficult. Any suggestions you can give would be most welcome! Graechen Stewart

Just recording my interests. Am not absolutely sure of the names of anyone who went to Canada but family hearsay indicates someone did! MCLEAN - descended from Alexander MCLEAN (b Larbert, Stirlingshire 1829) married Isabella WATSON (b Muckhart, CLK 1832) in Dollar CLK in 1850. Children, James Fairley Watson 1851, Alexander 1852, Lilias McWhannell 1857, Thomas 1860, ?female 1862, Elizabeth Millar 1864, Isabella b. 1865, Jane Ann Black 1867, Janet 1871. Isabella was my g. grandmother. PITKETHLY - descended from William PITKETHLY (blacksmith b. Edinburgh 1857) married (1) Jane MCLEAN in Edinburgh in 1880. Children, William 1881, James Hoggan 1883, and Thomas Grosset, 1885. (2) Isabella MCLEAN in Loanhead 1889. Children, Joan 1889, Alexander McLean, 1890, Lily Jane, 1892, Jessie White, 1894, George McLean, 1898, David White, 1900. BRABNER - descended from Andrew BRABNER (BRABONER) (b.Newburgh, Fifeshire 1762) married (1)Margaret LEECH in Newburgh/Monimail 1791. Children Elizabeth,1792 and John 1794. (2)Mary MORRISON in Newburgh 1798. Children, Jean Hay 1799, Margaret 1801, Andrew 1803, Isobel 1805, John 1807, Mary 1809. Judith (Sydney Aust)

We all "advertise" on other Lists I guess - that's how the news gets around perhaps. No problem. David. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ida & Merle King" <m_iking@telusplanet.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: McAlpine/Graham/Burnet/Jack > Hi Anne > > I hope David doesn't mind here. As I host the Grey Co. Ont. mailing list > and have noticed a couple researchers connected to your family there. > You can check out the Rootsweb archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > type in CAN-ONT-GREY or we'd love to have you join our list and post a > query there as well. > Good luck > Ida > > > >annereynolds@rogers.com wrote: > > >William Burnet b. 1797 d.1866 and Mary Edgar b. 1797d.1861 from Annan DFS to > >Durham ,Glenelg Twp,Grey Co Ont.. Parents of William Burnet were Robert Burnet and Jean Masterson. > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Sue Jarvis:: The same problem exists for my GGG Grandfather who died in Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1827. He is supposed to be buried in the Old Parish, Lesmahagow Graveyard but there is no stone or record of where he is. There is a daughter who died before him in 1819, but there is no record of where she is buried. We had thought he was drowned at Linmill and washed over the falls there, and therefore the body was never found. Perhaps your ancestor's body was never found, such as in a house fire, or a drowning. I would like to know some answers myself. Carol

I am interested in the following families in Canada 1881 Census place: Teeswater, Bruce North, Ontario MCKLENZIE,Norman age 42 b: Scotland, Origin Scottish, Religion: Canadian Presbyterian Occ: Farmer Sarah McKenzie age 46 b: Nova Scotia (Nee McKAY) Hector McKenzie age 18 b: Ont Donald McKenzie age 16 b: Ont Adam McKenzie age 11 b: Ont John McKenzie age 8 b: Ont All were recorded as Religion: Canadian Presbyterian John McKenzie was my grandfather. His daughter Mary married my father in Australia in1935. Other children were Norena Sara McKenzie born 1898, Hectnor Getrude born 1900, Norman (?), John (?) and Anne May born about 1907. ROBINSON or ROBINS William Ann Robinson (Nee CONRAN) Eva Gertrude Robinson their daughter born Toronto 22 Feb 1878 or 1880. They may have had other children. I think they lived in Toronto perhaps at 22 Gerard St., N Toronto. Eva Gertrude married John McKenzie in 1896 in Toronto. Regards Peter Ferguson

Hi Malcolm, I was successful in requesting my father's army service records from World War 2. You have to be fairly specific when requesting copies of documents or you may just receive a one page record of when they joined, when the were discharged and their rank. On my second try I was able to get a number of pages including his Service and Casualty Form, the complete set of Record of Service pages which consist of a chronological record of where he went, what courses he took, when he took leave etc and a copy of his Attestation Paper. As I said, this process was all fairly straight forward, but my father is still alive, although incapacitated. I requested the information using my Power of Attorney authority. On the Application for Military Service Information found at the website below, it states : If a service person has been deceased for less than 20 years, limited information may be released in accordance with federal Access to Information and Privacy legislation. Proof of deat! h and evidence of relationship must be provided. - I don't know the specifics of your situation, but it is worth submitting a request and see what happens! The application form is on the National Archives web site - the specific link is http://www.archives.ca/02/020203/02020301_e.html Good Luck Patti Wallace

Hi Listers; Many hanks to Pat Wallace;Nina Hart;Janice McNabb and Beverley for your replies to my query about Dept. of National Defence. I have only printed your replies at this time and have not absorbed all that you have sent. If I have any queries I may get back to you. Again, Many Thanks Malcolm in Calgary, Alberta

Hi I am researching the following families. MCBRIDE, Malcolm wife Catherine arrived in Canada possibly from Argyll, Scotland in the 1830's. Children were NANCY b. 1833 Scotland, MARY b. 1838, MALCOLM b. 1839, DOUGAL b. 1840 missing since the 1861 census from Middlesex County, ARCHIBALD b. 1840 also missing and CATHERINE b. 1847. MOFFAT, JOSEPH married to MARY KINNEE in PERTH COUNTY, WALLACE township. CHILDREN: William, Annie Jane married to ?Hall, Robert married to HANNAH FERGUSON and Thomas Wesley. Looking for information on THOMAS MOFFAT, JOHN BROWN MOFFAT, JAMES MOFFAT, ANN MOFFAT, MARGARET MOFFAT, MARY and ROBERT. These are siblings of JOSEPH. All living in or around Palmerston, Ontario. Any help appreciated. Barb

-----Original Message----- From: david and lesley [mailto:bbqman@alphalink.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:54 PM To: SCOTS-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: McINTYRE Argyll Hi all! I really am just fishing around really...hope you don't mind!! I am missing some McIntyre family from Kintyre Argyll, and I am beginning to think one or all of them may have migrated to Canada, since so many did from that part of the country. So here goes..... I am looking for children of Archibald McIntyre, schoolmaster, and Sarah (Sally)McNeil all born between 1819 and 1836 in the parish of Skipness, Kintyre, Argyll. John McIntyre bn parish of Skipness, Argyll 1819 Peter McIntyre "" "" 1822 Malcolm McIntyre "" "" 1824 Alexander McIntyre "" "" 1826 Neil McIntyre "" "" "" 1833 Sarah McIntyre "" "" "" 1836 We know that 2 other brothers Hugh McPherson McINTYRE and Archibald McINTYRE went to Australia. We BELIEVE Alexander came to Australia around 1855, but may have moved away again. All the boys had left Skipness (Clonaig) by 1851 Census, and the young sister Sarah was still there with her mother. If this sounds like someone who ties in with your family, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thanks!! Lesley Melbourne Australia

Hi Anne I hope David doesn't mind here. As I host the Grey Co. Ont. mailing list and have noticed a couple researchers connected to your family there. You can check out the Rootsweb archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ type in CAN-ONT-GREY or we'd love to have you join our list and post a query there as well. Good luck Ida >annereynolds@rogers.com wrote: >William Burnet b. 1797 d.1866 and Mary Edgar b. 1797d.1861 from Annan DFS to >Durham ,Glenelg Twp,Grey Co Ont.. Parents of William Burnet were Robert Burnet and Jean Masterson.

Hello Listers, Looking for my husbands cousins who left Stirling area for Canada after 1900 when their mother Jessie STIRLING wife of David MAIN died. One son & two daughters came to New Zealand about 1914 to their STIRLING aunts but the father David MAIN & some of his other family went to Canada, maybe sons. Love to make contact. Barbara Stirling

My family emigrated from Kintyre also, and moved to Quebec in Canada. Quite a few McIntyres also lived in that same area of Candada. Try http://websites.epidirect.com/~chateauguay/search.asp Bruce > From: "david and lesley" <bbqman@alphalink.com.au> > Reply-To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:58:32 +1000 > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCTCDN] McINTYRE from Argyll > Resent-From: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:53:51 -0600 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: david and lesley [mailto:bbqman@alphalink.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:54 PM > To: SCOTS-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: McINTYRE Argyll > > > Hi all! > I really am just fishing around really...hope you don't mind!! I am missing > some McIntyre family from Kintyre Argyll, and I am beginning to think one or > all of them may have migrated to Canada, since so many did from that part of > the country. > > So here goes..... > > > I am looking for children of Archibald McIntyre, schoolmaster, and Sarah > (Sally)McNeil all born between 1819 and 1836 in the parish of Skipness, > Kintyre, Argyll. > > John McIntyre bn parish of Skipness, Argyll 1819 > Peter McIntyre "" "" 1822 > Malcolm McIntyre "" "" 1824 > Alexander McIntyre "" "" 1826 > Neil McIntyre "" "" "" 1833 > Sarah McIntyre "" "" "" 1836 > > > We know that 2 other brothers Hugh McPherson McINTYRE and Archibald McINTYRE > went to Australia. We BELIEVE Alexander came to Australia around 1855, but > may have moved away again. > All the boys had left Skipness (Clonaig) by 1851 Census, and the young > sister Sarah was still there with her mother. > > If this sounds like someone who ties in with your family, please do not > hesitate to contact me. Thanks!! > > Lesley > Melbourne Australia > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if > Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >