Hey Malcolm, Try using a search engine like Google.com. I typed "seven original kings of Scotland" in the search box and got 23,100 hits, not all relevant of course. Here's one site I found that talks about seven Pictish Kings/Earls. http://www.cyberscotia.com/coed-celyddon/geography.html Rob Offer ANDERSON in Aberdeenshire THOMSON in Cruden & Ellon TAPP in Hastings, England MAKARENKO in Bukovina Malcolm Shaw wrote: > Hi Listers; > > Can SKS tell me who were the seven kings ("ri") of Scotland who elected a King ("ard ri" in Gaelic) to govern the country. All I can find is that the Earls of Atholl; Strathearn(Fortrenn); Moray; Argyll and Strathclyde were the senior earls (moarmars) of Scotland who elected one King. > > Many thanks. I hope this is clear enough. > > Malcolm in Calgary > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Listers; Can SKS tell me who were the seven kings ("ri") of Scotland who elected a King ("ard ri" in Gaelic) to govern the country. All I can find is that the Earls of Atholl; Strathearn(Fortrenn); Moray; Argyll and Strathclyde were the senior earls (moarmars) of Scotland who elected one King. Many thanks. I hope this is clear enough. Malcolm in Calgary

Greetings All. Files have just been sent to update the Scoreboards for Members of Parliament and Senators. I believe that I am now up to date with the responses sent to me. MPs Derek Lee (Lib. - Ont), Brian Masse (NDP - Ont), Rex Barnes (PC - NF & Lab), and Stephen Harper (CA - AB) have been awarded gold ticks of support. Totals as of this time are as follows: House of Commons For 160 Against 6 Non-committal 59 No response 74 Senate For 35 Against 3 Non-committal 17 No response 42 If you have had a response that differs than that shown for your MP or Senator please send it to me so that the Scoreboards might be updated. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I found this link which is interesting listing names of people who came from Scotland with a little biography on each. http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/Libraries/History_Sphere/Americanlinks/people.html > > >

I have found the Dominion Land Grant information on the National Archives of Canada site very useful in relatives who dispersed into Manitoba and Saskatchewan. Also the list of men signing up for the expeditionary forces in World War One. Good luck Cheers Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Lanning" <tedlan@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: SUTHERLAND-McWILLIE > Hi Listers, > I am researching John McWILLIE who married Ann SUTHERLAND in Desford, > Banff in 1869. They had at least 5 children: > Ann b. 1870 > Mary b.1872 Killin, Perth > Jennie b. 1874, Strathfillen, Perth > John b. 1978 Leyburn, York > Nellie b.1880 Leyburn, York > > The family migrated to North America abt 1882 and dispersed into > Saskatchewan & Manitoba. > > Any information on these McWILLIE or SUTHERLAND families would be > greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Ted LANNING, > West Vancouver, BC >

Hi Listers, I am researching John McWILLIE who married Ann SUTHERLAND in Desford, Banff in 1869. They had at least 5 children: Ann b. 1870 Mary b.1872 Killin, Perth Jennie b. 1874, Strathfillen, Perth John b. 1978 Leyburn, York Nellie b.1880 Leyburn, York The family migrated to North America abt 1882 and dispersed into Saskatchewan & Manitoba. Any information on these McWILLIE or SUTHERLAND families would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Ted LANNING, West Vancouver, BC

I am look to found out about my GGGgrandfather Robert England. It seems that nother is know about him before he arrive in Chatham New Brunswick in 1785. We know he was a large land ower in Chartham. Married to a Margery Brown on Nov 10, 1791 raised a large family and died in 1835. It has been reported he came over from Scotland. Thanks for any help I can get. Alice England Thomas

Greetings All. I have just got off the telephone from speaking to Canadian Alliance leader Stephen Harper on the Peter Warren talk show (broadcast nationally across Canada). I asked him for his position on access to Post 1901 Census records. While he stated that he would want to see specifics of what we are seeking, he was generally supportive and felt that the current situation regarding non-disclosure was too restrictive. Based on his response I will be awarding him a gold tick of support on the MPs Scoreboard. Moderator Peter Warren has been supportive of our efforts in the past, and expressed the opinion that we were "going to win this one". Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. The recent announcement of Prime Minister Jean Chretien that he would not be seeking re-election is welcome news. I say this not for any political reasons, or for stating any political or personal views, and would ask that readers of this message not inundate the lists (or myself) with protests about political messages. In my view, more important than the statement that Jean Chretien does not intend to run for re-election was his follow-up statement that he would be concentrating on the business of government until February 2004. What this means to those of us that seek to regain public access to Historic Census records in Canada is that for the next 18 months we can expect some stability in government and that we are unlikely to be facing a snap election that would interrupt our campaign and require us to start over once again with another new government. It is to be hoped that long before February 2004 we will have succeeded in our goal and will finally have access to 1906 and 1911 Census records, with the expectation of continued access to subsequent Census' 92 years after collection. Our legal action is proceeding and our Memorandum of Fact and Law will be completed and presented to the Federal Court shortly. We continue to be optimistic about the outcome of this action. To ensure the success of our efforts there are things that we all must continue to do. Some of those things are: -- Check the MP and Senator Scoreboards on the Post 1901 Census Project website to see what the position of your elected and appointed representatives is. -- Contact your own Member of Parliament, either in person at their Constituency offices, or by letter, to seek their support for a Bill that would allow the access we seek. Currently, Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-12 is the only one in the running. A number of MPs have indicated they will not respond to people from outside of their own riding, so it is important that their own constituents contact them. Concentrate your efforts on those who have not yet responded to our questions, or who have not given a definitive answer. -- Contact Senators for your own area seeking their support for Bill S-12. It is expected that S-12 will be facing third reading shortly after Parliament resumes sitting in September (or October). If passed in third reading the Bill will be referred to the House of Commons for processing there. -- Forward any responses you might get from MPs or Senators to me so that their position on the Scoreboards may be updated. -- Signatures on petitions are still required to show a relative indication of support for our efforts. Download and circulate the petitions. Remember that the same people may sign both the petition for the House of Commons and the one for the Senate. People living outside of Canada MUST use the Non-Resident petition. Please use the proper petition as downloaded. There are specific rules regarding presentation and format of petitions and signatures have been disallowed because the proper format was not followed. (Names and signatures on a sheet of paper without having the wording of the petition at the top is not allowed. Nor are we allowed to tape such a sheet to another having the wording of the petition. Signatures sent in this manner are lost to us.) -- Spread the word of what we are trying to accomplish. It is not enough to support our cause -- that support must be visible to those in power. Talk to friends, neighbours and relatives about it and encourage their participation and support. Write letters to your local newspapers, call in to radio and TV talk shows to let others know about our efforts and why we seek to regain access to these invaluable sources of information. -- Send Access to Information requests for the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces to Statistics Canada. When that request is refused, send a complaint to the Information Commissioner. See my columns at http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm and http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce84.htm for more information about doing this. The more people that are aware of the problem the greater will be our support to have it changed. That support must be visible to our elected and appointed representatives. The greater the support shown to them, the sooner we will succeed in gaining the change we seek. With the help of all who read this message, we will succeed. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I'm hoping to trace my GGrandmother, Mary Ann Mc Goldrick who married John Dolan. I'm not sure where she was from in Canada other than, Ontario, Quebec, PEI etc. Nothing west of those areas. Sincerely, Charlie Peasha

Someone found this burial at the Gore United Church Cemetery and I was wondering if anyone had any idea of where Michael would be? Would he have been buried with her without an inscription or would he be somewhere else? Not sure where to look. Sherry In loving memory of Barbara McKenzie wife of Michael McCormick died Jan 16, 1918 aged 93 years Gone but not forgotten

Hello, I am searching for a marriage record and any other information on my Great-Grandparents: Mary Boyde and Alexander Clark. both b:ca 1840'-50's, of Scots origin. Supposedly had several children; one known: my Grandfather: William Alexander Clark, b: 17 Feb 1877, Merritton, St. Catharine's area, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada. No birth record found. William Alexander Clark emigrated from Niagara Falls, Ontario, Can. on 1 April 1879 via New York Central Railway, with whom unknown. Source: Grandfather's Naturalization Certificate. Does anyone have access to birth or marriage records or lists in the following areas? Or, perhaps have those names in their families? I have narrowed the 1871 Ontario Census down to three Mary Boyd(e) families and three Alexander Clark families who were in close proximity to each others County. Is is possible that one of these Mary Boyd(e)'s, married one of these Alexander Clark's? 1. In 1871 Census, Ontario, Lincoln Co., Grantham Div 3 Township. Soundex Number: 0349149 microfilm, Page 8/9. Head of Household: John Boyd. Dwelling 30, Hs.#30. factory hand. Age 42. Birthplace: Scotland. Church: Presbyterian. Origin: Scotch. His wife: MARY BOYD, age 40. Born:Scot. A Dau: MARY BOYD, factory hand, age 20 yrs. [b:ca 1851]. B:Scot. Presby. A Son: William Boyd, factory hand, age 17, [b:ca 1854] , Scot. A Son: Archibald Boyd, factory hand, age 15 [b:ca 1856] A Son: John Boyd, factory hand, age 10 [b:ca1861] A Dau: Margaret Boyd, age 6 [b:ca:1865], ? Scot. A Son: James Boyd, age 8 months...August. .......................................... 2. In 1871 Census, Ont. Elgin County, Dumrick/Dunwick Twnshp.Same film.P.70. Hd of Hs: Archibald McNeil, farmer. Dwel: 250 & Hs:#250. age 37. b:Scot. Presby. His Wife: Flora McNeil, age 30. b:Scot. Four children: Mary, age 6; Jennette, age 4; John age 2; Catherine 1 month..March.McNeil's. All born Ontario. ** They had a Servant: named: MARY BOYDE, age 40, [b:ca:1831] who had a 5 year old daughter named: CATHERINE... Mary BOYDE was born: Scotland. Another Servant in household: Alexander ROFO, age 35, [b:ca:1836] b: Scot. ........................................... 3. In 1871 Census Ont. East Elgin County, Vienna Subdivision. Microfilm:0349138. Hd of Hs: Thomas Boyd, merchant. Dwel: & Hs: #: 17. Age:34, [b:ca:1837]. b:Ontario, Can.Presby. Origin: Irish. Listed in household: MARY BOYD, age 25, [b:ca:1846]. b:Ontario, Can. Origin: Irish. ...[Not indicated as wife: were they brother and sister? ] ........................................... 4. Now to match the Alexander Clark's: In 1871 Census Ont. Elgin county, Southwold Twnshp. Hd of Hs: William Clark, farmer, Page 8 Same film above.#3. Dwel: & Hs:#26. age58. [b:ca:1813], born: Scot. Presby. Wife: Jane or Irene.. age 53 [b:ca:1818]. born: England. Son: James, age 31, [b:ca:1840] born: Ontario. Son: ALEXANDER CLARK, age 19. born: Ontario [b:ca:1852]. Dau: Mary Clark, age 18. born: Ontario [b:ca:1853]. Dau: Juliette Clark, age 14. born: Ontario [b:ca:1857]. .................................. 5. In 1871 Census, Ontario, Elgin County, Dumrick subdivision, town. Page 30: microfilm: 0349138. Hd of Hs: ALEXANDER CLARK, farmer, Dwel: & House# 106. Age 29 [b:ca:1842]. Born: Scotland. Presbyterian. He had listed a wife: Sarah Clark, age 32 years. [b:ca:1839]. Born: Ontario. Presby. Son: Edward, age 7 months, ..September. born: Ontario, Can. .............................. 6. In 1871 Census, Ontario, Can. Bretontown Wentworth County. Page 24. On microfilm: #0349150. Hd of Hs: ALEXANDER CLARK, laborer, Dwel:& Hs:#90. Age 36 .[ b:ca:1835] born: Scotland. Presby. He was enumerated with: Adolphus CASE , farmer, Origin:English. Age 50 [b:ca:1821], of Scots Origin. N.E. Methodist. With Ruth CASE, Irish, Age 87. [b:ca:1784]. born: USA. Methodist. I appreciate your time. Thank you in advance. Regards, Barb Clark

I live in Nanaimo if having someone local can be of any help to you. Beverley Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hassall" <rhassall@axion.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] DUNCAN ALEXANDER MCRAE, REV. b: 1859 in Glengarry,Ontario, Canada > Hi there > > DUNCAN ALEXANDER MCRAE, REV. b: 1859 in Glengarry,Ontario, Canada is below > with his wives and children. He was a Presbyterian Minister and worked in > Nanimo, Victoria and Cloverdale British Columbia Canada. I have a time line > below and his tree further down. His father Archibald b. 1829 was brother to > Findlay McRae b. 1817. Findlay McRae was my great grandfather. Does anyone > have anything to share on DUNCAN ALEXANDER MCRAE, REV. while in British > Columbia Canada? > > Thanks for reading this > Judy in Canada > > timeline > 1859- born Glengarry > 1881- McGill University > 1885- Presbyterian College, Montreal > 1890- Dixon, Solano County, California (daughter Malenia Mary McRae born > there in 1890) > 1891-Presbyterian Minster, Nanimo, census > 1893- Presbyterian Snod, Victoria > 1891-Presbyterian Minster, Nanimo > 1915 Cloverdale, BC marrying daughter Malenia Mary McRae and John James > Brown > 1920- With wife Carrie at 226 Church Street, Danville, > 1920-died Danville, California > > > Descendants of Duncan Alexander McRae, Rev., BA > > 1 Duncan Alexander McRae, Rev., BA 1858 - 1920 b: February 02, 1858 in > Glengarry,Ontario, Canada d: April 25, 1920 in Danville, Contra Costa Co., > California Burial: April 27, 1920 Los Angles, California Occupation: > Pastor, Presbyterian Church > .. +Florence McMillan 1862 - 1899 b: 1862 in Ontario, Canada d: January > 13, 1899 in Danville, Contra Costa Co., California Burial: Third > Presbyterian Church on Hill Street, Los Angles, Calfornia > ..... 2 Florence McRae > ......... +Harry A. Brown > ..... 2 Alexander McRae > ..... 2 Malenia Mary McRae 1890 - 1957 b: 1890 in Dixon, Solano County, > California d: 1957 Burial: Surrey Centre Cemetery Occupation: Teacher > (Cloverdale, BC) > ......... +John James Brown 1888 - 1980 b: 1888 in Delta, BC m: January 19, > 1915 in Cloverdale Presbyterian Church Manse, BC, Canada d: April 27, 1980 > in Surrey, BC, Canada Burial: Surrey Centre Cemetery > ............. 3 John Christopher Brown > *2nd Wife of Duncan Alexander McRae, Rev., BA: > .. +Carrie A. ??? 1861 - 1931 b: 1861 in Illinois, USA m: Aft. 1899 d: > April 30, 1931 > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi there DUNCAN ALEXANDER MCRAE, REV. b: 1859 in Glengarry,Ontario, Canada is below with his wives and children. He was a Presbyterian Minister and worked in Nanimo, Victoria and Cloverdale British Columbia Canada. I have a time line below and his tree further down. His father Archibald b. 1829 was brother to Findlay McRae b. 1817. Findlay McRae was my great grandfather. Does anyone have anything to share on DUNCAN ALEXANDER MCRAE, REV. while in British Columbia Canada? Thanks for reading this Judy in Canada timeline 1859- born Glengarry 1881- McGill University 1885- Presbyterian College, Montreal 1890- Dixon, Solano County, California (daughter Malenia Mary McRae born there in 1890) 1891-Presbyterian Minster, Nanimo, census 1893- Presbyterian Snod, Victoria 1891-Presbyterian Minster, Nanimo 1915 Cloverdale, BC marrying daughter Malenia Mary McRae and John James Brown 1920- With wife Carrie at 226 Church Street, Danville, 1920-died Danville, California Descendants of Duncan Alexander McRae, Rev., BA 1 Duncan Alexander McRae, Rev., BA 1858 - 1920 b: February 02, 1858 in Glengarry,Ontario, Canada d: April 25, 1920 in Danville, Contra Costa Co., California Burial: April 27, 1920 Los Angles, California Occupation: Pastor, Presbyterian Church .. +Florence McMillan 1862 - 1899 b: 1862 in Ontario, Canada d: January 13, 1899 in Danville, Contra Costa Co., California Burial: Third Presbyterian Church on Hill Street, Los Angles, Calfornia ..... 2 Florence McRae ......... +Harry A. Brown ..... 2 Alexander McRae ..... 2 Malenia Mary McRae 1890 - 1957 b: 1890 in Dixon, Solano County, California d: 1957 Burial: Surrey Centre Cemetery Occupation: Teacher (Cloverdale, BC) ......... +John James Brown 1888 - 1980 b: 1888 in Delta, BC m: January 19, 1915 in Cloverdale Presbyterian Church Manse, BC, Canada d: April 27, 1980 in Surrey, BC, Canada Burial: Surrey Centre Cemetery ............. 3 John Christopher Brown *2nd Wife of Duncan Alexander McRae, Rev., BA: .. +Carrie A. ??? 1861 - 1931 b: 1861 in Illinois, USA m: Aft. 1899 d: April 30, 1931

I'm really sorry if this is a repeated message but I didn't see the first one come through. We just found the marriage record for Alice Ceclillie (sp?) CAMPBELL, born Quebec, Canada abt. 1860 and James Allen LAUGHLIN (date and place of birth unknown). Date of marriage was August 11, 1880 in Quebec. Alice's parents were William CAMPBELL born in Scotland and Elizabeth SMITH and as far as I can read, James' parents were George E. LAUGHLIN and Mary Ann (looks like Fisher but could be anything). Hoping eventually someone will connect. Sherry

Do you know who Mary Ann Sutherland married? I have a Mary Sutherland born about 1840 in West Gwillimbury, Simcoe Co., Ontario married to James Braden. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sctchkiltmaggi@aol.com To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: Phoebe and Mary Ann I am looking for information and any connections to PHOEBE SUTHERLAND b abt 1835 in West Gwillimbury, sister of MARY ANN Sutherland born abt 1826 same place. Scotty ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, I am reposting this message as it seems the first, while showing it the archives never made it to the "list". I would use some help in deciphering some old notes. I have looked up the definition of portioner and know it's definition, but will list the entries as written. James Allison Por Portioner, born Carraith, Scotland marries Elizabeth Poe who had a son Thomas Allison Portioner, who married Elizabeth Keneely, who had daughter Elizabeth who married John Nielson and they had 4 children: Elizabeth Wilson, Jessie Wilson, Arabella Wilson, and Maria Wilson. To start, I take the portioner off James Allison and get James Allison Por? What would Por be? He married an Elizabeth Poe. Might his last name be Poe and Por is just a hard to read Poe? But the son Thomas Allison (dropping the portioner), wouldn't he have been Poe as well then? And what would be the reason for a John Nielson marrying Elizabeth Allison and having 4 children with the last name Wilson? They were apparently married in Feb. of 1817 and the notes say John died in Ayr in Feb. 1824. That would mean Elizabeth was left with 4 small children. She would probably have remarried, but would the children automatically take the step-father's name? I also cannot find a Carraith where James Allison (Por, Poe?) was born? Any ideas on what this might be a misspelling of? Thanks for any help you may be able to provide. Judy Buller

Just found a marriage record for James Allan Laughlin and Alice Campbell (born abt. 1861). Marriage took place in Thurso, Quebec 1880. Would anyone know anything of this couple?

I am looking for information and any connections to PHOEBE SUTHERLAND b abt 1835 in West Gwillimbury, sister of MARY ANN Sutherland born abt 1826 same place. Scotty

Hello. I am still searching for my John Hart. Being a very common name, this is truly hard to find....but...have a little new information. John's wife's name was Hannah, possibly with a surname of ECKER. Both John's father and mother were born in New Brunswick. And, they had settled in Michigan, by 1856 and lived there at least until 1880. John's mother tongue was Scottish. Ring any bells?? Kathryn