Hello, all; just answering the roll call. My interests: McGregor in Ekfrid Twp., Middlesex County, ON McLachlan, same place Murray, Brantford ON Happy hunting! Bettymae in California

Canadian Genealogy Centre symposium On Friday 13 September 2002 I received a letter from Ian E. Wilson - National Archivist of Canada, inviting me to attend the first symposium of the Canadian Genealogy Centre entitled "Canadian Genealogy Online: Building an Innovative Model of Co-operation" to be held in Gatineau, Quebec, at the Canadian Museum of Civilization on November 1, 2 and 3, 2002. The letter of invitation stated: "The National Archives of Canada, with the National Library of Canada, is developing the Canadian Genealogy Centre in order to better serve Canadian genealogists. With the assistance of Canadian Heritage and other partners from archives, libraries, and genealogical and historical societies, this new Centre will also offer genealogical content, services, advice, research tools and the opportunity to work online on group projects, in both official languages. We hope to foster dialogue between genealogists, and current and potential partners in order to gain a better understanding of their needs and expectations." The symposium will consist of a number of plenary sessions and group discussions as follows: Session 1: Relationships between users and stakeholders providing genealogical services. 1. Which consultation strategies and methods should the CGC adopt? 2. What are the needs of the users and service providers? What genealogical products and services do users and providers wish to have access to through the CCG? 3. What projects should be set as priorities in developing online CGC components and what partnership projects would be required to achieve them? Session 2: Partnerships at the Canadian Genealogy Centre. 1. What are the challenges (responsibilities, commitments, advantages) of participating in the CGC as a partner? What do we mean by the term governance? What governance model would be most effective for the Centre under the leadership of the National Archives of Canada and the National Library of Canada? 2. What services should the CGC provide and what balance should there be between free services and billed services? What role could the private sector play in all of the CGC's activities? What ethical issues could the CGC raise? 3. What would the roles and responsibilities of the various stakeholders be in implementing the CGC in terms of access to information, protection of personal information, and security with regard to developing Web tools? Session 3: Approaches for the Canadian Genealogy Centre and stakeholders with respect to the production and sharing of content. 1. What projects could partners carry out together? (e.g. indexing, research tools and genealogical resource directory.) 2. What's new in the exchange of genealogical information? (e.g. online collaborative tools such as Meeting Place and volunteer mobilization efforts.) 3. What protocols would have to be put in place for quality control of the content? Some meals are provided, and a closing banquet will be given in conjunction with a guided tour of the National Archives of Canada's Gatineau Preservation Centre. Cost of transportation and accommodation, however, is the responsibility of those attending. I suspect some attendees will have assistance from some of the genealogical and historical societies they represent. Others who have been invited may be unable to attend because of the costs involved. Thanks to having collected Air Miles for the past several years I have managed to arrange to attend this symposium. I am advised that Ian Holmes, President of the Alberta Genealogical Society, George Lake, chairman of the Alberta Family History Society, and Rick Roberts of Global Genealogy will be attending the symposium. I look forward meeting them. I have not heard from any others that might be attending. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Hi Debbie, There is an area called Bras d'Or Lake, also in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. Good luck, Regards, Barb Clark Debbie Pentecost-McNabb wrote: > Looking for info on "Red" John Campbell, born 1797 Iverness, Scotland. He > married Annie Urquhart. They had Mary Campbell born abt. 1830 Cape Breton, Nova > Scotia, Canada. A son Charles was born 1834 in Bras d' Or, Canada (not sure > where in Canada this is). There may have been other children but I haven't > found them yet. Mary Campbell married John Pentecost and moved to Roxbury, > Suffolk County, Massachusetts. > > Thanks, > Debbie > b > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings All. A number of people have asked for a point by point summary of the Post 1901 Census issue. Because of this I have compiled the following Summary. Feel free to circulate it to those you feel will be interested. It will shortly be included on the Post 1901 Census Project website which, I am happy to say after the problems of the past few days, is once again accessible. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. *********************************** Post 1901 Census Issue Summary ** 235 years of Census records, from the first Census of New France in 1666, up to and including the 1901 national Census of Canada, currently reside in the National Archives of Canada and are accessible to any person or body for purposes of research. ** Clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy Acts make specific provision for public access to 'personal' information contained in Census 92 years after collection. ** The National Archives of Canada Act provides that the National Archivist shall determine what records of government are of historical or archival value and that shall be deposited in the National Archives. ** The National Archivist, Ian E. Wilson, has determined that records of Historic Census do have historical or archival value and are, in fact, a National treasure. He has formally requested Statistics Canada to turn control of the 1906 Special Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba) over to his control. ** Statistics Canada (i.e. Chief Statistician Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi) refuses to turn control of Historic Census records after 1901 over to control of the National Archivist of Canada. ** The rational for this refusal is based on misinterpreted legislation and Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census going back as far as 1905, and Statistics Canada's claim that a 'promise' was made to the people of Canada that confidentiality of Census was perpetual. ** Statistics Canada has been unable to provide a single piece of documented evidence that a 'promise' of 'confidentiality of Census in perpetuity' has ever been made. It does not exist! ** In November 1999, then Industry Minister John Manley appointed an Expert Panel to study and make recommendations regarding public access to Historic Census Records. Their report, finally made public 15 December 2000, found no evidence that legislators of the day intended that records of Census were to remain confidential for all time. They recommended allowing public access to all Census records, past, present and future, 92 years after collection. They urged caution only in the method by which records from 1918 to 2001 were made available. ** In making the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records public, then Industry Minister Brian Tobin discounted the recommendations contained therein, claiming that 'further broad-based consultations with all Canadians' was required. He stated these consultations would take place with already mandated reviews of the Access to Information and Privacy Acts. ** The review of the Access to Information Act took place and the report released with no mention of public access to Historic Census records - it was not part of their mandate. A review of the Privacy Act is not expected to be completed within three years, and access to Census is likewise not included in the mandate of those expected to review it. ** In December 2001 and January 2002 a series of Town Hall Meetings and Focus Groups were conducted across Canada. Of 157 presenters at the Town Hall Meetings, 151 were fully supportive of unrestricted public access of all records of Census, 92 years after collection, in accordance with current legislation. ** Each of these 151 presenters likewise rejected the so-called 'compromise solution' being pushed by Statistics Canada as being too restrictive in who might access the records, what information might be accessed and what might be done with information retrieved. ** The 'compromise' does not do what it is proposed to do. It would be excessively expensive to set up and maintain, and would be a bureaucratic nightmare to administer. It would prevent access for the greater portion of the Canadian population that do not live within reasonable travel distance to a government office holding copies of the Census records. ** Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census from at least 1901 to 1946, having the Force of Law, contain clauses that state that records of Census "have value as a record for historical use", that "The census is intended to be a permanent record", and "its schedules will be stored in the Archives of the Dominion." If any 'promise' was made to the people of Canada regarding Census it was this. ** On 5 March 2002, Calgary lawyer Lois Sparling, on behalf of the Canada Census Committee and many thousands of genealogists and historians, submitted an Application for Judicial Review to the Federal Court of Canada. The purpose of this Application is to obtain a Writ of Mandamus to compel the Chief Statistician of Canada to turn control of 1906 Census schedules over to the National Archivist. It was later modified to include a request for certain declarations relating to public access of these records. At the time of writing the legal action is proceeding more or less as expected. ** To date (September 2002), more than 55,000 signatures have been sent to Ottawa seeking to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records on the same basis as records up to and including 1901 are currently available. ** There is still a requirement for signatures on petitions (downloadable from the Post 1901 Census Project website), and for letters to be sent to MPs and Senators seeking their support for access. With an expected proroguing of the current session of Parliament on 30 September 2002 all Bills and Motions (including Bill S-12) will cease to exist. It is expected that Senator Lorna Milne and MP Murray Calder will immediately re-introduce their Census Bills. This will be the third time our Bills have been started from scratch. It is therefore essential that we continue to reinforce our desire for access with our elected and appointed representatives.

Hello, Everyone. Answering David's request for another roll call, I'm still interested in relatives who emigrated to Canada. I can summarise these as any KELMAN/KILMAN and/or SHAND in Ontario from the 1830s onwards, and any TAYLOR and/or BRUCE in Nova Scotia from c. 1810 onwards. Regards, Alyson

there's also an Arthurton in South Australia... ?? --annie in Kansas, USA -----Original Message----- From: Williams, Annie Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:14 AM To: 'SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [SCTCDN] MacNab Malcolm: a web search using www.google.com shows an Arthurtown in South Carolina, USA... --annie in Kansas -----Original Message----- From: mal gray [mailto:malstgray@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:07 AM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCTCDN] MacNab Hello readers can anyone tell me where Arthurtown is located; I'm looking for a family of MacNab's a James of which died in Arthurtown 1894 aged 77 regards Malcolm ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Malcolm: a web search using www.google.com shows an Arthurtown in South Carolina, USA... --annie in Kansas -----Original Message----- From: mal gray [mailto:malstgray@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:07 AM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCTCDN] MacNab Hello readers can anyone tell me where Arthurtown is located; I'm looking for a family of MacNab's a James of which died in Arthurtown 1894 aged 77 regards Malcolm ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Looking for info on other children, and parents, of John Pat(t)erson b.1832 Scotland, and Jane Duncan b.1830 Scotland. Came to Ontario sometime between 1863 and 1871. Their children were:John b. 1853Alexander b.1856 (my gg-grandfather)Jane b. 1858James b. 1861Jessie b.1863William b.1871I know that John, Alex, Jane and James were born in Scotland, but i have conflicting info for Jessie and William as to where they were born, either Scotland or Ontario. Have no other info as of yet, except for Alexander and his decendants. If anything looks familiar, please email me..... Tina in Michigan ------------------------------------------------ Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now!

One branch of my family left for Canada and I have some scant details of them. They were the sons and daughter of Peter Stirling/Margaret Paterson from Lecropt, Perthshire, Scotland. Peter, born 30 Mar 1794. Died Vancleek Hill, Ontario, 18 Mar 1875. Archibald, born 27 Oct 1795, died Vankleek Hill, after 1871. Wife Catherine Shaw, children Marion M. and Mary Ann Stirling (born 22 Jul 1839). Ann born Newbiggings, Lecropt, 22 Jul 1797. Died after 1852. Dr James Stirling, born 23 Feb 1799 at Lecropt. Died 1857? at Old Homestead, Vankleek Hill. Married Sophia Centres in Nov 1843. Five children. Any info welcomed.

Looking for info on "Red" John Campbell, born 1797 Iverness, Scotland. He married Annie Urquhart. They had Mary Campbell born abt. 1830 Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada. A son Charles was born 1834 in Bras d' Or, Canada (not sure where in Canada this is). There may have been other children but I haven't found them yet. Mary Campbell married John Pentecost and moved to Roxbury, Suffolk County, Massachusetts. Thanks, Debbie b

Hello readers can anyone tell me where Arthurtown is located; I'm looking for a family of MacNab's a James of which died in Arthurtown 1894 aged 77 regards Malcolm

Seeking descendants of Frank Bruce who emigrated to Canada in 1919 from East Lothian, Scotland. I think he had a son Gerald and daughter Eleanor. Frank was first in Nova Scotia but died in Vancouver area.Eleanor's married surname was Holvick. Any info appreciated Sheila

Hello Listers... I am researching the following family: MC EACHERN, John Born: Islay ca 1793 Died: 9 Apr 1844 Oro Twp., Sincoe Co. ONT Married: DARROCH, Euphemia in Islay Born: Islay, Kilmeny, Esknish 7 Dec 1806 d/o Angus DARROCH and Anne MAC KINNON Both buried: Knox Presbyterian Church, Oro Children: 1. Anne (GILLESPIE, Archibald & MAUDSLEY, James) 2. Marion ("Minnie"), (MCKAY, Hugh) 3. Flora, (MC PHERSON, John) 4. Mary, (HEALY, ?) 5. John Angus (HIGGINS, Betsy) Louise

Greetings All. For those who have tried to access the Post 1901 Census Project website today, and have been unable to do so, it appears that there are server problems that are preventing access. Upgrades were made to the servers this past weekend and for awhile a similar situation existed. It was thought that the problems were rectified, but they have apparently re-occured. This problem may exist until Rick Roberts returns from a trip to Ottawa on Monday. Attempts are being made to contact someone else at Global who might be able to rectify the problem but so far no luck in this. Websites that are affected and not accessible are: Global Genealogy & History Shoppe http://globalgenealogy.com The Global Gazette, Canada's Online Family History Magazine http://globalgazette.net Global Heritage Press http://globalheritagepress.com The Post-1901 Census Project (Canada) http://globalgenealogy.com/Census The Lanark County Genealogical Society (Ontario, Canada) http://globalgenealogy.com/LCGS There have recently been a number of problems on the Internet. This past Monday morning the whole of British Columbia was down for awhile. Many other areas have seemed to be very slow in responding at times. It is frustrating, but it is something we appear to have to live with if we want to use the Net. Please have a little patience. The Post 1901 Census Project website will be accessible again, as will the other sites. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

My lines of interest at the moment are Thomas Lane (Lean or McLean) b.1824 at Bonneybridge, Stirlingshire, Scotland - to Canada pre. 1855. Resided at Ingersol, Greenock Twp. Bruce Co. and Woodstock, Ontario before moving on to Birtle, Manitoba in 1880. Elizabeth Brydon born Yarrow, Selkirkshire, Scotland - to Canada pre 1855. Married Thomas Lane (above) in 1855 at Brock District, Ontario. Daniel Dewar is thought to have been born at Perth, Scotland about 1827. Family lore says Daniel was brought to Canada about 1829 with Chief MacNab. He resided at Renfrew, Ontario and it is said that at one time he was a sheriff or police officer and also plied his trade as a blacksmith. Would appreciate hearing from anyone interested in the same lines. Barb Andrew Brandon, Mb. Canada

Searching for any connection to Richard HENDRY (HENRY) son of Nathaniel and Martha (new Wylie), born 1838/39 in Scotland. Richard married Isabella SCRYMGEOUR, daughter of James and Margaret (nee Knight), born 1843 (in Greenock, Renfrew, I think). Richard and Isabella were married in 1861 Greenock and the copy of their marriage certificate shows both sets of parents deceased. They emigrated to Newfoundland 1872-1874 with their children Martha, Jessie, Richard and Margaret, then James, William, Charls, Isabella and Jean were born in Newfoundland. Regards, Nina Hart, Langley, B.C. Canada

Hello! Matilda McDougall was born mid to late 1820's, and married Eleazer Hathaway. Their son, John, is my direct line. Any response would be appreciated!! Nona

John McArthur was a miller in Cumberland born in Perthshire Scotland November 10, 1930, died in Cumberland May 10, 1896. His parents were John McArthur and Catherine McGibbon. (The family story is that Catherine died of smallpox on the boat in Halifax harbor. I have found no evidence one way or the other.) His first wife was Ellen Dale born in Canada East, probably Dalesville, died August 25, 1864. Their children were: (1) Nancy McArthur, born about 1855 died May 10, 1881 (2) Robert John McArthur, born in Cumberland in 1858. He married Charlotte Augusta Kendall March 22, 1881 in Buckingham, Papineau, Quebec, Canada (3) Martha Ellen McArthur, born 1859. In Ottawa city directories she ran a knitting factory on Bank St. She did not marry as far as I know. She may have moved to Seattle, Washington. (4) Charles Daniel McArthur, born May 10, 1860 in Cumberland died July 16, 1931 in Appleton, Outagami, Wisconsin. He married Jessie Harriet McCallum August 31, 1880 in Ottawa. (5) Catherine (Cate, Kate) McArthur, born about 1862, died February 25, 1920 in Cumberland. She was Assistant Matron and later Matron at the Home for Friendless Women in Ottawa, Ontario. She did not marry as far as I know. (6) Samuel McArthur, born May 1864, died August 10, 1864 John, Ellen, Nancy, Samuel, and Kate are buried in Dale's Cemetery in Cumberland, Ontario. Children of Robert John McArthur and Charlotte Augusta Kendall: (1) Nancy Naomi McArthur, Born January 01, 1882 in Cumberland (2) Rudy McArthur, (3) Kendall McArthur, and (4) Sidney McArthur, I don't find Ontario birth records for these three. They may have been born after the family moved to Hull. Children of Charles Daniel McArthur and Jessie Harriet McCallum: (1) Raymond McArthur, born July 04, 1881 in Cumberland, died in Michigan (2) Florence McArthur, (3) Nellie McArthur, and (4) Lola McArthur, I don't find Ontario birth or death records for these three. They all died young. They may have been born after the family moved to Hull. (5) John Gordon McArthur, born about 1844 in Hull, Quebec (6) Arthur Stanley McArthur, born November 23, 1888 in Hull, Quebec died January 13, 1942 in Washington, D. C. (7) Harriet McArthur, born October 24, 1893 in Escanaba, Michigan died March 07, 1982 in Spokane, Spokane, Washington On June 3, 1884 John McArthur married Marion Baikie in Ottawa. She was born about 1845 in New Edinburgh, Carleton County. Her parents were John Baikie and Marion Wilson. They had at least one daughter. I'd love to hear from anyone with information about any of these people. Alison McIntyre mcintyr@uakron.edu

Hello, I'm researching DUFF, CRICHTON , GRAY , STANSALL , MASSON , MASH, JACKSON , CHARETTE,and AMBROSE John DUFF b./ place Glasgow, Scotland wife: Elizabeth CRICHTON b. 2/16/1878 Scotland John DUFF b. 2/12/1897 or 1897 wife Helen [Nellie] GRAY children John , James, Margaret[Peggy], Jean, Ross Margaret DUFF / STANSALL b.? husband Fred STANSALL child : Allistair Charlotte DUFF / MASSON b./ husband John MASSON children : Douglas and Ronald Bruce James DUFF b./ wife EVA ? children: Jeaneane and Lucille Bessie DUFF / CHARETTE husband Lucian CHARETTE no children Gordon DUFF b./ wife Doris AMROSE / DUFF children : Ian and Gordon Happy searching :) Sandra DUFF MCFALL

Beverley, I am not sure that I am a great help on adding to your Sim line, but I have found all sorts of information on my various relatives of my Gordon line by using the 1901 census in this area of Ontario. I have found lots of my lot in Scott Twp, Brock Twp, Reach Twp and Eldon Twp. Your Sim males would still probably be round Brock and you get all sorts of info on their birth dates, when they came to Canada, if they can read and write, speak Gaelic, French, English etc.Presumably you could chase the next generations in their area of Ontario. Put in the specific Township. Look under Schedule1 as that has the people's name. Just go into Canadian archives. I can get you the direct URL if you like. Bobbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley" <bevwaller@shaw.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Rollcall Time > Alexander Sim b: Abt. 1790's > Married Helen Malcolm - February 7, 1817 in Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland > > Children: > Francis Sim b: 1819 > Alexander Sim b: 1821 > Helen Sim b: 1825 > > 3rd GGrandfather Francis Sim married Elizabeth Cousins on January 23, 1843 Brock District, Ontario. Children: William, Frank, Joseph, John, James, Robert, Fred, Elizabeth, Mary, Alexander 1844, Margaret 1858, Helen 1860, Andrew 1862 > > 2nd GGrandfather: Alexander Sim b: January 27, 1844 married Rachael Sim b: Oct 12, 1850(no family relation we know of). Married October 24, 1876 in Woodstock, Ontario. Children: George Alexander 1877, Peter L. 1879, Francis Frederick 1880, Herbert C. 1882, Allen McLeod 1884, Norman Arnold 1885, Lily E. 1887, Pearl Margaret Mae Circa 1889, Walter W. 1892 > > 1st GGrandfather: George Alexander Sim born: August 15, 1877 married Margaret Vance on June 20, 1900 in Oxford County, Blandford Twp. Ontario. Children: Margaret Rachel April 20, 1901, Herbert Leslie 1902, Joseph Alexander 1904, Donald Vance 1916, > > Grandmother: Margaret Rachel Sim married David Thomas Jones b: April 13, 1897 - married in Vancouver, BC on May 27, 1920 > > Beverley Jones > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >