<PRE>Ekfrid Twp is where the Village of Glencoe is, I believe. I have an interest there: Duncan McLachlan, who emmigrated from Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland, with his grandson, Duncan McGregor, in 1831. They settled on Conc. 5, Lot 24, Ekfrid. Duncan McGregor was my Great-grandfather. Bettymae in California

Unless you pay for additonal storage room on Hotmail, the basic hotmail allowable space can very quickly fill up and once that has happened, all e-mail bounces. To make sure this doesn't happen, iether pay for more space or check your hotmail mail daily. Delete into the trash bin everything you don't want and save what you plan on keeping away from hotmail. This may not be the whole problem, but is probably part of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M Paterson" <dmpaterson@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Hotmail/msn Bounces > Many people are having problems because of the Hotmail bounces. I do not > have an official statement on how to correct this problem though there are > lots of conversations going on about it. What I have gathered (and no doubt > someone somewhere will have more to say about all this) is that those of you > using Hotmail accounts need to ensure that the Rootsweb Mailing Addresses > are included in the Safe List in your security settings. > As it appears that these bounces occur because Hotmail is treating the mail > as spam, you will need to ensure that your account will accept the mail. > I don't expect this to be a discussion topic on the List, any points you > wish to raise should be done off-list. > Thanks, > David. > > This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002. > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Two elder half-sisters of my father emigrated to Canada, probably in the 1920s. They were Annie Mary Hutchison (born 31 January 1889 in Glasgow) and Lucie Hume Hutchison (born 17 June 1893 in Aberdeen), the daughters of James Hutchison and Frances McKinnell Copland. I've been unable to discover anything further about Annie, but apparently Lucie married a James Lauder and they lived in Toronto (in 1940 at 31 Humewood Court Apartments). They had a son (perhaps other children) called Murray. He was a bass player and in WW2 he served with the Canadian Army, playing in 'The Army Show', a music revue which toured the troops in Europe. Afterwards he was with the Ellis McLintock dance orchestra and also played with 'Lou Snider and Rhythm'. In 1956 he was apparently managing the flowershop in the Park Plaza Hotel, 4 Avenue Road, Toronto. After that, the only trace I've found of him was appearing in a short-lived CBC programme 'The Other Eye' in the summer of 1967, a late-night program of talk, music and satire, in a musical trio consisting of Jimmy Coxan on piano, Mickey Shannon on drums, and Murray Lauder on bass, led by Henry Cuesta. I would love to know more about the Lauder family, and also whether Annie Mary ever married. Eileen Wiltshire, England

Many people are having problems because of the Hotmail bounces. I do not have an official statement on how to correct this problem though there are lots of conversations going on about it. What I have gathered (and no doubt someone somewhere will have more to say about all this) is that those of you using Hotmail accounts need to ensure that the Rootsweb Mailing Addresses are included in the Safe List in your security settings. As it appears that these bounces occur because Hotmail is treating the mail as spam, you will need to ensure that your account will accept the mail. I don't expect this to be a discussion topic on the List, any points you wish to raise should be done off-list. Thanks, David. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002.

Sorry - sent to wrong list!!! It was meant for the Aberdeen list. Hope I didn't confuse anyone! Peggy

To: > C.Joudrey" <ccaej@sympatico.ca > > and any others I may have offended in my comment on Digest V02 #201, I was > not referring to English speaking foreigners but rather to those that came > from the eastern block countries after the end of the Hungarian revolution. > Therefore, I offer this my apology, for appearing to try to be a snob - I > am really not like that so I don't know what came over me. Judi

Hi Murray, I am not sure where Ekfrid Twp and Middlesex County are in Ontario, but we have Hector McLachlan marrying Ellen Gordon in 1867 Ontario County. He was from Reach Twp and she from Brock. The McLachlans came to Canada in 1854. Hector's parents were Dugald McLachlin and Jane Mc????.Hector was thought to have been born Glsgow. Hector and Ellen shifted to Eldon Twp, Victoria County. Some family of their descendants went to Watrous, Saskatoon. Do you think they might link into your family Bobbie In New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bemryland@aol.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Roll call time again > Hello, all; just answering the roll call. My interests: > McGregor in Ekfrid Twp., Middlesex County, ON > McLachlan, same place > > Murray, Brantford ON > > Happy hunting! Bettymae in California > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

As there seems to be more than one person looking I'll post to list - No Grassick in A&K One Grasic in Kildrummy - Isobel wife of Robert Walker. I did find in Glenbuchat - #50 Alexander GRASSICK late fm Tullock, Strathdon d Burntley 12 . 2 . 1829 a 75 (or 8 )y, by ss John, Alexander, William & George G I am leaving for 2 weeks - if I don't get back to someone's questions before tomorrow, remind me in 2 weeks. thanks, Peggy

----- Original Message ----- From: "C.Joudrey" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Maybe a Useful Site > Here is a site that can be used to help those of you whose ancestors came to Canada in the early years, a lot of ancestors worked for the Hudson's Bay, and this one is their archives,it may hold some leads for folks. > > Christine > http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/index.html > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: <JHerman148@aol.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Roll call time again McLachlan > Middlesex Co is between Toronto & Detroit London is the county seat > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian and Bobbie Amyes" <bamyes@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Roll call time again McLachlan > Hi Murray, > > I am not sure where Ekfrid Twp and Middlesex County are in Ontario, but we > have Hector McLachlan marrying Ellen Gordon in 1867 Ontario County. He was > from Reach Twp and she from Brock. The McLachlans came to Canada in 1854. > Hector's parents were Dugald McLachlin and Jane Mc????.Hector was thought to > have been born Glsgow. Hector and Ellen shifted to Eldon Twp, Victoria > County. Some family of their descendants went to Watrous, Saskatoon. > > Do you think they might link into your family > Bobbie In New Zealand. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Bemryland@aol.com> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Roll call time again > > > > Hello, all; just answering the roll call. My interests: > > McGregor in Ekfrid Twp., Middlesex County, ON > > McLachlan, same place > > > > Murray, Brantford ON > > > > Happy hunting! Bettymae in California > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if > Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Middlesex Co is between Toronto & Detroit London is the county seat

Hello Judi, Oh my, I am old enough to know better, I do fall into the same category as you, age wise, but all similarities end there. But my upbringing, was probably a couple of rungs up the ladder from yours. I must admit though that I fall into the influx of foreigners during the sixties, albeit I was in the influx that came from the British Isles, Bonnie Scotland to be exact. Quebec was the province that "got" us, and I am still proud to be a Quebecer! Thanks for crediting me with writing the article, but I didn't, it comes from a webpage for which I will include the address below. It is under "People of Canada" with the sub heading "Speaking Canadian". http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~agenhtml/agenmc/canada/canada.html I remain, Christine Joudrey > I don't know how old you are, but I grew up in Edmonton from 1945 to 1967 > when I married and immigrated to the USA and I NEVER heard the word "eh" > being used in all that time. Even in my early married years when I would > return home for a visit it wasn't spoken. Of course I grew up in a upper > middle class home, the daughter of two lawyers, so this I feel may have a > bearing on what I heard. I believe the word "eh" came into being with the > influx of foreigners that came out of Europe around the end of the 60's and > at that time (not true today) was the evidence of a more common upbringing. > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 9/25/02 "C.Joudrey" <ccaej@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Thirdly, english Canadians do indeed say "eh". "Eh" is used at the end of a > statement or question in order to elicit a response, as in "Hot enough for > you, eh?" or "How about them Oilers, eh?". It is similar to the American > "huh" but has more uses. For example, Joe doesn't quite hear what Paul said > so Joe says "Eh?". Paul will then realize that either Joe: > > 1) didn't hear him > 2) didn't understand him > 3) wants more information > 4) thinks Paul's statement is interesting and is encouraging Paul to > continue. > I don't know how old you are, but I grew up in Edmonton from 1945 to 1967 when I married and immigrated to the USA and I NEVER heard the word "eh" being used in all that time. Even in my early married years when I would return home for a visit it wasn't spoken. Of course I grew up in a upper middle class home, the daughter of two lawyers, so this I feel may have a bearing on what I heard. I believe the word "eh" came into being with the influx of foreigners that came out of Europe around the end of the 60's and at that time (not true today) was the evidence of a more common upbringing.

Here is a site that can be used to help those of you whose ancestors came to Canada in the early years, a lot of ancestors worked for the Hudson's Bay, and this one is their archives,it may hold some leads for folks. Christine http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/index.html

you forgot to mention, they make the best husbands! Interestingly, my Sots-English Canadian husband says "aboot" just like my late husband did who was born and reared in Tidewater region of Virginia. (also Scots-English). -----Original Message----- From: C.Joudrey [mailto:ccaej@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:53 AM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCTCDN] Speaking Canadian SO YOU WANT TO SPEAK CANADIAN, EH? Americans traveling in Canada will likely encounter people who dress and speak English in much the same way as they do, expect for the approximately 25% of french speakers who may (not necessarily) speak english with a french accent. Canadian speech is much more similar to American speech than to the English spoken in England and other parts of the United Kingdom. However, Americans may hear a British-like accent in Canadian speech. This is due in part to the fact that Canadians often use "raised vowel" sounds, resulting in the more clipped, "British" sound. Listen to a Canadian say "out and about". Americans tend to hear it as "oot and aboot" (rhymes with hoot). Of course, if you mention this to a Canadian he may think you have lost your mind. We Canadians don't hear the difference! The second way in which Canadian speech differs greatly from American is in the placement of the emphasis in words and division into syllables: PRO-gress vs. prog-RESS, route rhyming with out vs. root, etc. Thirdly, english Canadians do indeed say "eh". "Eh" is used at the end of a statement or question in order to elicit a response, as in "Hot enough for you, eh?" or "How about them Oilers, eh?". It is similar to the American "huh" but has more uses. For example, Joe doesn't quite hear what Paul said so Joe says "Eh?". Paul will then realize that either Joe: 1) didn't hear him 2) didn't understand him 3) wants more information 4) thinks Paul's statement is interesting and is encouraging Paul to continue. English speaking Canadians (anglophones) also use a few British words and expressions that may be unfamiliar to Americans. An "elastic" is a rubber band. A chesterfield = sofa = couch. Runners = sneakers = tennis shoes. Cash register = a till. Bum = the part of the person that meets a chair. There are many more. And unlike the USA, where "ma'am" and "sir" are common polite phrases, many women in Canada (including my mother) will inform you that they are not old enough to be called "ma'am"! It is not necessarily considered polite. The french spoken in Canada is also quite different from that taught in American classrooms. French-speakers in Canada (francophones), use hundreds of english words mixed with their french, such as "le smoked beef", "le brake drum", and "un party". The French slang spoken in the streets of Quebec or Acadia are very different from the french spoken in France. Finally, American readers of Canadian text will notice a lot of extra "u"s tagging along behind "o"s, such as in colour, flavour, humour, and neighbour. Some of the "r"s are shy and frightened of appearing at the end of words, as in The Centre of Arts. Those traveling in the Atlantic Provinces may feel like they have been transported to the fishing villages of Scotland and Ireland. Brave souls who get out to the "Island" (Newfoundland) are not alone in their inability to understand the fishermen's dialect. Most mainland Canadians have difficulty understanding a good "Newfy" twang too! Be careful if a fisherman offers you any "screech" though! [Screech is moonshine made from old rum barrels.] ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

SO YOU WANT TO SPEAK CANADIAN, EH? Americans traveling in Canada will likely encounter people who dress and speak English in much the same way as they do, expect for the approximately 25% of french speakers who may (not necessarily) speak english with a french accent. Canadian speech is much more similar to American speech than to the English spoken in England and other parts of the United Kingdom. However, Americans may hear a British-like accent in Canadian speech. This is due in part to the fact that Canadians often use "raised vowel" sounds, resulting in the more clipped, "British" sound. Listen to a Canadian say "out and about". Americans tend to hear it as "oot and aboot" (rhymes with hoot). Of course, if you mention this to a Canadian he may think you have lost your mind. We Canadians don't hear the difference! The second way in which Canadian speech differs greatly from American is in the placement of the emphasis in words and division into syllables: PRO-gress vs. prog-RESS, route rhyming with out vs. root, etc. Thirdly, english Canadians do indeed say "eh". "Eh" is used at the end of a statement or question in order to elicit a response, as in "Hot enough for you, eh?" or "How about them Oilers, eh?". It is similar to the American "huh" but has more uses. For example, Joe doesn't quite hear what Paul said so Joe says "Eh?". Paul will then realize that either Joe: 1) didn't hear him 2) didn't understand him 3) wants more information 4) thinks Paul's statement is interesting and is encouraging Paul to continue. English speaking Canadians (anglophones) also use a few British words and expressions that may be unfamiliar to Americans. An "elastic" is a rubber band. A chesterfield = sofa = couch. Runners = sneakers = tennis shoes. Cash register = a till. Bum = the part of the person that meets a chair. There are many more. And unlike the USA, where "ma'am" and "sir" are common polite phrases, many women in Canada (including my mother) will inform you that they are not old enough to be called "ma'am"! It is not necessarily considered polite. The french spoken in Canada is also quite different from that taught in American classrooms. French-speakers in Canada (francophones), use hundreds of english words mixed with their french, such as "le smoked beef", "le brake drum", and "un party". The French slang spoken in the streets of Quebec or Acadia are very different from the french spoken in France. Finally, American readers of Canadian text will notice a lot of extra "u"s tagging along behind "o"s, such as in colour, flavour, humour, and neighbour. Some of the "r"s are shy and frightened of appearing at the end of words, as in The Centre of Arts. Those traveling in the Atlantic Provinces may feel like they have been transported to the fishing villages of Scotland and Ireland. Brave souls who get out to the "Island" (Newfoundland) are not alone in their inability to understand the fishermen's dialect. Most mainland Canadians have difficulty understanding a good "Newfy" twang too! Be careful if a fisherman offers you any "screech" though! [Screech is moonshine made from old rum barrels.]

Hi Folks - it's that nasty old topic again - MAILBOXES! Please, please, try and keep enough space in them for your messages. If your boxes are full, you won't get your messages, so what's the point in being on a List? And, you might just miss out on a valuable piece of information. Unfortunately, at least some of those who this message is really directed to - WON'T GET IT!! because their boxes are full!! I wouldn't care to count the bounced messages per day I get just for that reason. So, help yourselves, and me at the same time, PLEASE? Thanks, David. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002.

Update The above families many of whom who are inter-related and from the Huntly area emigrated from Scotland and settled around New Glasgow Terrebonne Quebec around 1837. Later they spread across North America. Alexander ARCHIBALD b 12 nov 1799 at Huntly died 6 April 1881 at New Glasgow married Helen(Ellen) TROUP at Huntly 20 Dec 1823.She died aged 81 -29 Oct 1878 at New Glasgow. Children: Margaret b 11 Oct 1824 married John Stormont about 1856 John b 24 Mar 1827 Isobel b 25 b Jun 1830 married Thomas HENDERSON about 1859 Alexander b about 1837 married Ellen ? about 1865 Adam b about 1840 married Isabella ? William b 15 Jun 1842 married Marion Morrison 4 Jul 1865 at New Glasgow Alexander ARCHIBALD's half brother James DEY b 3 May 1805 d 2 Jun 1874 married Isabella Cruickshank at Huntly 1829.There were 17 children some born in Huntly most born in New Glasgow Many of this line later settled in Philadelphia I am a descendant of Alexander Archibald's brother John who remained at Huntly and have been tracing the Archibald line with some success.I would be happy to exchange information with any of Alexander's descendants I suspect that many other Archibald ancestors who went missing throughout the 19th century followed their relatives to North America and I am interested to find out what happened to all of them Sandy Archibald Edinburgh

Greetings all. What up to a few days ago was speculation has now been confirmed. On 17 September the current session of Parliament was prorogued, effective 30 September 2002. Members of Parliament have been summoned to meet on Monday, 30 September 2002 at two o'clock in the afternoon, for the dispatch of business, thus starting the second session of the 37th Parliament of Canada. The effect of this is that all unfinished business from the prorogued Session ceases to exist. All Bills and Motions - government or private members - that have not been fully processed and completed, end up in the dumper. This includes Bill S-12, Senator Lorna Milne's Bill on access to Census, that we expected to achieve third reading in the Senate shortly after Parliament resumed sitting after the summer recess. It is expected that both Senator Milne, and MP Murray Calder will re-introduce their respective Bills in the Senate and the House of Commons. This would be a second chance for Murray Calder's Bill which was deemed non-votable and received only one hour of debate in the House before being dropped from the Order Paper. However both Bills would be starting from square one, having to go through first reading and all other steps that they had been subjected to previously. It means that the Bills, when presented, will have new numbers. It means more time and further delays before we achieve what we seek. This would be the third time that our Bills have had to start from scratch. With a new start we must renew our efforts to gain the support of those elected and appointed representatives who have not responded to our questions. We urge all to check the position of their own elected and appointed representatives on the MP and Senator Scoreboards on the Post 1901 Census Project website. Send letters to them, either thanking them for the support they have already expressed, or seeking support from those who have not given a definitive answer to our questions (i.e. fence-sitters or no response). If you have, or receive, a response that differs from the position shown on the Scoreboard for your representative, please forward a copy to me so that I might update the Scoreboards. Copies of letters you send would be helpful as well. We must also renew our efforts in collecting signatures on petitions. Not having had an election with a new government, we are not starting over again on petitions but we need to continue with efforts to obtain new signatures. So far we have sent more than 55,000 signatures to Ottawa, however with a population of Canada in excess of 32 million, there remains a great many people interested in genealogy and history that have not yet signed a petition. Some may question the effectiveness of our petitions and the need to continue collecting signatures, saying that having already sent more than 55,000 signatures, adding to these numbers will have little additional effect. The fact of the matter is, however, that numbers of signatures on petitions is the only tangible, visible, evidence we have to show that genealogists and historians seek to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. Presentation of petitions in the House of Commons and the Senate, showing the numbers of signatures received, is permanently recorded in Hansard, showing for all time that we seek these vital records. Letters and email to MPs, Senators and other officials are very necessary. They may, in fact, outnumber the number of signatures on petitions. However, we do not have any means of knowing the numbers of letters and email sent and so cannot point to them, as we can with petitions, as proof of our desire for access. Do not give up hope. We may have hit another snag in our efforts to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. There is no question, however, that with the help of all we will achieve that goal. It will just take a little longer to do so. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.