Greetings All. Forwarded FYI. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [CCC] S-13 Issues Good morning everyone: I hope that you all had a relaxing weekend and are ready to sit on the edge of your seats as debate on bill S-13 gets under way in the Senate chamber this week. I want to start by thanking everyone for your time and input on all of the issues that this bill raises. You can rest assured that Sen. Milne is personally seeing all of the emails that are being posted on the listserve and she has a firm handle on what is concerning everyone. I think that Gordon has hit the nail on the head with each and every one of his postings so far, and his comments have been most helpful. I want to take a minute or two to hit on a couple of the points that were raised in the various posts since Thursday night. First of all, Alf from Vancouver asked whether anyone has done any research on complaints regarding the 1901 and 1906 census releases on line. As of late Friday afternoon when I talked with the National Archivist, no complaints had been received by him about ANY historic census, let alone the latest releases online. Many have raised the concern that we may not be able to index the census until the 112 years are up. I must admit that is a very good question, and it is something that we will try to get addressed in the hearings that will take place on this bill. That having been said, I take a slightly different view of the work being done by those who are indexing the census. I would not categorize those people as genealogists. I believe they would fall into the category of historian. They would be able to get approval to do their work, and then they could index the tombstone information that may be released between 92 and 112 years. That's just my take on the matter. Another seemed quite concerned that it would not be possible to hire someone to do census research for you. You can rest assured that under (4)(a) of this bill specific reference is made to those who do research for others, and that is specifically permitted under the bill. If you do not have access to the census records, but need that access, you are allowed to hire or ask someone to do the work. No problems at all. I have a couple of comments on the study that is going to be done by the committee on the bill. First of all, I learned late on Friday afternoon that Cathy Piccinin is no longer the clerk of the committee. The new clerk is Lyn Gravelle. If you have already sent stuff to Cathy that is fine because she her new job is Policy Advisor to the chair of the committee that will study the bill. In any event it will all get into the right hands. >From now on, though, you can address information to Lyn Gravelle, or even better, just address it to the clerk of the committee. The email address for the committee is: soc-aff-soc@sen.parl.gc.ca Finally, there is no need to wait on the submissions. They can come at any time. If you send them to the clerk alone, she will coordinate them and send them in pacakages to all of the members of the Social Affairs Committee along with the bill and any other work that is being done on the bill. Sending the goods to the clerk is the best thing to do as that ensures that it won't get lost in the shuffle. I hope that this helps. Thanks once again for all of your comments, keep them coming! Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Greetings All. Since posting the text of Bill S-13 on Wednesday I have done little else but read a great deal of email in response to my posting. Much of that email had angry first responses to reading the Bill. I have responded personally to some of that email, either privately or publicly, but because of the volume coming in I have been unable to respond personally to all. I have, however, read each and every one that has come in, as well as any posted to the several mail lists to which I subscribe. Many of the email received have made similar comments and asked similar questions. To answer those I have posted a number of responses to the mail lists. Bill S-13 has been presented to the Senate and received first reading, after which it was published (in theory at least - it still does not appear on the government website). First reading is basically nothing, and it is not actually read in the Senate proceedings. Second reading is expected to begin on Tuesday 11 February 2003. Second reading is where discussion of the Bill begins, and depending on how many Senators wish to speak on the Bill, it could be spread out over several sitting days. At some point the Bill is expected to be referred to the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology. It is in Committee where the real discussion takes place, and interested parties have the opportunity to make presentations, either for or against the Bill, to the Committee. Anyone can apply to appear before the Committee but it is not likely that everyone who applies would be accepted. For Bill S-13 there is expected to be a number of access supporters, including myself, making presentations and making suggestions for amendments to improve the Bill. In addition to hearing submissions from those personally attending the Committee hearings, the Committee will accept written submissions from the public. Those interested in making a submission should send them to: The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology The Senate, Ottawa Ontario, Canada, K1A 0A4 Attn: Cathy Piccinin, Committee Clerk In making a submission your goal is to gain support for your position from those you write to. You will get nowhere by going off the deep end and simply writing angry letters stating what you do not like about the Bill. Doing this would likely anger those in a position to make constructive changes to the Bill, and may turn them against what you are trying to accomplish. Before writing your submission you should read again the Bill itself, and information posted by Senator Milne, National Archivist Ian Wilson, myself and others so you are thoroughly familiar with all of it. Make your points one at a time, making reference to the clause or section of the Bill in question. Give reasons for the position you take regarding each clause, and make constructive suggestions on how you feel the clause or section referred to, and the Bill itself, might be improved. Take time to once more study the Bill, and the information that has been posted subsequent to the Bill being published. Think out what you want to say, and what recommendations you would make, and then do so in a polite, respectful and reasoned letter to the Committee. Use your own words to make your point. Do not simply copy something posted by others who have made a submission and say "Me Too!". When you feel you are finished writing it, put your submission away for a day or two, then go back and review what you have written. You may find you missed some points you wanted to make, or want to make some corrections. Your submission will likely be better for having done this. Do not send your submission to the Committe right now. Not only has the Bill not yet been referred to the Committee, but discussion on it in Senate Chambers has not yet begun. It is better to wait until second reading has at least begun and some discussion regarding the Bill is under way in the Senate. Until that happens it may be that some of the Committee members will not be aware of what we are talking about. A remote possibility perhaps, but a possibility nevertheless. Your submission to the Committee should be done through normal postal channels, i.e. snail-mail. Copies of your submission would be appreciated by Senator Milne at Hon. Lorna Milne, Senator The Senate of Canada Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A4 Any email to Senator Milne should be sent to her office address of milnel@sen.parl.gc.ca . Please do not sent messages to her home address which was inadvertantly posted earlier. I would appreciate being copied as well. My comments here refer to formal written submissions to Committee members but that does not mean you cannot write to your elected or appointed representatives as well. In either case, my comments about making your remarks polite and respectful, as well as reasoned and constructive, still stand. I will post the makeup of the Senate Committe in a future post. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. Forwarded FYI. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Joudrey To: cjjoud@rogers.com ; gordon_watts@telus.net ; PAULJ@sen.parl.gc.ca ; lmilne@sympatico.ca ; davidson5790@rogers.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: Post-1901 Census -- Bill S-13 Has Started On A Journey! To all -- please forward to all provinces! WE have started on a long journey with Senator Lorna Milne -- and we have all heard "a long journey begins with the first step!" Senator Milne took the FIRST step of the journey of Bill S-13 through Senate and House of Commons with the First Reading on Wednesday. Her next step will be on Tuesday with the Second Reading. There will be bumps on the road -- known to us as Third Reading, Committee Review, Amendments, others will speak against the legislation as first presented. As WE travel along with Senator Milne, we will learn more about the parliamentary process and how we are able to assist. Senator Lorna Milne welcomes SUGGESTIONS -- items she may have overlooked milnel@sen.parl.gc.ca. These suggestions and bits of personal information -- not just gripes -- may be just the items that are needed. My personal bit of information is that the 1911 census would be the first census listing my mother and her family -- they moved to Nova Scotia from Maine in 1909. Also, veterans at Sunnybrook are signing petitions -- the 1911 census was the last one before World War One. Above all - should you wish to send a personal message to me, send to Christine Joudrey cjjoud@rogers.com - Christine is acting on my behalf and in contact with Senator Milne. Messages may also be sent to my son, Don Davidson davidson5790@rogers.com I am enjoying time with my husband, a veteran and resident of Sunnybrook for almost two years -- but I will be back shortly. In the meantime, READ the words of Bill S-13 and travel along with it as it travels from the Senate to the House of Commons and US. Senator Milne is working on behalf of all of us -- regardless of where we live -- the census affects many in all parts of the world. Above all, a personal note of thanks to Senator Milne will give her encouragement -- remember, the final version of S-13 will be different than the first presentation. I am positive and know Senator Milne desires the census records in the same format as 1901 and the now online 1906. [Still have to do my bit of research] As a lover of history, I will give one interesting site to explore http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/jan03/mattison.htm A special request to all Canada Census Committee members -- your help is really needed now -- WE are all travelling the journey of Bill S-13 and keeping step with Senator Milne. Muriel M. Davidson, Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/committee.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Greetings All. Yesterday I sent a message to Ian Wilson, the National Archives. I asked for his confirmation that, when pending legislation was passed, it was the intention of the National Archives to place the transferred Census records online. The pertinent portion of his message to me is copied below. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. From: Wilson, Ian To: 'Gordon A. Watts' Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Census legislation Gordon With regard to your question about online access, the National Archives is committed to making as many of its holdings as possible available through our website. We do not believe that there is any restriction in the present amendment which would prohibit the National Archives from making post-1906 censuses available online. I would add three other key points which I hope are not overlooked in this continuing process: --the 1906 census is fully open and accessible both online and in microfilm format through inter-library loan and in a number of libraries and archives. --the amendment, as currently proposed, requires the transfer of census records to the NA 92 years after the taking of the census in order to permit their examination --the Expert Panel and others have recognized that the 1918 Statistics Act affected the issue of research access and needs to be addressed to clarify access for subsequent censuses. The bill being considered by Parliament does this. The National Archives looks forward to continuing to work with the genealogical and research communities in providing access to this essential part of our heritage. Best wishes Ian

Greetings All. It is apparent from the many messages that I have received that there is considerable confusion and misunderstanding regarding the content and meaning of Bill S-13. I hope here to clarify a number of points about the Bill AS I UNDERSTAND THEM. I make no attempt here to suggest necessary changes to the Bill -- that will come later. I attempt here only to explain the Bill as it is CURRENTLY worded. Read the Bill, then read it again, and then again, keeping the comments I make here in mind. Bear in mind the Bill as it now reads is not necessarily what it will read in the end. It is subject to amendment as it goes through the legislative hoops. Many of us will be fighting to see those amendments made. What appears to be the most misunderstood part of the Bill is when, and by whom, records of Census would be accessible. In relation to this, there is confusion regarding references to the "twenty-year period" that is subject to "certain condititions" stipulated in an "undertaking", the terms of which are not yet known. Jeff Paul, assistant to Senator Milne is making every attempt to obtain the terms of this "undertaking". The "Summary" of Bill S-13, subsection (4) and (4)(a), as well as the first paragraph of the "backgrounder" attached to the CNW News Release Wednesday from Allan Rocks office, all indicate that records of Census from 1911 to 2001 WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE to genealogical researchers, 92 YEARS after collection, subject to the signing of an "undertaking". Subsection (4) and (4)(b) say the same thing for those conducting HISTORICAL research. Subsection (4)(b)(i) and (ii), and the third paragraph of the CNW News Release indicate historical research projects would be required to be confirmed by appropriate peers or community leaders, and would also be subject to the signing of an "undertaking". The requirements for confirmation by peers for historical research projects DO NOT APPLY TO GENEALOGY RESEARCH. The terms of the "undertaking" are not yet known but in the CNW News Release the second paragraph of the "backgrounder" states "Genealogists or their authorized representatives would agree in advance that they would release only tombstone information pertaining to their own family members. Tombstone information is defined as name, address, age, sex, marital status, origin and occupation.". It is believed that the "undertaking" would not so much restrict who may access the records, but would prevent either genealogical or historical researchers from passing on any information, other than the "tombstone" information mentioned above, prior to the expiration of the twenty year period.. Subsections (5) and (6) are, I believe, self-explanatory. Subsection (7) is where the "twenty year" period comes into play. The twenty year period from 92 to 112 years, is the period during which the terms of the "undertaking" are in effect. It DOES NOT MEAN that no access would be allowed until after 112 years. Access would still be available after 92 years. After 112 years there would be no requirement for a researcher to sign an "undertaking", nor would there be any restriction on what information from Census might be released by the researcher. This provision applies only to those Censuses up to that of 2001. Subsection (8) is an "informed consent" provision that, as it stands, is an "opt-in" option. This would require every individual enumerated in a Census from 2006 and later to give their consent for release to the public 92 years in the future. Without that consent, their records would not be made available. For an "opt-in" provision those who fail to complete the option because of apathy, or they do not care one way or the other, are considered to be negative responses. This would result in an extremely fragmented history. Subsection (9) indicates any researcher of a census from 2006 or later may, 92 years after collection, disclose any information found in that Census. There is no "twenty year" period connected with any Census from 2006 or later, and no "undertaking" to be signed. Subsection (10) is likely the most important of the clauses in Bill S-13. It guarantees that the records of every Historical Census still under the control of Statistics Canada, and every Census yet to be taken, will be transferred to the National Archives of Canada, 92 years after it is collected. Never again could the Chief Statistician refuse to turn control of the records over to the National Archivist and never again would researchers have to go through again what we have gone through for the past 5 or 6 years. Not only does Subsection (10) guarantee the transfer of records to the National Archives, but it contains wording that ensures the release of the records for examination by researchers. The remainder of the Bill should be self-explanatory. As requested above, please read the Bill again, keeping in mind my explanations. Senator Lorna Milne wants to know your concerns regarding Bill S-13. In sending those concerns to her keep in mind that she has been working very hard on our behalf. If it were not for her we would not now have unrestricted access to the 1906 Census records. Do not just send a message saying "I don't like it!" This is your opportunity to politely say what you like or do not like about it, and to offer constructive comments on what you believe would be necessary to improve it. Senator Milne's email address is milnel@sen.parl.gc.ca . Please copy me at gordon_watts@telus.net when sending your messages to her. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Searching for descendants of Angus McDonald, born c.1828. 1881 Lochiel, Glengarry Co., Canada Census, lists him, with his family on page 74. Children listed with him were Mary, twin sons Rory & Duncan, Catherine,Sarah, Kenneth, Mary Ann, Donald, Bella, Maggie. Need to prove or disprove this Angus McDonald was a son of Kenneth R. McDonald, who is also listed on 1881 Lochiel census, living with Donald McDonald. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Hello, I am searching for information on a James CLARK, whom I'm told might have been Scottish. All I know so far is that he was probably born from 1790 to 1800, or possibly earlier, but I have no idea where. .. James was a Mariner, so he might have moved around. He was living in Little Compton, RI, in the 1820's. In 1829, he moved to Westport, MA (on RI border), and married Mrs. Rhoda (MANCHESTER) LAVARE. James and Rhoda CLARK had a daughter, Mary Anna, born in ~1837. In 1844, James left on a whaling ship to head towards the Indian Ocean. In 1845, he "deserted" in Sydney, Australia. (I believe this to be true, no proof I have the correct James Clark.) In the 1850 Census, Mrs. Rhoda Clark is in Westport, with her daughter, Mary, 13, and her adult-children (LAVARE); James is not there. No one seems to know of this James CLARK in southern New England (MA, RI, CT) .. and it has been suggested that he was possibly a "Scottish immigrant" who might have been in Nova Scotia first (1810's? 1820?) We also do not know if James had a first marriage. Although I suspect this might be possible. His daughter, Mrs. Mary (CLARK) DEXTER, seems to have known CLARK family members in the late 1800's, namely, William CLARK and George CLARK. Thank you for your time. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) FYI: In 1892, John and Mary (CLARK) DEXTER, while in their 50's, adopted a baby girl. They re-named her to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER. When this girl grew up, she met and married George KERR. George's father, William Robert KERR, had been born in 1852 in Argenteuil County, Quebec Province, Canada. He probably migrated to Boston, MA, around 1872, and married Elizabeth HANNAH (from Glasgow, Scotland) in Boston a few years later. "There are two lasting bequests we can give our children; one is roots, the other is wings." Hodding Carter, Jr.

Greetings All. FYI. The following message from Senator Lorna Milne was posted to the Canada-Census-Campaign mail list this morning. Please pass it to others concerned about the proposed Census legislation. Thank you. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [CCC] Message from Senator Lorna Milne Dearest Friends: When I arrived at the office this morning I was not at all surprised to find my inbox filled with comments, concerns, and even a little outright anger about the new census bill. You're right, it does not allow for 100% clean and total access after 92 years, but as I have said on many occasions, comprises have to be made in order to gain access to the historical record. My message to you is "DON'T PANIC". We all have to understand that the real choice we are making is not between this legislation and complete unfettered access to the historical census. The real choice is either this framework or never having any access to census records ever again. This bill guarantees forever that the census returns will be turned over to the National Archives and never again will we face this deplorable situation. That having been said, I ask for two things from all of you: a little time, and a little trust. This fall and winter I asked you for a little time and a little trust as I was working behind the scenes to get the 1906 census released. You gave me that time and that trust and we won a battle. All of us now have the 1906 census at our desktops with unfettered access. I ask for your indulgence once more. If I have to cash in my chips with all of you to do that, then I think my chips will be well spent. Now, let me get specific with some of the things that people have been asking about this bill. Does this bill mean that access to the census records will only be available in Ottawa? NO. The 1911 and subsequent historic censuses will be available online. I have the personal assurance from the National Archivist that web technology will easily accommodate any undertaking that is required by regulation. Will we be able to browse the census records fully? Yes we will. Nothing will be withheld from you. For 20 years there will be limitations on what you can publish from what you find in the census records. I have received assurances that these limitations will not be onerous. I have been given these assurances by people I know personally and have trusted for many many years. Why do we need to tack on another 20 years? Well, I must tell you that despite all of my comments about Dr. Fellegi over the years I must say that he has arrived at his legal opinion regarding confidentiality honestly. There is a real culture of secrecy over at Stats Canada because for so much of the work they do secrecy is absolutely required. They believe just as passionately that there was a promise as we believe that there was no promise. After some prodding from Minister Allan Rock, Statistics Canada is now willing to agree to disagree and move on with a compromise. They are willing to say that there is ambiguity if we are. That isn't losing the war, that's winning it. In tough negotiations two sides can only move forward if they acknowledge the gaps they will never bridge and move on. This requires compromise. Don't forget that for 1911 through 2001 there is full and unfettered access after 112 years, and every census taken from now on will be released fully and in its entirety 92 years after the date of the census. There is no capitulation there. Another issue that I see is generating obvious concerns is the requirement that in the future people must consent to making their information public. To be honest, everyone, this isn't something that we can go forward without. I am sure that if each of you looks way down deep you will understand that people must have freedom of choice in this country. Privacy rights are real rights, and we can't ignore them. I don't think it is at all proper for any of us to force this down other people's throats. In all cases we are looking at a people's very private lives - just look at the 2001 long form! People should have a choice. This issue has become so big that the government can not ignore it on the next census. It would be irresponsible to fail to deal with it head on. That is why we must have informed consent. Let me give you one more reason why I am not worried about informed consent. When Revenue Canada asks people if they can send information to Elections Canada to put their name on the voters list, over 98% give permission. When Statistics Canada asks Canadians if they can link their census records to their health records for more detailed research, over 93% give permission. I have also been guaranteed that Statistics Canada will spend huge amounts of money begging Canadians to give permission for their returns to be stored in the National Archives. And I promise you that I will be right in there doing everything I can to promote as well. The bottom line is that the integrity of the record not be compromised. Will I be sponsoring the bill? Absolutely, and I am proud to do so. I wouldn't have it any other way. It means that I still have an element of control over how it maneuvers through the Senate. It also ensures that it will not drop off of the radar screen. We are very lucky right now because things are a bit quieter than usual in the Senate, and we should have time to get people to pay attention to us. Since I am the sponsor of the bill, I can use my role to take advantage of this lull. After all of this I know that many of you will still not be 100% happy. But don't forget, this isn't a law yet. Let me leave you with some food for thought. 36% of the government bills introduced in the Senate in the last session of Parliament were amended. Some of the bills that weren't amended include the Blue Water Bridge Authority Act, and the Tax Conventions Act - hardly controversial stuff. You should also know that the one line that Liberal Senators like to hear more than any other is: "I really like this government bill, would you let me help you make it better". It gives us lots of good work to do Once again, I ask for a little time and a little trust. This is a very good bill. We have won the war. We will write the history of this struggle, and our ancestors will find us in the census. If you have more concerns, post them here so we can all discuss them. I truly care about what you have to say. <<...OLE_Obj...>> ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Greetings All. My thanks to Elizabeth for pointing me in the direction of the following Canada News Wire release from the office of Allan Rock, Minister of Industry. I pass it on for your information. I found particularly interesting the backgrounder information as it adds a little more information to the legislation, a copy of which I posted earlier. As indicated in my previous post, I have my own opinions regarding the proposed legislation but will reserve comment for a day or two, preferring for the moment to receive your comments without them being influenced by mine. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Legislation to Enable Future Access to Historical Census Records OTTAWA, Feb. 5 /CNW/ - An Act to amend the Statistics Act was introduced in the Senate of Canada today. The proposed legislation will permit access to historical census records and establish new procedures for the release of future census records. On January 24th, 2003, Allan Rock, Minister of Industry and Minister responsible for Statistics Canada and Sheila Copps, Minister of Canadian Heritage and Minister responsible for the National Archives of Canada announced the immediate release of the 1906 census records. At the time, Minister Rock also announced that the Government would introduce legislation to clarify the Statistics Act in order to enable the release of records for censuses taken between 1911 and 2001. The proposed legislation will provide genealogists and historical researchers with access for genealogical, scholarly, cultural or educational purposes beginning 92 years after the census took place. After 112 years, the records will be fully released. "Census records remain the most commonly used tool in genealogical and historical research and I am pleased to sponsor this bill", said Senator Lorna Milne. "I believe this bill provides reasonable access to historical census records and meets the needs of genealogists and historians for information on their families and communities." The bill also establishes new procedures for balancing the importance of census records with the concerns for the protection of personal information. Starting with the 2006 Census, Canadians will be able to decide if they will allow their personal census information to be released publicly after 92 years. Individual census records would be released only where consent is given. To allow Canadians to decide in future censuses whether others can have access to their information is in keeping with the highest standard of privacy protection. "This bill paves the way for access to historical census records", said Minister Rock. "It meets the legitimate interests of genealogists and historians while continuing to put all appropriate safeguards in place to protect the privacy of individuals." Backgrounder An Act to Amend the Statistics Act - The bill will permit access to the 1911 to 2001 census records, 92 years after a census was taken. Access will be subject to specific conditions. - Genealogists or their authorized representatives would agree in advance that they would release only tombstone information pertaining to their own family members. Tombstone information is defined as name, address, age, sex, marital status, origin and occupation. - Historical researchers would have the public and scientific nature of their proposed research confirmed by appropriate peers or community leaders prior to starting their work. Again, only tombstone information could be released. - The conditions would be in effect for a 20 year period following the release of the historical census records 92 years after the census. After 112 years, the conditions would be removed and access and release would be unfettered. - The bill will allow Canadians to decide, starting with the 2006 Census, whether they allow their personal census information to be made publicly available 92 years after the census. Those census records would be made publicly available only when consent has been given. - Access to census records as specified in the legislation would be achieved by using existing National Archives access mechanisms. -30- For further information: Selena Beattie, Office of Allan Rock, Minister of Industry, (613) 995-9001; Media Relations, Statistics Canada, (613) 951-4636

I fairly recently subscribed to this List, and I think it's time to post my interest. I am studying the history and migration of the PORTEOUS and PORTEUS families (as well as other variant spellings, such as PORTAS, PORTESS, PORTIS, PORTICE, PORTUS - amongst many others). I'm researching the history and spread of the above names ­ especially the migration of members of any branches of this formerly small Borders family from southern Scotland - initially to England and Ireland, then to Canada and the US - and later to the former British colonies of New Zealand, Australia and South Africa (from the 17th through to the early 20th centuries), and the main original areas of settlement (cities, provinces and states). Any confirmed information regarding dates of emigration or arrival and places of origin and settlement would be appreciated. Bruce PORTEOUS Porteous Research Project Norfolk, England porteousresearch@mail.com http://porteous.digitalrice.com/

Thanks, Linda! I printed the poem for a relative who is not on line; I know she'll appreciate it too. Bettymae (McGregor) Ryland.

Hi, You will find your Kenneth on Family Search in the 1881 Canadian census. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp Enter his name, age, +/- 2 years, born Scotland, Scottish , Census night at Ontario, Glengarry. Up he popped living with his son Donald 61,and his son's wife Nancy 55, grandchildren Catherine 22, Flora 20, Christie 18 at Lochiel Glengarry It says he was born 1806, Scotland, aged 75,widowed, Scottish, roman catholic, living with Donald McDonald On Canadian National Archives 1871 census he is there as Kenneth McDonald aged 72, Born Scotland, religion, Roman Catholic, Scottish, Labourer. Living in District 74, Sub district B, p143, Glengarry, Lancaster township. I couldn't find the OFCA site to look up cemetery entries. Someone else on list probably has it . Try also the Ontario Genealogy site for Glengarry County . http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/countydistrictpages.html The McGill University has digital maps of Glengarry worth looking up http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/Country Atlas/ Goodhunting Bobbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Osborn Reese" <akmac02@yahoo.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] McDonald, Kenneth b. c1804 Scotland, died January 1888 Lochiel, Ont. Canada > Seeking information on ancestors, siblings, and > children of Kenneth R. McDonald,[most frequent > spelling of last name], born c. 1804, Scotland. Died > January 1, 1888, Lochiel, Glengarry Co. Ontario, > Canada. Age at death 83 yrs. He was Roman Catholic. > Uncertain as when he emigrated to Canada but believe > it was 1841-1851 I would also like to obtain a copy > of his death notice, obituary, and funeral notice, and > the name of the cemetery where he is buried. Any > information will be appreciated. Thank you. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, I'm looking for any information on a Oliver Riddle born in County Tyrone in 1815, emigrated to Carleton Cnty about 1834. I'm trying to find out who his parents or siblings where. Thanks for any help Kathy in kPa

Bruce, Checked your data that you have the link for and noticed that you have a Simon Porteous Drumadown, Ireland - Manvers Township, County Durham, (?) Canada. I have a Sarah Margaret Porteous born abt 1859 in Manvers Twp and sister Charlotte and both are listed as being Irish. Their parent's were Robert Porteous born about 1812 and Mary Fallis born 1823. I'll look in the book of Manvers settlers and see if it lists where Robert was born but he died in 1894 so isn't on the 1901 census to check. Sherry

Greetings All. The long awaited government legislation to deal with continued access to Historic Census records was presented to the Senate of Canada this afternoon by Senator Lorna Milne. Senator Milne had been asked to sponsor the Bill in the Senate. I copy below the text of the new Bill, for which I do not yet have a number. I have my own opinions regarding this Bill but will reserve my comments for the moment. In reading this Bill, keep in mind that it is subject to amendment. As always, I am interested in your comments. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Summary This enactment removes a legal ambiguity in relation to access to census records taken between 1910 and 2003. It allows genealogical and historical researchers access to these records under certain conditions for a 20-year period, beginning 92 years after the census took place. One hundred and twelve years after the census, anyone may examine the records without restriction. Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows: 1. Section 17 of the Statistics Act is amended by adding the following after subsection (3): (4) The information contained in the returns of any census of population taken between 1910 and 2003 may, starting ninety-two years after the census is taken, be examined by (a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking in the form prescribed by regulation: or (b) a person wishing to conduct historical research if (i) their research project is approved by a person who is a member of a category of persons prescribed by regulation, and (ii) they sign an undertaking in the form prescribed by regulation (5) In deciding whether to approve a historical research project, a person must assess the public and scientific value of the research. (6) A person who signs an undertaking under subsection (4) shall comply with the undertaking. (7) The information contained in the returns of any census of population taken between 1910 and 2003 may, stating one hundred and twelve years after the census is taken, be examined by anyone (8) The information contained in the returns of population taken in 2006 or later may, starting ninety-two years after the census is taken, be examined by any-one if the person to whom the information relates had, at the time of the census, given their consent to disclosure of the information. (9) A person who examines information under subsection (7) or (8) may disclose that information. (10) The returns of each census referred to in subsection (4) or (8) shall, ninety-two years after the census is taken, be transferred to the National Archives of Canada in order to permit their examination under subsection (4), (7) or (8). 2. The Act is amended by adding the following after section 17: 17.1 (1) The Governor in Council may, on the recommendation of the Minister and the Minister of Canadian Heritage, make regulations (a) prescribing the forms of undertaking for the purposes of paragraph (17)(4)(a) and subparagraph 17(4)(b)(ii); and (b) prescribing categories of persons for the purposes of subparagraph 17(4)(b)(i). (2) A form of undertaking prescribed under paragraph (1)(a) may include conditions relating to the use and disclosure of the information to which the undertaking relates. 3. The act is amended by adding the following after section 35; 35.1 Every person who contravenes subsection 17(6) is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars 4. This Act comes into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.

Hi - You might try putting this on the nova scotia list or the ns cumberland county list as this name appears in that area. Good Luck. --- Bruce Porteous <bruceporteous@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I fairly recently subscribed to this List, and I > think it's time > to post my interest. > > I am studying the history and migration of the > PORTEOUS and > PORTEUS families (as well as other variant > spellings, such as > PORTAS, PORTESS, PORTIS, PORTICE, PORTUS - amongst > many others). > > I'm researching the history and spread of the above > names � > especially the migration of members of any branches > of this > formerly small Borders family from southern Scotland > - initially > to England and Ireland, then to Canada and the US - > and later to > the former British colonies of New Zealand, > Australia and South > Africa (from the 17th through to the early 20th > centuries), and > the main original areas of settlement (cities, > provinces and > states). > > Any confirmed information regarding dates of > emigration or > arrival and places of origin and settlement would be > appreciated. > > Bruce PORTEOUS > > Porteous Research Project > Norfolk, England > > porteousresearch@mail.com > http://porteous.digitalrice.com/ > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest > Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and > message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

I am not an authority on bigamy but do know of an example from here in Saskatchewan. A book was written regarding the same situation you describe and no there were no questions asked when the gentleman remarried. Wife #1 came from Scotland looking for her husband and was later found dead in a small community not far from where we live. Don't know if this was the norm, but in this case no questions were asked until wife #1 turned up dead.

Good evening, list, I have a question regarding Canadian marriages in the early 1900s. If someone were married in Scotland and later emigrated to Canada sans spouse and decided to marry someone else, would anyone even bother to check out whether or not this person already had a spouse? My guess is that, if the person did not confess, no one would know or care or have any way to research it. Does this sound reasonable?

Hi Myra, There are a number of entries for Williaw EDGAR in the LDS search site. Go to www.familysearch.org click on search, then enter William Edgar; birth; 5yrs; 1849. Good hunting. Ernie..........Ontario..........Canada >From: "Myra Bolt" <myrra@tpg.com.au> >Reply-To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SCTCDN] After Census 1871 >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:36:13 +1000 > >Hullo List, I am searching for William Edgar who migrated from Maybole, >Ayrshire, Scotland abt 1862, to Ontario being on the 1871 Federal Census of >1871 (Ontario Index) age 22. which says he was a Stray: but other >information is the same as ArchiviaNet - Index to the 1871 Census of >Ontario, hopefully he is my ancestor. If I knew who he was staying with at >the time I would have a better chance to locate him. Could you please tell >me when the next census' were available. Many tks. Myra Bolt > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > >==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if >Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Seeking information on ancestors, siblings, and children of Kenneth R. McDonald,[most frequent spelling of last name], born c. 1804, Scotland. Died January 1, 1888, Lochiel, Glengarry Co. Ontario, Canada. Age at death 83 yrs. He was Roman Catholic. Uncertain as when he emigrated to Canada but believe it was 1841-1851 I would also like to obtain a copy of his death notice, obituary, and funeral notice, and the name of the cemetery where he is buried. Any information will be appreciated. Thank you. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com