Hi Lou, Personally I have heard of both, but I don't know if they go hand in hand.... Automatically when I hear Orange or Orangmen I think Ireland, and the parades of July 12th that are held in Ireland that can be quite volatile, ie...Protestant vs. Catholic......something to do with King William 3rd. also known as William of Orange! I don't know much about either so perhaps someone who is more in the know of the two can answer your question, I found this online and am cutting and pasting for you to read..... Christine ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________ IRISH JOURNAL OF ANTHROPOLOGY, VOL 3 1998, pp. 97-102 Reviews Neil Jarman. Material Conflicts: Parades and Visual Displays in Northern Ireland. Oxford and New York: Berg 1997. Pp x + 290 photographs, bibliography and index. ISBN 1 85973 124 4 Cloth; 1 85973 129 5 paper. In a year when parades have been the focus for major controversy, Neil Jarman could scarcely have chosen a better moment to publish a study of parades. His book gives an account of parades for the last 300 years, drawn mainly from the Belfast and Dublin newspapers. He buttresses this with ethnographic field research, mainly in Belfast, and he looks at the visual accoutrements of parades, the banners, arches and murals. In the eighteenth century, he argues, processions by the great and the good were intended to impress the lower classes with their might and majesty. Both the state and the city corporations held regular processions, as did, from the 1720s, the Order of Freemasons. In the later eighteenth century, parades became a major feature of the Volunteer militias, and more generally they became part of popular culture. Important to this evolving picture was the figure of King William. From soon after the victory at the Boyne, Williamite anniversaries provided occasions for stately perambulation. By the mid-eighteenth century, King William was a popular figure, for example, giving the title "Orange" to Belfast"s Masonic lodge. This symbolism was unfortunately dogged by a deadly ambiguity. For the Establishment, and no doubt for Belfast"s Freemasons, King William was the opponent of Catholic absolutism, champion of constitutional, almost republican freedoms. But for many in Ireland, William symbolised defeat and repression. Despairing of William"s capacity symbolically to unify the population, Dublin Castle eventually tried to divert the population towards celebrating St Patrick on 17 March. By 1822, therefore, processions on St Patrick"s Day, were a well-established custom, and King William had become simply a Protestant hero. With the foundation of the Orange Order in 1795, processions commemorating King William became more popular, especially among the rural Protestant poor. As the nineteenth century progressed, however, not only Orangemen, but also Ribbonmen and Freemasons held processions, each of them trying, sometimes with violence, to discourage the processions of their rivals. For long periods in the nineteenth century, parading was declared illegal, and it was not until 1872 that the right to process was finally established. From 1872, Orange Order processions lost at least some of their casual violence and became a more formalised and stolid expression of Protestant solidarity against the threat of Home Rule. They were popular not only among the working classes but also among the middle class and gentry. Such was the appeal of the Orange Order that after partition in 1921, the Twelfth of July became virtually a state occasion celebrating the dominance of a Protestant people in a Protestant state. Protestant opposition to the Twelfth, found not among only sections of the middle class and gentry but also importantly among fundamentalists, remained muted. After a heyday between the wars, the popularity of the loyal orders sank somewhat, and it took the Troubles of the late 1960s to revive their fortunes. The book also considers the parades of Catholic and nationalists, from those of the Ribbonmen in the early nineteenth century, through the more conservative Ancient Order of Hibernians and the Irish National Foresters at the end of the century, to the Republican parades of the present day. These processions, he says, were confined by Protestant mobs and authorities alike to geographical areas of Catholic preponderance. He also examines in tantalizing brevity the parades of the Freemasons whom he sees as a fading but worthy beacon of non-sectarianism. And he looks at the Civil Rights marches of the late 1960s. The book looks rather exclusively at controversial parades, especially those of nationalists and loyalists, and one wonders if this does not somewhat distort the picture. In the late 1840s, at a temporary restoration of the legality of parading, he gives a glimpse of the processions of the "Freemasons, Ribbonmen, Thrashers or Repealers," the Belfast Teetotal Societies, the Independent Tent of Rechabites, Dr Spratt's Teetotalers and Father Mathew's Benevolent Society." By the Great War, however, this trickle of parading bodies had become a river. Now there were Shepherds, Good Templars, Boys Brigade, Catch My Pal, Catholic sodalities, trade unions and countless others. One would like to have seen more of a mention of these groups. Why, for example, is there no mention of the great Corpus Christi processions which annually halted the traffic in Belfast"s Falls Road? Orange processions may have been the most conspicuous of Ulster"s parades, but they were also the least typical. Jarman considers how processions, arches and murals are used to define territory. Arches­­early ones were floral and sometimes consisted of little more than a string of flowers across a road­­were widely used at both official and non-official demonstrations in Ireland from at least the eighteenth century. Interestingly, he sees the painting of murals­­which began in Belfast in the early twentieth century­­as an extension of that of building arches. Both arches and murals, he says, define a territory ethnically, and in some cases, therefore, the raising of an arch or the painting of a mural has been an occasion for riot. Looking at the territorial significance of the parades themselves, he relies on ethnographic observation especially on Belfast's Sandy Row. Not only do parades give definition to contentious areas, but also they create a symbolic unification of the "county" as the diverse lodges and districts come together in a single unified parade. He suggests that the cycle of Orange parades over a period of years symbolically defines the whole province as both united and Protestant, since scarcely a town or village is excluded from at least an occasional Orange procession. Perhaps this analysis makes an over-simple assumption that to parade through an area implies that the area "belongs" to the people who parade. Processions of Boy Scouts, for example, have taken place annually in most Ulster towns and villages for much of this century. But if an Orange procession defines a territory as "belonging" to the Protestants, why does not a procession of Boy Scouts define an area as "belonging" to the Scouts? Another aspect of the processions is religion. This is discussed most closely in a very thorough analysis of different kinds of banner. It might have been good to see more mention of the rituals which gives so much meaning to what is displayed on banners, arches and murals. It would have been good too to have seen a fuller description of the qualitative difference between the Twelfth of July processions and the more sober "church parades." At least some of the heat generated over disputed parades in 1996-97 arose from attempts to stop church parades which Orangemen have seldom seen as triumphalist or territory-defining. It is easy, however, to quibble over a topic so familiar and controversial. Jarman"s book gives an excellent account of the controversial parades of Ireland, showing how the pattern of parading has changed quite drastically over three hundred years. His study is important for it shows how parades are not an immutable part of "Ulster tradition," but that they have been subject to change. 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Was there any connection between the Orange Lodge and the Masons? I never heard of the Orange Lodge before. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "canada orangeroots" <canadaorangeroots@email.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Orange Lodge Certificate > Some list members who had family in the Orange Lodge may be interested in the photo at the below url of an Orange Lodge Transfer Certificate from Scotland. > > http://orangeroots.tripod.com/photo4.htm > > This was of the type brought with them by members coming to Canada > > Canada's Orange Roots > http://orangeroots.tripod.com/ca.html > Email: canadaorangeroots@email.com > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Some list members who had family in the Orange Lodge may be interested in the photo at the below url of an Orange Lodge Transfer Certificate from Scotland. http://orangeroots.tripod.com/photo4.htm This was of the type brought with them by members coming to Canada Canada's Orange Roots http://orangeroots.tripod.com/ca.html Email: canadaorangeroots@email.com -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers

http://www.orangenet.org/stasi.htm http://www.thelodgeroom.com/history.html The groups were quite different - some sites with information

Greetings All. Even though Bill S-13 was scheduled for further debate this past Friday, the House of Commons did not finish other business in time to have the next session of Second Reading debate on this Bill. Although the Parliamentary Calendar shows the House should be sitting all this week, the Projected Order of Business is so far posted only for today and Tuesday. In what is posted so far, Bill S-13 is not yet scheduled for further debate. We will keep you advised on any changes or further developments. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. There was no further S-13 debate today in the House of Commons. For those interested the S-13 debate extracted from Hansard for Monday has been placed online on the Post 1901 Census Project website. For direct access to the debate click on the following URL http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Hse31.htm We will keep you updated on further debates. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. You are all aware that the Canada Census Committee has undertaken a second legal action in an attempt to compell Statistics Canada to transfer records of the 1911 National Census of Canada to the National Archives for subsequent release to the public. That action, Beatty v AG Canada et al is being conducted by Calgary Lawyer Lois Sparling. Lois advises that our action has reached a point where your urgent assistance is required. To find out how you can help, please visit the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Follow the first link on the home page, i.e. "Your Assistance is Required NOW!!" Thank you all for your continued support. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

For anyone interested, Bill S-13 is being discussed live right now (6:25 pm EDT) on CPAC. Sally

Greetings All. While many of us thought that Second Reading debate in the House of Commons re: Bill S-13 was unlikely to take place before government prorogued, it appears that we may have under-estimated the government's desire to have something passed before the courts deal with our current legal action. (This is speculation on my part.) The first session of this debate has just finished. The opening speaker was Serge Marcil (Liberal), Parliamentary Secretary to Industry Minister Allan Rock. It is unfortunate that Mr. Rock did not see fit to open the debate himself. Others speaking to the Bill were Brian Masse (NDP), Larry Bagnell (Liberal), Grant McNally (CA), Paul Crete (Bloc), Peter Adams (Liberal), Paul Szabo (Liberal) and Gerald Keddy (PC). One Member spoke briefly on two occasions. He seems to have a one track mind stuck on 'privacy in perpetuity'. In my humble opinion his one track mind is 'derailed'. I will not mention his name here but in reading the Hansard transcription of the debate there will be no doubt about who it is. The Hansard transcription will not be online until tomorrow. I should be able to have it on the Post 1901 Census Project website by Wednesday. I assume that debate will continue tomorrow (Tuesday) and each Hansard transcription will be placed on the website as soon as possible. The motion before the House is to have Second Reading on S-13 and refer it to the House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology. I have already notified the Clerk of the Committee that I wish to testify before the Committee. Anyone considering submitting written submissions to the Committee should start working on them now. Contact information for the Committee is as follows: Louise M. Thibault, Clerk House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology, House of Commons 180 Wellington Street 671, Wellington Ottawa, Ontario, K1A0A6 Tel (613) 947-1971 Fax (613) 943-0307 Email: INST@parl.gc.ca I will post the MPs currently on the Committee in a subsequent message. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. Forwarded for your information. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@sen.parl.gc.ca> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:34 AM Subject: [CCC] S-13 House of Commons Good morning gang: Just a quick note to let everyone know that S-13 is on the projected order of business for the House today. It is scheduled third, and therefore it is not likely that it will come up, but it is at least possible. Government business starts at noon today and continues until 6:30 pm. The only interruption will be question period, and general orders or the day. That means there will be a break between 2 and roughly 3:30. Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965

I have my grandfathers sister who married a William Rattray (Bill) in fife scotland they had a son Alec who came to new zealand any relation?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Rattray" <rattrayk@nornet.on.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:42 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: Reposting Interests > Any/all RATTRAY in Perthshire, Angus, Fife, Aberdeenshire, and Canada. > > Thanks in advance. > > KEITH > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 06-Oct-03

Any/all RATTRAY in Perthshire, Angus, Fife, Aberdeenshire, and Canada. Thanks in advance. KEITH

Greetings All. My apologies if you have already received the message below. When sent earlier the only place it appeared to go to was never-never land. There seems to some problem at the moment with my sending messages to multiple addresses. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: Canada Census Campaign Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Post 1901 Census - Muriel Davidson Greetings all. I have just received a message from Ross Milne, Senator Lorna Milne's other half, advising that my Co-chair on the Canada Census Committee, Muriel M. Davidson, is currently in the hospital. Muriel has had some medical problems for a few months that have now resulted in her admission to the hospital. She has advised Ross that she expects to be home soon. I am sure that many of you will want to join me in wishing Muriel a speedy and lasting recovery from her current difficulties. For those that might wish to express their personal good wishes to Muriel on her return home, her email address is muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Get well soon Muriel. Our thoughts are with you. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

You might try the lists that are specific to Howard Township, for which you could find the county on "Ontario Locator". Yhis list is very general ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Gray" <malstgray@bigpond.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:36 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] McKinlay, Stewart, Buchanan > Hello from Australia, this is my first posting to the list > I Am researching descendants of Duncan McKinlay from Inverhaggernie, Killin, Perthshire, Scotland > he had 2 marriages; the first about 1835 in Howard Twp to Sarah McEwan who died 1837; the second to Ann Leslie McLean 1839 in either Harwich or howard > also > descendants of James McKinlay of Ardchullary Callander Perthshire, he married Mary Blue 1822 in Aldborough Twp > also > Descendants of Robert McLaren of Anie Callander Perthshire & Catherine McKinlay five of their sons emigrated to North America; one John b 1820 settled in Michigan and married Mary Addy > Archibald b 1824 in Callander, died 1911 in Orford Twp > Donald b 1829 m ? Canada Janet mcKinlay & died 1912 in Howard > James b 1822 m 1847 Callander Mary Buchanan & d 1849 Howard, what happened to Mary? > Duncan b 1831 Callander m Nancy McKinlay 1866 Kent Co. > Also > Looking for Stewart's from Callander who emigrated en-masse mid 1800's > as well as Buchanan, McNab(b) McNaughton, Ferguson, McLarty, Campbell, Cameron, just to name a few > Regards Malcolm > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello from Australia, this is my first posting to the list I Am researching descendants of Duncan McKinlay from Inverhaggernie, Killin, Perthshire, Scotland he had 2 marriages; the first about 1835 in Howard Twp to Sarah McEwan who died 1837; the second to Ann Leslie McLean 1839 in either Harwich or howard also descendants of James McKinlay of Ardchullary Callander Perthshire, he married Mary Blue 1822 in Aldborough Twp also Descendants of Robert McLaren of Anie Callander Perthshire & Catherine McKinlay five of their sons emigrated to North America; one John b 1820 settled in Michigan and married Mary Addy Archibald b 1824 in Callander, died 1911 in Orford Twp Donald b 1829 m ? Canada Janet mcKinlay & died 1912 in Howard James b 1822 m 1847 Callander Mary Buchanan & d 1849 Howard, what happened to Mary? Duncan b 1831 Callander m Nancy McKinlay 1866 Kent Co. Also Looking for Stewart's from Callander who emigrated en-masse mid 1800's as well as Buchanan, McNab(b) McNaughton, Ferguson, McLarty, Campbell, Cameron, just to name a few Regards Malcolm

Hi, The government of Ontario Web page is www.gov.on.ca. I am a record specialist for the Ontario Realty Corporaition and I did a look up for you. Here is what I found: Kennedy House Youth Center 333-335 MAIN ST N UXBRIDGE, Ontario (North of Ajax I have no other information in our database and have no idea if it is still around. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/services/visiting.htm -----Original Message----- From: pip2309@yahoo.ca [mailto:pip2309@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:47 PM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope Here's a list of long-term care facilities in Ontario. If you do a search within the page for "Ajax", you'll find a couple in the area along with email addresses. I don't know if they'll give you any information, but perhaps if you quote the newspaper article.... Other nearby towns where the band may have performed are Pickering and Whitby, but Ajax seems the most likely. http://www.oltca.com/en/source/custom/cFacilityProcessAll.cfm Sally Leslie wrote: > A while ago, I checked a few newspapers from around that time, but did not > find anything. Then I forgot!! Just now, though, I might have found a > break and started to use my brain. There is nothing in the article you have > to say that SHE went to Expo - the band did! So I tried another tactic. I > am not too bad with a search engine and I found a student who went there at > that time and played in a rock band! So I e-mailed him on your behalf (long > shot) to ask whether he or friends might know about her. Here is a site on > the school. http://www.district13.on.ca/school_histories.htm > > Now, my brain is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........Most likely, though, at > 84, she would not be working! Duh. She might be in a retirement home near > the school, though, vs. working!!!!! That band goes and plays at various > Kinsmen events, so they probably played at the home. So I would be looking > up retirement homes that were around in Durham near the Ajax High School in > 1986. Since, she was a cook, these would likely be publicly funded ones, > not expensive private homes. She obviously appreciated the event! Good > for her. The government of Ontario would have records on retirement homes > too. I forget where you live, but they would have records and would share > them with a relative! Toronto phone books are available in Toronto > libraries. If you are not in Toronto near a library, you might join the > rootsweb list that covers the Durham area and request a library look-up. > Scots-in-Canada has some Toronto people, but the Durham area would have many > more. Or contact the local genealogical association for Ajax. > > Have you looked her up in the Ajax phone book for, say 1958, when you can > be fairly sure she was working??? > > When I looked up "Kennedy House", I learned about how today, the place is > kind of a rough place to work and has some union issues BUT, it is a > government organization and she would have belonged to the union. Privacy > concerns may preclude getting further information, as she was alive until > recently (in genealogical terms), so you would have to tread lightly in > asking for information, but as time goes on, those records will probably > become available to you. They might confirm dates of employment or union > membership. And Kennedy House may have staff photos or party information. > http://www.opseu.org/news/Press2003/july102003.htm > > Good luck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Paterson" <robynpaterson@clear.net.nz> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope > > > >>Hi Leslie, >>Just wondering if you have had any chance with this?? >>I have since established that she worked as a cook for a boys high school >>but it may have been for a place called The Kennedy House in Ajax which > > was > >>a juvenile boys home I believe. >>Regards Robyn >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> >>To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope >> >> >> >>>Robyn: >>> >>>I live in Vancouver, B.C., so I will see what I can find, but way after >> >>the >> >>>March 31 - year end. Work intrudes on the genealogy projects I love, > > but > >>>this information has to be here somewhere, as it is relatively recent. >>> >>>Leslie >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robyn Paterson" <robynpaterson@clear.net.nz> >>>To: <scots-in-canada-l@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:49 PM >>>Subject: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi I am hoping someone can help me. >>>>Janet Wardrope was born in Stirling Scotland abt 1902 and moved to >> >>Canada. >> >>>She never married and died in Canada i believe some time after an > > article > >>in >> >>>a paper there. >>> >>>>I have a photo copy of the articel which is a picture showing her > > thats > >>>from saturday 8 February 1986 press run titled and the beat goes on... >>> >>>>Janet Wardrope 84 wails away on the skins, accompanied, left to right > > by > >>>Ajax High School Band members Andrea Donovan, Adrian Pleasants and Scott >>>Coleman. The Band heading for expo 86 in Vancouver this summer, and >> >>recently >> >>>staged a concert, sponsered by Ajax Kinsmen, here at home for area >> >>seniors. >> >>>>I am trying to find out details of the home this refers to and what >>> >>>happened to Janet Wardrope and if she appears on any census for canada. >>> >>>>Any assistance any one can give me would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >>>>UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > (D > >>if >> >>>Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. >>> >>>>============================== >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >>records, >> >>>go to: >>> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >>>UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D > > if > >>Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. >> >>>============================== >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > >>go to: >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23-Sep-03 >> >> >>==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >>Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Find your ancestors, before they find you! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== Great, great, grandpa, Where are you? ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The current census available in Canada is 1901. You could try the Durham Region Board of Education and they may be able to help you track down more information on her employment. The large news papers in Toronto (Ajax is 20 minutes east) are the Toronto Star, Toronto Sun and the Globe and Mail. There is also the National, but, it only started a few years ago. In addition, local papers is made by Metroland Publishers. Surrounding towns in Ajax are Pickering, Whitby and Oshawa where I live. Ajax was a war manufacture town and home of part of the University of Toronto at one point. Hopes this helps. Janet -----Original Message----- From: norman behan [mailto:behan@mb.sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:15 AM To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] JANET WARDROPE/WARDROP There is a website for Ajax High School at http://www.ajaxhs.com/index.htm Ajax is located near Toronto, Ontario on the banks of Lake Ontario. Sheila Behan Robyn Paterson wrote: > Hi I am hoping someone can help me. > Janet Wardrope was born in Stirling Scotland abt 1902 and moved to Canada. > She never married and died in Canada i believe about 1988 a few years after an article in a paper there. > I have a photo copy of the articel which is a picture showing her thats from saturday 8 February 1986 press run titled and the beat goes on... > Janet Wardrope 84 wails away on the skins, accompanied, left to right by Ajax High School Band members Andrea Donovan, Adrian Pleasants and Scott Coleman. The Band heading for expo 86 in Vancouver this summer, and recently staged a concert, sponsered by Ajax Kinsmen, here at home for area seniors. > An Elderly member of the family who has a problem with memory recall has advised me that Janet was employed as a cook at a boys high school so i am wondering if it was this one. > While employed as a cook Janet became a mother figure to a handicapped boy who later moved in with her at her flat where she looked after him until she died apparently. > > I am trying to find out details of the home this refers to and what happened to Janet Wardrope and if she appears on any census for canada. > > Any assistance any one can give me would be greatly appreciated. > > Robyn > New Zealand > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 24-Sep-03 > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== FAMILY HISTORY: a quiltwork of lives ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Leslie, Just wondering if you have had any chance with this?? I have since established that she worked as a cook for a boys high school but it may have been for a place called The Kennedy House in Ajax which was a juvenile boys home I believe. Regards Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope > Robyn: > > I live in Vancouver, B.C., so I will see what I can find, but way after the > March 31 - year end. Work intrudes on the genealogy projects I love, but > this information has to be here somewhere, as it is relatively recent. > > Leslie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Paterson" <robynpaterson@clear.net.nz> > To: <scots-in-canada-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:49 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope > > > > > > Hi I am hoping someone can help me. > > Janet Wardrope was born in Stirling Scotland abt 1902 and moved to Canada. > She never married and died in Canada i believe some time after an article in > a paper there. > > I have a photo copy of the articel which is a picture showing her thats > from saturday 8 February 1986 press run titled and the beat goes on... > > Janet Wardrope 84 wails away on the skins, accompanied, left to right by > Ajax High School Band members Andrea Donovan, Adrian Pleasants and Scott > Coleman. The Band heading for expo 86 in Vancouver this summer, and recently > staged a concert, sponsered by Ajax Kinsmen, here at home for area seniors. > > > > I am trying to find out details of the home this refers to and what > happened to Janet Wardrope and if she appears on any census for canada. > > > > Any assistance any one can give me would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if > Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23-Sep-03

Here's a list of long-term care facilities in Ontario. If you do a search within the page for "Ajax", you'll find a couple in the area along with email addresses. I don't know if they'll give you any information, but perhaps if you quote the newspaper article.... Other nearby towns where the band may have performed are Pickering and Whitby, but Ajax seems the most likely. http://www.oltca.com/en/source/custom/cFacilityProcessAll.cfm Sally Leslie wrote: > A while ago, I checked a few newspapers from around that time, but did not > find anything. Then I forgot!! Just now, though, I might have found a > break and started to use my brain. There is nothing in the article you have > to say that SHE went to Expo - the band did! So I tried another tactic. I > am not too bad with a search engine and I found a student who went there at > that time and played in a rock band! So I e-mailed him on your behalf (long > shot) to ask whether he or friends might know about her. Here is a site on > the school. http://www.district13.on.ca/school_histories.htm > > Now, my brain is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........Most likely, though, at > 84, she would not be working! Duh. She might be in a retirement home near > the school, though, vs. working!!!!! That band goes and plays at various > Kinsmen events, so they probably played at the home. So I would be looking > up retirement homes that were around in Durham near the Ajax High School in > 1986. Since, she was a cook, these would likely be publicly funded ones, > not expensive private homes. She obviously appreciated the event! Good > for her. The government of Ontario would have records on retirement homes > too. I forget where you live, but they would have records and would share > them with a relative! Toronto phone books are available in Toronto > libraries. If you are not in Toronto near a library, you might join the > rootsweb list that covers the Durham area and request a library look-up. > Scots-in-Canada has some Toronto people, but the Durham area would have many > more. Or contact the local genealogical association for Ajax. > > Have you looked her up in the Ajax phone book for, say 1958, when you can > be fairly sure she was working??? > > When I looked up "Kennedy House", I learned about how today, the place is > kind of a rough place to work and has some union issues BUT, it is a > government organization and she would have belonged to the union. Privacy > concerns may preclude getting further information, as she was alive until > recently (in genealogical terms), so you would have to tread lightly in > asking for information, but as time goes on, those records will probably > become available to you. They might confirm dates of employment or union > membership. And Kennedy House may have staff photos or party information. > http://www.opseu.org/news/Press2003/july102003.htm > > Good luck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Paterson" <robynpaterson@clear.net.nz> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope > > > >>Hi Leslie, >>Just wondering if you have had any chance with this?? >>I have since established that she worked as a cook for a boys high school >>but it may have been for a place called The Kennedy House in Ajax which > > was > >>a juvenile boys home I believe. >>Regards Robyn >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> >>To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope >> >> >> >>>Robyn: >>> >>>I live in Vancouver, B.C., so I will see what I can find, but way after >> >>the >> >>>March 31 - year end. Work intrudes on the genealogy projects I love, > > but > >>>this information has to be here somewhere, as it is relatively recent. >>> >>>Leslie >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robyn Paterson" <robynpaterson@clear.net.nz> >>>To: <scots-in-canada-l@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:49 PM >>>Subject: [SCTCDN] Fw: Janet Wardrope >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi I am hoping someone can help me. >>>>Janet Wardrope was born in Stirling Scotland abt 1902 and moved to >> >>Canada. >> >>>She never married and died in Canada i believe some time after an > > article > >>in >> >>>a paper there. >>> >>>>I have a photo copy of the articel which is a picture showing her > > thats > >>>from saturday 8 February 1986 press run titled and the beat goes on... >>> >>>>Janet Wardrope 84 wails away on the skins, accompanied, left to right > > by > >>>Ajax High School Band members Andrea Donovan, Adrian Pleasants and Scott >>>Coleman. The Band heading for expo 86 in Vancouver this summer, and >> >>recently >> >>>staged a concert, sponsered by Ajax Kinsmen, here at home for area >> >>seniors. >> >>>>I am trying to find out details of the home this refers to and what >>> >>>happened to Janet Wardrope and if she appears on any census for canada. >>> >>>>Any assistance any one can give me would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >>>>UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > (D > >>if >> >>>Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. >>> >>>>============================== >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >>records, >> >>>go to: >>> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >>>UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L-request@rootsweb.com (D > > if > >>Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. >> >>>============================== >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > >>go to: >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23-Sep-03 >> >> >>==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >>Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Find your ancestors, before they find you! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Many thanks to all who responded to my query on what county ajax came under you have all been helpful in ruling out a death i thought i found for a great aunt in Lambton and saved me some money ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmiller4@bellatlantic.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] TOWN AJAX > Hi Robyn, > > I checked the Ontario Locator site. > > http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/search.html > > It says there's an Ajax in Pickering Township, Durham County. > > David in Pennsylvania > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Paterson" <robynpaterson@clear.net.nz> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:03 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] TOWN AJAX > > > > Can anyone tell me what county Ajax comes under could it be lambton? > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23-Sep-03 > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23-Sep-03