Greetings All. While the Federal Government continues to seek conditions and restrictions for genealogists seeking information on their ancestors through Historic Census records, they seem not to have the same qualms about placing personal information regarding our Parliamentary representative, past and present, on a website accessible to everyone on the net. On the home page for Canada's Parliament located at http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/index.asp?Language=E you will find a link labeled 'Family Relations in the Canadian Houses of Parliament'. This link takes you to another page located at http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/key/family-famille/index.asp?lang=E (If the link wraps to a second line in this message make sure you copy and paste the entire URL to access the page.) The opening of this page provides the following statement: "Occasionally, politics can be a family affair. We are pleased to provide you with parents and children, siblings, and spouses who have served in the Canadian Houses of Parliament, from Confederation (1867) to the current Parliament." Where more than one member of a family has been elected or appointed to either the House of Commons or the Senate information is provided on each of those members. That information includes date and place of birth, date of death, profession, political party, periods of Parliamentary service, caucus and Parliamentary functions. Where available a photograph is provided. Information is searchable in three categories -- 'Parents and Children', 'Siblings', and 'Spouses'. We have no complaint regarding the unrestricted access to this information regarding our Parliamentary representatives. We do however have some difficulty in knowing that under the conditions and restrictions being sought by the Federal Government for access to Historic Census records some of this very same information for ordinary people would be restricted from publication until 112 years after collection. It would appear that in this instance, 'Sauce for the Goose' is not necessarily 'Sauce for the Gander'! Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Bill, I just tried the online (incomplete) automated search for the Canadian 1901 and turned up a widowed George STOCKAND born Jan.18,1832 living in Ottawa with his daughter Ida born Sept.29, 1876 - your George the Elder? See http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html then click on the page number and see him. You should be able to find him in the regular 1901 images in District Ottawa, Subdistrict Ottawa City, St. George Ward, Sub-district number e-5, page 18, line 47 (and Ida at line 48) http://www.archives.ca/02/020122_e.html It's hit # 66 if you put in Ontario as the province and Ottawa as the city. Scroll down in the drop down box to page 18. It says he was born in Scotland and came to Canada in 1852. You should be able to find him in an 1841 or 1851 census in Scotland. Have you tried alternate spellings, such as STOCKLAND? Joanne Toronto, Canada jcmclean@sprint.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Stockand" <stocky@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Stockand, George and Grace > George Stockand was my grandfather, born in Ottawa in 1863, I have most of the information on him birth date death date etc but I have reason to believe he was in Winnipeg during the 1901 census and I am having trouble trying to confirm this, any help appreciated. > also his dad George Sr was born in Scotland, possibly Orkney in or about 1834, and have not been able to get anything on him, I've tried Scotlandspeople with no sucess, any suggestions? he was married to Catherine and lived in ottawa until his death in 1913. > many thanks to those who have helped ne in the past to get the information I have now > Bill Stockand > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Just an idea. Automated genealogy [http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html] is in the process of indexing the census. You could contribute while researching by selecting and transcribing a page. That way, we will all find out our questions faster! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Stockand" <stocky@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Stockand, George and Grace > George Stockand was my grandfather, born in Ottawa in 1863, I have most of the information on him birth date death date etc but I have reason to believe he was in Winnipeg during the 1901 census and I am having trouble trying to confirm this, any help appreciated. > also his dad George Sr was born in Scotland, possibly Orkney in or about 1834, and have not been able to get anything on him, I've tried Scotlandspeople with no sucess, any suggestions? he was married to Catherine and lived in ottawa until his death in 1913. > many thanks to those who have helped ne in the past to get the information I have now > Bill Stockand > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

George Stockand was my grandfather, born in Ottawa in 1863, I have most of the information on him birth date death date etc but I have reason to believe he was in Winnipeg during the 1901 census and I am having trouble trying to confirm this, any help appreciated. also his dad George Sr was born in Scotland, possibly Orkney in or about 1834, and have not been able to get anything on him, I've tried Scotlandspeople with no sucess, any suggestions? he was married to Catherine and lived in ottawa until his death in 1913. many thanks to those who have helped ne in the past to get the information I have now Bill Stockand

Greetings All. After all the delays and legal procedures we have finally received a date for a Federal Court hearing in our legal action to obtain the release of the 1911 Census Records. Our lawyer, Lois Sparling, received notice from the Federal Court today that the hearing will be held in Calgary at 9:30 AM, 8 June 2004. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hi Ian. I have not done so yet, but will be sending them copies. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Cairns" <i.cairns@sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- Letter to PM Excellent.Gordon Have you also sent copies to the two Ministers that are directly or in directly in charge of the census. Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- Letter to PM > Greetings All. > > I copy below FYI a letter mailed to Prime Minister Paul Martin this > morning. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon > > ================================= > 19 January 2004 > > Right Honourable Paul Martin, > Office of the Prime Minister > 80 Wellington Street > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0A2 > > Dear Sir: > > On 9 May 2003 the Ottawa Citizen newspaper reported on an address you > made to the Crossing Boundaries conference on e-democracy (page A4 - > "Leave decision-making alone, Martin warns PS" - Katherine May). In that > article you were reported as having stated that the public service is > not an "alternate legislature" and should stick to consulting Canadians > on policy, but leave the decision-making to MPs. It was further > reported you had made it clear to public servants that MPs should be as > involved as bureaucrats in talking to and "consulting" Canadians on > policy, but it's the job of MPs - not bureaucrats to make the policy > decisions. > > While some might consider your reported comments to have been simply > political rhetoric in your bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party > of Canada you are now in the unique position, as Prime Minister of > Canada, to put into practice what you preach. I call upon you now to do > exactly that. > > Canadians have been 'consulted' regarding public access to Historic > Census Records for more than twenty-five years. Consultations in the > late 1970s resulted in clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy > Acts that make specific provision for public access to personal > information provided to Census, 92 years after collection. Those > consultations, and the passage of Bill C-43 in 1980 through 1983 saw the > release and unrestricted public access of the 1891 and 1901 Census > records. > > Canadians were consulted in 1999 and 2000 - this time through an Expert > Panel on Access to Historic Census Records appointed by then Industry > Minister John Manley. The Expert Panel recommended unrestricted access > to all Census Records - past, present and future - 92 years after > collection. > > Canadians were consulted in December 2001 and January 2002, through a > series of Town Hall Meetings conducted by Statistics Canada. At those > meetings 151 of 157 presenters supported unrestricted public access to > Historic Census Records. At the same time they rejected a number of > conditions and restrictions to that access that had been put forth for > comment by Statistics Canada. > > Through all these consultations Canadians have made it very clear that > they desire the same unrestricted public access to Post-1901 Census > records, 92 years after collection, that has been available for 235 > years of records up to that time. This was made clear also through more > than 62,000 signatures on petitions to the House of Commons and the > Senate, and through untold numbers of personal communications to Members > of Parliament and Senators. So many letters and email have been sent to > our Parliamentary representatives that a number of times we were advised > that they received more correspondence on the Census access issue than > on any other subject. > > What has been the result of all these consultations, representations and > recommendations? For the most part they have been ignored. More than > that - certain senior bureaucrats have actively opposed the > recommendations made. A Government Bill finally put forward would have > allowed access to the records sought. Unfortunately the Bill included > conditions and restrictions on that access that Canadians had previously > rejected. Because of the wording of the Bill, particularly insofar as > the conditions and restrictions is concerned, it is believed that the > major player in the drafting of it was Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi - Chief > Statistician of Canada. > > Ivan Fellegi has refused requests by National Archivist Ian E. Wilson to > return the records in question to his care and control. By that refusal > we believe the Chief Statistician to be in contravention of at least > four Statutes of Canada. I include with this letter a summary of > pertinent sections of Statutes that affect public access to Historic > Census records. > > Mr. Prime Minister, we remind you of your statement that it is not the > job of bureaucrats to make policy decisions. We call upon you to direct > the Chief Statistician of Canada, Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi, to immediately > obey the Laws of Canada, specifically the National Archives Act, the > Access to Information Act, and the Privacy Act and Regulations attached > thereto. We call upon you to direct Dr. Fellegi to immediately return > care and control of Canada's Historic Census records to the National > Archivist so that they might be released for public access 92 years > after collection. > > Sincerely, > > Gordon A. Watts > Co-chair, Canada Census Committee > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Find your ancestors, before they find you! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004 ______________________________

Greetings All. Since posting my letter to the Prime Minister this morning I have received a number of messages asking permission to copy my letter with the name of the requester in place of mine. To simply do this would, in my view, make it appear that a form letter had been prepared and sent out, and the effect would be to reduce the impact of the message. I encourage everyone to write their letters to the PM. If you want to send him a copy of my letter, that is fine. It should, however, be sent intact with my signature on it. When doing this, include a cover letter using your own words to express your support for the position stated in my letter. Anyone may feel free to forward anything I write regarding the Census issue to wherever they feel it may be of help. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Excellent.Gordon Have you also sent copies to the two Ministers that are directly or in directly in charge of the census. Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- Letter to PM > Greetings All. > > I copy below FYI a letter mailed to Prime Minister Paul Martin this > morning. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon > > ================================= > 19 January 2004 > > Right Honourable Paul Martin, > Office of the Prime Minister > 80 Wellington Street > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0A2 > > Dear Sir: > > On 9 May 2003 the Ottawa Citizen newspaper reported on an address you > made to the Crossing Boundaries conference on e-democracy (page A4 - > "Leave decision-making alone, Martin warns PS" - Katherine May). In that > article you were reported as having stated that the public service is > not an "alternate legislature" and should stick to consulting Canadians > on policy, but leave the decision-making to MPs. It was further > reported you had made it clear to public servants that MPs should be as > involved as bureaucrats in talking to and "consulting" Canadians on > policy, but it's the job of MPs - not bureaucrats to make the policy > decisions. > > While some might consider your reported comments to have been simply > political rhetoric in your bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party > of Canada you are now in the unique position, as Prime Minister of > Canada, to put into practice what you preach. I call upon you now to do > exactly that. > > Canadians have been 'consulted' regarding public access to Historic > Census Records for more than twenty-five years. Consultations in the > late 1970s resulted in clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy > Acts that make specific provision for public access to personal > information provided to Census, 92 years after collection. Those > consultations, and the passage of Bill C-43 in 1980 through 1983 saw the > release and unrestricted public access of the 1891 and 1901 Census > records. > > Canadians were consulted in 1999 and 2000 - this time through an Expert > Panel on Access to Historic Census Records appointed by then Industry > Minister John Manley. The Expert Panel recommended unrestricted access > to all Census Records - past, present and future - 92 years after > collection. > > Canadians were consulted in December 2001 and January 2002, through a > series of Town Hall Meetings conducted by Statistics Canada. At those > meetings 151 of 157 presenters supported unrestricted public access to > Historic Census Records. At the same time they rejected a number of > conditions and restrictions to that access that had been put forth for > comment by Statistics Canada. > > Through all these consultations Canadians have made it very clear that > they desire the same unrestricted public access to Post-1901 Census > records, 92 years after collection, that has been available for 235 > years of records up to that time. This was made clear also through more > than 62,000 signatures on petitions to the House of Commons and the > Senate, and through untold numbers of personal communications to Members > of Parliament and Senators. So many letters and email have been sent to > our Parliamentary representatives that a number of times we were advised > that they received more correspondence on the Census access issue than > on any other subject. > > What has been the result of all these consultations, representations and > recommendations? For the most part they have been ignored. More than > that - certain senior bureaucrats have actively opposed the > recommendations made. A Government Bill finally put forward would have > allowed access to the records sought. Unfortunately the Bill included > conditions and restrictions on that access that Canadians had previously > rejected. Because of the wording of the Bill, particularly insofar as > the conditions and restrictions is concerned, it is believed that the > major player in the drafting of it was Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi - Chief > Statistician of Canada. > > Ivan Fellegi has refused requests by National Archivist Ian E. Wilson to > return the records in question to his care and control. By that refusal > we believe the Chief Statistician to be in contravention of at least > four Statutes of Canada. I include with this letter a summary of > pertinent sections of Statutes that affect public access to Historic > Census records. > > Mr. Prime Minister, we remind you of your statement that it is not the > job of bureaucrats to make policy decisions. We call upon you to direct > the Chief Statistician of Canada, Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi, to immediately > obey the Laws of Canada, specifically the National Archives Act, the > Access to Information Act, and the Privacy Act and Regulations attached > thereto. We call upon you to direct Dr. Fellegi to immediately return > care and control of Canada's Historic Census records to the National > Archivist so that they might be released for public access 92 years > after collection. > > Sincerely, > > Gordon A. Watts > Co-chair, Canada Census Committee > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Find your ancestors, before they find you! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004

Greetings All. I copy below FYI a letter mailed to Prime Minister Paul Martin this morning. Happy Hunting. Gordon ================================= 19 January 2004 Right Honourable Paul Martin, Office of the Prime Minister 80 Wellington Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A2 Dear Sir: On 9 May 2003 the Ottawa Citizen newspaper reported on an address you made to the Crossing Boundaries conference on e-democracy (page A4 - "Leave decision-making alone, Martin warns PS" - Katherine May). In that article you were reported as having stated that the public service is not an "alternate legislature" and should stick to consulting Canadians on policy, but leave the decision-making to MPs. It was further reported you had made it clear to public servants that MPs should be as involved as bureaucrats in talking to and "consulting" Canadians on policy, but it's the job of MPs - not bureaucrats to make the policy decisions. While some might consider your reported comments to have been simply political rhetoric in your bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada you are now in the unique position, as Prime Minister of Canada, to put into practice what you preach. I call upon you now to do exactly that. Canadians have been 'consulted' regarding public access to Historic Census Records for more than twenty-five years. Consultations in the late 1970s resulted in clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy Acts that make specific provision for public access to personal information provided to Census, 92 years after collection. Those consultations, and the passage of Bill C-43 in 1980 through 1983 saw the release and unrestricted public access of the 1891 and 1901 Census records. Canadians were consulted in 1999 and 2000 - this time through an Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records appointed by then Industry Minister John Manley. The Expert Panel recommended unrestricted access to all Census Records - past, present and future - 92 years after collection. Canadians were consulted in December 2001 and January 2002, through a series of Town Hall Meetings conducted by Statistics Canada. At those meetings 151 of 157 presenters supported unrestricted public access to Historic Census Records. At the same time they rejected a number of conditions and restrictions to that access that had been put forth for comment by Statistics Canada. Through all these consultations Canadians have made it very clear that they desire the same unrestricted public access to Post-1901 Census records, 92 years after collection, that has been available for 235 years of records up to that time. This was made clear also through more than 62,000 signatures on petitions to the House of Commons and the Senate, and through untold numbers of personal communications to Members of Parliament and Senators. So many letters and email have been sent to our Parliamentary representatives that a number of times we were advised that they received more correspondence on the Census access issue than on any other subject. What has been the result of all these consultations, representations and recommendations? For the most part they have been ignored. More than that - certain senior bureaucrats have actively opposed the recommendations made. A Government Bill finally put forward would have allowed access to the records sought. Unfortunately the Bill included conditions and restrictions on that access that Canadians had previously rejected. Because of the wording of the Bill, particularly insofar as the conditions and restrictions is concerned, it is believed that the major player in the drafting of it was Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi - Chief Statistician of Canada. Ivan Fellegi has refused requests by National Archivist Ian E. Wilson to return the records in question to his care and control. By that refusal we believe the Chief Statistician to be in contravention of at least four Statutes of Canada. I include with this letter a summary of pertinent sections of Statutes that affect public access to Historic Census records. Mr. Prime Minister, we remind you of your statement that it is not the job of bureaucrats to make policy decisions. We call upon you to direct the Chief Statistician of Canada, Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi, to immediately obey the Laws of Canada, specifically the National Archives Act, the Access to Information Act, and the Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto. We call upon you to direct Dr. Fellegi to immediately return care and control of Canada's Historic Census records to the National Archivist so that they might be released for public access 92 years after collection. Sincerely, Gordon A. Watts Co-chair, Canada Census Committee

Searching for verification of George DRYDEN, b 4 Apr 1830 in Sprouston, Roxburghshire, Scotland. Christening 2 May 1830, trying to verify parish. I also need to verify that his parents are Andrew DRYDEN, b 1792, Roxburghshire and Isabella DOUGLASS, b 1795, b Roxburghshire. Can any help with this information. Thank you Sande in Georgia

Greetings All. As per my previous post I copy here my Letter to the Editor in response to the Toronto Sun article by Tom Godfrey - i.e. "Yanks will see your tax data" Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: editor@tor.sunpub.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:38 PM Subject: EDITOR Editor - Toronto Sun Sir/Ms. Tom Godfrey's brief article (Yanks will see your tax data. - Toronto Sun - Thursday 8 January 2004) should be setting off alarm bells to all who have mistakenly assumed that information provided in their tax returns remained unassailable except where they gave permission to have name and address information transferred to Elections Canada. At the very least, learning that U.S. border agents have access to current immigration and tax records of Canadian residents will anger the tens of thousands of Canadian genealogists and historians who have been seeking to regain public access to 92-year old Census records. Those records have been withheld because the Federal Government does not have the 'cohones' to stand up to a very senior bureaucrat -- Chief Statistician Ivan P. Fellegi -- and direct him to obey the laws of Canada. (Privacy Act Regulations make specific provision for personal information from Census to be released for purposes of research 92 years after collection.) Six years of lobbying the Federal Government resulted in a Bill that allows access to these vital records. The Bill also places conditions and restrictions upon that access that go against all recommendations of a Government appointed Expert Panel, a series of Town Hall Meetings, and every survey conducted. There is currently unrestricted access to 240 years of Census records up to 1906. We seek the same unrestricted access for records after that time. For further information regarding our campaign, and a legal action currently under way, we invite you to visit the Post 1901 Census Project website at www.globalgenealogy.com/Census . Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC Tel (604) 942-6889

Greetings All. My thanks to Bob Daniel and Kevan Rhead for forwarding the following article. It was written by Tom Godfrey and published in the Toronto Sun Thursday 8 January 2004. The original article is available online at http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/01/08/307878.html While providing information for the goal of nabbing terrorists attempting to cross the border may be commendable, I have never been asked to allow my tax information to be used for that purpose and know of no-one who has been asked. In light of this announcement the withholding of 92 year old Census records becomes even more hypocritical and frustrating than it already is. I have sent a Letter to the Editor regarding this article and will forward it in a separate message. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ======================================= Yanks will see your tax data By Tom Godfrey, Toronto Sun, 9 January 2004 U.S. border agents will soon have access to the immigration and tax records of Canadian residents for use in nabbing terrorists before they cross the American border. U.S. officials said an impending merger of Canadian and U.S. immigration and customs databases will also help them intercept illegal aliens, criminals and fugitives. Officials said the measure will give U.S. front-line agents the power to check Canadian residents -- citizens, immigrants, refugees or visitors -- driving into the U.S. at land crossings. They said U.S. officers will have access to Revenue Canada files, which contain tax information on Canadians, including their work records, property owned and investments. That information may lead to unemployed people being refused entry into the U.S., officers said. The merging of databases is one of 32 points in a smart border action plan that has been in the works since 2002.

Greetings All. With the Holiday Season over for another year we hope that everyone managed to have a great time, and if travelling arrived home safe and secure. A few days ago, Prime Minister Paul Martin announced that Parliament was to resume sitting at 3:00 PM, Monday 2 February. At the same time he indicated that some unfinished business from the previous Session would be brought forward to the new Session. While a number of specific Bills were noted, there was no indication as yet that Bill S-13 would be one of those brought forward. Time will tell if that will happen. In the meantime, we now have another opportunity to remind our Parliamentary representatives what we seek regarding access to Historic Census records. Remind them that what we seek is the same unrestricted access that we already have for 240 years of records up to and including those for 1906. This afternoon I called Dan O'Donnell, the investigator in the Information Commissioner's office assigned to our complaints re: Statistics Canada. In response to my query he indicated that he felt the Information Commissioner would give his response to our complaints in about six weeks. Mr. O'Donnell was unable to elaborate further, or give any indication about what he believed the response of the Information Commissioner would be. Our legal action continues. In December, Lois Sparling requested a date for a hearing in our action and advised the Federal Court of those dates in the next three months that she would not be available to attend. At the time of her request the government lawyers had not yet advised of the dates they would not be available. Even though the Courts request information regarding unavailability during the following three months, Lois thinks it unlikely that we will receive a hearing date within that timeframe. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

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I am hoping someone may be able to help with my ANDERSON line, which begins with John ANDERSON and "Betsey TROMBLY" (presumably Elisabeth TREMBLAY), who are listed as parents on their son (according to census born in Canada circa 1826-29) John-Rufus/Rufus ANDERSON's 27 Feb 1854 wedding record to Emelie-Onesime FOISY at St-Bruno, Quebec. John and Betsey were living in Constable, Franklin Co., New York in 1854 and John ANDERSON was found on the 1830 census living in nearby Fort Covington, Franklin Co., New York. That Rufus married a woman from St-Bruno, I am making the leap that there must have been ties to that area, probably family ties, and I am aware that there was an ANDERSON family in that area. Does anyone have further information on this family? Was there a John (born late 17 or early 18-hundreds) in the family? I have searched the Drouin and other resources at the SGCF and have not been able to find the ANDERSON/ TROMBLY marriage or any other trace of John ANDER! SON. Hopefully somebody out there will know something about my brick wall. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Barbara

Greetings All. FYI. The Senators Scoreboard on the Post 1901 Census Project website has just been brought up to date. Five new Senators have been added and two retired Senators have been removed. Added to the Scoreboard are: Jim Munson, Ontario, Liberal munsoj@sen.parl.gc.ca Paul J. Massicotte, PQ, Liberal massip@sen.parl.gc.ca Madeleine Plamondon, PQ, Independent plamim@sen.parl.gc.ca Percy Downe, PEI, Liberal downep@sen.parl.gc.ca Terry M. Mercer, Nova Scotia mercet@sen.parl.gc.ca Removed from the Scoreboard are: Roch Bolduc, PQ Raymond C. Setlakwe, PQ Be advised that the government websites on the individuals above do not currently show their email addresses. Addresses shown are calculated and may not be correct. Corrections will be made to the Scoreboard as we become aware of them. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hello Joan:- I have records of ROBERTSON from 1783, Loyalists, arrived at Shelburne - 76th Reg't of Foot. A descendant, Eleanor Robertson Smith might give you more details -- loyaler@ns.sympatico.ca Muriel M. Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan McVichie" <joanmcv@magma.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Reposting my interests - ROBERTSON/CHALMERS > Can't help with those dates. Just wondering how far back you have gone in > the Robertson name as my Gt.Gt. Gd. mother was a Robertson & came from > Scotland in 1817 from the south side of Loch Tay. Did she have siblings that > came to Canada? > Joan McVichie > joanmcv@magma.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Shaw" <shaw@ezpost.com> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: December 14, 2003 9:32 AM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Reposting my interests - ROBERTSON/CHALMERS > > > > I am researching my wife's grandparents - John Glasgow Robertson and > Bessie Chalmers. > > > > We know that John Glasgow homesteaded in the Moose Jaw, Sask area in 1894. > After that the trail almost disappears until 1909 when he married Bessie > Chalmers in Calgary. We believe that in the late 1890's he was treated for > typhoid at a hospital in Medicine Hat, Alberta. After which he seemed to go > to Trail B.C. presumably looking for work at the smelter. We know that he > operated a book store in Okanogan, Washington, USA around 1899 but cannot > find an details on this venture. He next appears at his brother's ranch at > Raley about 5 miles northeast of Cardston, Alberta. Presumably this would be > after his brother purchased the ranch in 1908. It was at the ranch that he > met Bessie Chalmers who was working there as a cook/housekeeper. > > > > Bessie Chalmers was in Moosomin, Sask. from 1891 where she operated a > rooming/boarding house with her mother until the latter's death around > 1908/1909. What we know next is that she was in Raley where she met and > married John G. > > > > Thus there are many blank spots in the picture which I would dearly love > to fill. Does anybody have any ideas that would help me? > > > > Many thanks for your help and comments. > > > > Malcolm in Calgary, Alberta > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > FAMILY HISTORY: a quiltwork of lives > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >