Where will OGS Seminar be held? And dates please? Barbara JHerman148@aol.com wrote: > I will be attending the OGS Seminar at the end of May; will any of you be > attending > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I am looking for help in getting a obituary lookup done in Ottawa, Canada for George Stockand Died Ottawa April 10, 1913 Interred at Beechwood Cemetery April 13, 1913 Age 82 yrs Late residence 316 Daly Ave Ottawa He was born in the Orkney Islands an came to Canada in 1852, was predeceased by Catherine on Feb 19, 1880. Iknow that he was survived by a daughter Ida who was living in Ottawa at the time of his death and a son George(my grandfather) who was living in Edmonton. He also had 2 other sons Alec who was 8 at the time of the 1881 census which would have made him about 40 at the time of George sr. death and Willie who was 24 at the time of the census and would him about 56yrs. Ida was 7 at the census and she would have been about 39 at the time of his death. Information that I have from Beechwood shows a next of kin as J.H. Nickel but does not have a relstionship to George sr. could have been a son in law??? He was a well known contractor in the Ottawa area, but other than that I hgave no information on him and woul d appreciate any leads or avenues to persue Thanks, regards Bill Stockand

I'm am searching for information on James MacGillivray of the Grand Trunk and Barbara MacKerracher. All I have thus far is that they had at least one child, Marion Elizabeth Maud MacGillivray (my Grandmother), born 19 Jul 1867 and baptized at St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church in Montreal on 31 Oct 1868. Anyone having information on this line of MacGillivray's or MacKerracher's please contact me at leehunter@att.net. Thanks, Lee

Greetings All. In the past little while there has been a number of postings to different mail lists regarding privacy legislation that took effect in Canada on 1 January 2004. In the postings that I have seen it is obvious that few people understand the scope and purpose of the legislation, and because of this fear is spreading that it means the 'end of genealogy research in Canada'. Before anyone goes off the deep end they should understand that while new legislation was indeed enacted it was not done on a spur of the moment and that there was a considerable period during which the Provincial governments had time to review the proposed legislation and to enact their own legislation that at least matched, or exceeded the provisions of the Federal legislation. Some provinces did exactly that. The Bill which brought forth this legislation was debated at length in Parliament before it was passed. The legislation in question is the 'Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act'. It can be viewed online at the following URL. http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/p-8.6/91355.html I would urge anyone and everyone with concerns about what they can do, and not do, to access and read this legislation. I copy here a small part of it that states the purpose of the act, who it applies to, and who it does not apply to. It mostly concerns businesses and commercial activities, and to some extent to non-profit organizations. It does not prevent, as one posting suggested, someone from asking their wife for information regarding her siblings. Do not panic. The end of the world (genealogically speaking) has not yet arrived. ============================== 3. The purpose of this Part is to establish, in an era in which technology increasingly facilitates the circulation and exchange of information, rules to govern the collection, use and disclosure of personal information in a manner that recognizes the right of privacy of individuals with respect to their personal information and the need of organizations to collect, use or disclose personal information for purposes that a reasonable person would consider appropriate in the circumstances. Application 4. (1) This Part applies to every organization in respect of personal information that (a) the organization collects, uses or discloses in the course of commercial activities; or (b) is about an employee of the organization and that the organization collects, uses or discloses in connection with the operation of a federal work, undertaking or business. (2) This Part does not apply to (a) any government institution to which the Privacy Act applies; (b) any individual in respect of personal information that the individual collects, uses or discloses for personal or domestic purposes and does not collect, use or disclose for any other purpose; or (c) any organization in respect of personal information that the organization collects, uses or discloses for journalistic, artistic or literary purposes and does not collect, use or disclose for any other purpose. =============================== Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Greetings All. On Friday past the federal government moved the following motion to bring forward unfinished business from the last Session of Parliament. "That during the first thirty sitting days of the present session of Parliament, whenever a Minister of the Crown, when proposing a motion for first reading of a public bill, states that the said bill is in the same form as a Government bill in the previous session, if the Speaker is satisfied that the said bill is in the same form as the House of Commons had agreed to at prorogation, notwithstanding Standing Order 71, the said bill shall be deemed in the current session to have been considered and approved at all stages completed at the time of prorogation of the previous session." This motion has been subject of some very vigorous debate on both sides of the question. During this debate, Government House Leader Jacques Saada gave examples of Bills the government would bring forward. They included Bills C-49, C-34, C-17, C-20, C-23, and C-57. On the other hand, Conservative Garry Breitkreuz made a motion to amend the main motion to exclude a number of Bills from being able to be brought forward. Those Bills included C-7, C-19, C-20, C-22, C-26, C-38, C-13, C-34, C-35, and C-36. MP Rob Merrifield made a further motion to add C-49 to the list of Bills that would be excluded by the motion to amend. By way of explanation of the motion Mr. Saada stated: "The motion will apply solely to bills that have been introduced and at least referred to committee, either before or after second reading. .......... During the first 30 sitting days of the new session, any minister who introduces a bill identical to a bill in the old session, and which at least had been referred to a committee, will have the right to request that the new bill be reinstated to the stage at which it had progressed at the time of prorogation. The procedure does not oblige a minister to reintroduce a bill. It merely gives them a new right to do so during a limited period at the beginning of the session." Elsewhere he indicated that "bills that had only been introduced, but not yet studied in committee during the previous session, ...... can be reintroduced during the present session." So far there has been no mention of Bill S-13. Although it passed without amendment in the Senate, it had not yet been referred to committee in the House of Commons. It had, by a verbal vote of those in chambers, passed second reading and was referred to committee. However, in accordance with House rules, more than six members rose during the verbal vote. As such a recorded vote of all Members of the House was required for second reading and referral to committee. That recorded vote did not take place before the Session was proroqued. Debate on the motion referred to above has not yet concluded and to date it has not been passed, although with the Liberal majority in the House it seems unlikely that it will be defeated. It remains to be seen if Bill S-13 will be brought forward. As I have indicated before, only time will tell. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

I was wondering if anyone has any information on the following people: Marriage of Thomas Cleghorn to Betty Laing 24 Jul 1768 Yarrow, Selkirk John Cleghorn christened 21 Aug 1768 Yarrow, Selkirk I am trying to find parents and/or siblings of my gggrandfather John Cleghorn and wonder if this could be him and his parents. Any information you have would be greatly appreciated. Mary Ellen (Cleghorn) Pilmer Leamington, Ontario, Canada

I'm looking for information about this person's father - I know nothing other than his surname and the fact that he died before 1901. Annie's mother was Annie McIver, b. in Gourock, Scotland, about 1858. Mother and daughter are listed in the 1901 Census, Rothesay, Isle of Bute, Scotland. Any help would be very much appreciated. Hilda

Greetings All. The Opening of the new session of Parliament has taken place with the Speech from the Throne being read in the Senate by the Governor General of Canada Adrienne Clarkson. The speech contained a number of promises, including the establishment of an independent Ethics Commissioner that would report directly to the House of Commons and an Ethics Officer for the Senate. Promises were made that Members of Parliament would be given more free votes and that they would be given greater powers so that they could actually reflect the wishes of their constituents in the business of the country. We hope that this promise in particular is honoured. Other promises were made but it remains to be seen if any are followed through by the new government of Paul Martin. We are only too aware of many past promises that have been forgotten, or that have been lost in the shuffle of business considered to be of greater priority. As with all things, only time will tell what will happen. Following the reading of the Speech from the Throne, MPs returned to the House of Commons where the first sitting of the new session is taking place as I write this. Debate on the Speech is proceeding and so far it promises to be hot and heavy. It is expected this debate will likely take up most of this week. Prior to the debate on the Speech the House Speaker made a number of announcements. Of particular note is that all Private Member Bills, with the exception of those made by Members who no longer sit in the House will be brought forward to the new Session at the same stage they had reached during the previous Session and they would retain the same numbers held before. No mention has yet been made regarding other unfinished business, including Bill S-13, being brought forward. While Private Member Bills being brought forward is covered under House Standing Rules it is my understanding that to bring other unfinished business forward there must be motions passed in the House. My assumption is that such motions could be made to bring forward all unfinished business, or to bring forward only specific Bills. We will be watching CPAC closely for the next while to see what happens. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Hi, Gloria... Thank you much for the excellent reference! Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmt.bc@shaw.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday January 31 2004 4:26 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Absolutely Wonderful Information Website : May I suggest that all with history in early Canada visit this website. : http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/jbaker.htm This particular article : has much in the way of history with Scots, Amercians and Canadians in : the article : I find this fascinating reading as it dates back to 1800......I honestly : didn't realize that Canada was involved in slavery of negroes, : especially with the underground railroad of later years that helped free : the southern slaves being so well publicized.. : : >From the book 'Lunenburgh, or the Old Eastern District', Chapter XXXVI. : : By J. F. Pringle, Judge County Court. Published in 1890. : : John Baker, The last of those who had been born in Slavery in Canada. : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : : The Main Website is http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/sitemap.htm and I must compliment the wonderful church records, etc that : he has compiled. There are marriage, baptism, death, birth, land and a multitude of other resources available. : If one puts a surname in to his website search every record with that name in it will appear. : He has some wonderful contributors and the other day I ran across a census that contained 10,000 entries done entirely by : contributor. : : There are many records here that I'm sure you won't find elsewhere. : : Gloria : : : : : ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== : Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist! : : ============================== : Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration : Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. : http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 :

List of officers, non-commissioned officers and men of the 84th Regiment, the King's Royal Regiment of New York, the Loyal Rangers (Major Jessup's corps), Butler's Rangers, etc., who settled in the eastern part of Upper Canada. Copied by permission of Messrs. Hunter, Rose & Co., from "The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada," published in 1885. This is another example of information on the website that I posted earlier. It provides name, residence in Canada and regiment. http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/84threg.htm

May I suggest that all with history in early Canada visit this website. http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/jbaker.htm This particular article has much in the way of history with Scots, Amercians and Canadians in the article I find this fascinating reading as it dates back to 1800......I honestly didn't realize that Canada was involved in slavery of negroes, especially with the underground railroad of later years that helped free the southern slaves being so well publicized.. >From the book 'Lunenburgh, or the Old Eastern District', Chapter XXXVI. By J. F. Pringle, Judge County Court. Published in 1890. John Baker, The last of those who had been born in Slavery in Canada. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Main Website is http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/sitemap.htm and I must compliment the wonderful church records, etc that he has compiled. There are marriage, baptism, death, birth, land and a multitude of other resources available. If one puts a surname in to his website search every record with that name in it will appear. He has some wonderful contributors and the other day I ran across a census that contained 10,000 entries done entirely by contributor. There are many records here that I'm sure you won't find elsewhere. Gloria

Hello Elsa:- It is nice seeing the ADAMS name in print -- but I believe the origin of my family was England then to Massachusetts. My gr.grandfather was Julius Adams who is buried in Dedham, Maine. My grandfather was George Warren Adams, he and my grandmother Jane Davis were married at Bangor 1892. All five daughters, including my mother were born in Bucksport, Maine -- the son born at Liverpool, Nova Scotia. If any names seem familiar, please let me know. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa Vorwerk" <elsavorwerk@mindspring.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scotland to Canada through New York > I've finally discovered that my ADAMS family arrived > in the Port of New York on their journey from Scotland > to Canada. I earlier believed that they had been in > Canada for a relatively short period because "Canada" > is consistently given in later US censuses as birthplace > of two of their children. Although discovering their time > of immigration has narrowed down the time frame, I > still have no idea where they were in Canada from June > 1857 until at least May 1861 (the birth of their daughter > in Canada). They appear in the 1865 NY census in Buffalo. > > So here (finally!) is my appeal for advice or suggestions: > I have three vital events that occurred in this family while > in Canada, and I'm wondering if it's getting any easier to > access Canadian vital records. I've had some disappointing > experiences having my library borrow vital record indexes > from the Ontario Archives -- long delays, wrong films sent, > not able to order others until the current few returned -- > and I'm hoping that there might be a better way to approach > the research. Rightly or wrongly, I'm assuming that this family > was in Ontario -- if not, then I have no idea where to begin! > > Arrived in the Port of New York from Scotland 30 May 1857, > Hugh Adams, age 36, engineer > Barbara [Lyall] Adams, age 36 > Barbara Adams, age 6 > Isabella Adams, age 3 > Margaret Adams, age 1 > Dtr Barbara Mill Adams (b.17 October 1851 Edinburgh) dies > in Canada presumably betw. May 1857 immigration and > birth of Barbara T. Adams May 1861. > Son William Adams born in Canada about 1858. > Dtr Barbara T. Adams born May 1861. > Family must have been in Canada at time of 1861 census. > > I'll be most grateful for any advice or suggestions, > > ~ Elsa in Allegany County, Maryland, USA > > >

If you search through Google Search Geneology, there are some Hugh Adams back to the 1600's. I don't know if they are the one's you are looking for. Buffalo is so close to Ontario & Confederation was in 1867. Is it possible they came across to have the babies,because of different reasons- relatives, Dr.'s, maybe Hugh worked in Ontario. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa Vorwerk" <elsavorwerk@mindspring.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 30, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scotland to Canada through New York > I've finally discovered that my ADAMS family arrived > in the Port of New York on their journey from Scotland > to Canada. I earlier believed that they had been in > Canada for a relatively short period because "Canada" > is consistently given in later US censuses as birthplace > of two of their children. Although discovering their time > of immigration has narrowed down the time frame, I > still have no idea where they were in Canada from June > 1857 until at least May 1861 (the birth of their daughter > in Canada). They appear in the 1865 NY census in Buffalo. > > So here (finally!) is my appeal for advice or suggestions: > I have three vital events that occurred in this family while > in Canada, and I'm wondering if it's getting any easier to > access Canadian vital records. I've had some disappointing > experiences having my library borrow vital record indexes > from the Ontario Archives -- long delays, wrong films sent, > not able to order others until the current few returned -- > and I'm hoping that there might be a better way to approach > the research. Rightly or wrongly, I'm assuming that this family > was in Ontario -- if not, then I have no idea where to begin! > > Arrived in the Port of New York from Scotland 30 May 1857, > Hugh Adams, age 36, engineer > Barbara [Lyall] Adams, age 36 > Barbara Adams, age 6 > Isabella Adams, age 3 > Margaret Adams, age 1 > Dtr Barbara Mill Adams (b.17 October 1851 Edinburgh) dies > in Canada presumably betw. May 1857 immigration and > birth of Barbara T. Adams May 1861. > Son William Adams born in Canada about 1858. > Dtr Barbara T. Adams born May 1861. > Family must have been in Canada at time of 1861 census. > > I'll be most grateful for any advice or suggestions, > > ~ Elsa in Allegany County, Maryland, USA > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I've finally discovered that my ADAMS family arrived in the Port of New York on their journey from Scotland to Canada. I earlier believed that they had been in Canada for a relatively short period because "Canada" is consistently given in later US censuses as birthplace of two of their children. Although discovering their time of immigration has narrowed down the time frame, I still have no idea where they were in Canada from June 1857 until at least May 1861 (the birth of their daughter in Canada). They appear in the 1865 NY census in Buffalo. So here (finally!) is my appeal for advice or suggestions: I have three vital events that occurred in this family while in Canada, and I'm wondering if it's getting any easier to access Canadian vital records. I've had some disappointing experiences having my library borrow vital record indexes from the Ontario Archives -- long delays, wrong films sent, not able to order others until the current few returned -- and I'm hoping that there might be a better way to approach the research. Rightly or wrongly, I'm assuming that this family was in Ontario -- if not, then I have no idea where to begin! Arrived in the Port of New York from Scotland 30 May 1857, Hugh Adams, age 36, engineer Barbara [Lyall] Adams, age 36 Barbara Adams, age 6 Isabella Adams, age 3 Margaret Adams, age 1 Dtr Barbara Mill Adams (b.17 October 1851 Edinburgh) dies in Canada presumably betw. May 1857 immigration and birth of Barbara T. Adams May 1861. Son William Adams born in Canada about 1858. Dtr Barbara T. Adams born May 1861. Family must have been in Canada at time of 1861 census. I'll be most grateful for any advice or suggestions, ~ Elsa in Allegany County, Maryland, USA

Dear list, I have been receiving emails from various lists until a couple days ago then nothing

I haven't got anything from theses list for the last several days

Greetings All. FYI. My latest column re: Post 1901 Census is now online at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazce/gazce100.htm Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Hi Leslie While you may have a point, to a degree, I do not believe there is any danger of the information on the Parliament website being pulled. The purpose of the website is to provide information to the public about how government in general, and Parliament in particular, works. There is information available on every Senator and Member of Parliament going back to the time of Confederation in 1867. Even Senator Lowell Murray, one of the most outspoken opponents of unrestricted access to Historic Census records, has information posted that if it were a part of Census would be restricted by the terms and conditions of Bill S-13. The information referred to in my earlier post is only one small section of information regarding members of the same family having served in Parliament. This information was added to the Parliament website this past December. There is a great deal more information posted on the Parliament website, available for longer than we have been lobbying to regain our access to Census records. It includes biographical and historical information on each and every one of our Senators and MPs. The same information is not available about each of them. What is available depends upon what they have provided for inclusion. All of the information regarding our Parliamentary representatives currently in office -- biographical information regarding education, family, previous employment etc. will have been voluntarily given for the purpose of placement on the website -- consider it a place for 'bragging rights' for the Senators and MPs. Parliamentary service is a matter of public record. Considering the fact that the information is on a government website I am sure that everything on it complies with all privacy and confidentiality legislation. Surely the government would not do anything that goes against their own legislation! Would they? Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- Hi Gordon, I am so supportive of all of your efforts to have the census data made public!! An idea. This strategy of informing Parliament of the issue on their site, though, could backfire, I fear. The response will be to pull the site. The privacy issue for living persons is an increasing concern, a trend that will tend to restrict access to data we have now (this is happening in the US etc.). I think that, as soon as this issue is brought to their attention, the response will be to exercise caution. We do not need to give the privacy Commissioner any further ammunition. The Radwanski affair (relatives being hired) is very sensitive. Our issue concentrates on release of older data, to which we have a right in law. Let's just enjoy the Parliamentary site for now, as pointing out it's existence in relation to the census data may not help our cause. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- > Greetings All. > > While the Federal Government continues to seek conditions and > restrictions for genealogists seeking information on their ancestors > through Historic Census records, they seem not to have the same qualms > about placing personal information regarding our Parliamentary > representative, past and present, on a website accessible to everyone on > the net. > > On the home page for Canada's Parliament located at > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/index.asp?Language=E > > you will find a link labeled 'Family Relations in the Canadian Houses of > Parliament'. This link takes you to another page located at > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/key/family-famille/index.asp?lang=E > > (If the link wraps to a second line in this message make sure you copy > and paste the entire URL to access the page.) > > The opening of this page provides the following statement: > > "Occasionally, politics can be a family affair. We are pleased to > provide you with parents and children, siblings, and spouses who have > served in the Canadian Houses of Parliament, from Confederation (1867) > to the current Parliament." > > Where more than one member of a family has been elected or appointed to > either the House of Commons or the Senate information is provided on > each of those members. That information includes date and place of > birth, date of death, profession, political party, periods of > Parliamentary service, caucus and Parliamentary functions. Where > available a photograph is provided. Information is searchable in three > categories -- 'Parents and Children', 'Siblings', and 'Spouses'. > > We have no complaint regarding the unrestricted access to this > information regarding our Parliamentary representatives. We do however > have some difficulty in knowing that under the conditions and > restrictions being sought by the Federal Government for access to > Historic Census records some of this very same information for ordinary > people would be restricted from publication until 112 years after > collection. > > It would appear that in this instance, 'Sauce for the Goose' is not > necessarily 'Sauce for the Gander'! > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ______________________________

Hello Leslie:- I definitely do agree with you -- and for that reason will not forward the message too far. We desire the release of the 1911 census, plus later ones, with only 92 year period. The site is interesting -- but so was the news Radwanski might end up in prison as reported in Toronto Sun. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee -- since March 1999 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- > Hi Gordon, > > I am so supportive of all of your efforts to have the census data made > public!! An idea. This strategy of informing Parliament of the issue on > their site, though, could backfire, I fear. The response will be to pull > the site. The privacy issue for living persons is an increasing concern, a > trend that will tend to restrict access to data we have now (this is > happening in the US etc.). I think that, as soon as this issue is brought > to their attention, the response will be to exercise caution. We do not > need to give the privacy Commissioner any further ammunition. The Radwanski > affair (relatives being hired) is very sensitive. Our issue concentrates on > release of older data, to which we have a right in law. Let's just enjoy > the Parliamentary site for now, as pointing out it's existence in relation > to the census data may not help our cause. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:01 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- > > > > Greetings All. > > > > While the Federal Government continues to seek conditions and > > restrictions for genealogists seeking information on their ancestors > > through Historic Census records, they seem not to have the same qualms > > about placing personal information regarding our Parliamentary > > representative, past and present, on a website accessible to everyone on > > the net. > > > > On the home page for Canada's Parliament located at > > > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/index.asp?Language=E > > > > you will find a link labeled 'Family Relations in the Canadian Houses of > > Parliament'. This link takes you to another page located at > > > > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/key/family-famille/index.asp?lang=E > > > > (If the link wraps to a second line in this message make sure you copy > > and paste the entire URL to access the page.) > > > > The opening of this page provides the following statement: > > > > "Occasionally, politics can be a family affair. We are pleased to > > provide you with parents and children, siblings, and spouses who have > > served in the Canadian Houses of Parliament, from Confederation (1867) > > to the current Parliament." > > > > Where more than one member of a family has been elected or appointed to > > either the House of Commons or the Senate information is provided on > > each of those members. That information includes date and place of > > birth, date of death, profession, political party, periods of > > Parliamentary service, caucus and Parliamentary functions. Where > > available a photograph is provided. Information is searchable in three > > categories -- 'Parents and Children', 'Siblings', and 'Spouses'. > > > > We have no complaint regarding the unrestricted access to this > > information regarding our Parliamentary representatives. We do however > > have some difficulty in knowing that under the conditions and > > restrictions being sought by the Federal Government for access to > > Historic Census records some of this very same information for ordinary > > people would be restricted from publication until 112 years after > > collection. > > > > It would appear that in this instance, 'Sauce for the Goose' is not > > necessarily 'Sauce for the Gander'! > > > > Happy Hunting. > > > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > Port Coquitlam, BC > > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hi Gordon, I am so supportive of all of your efforts to have the census data made public!! An idea. This strategy of informing Parliament of the issue on their site, though, could backfire, I fear. The response will be to pull the site. The privacy issue for living persons is an increasing concern, a trend that will tend to restrict access to data we have now (this is happening in the US etc.). I think that, as soon as this issue is brought to their attention, the response will be to exercise caution. We do not need to give the privacy Commissioner any further ammunition. The Radwanski affair (relatives being hired) is very sensitive. Our issue concentrates on release of older data, to which we have a right in law. Let's just enjoy the Parliamentary site for now, as pointing out it's existence in relation to the census data may not help our cause. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- > Greetings All. > > While the Federal Government continues to seek conditions and > restrictions for genealogists seeking information on their ancestors > through Historic Census records, they seem not to have the same qualms > about placing personal information regarding our Parliamentary > representative, past and present, on a website accessible to everyone on > the net. > > On the home page for Canada's Parliament located at > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/index.asp?Language=E > > you will find a link labeled 'Family Relations in the Canadian Houses of > Parliament'. This link takes you to another page located at > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/key/family-famille/index.asp?lang=E > > (If the link wraps to a second line in this message make sure you copy > and paste the entire URL to access the page.) > > The opening of this page provides the following statement: > > "Occasionally, politics can be a family affair. We are pleased to > provide you with parents and children, siblings, and spouses who have > served in the Canadian Houses of Parliament, from Confederation (1867) > to the current Parliament." > > Where more than one member of a family has been elected or appointed to > either the House of Commons or the Senate information is provided on > each of those members. That information includes date and place of > birth, date of death, profession, political party, periods of > Parliamentary service, caucus and Parliamentary functions. Where > available a photograph is provided. Information is searchable in three > categories -- 'Parents and Children', 'Siblings', and 'Spouses'. > > We have no complaint regarding the unrestricted access to this > information regarding our Parliamentary representatives. We do however > have some difficulty in knowing that under the conditions and > restrictions being sought by the Federal Government for access to > Historic Census records some of this very same information for ordinary > people would be restricted from publication until 112 years after > collection. > > It would appear that in this instance, 'Sauce for the Goose' is not > necessarily 'Sauce for the Gander'! > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >