Hamilton ON is in Wentworth County. I am not sure if the county is the same as in the 1800's. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. 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ATTENTION: Diana Carmichael <[email protected]> Hi Diana, The City of Hamilton is at the west end of Lake Ontario. Ships that came to Canada in those days often stopped at places like St. John's NB or other smaller ports along the way. They eventually came up the St. Lawrence River as far as the port at Quebec City. Others came to the port at Montreal. Just west of the port at Montreal are the Lachine Rapids. These caused a problem and prevented ocean-going ships from proceeding any further until the Lachine Canal was built sometime after 1850. Then the boats could go further west towards Kingston and Toronto. Odds are you are looking for a docking at Montreal, Quebec City or an American port. Most traffic to Halifax remained on the East Coast until the train lines were built in the late 1800s. Hope that helps a little. Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Carmichael <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. 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Will do Bob.....I'll certainly tell him..... Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Carswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] COMPUTER CRASH > Hi Christine, > Tell David it serves him right. His computer should not racing down a > highway somewhere. No wonder it crashed. Tell him to put it back in the > garage where it belongs! > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christine <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:47 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] COMPUTER CRASH > > > > Hello ALL Members: > > > > I have just been notified by David our Admin, he has had a computer crash > sometime overnight, and his computer is not available, any major problems or > queries you have or questions please don't hesitate to send to me until > further notification, thanks to All.. > > > > Christine Joudrey > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Christine, Tell David it serves him right. His computer should not racing down a highway somewhere. No wonder it crashed. Tell him to put it back in the garage where it belongs! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: christine <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] COMPUTER CRASH > Hello ALL Members: > > I have just been notified by David our Admin, he has had a computer crash sometime overnight, and his computer is not available, any major problems or queries you have or questions please don't hesitate to send to me until further notification, thanks to All.. > > Christine Joudrey > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you, Bob! This is much more info than we had and really goes a long way in making some pinpoints we needed! Much appreciated! -Diana- ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Carswell To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships ATTENTION: Diana Carmichael <[email protected]> Hi Diana, The City of Hamilton is at the west end of Lake Ontario. Ships that came to Canada in those days often stopped at places like St. John's NB or other smaller ports along the way. They eventually came up the St. Lawrence River as far as the port at Quebec City. Others came to the port at Montreal. Just west of the port at Montreal are the Lachine Rapids. These caused a problem and prevented ocean-going ships from proceeding any further until the Lachine Canal was built sometime after 1850. Then the boats could go further west towards Kingston and Toronto. Odds are you are looking for a docking at Montreal, Quebec City or an American port. Most traffic to Halifax remained on the East Coast until the train lines were built in the late 1800s. Hope that helps a little. Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Carmichael <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. 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Thank you, Christine! Very much appreciated...helps with a bit of searching we are doing. -Diana- ----- Original Message ----- From: christine To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships Hi again Diana, Have just checked and Wentworth County is the same as the 1800's. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearance Ships > When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? > > On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? > > Thanks so much! > > Diana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > > Hi Christine, > > Many thanks for your efforts!! > > I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. > > I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: > > These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all > ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse > Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who > were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is > docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. > > Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list > all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? > > The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's > representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. > The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to > Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job > opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. > > This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in > the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of > the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to > emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the > immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. > I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who > had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents > living there today). > > I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting > married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of > Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is > listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive > penniless to owning his own farm. > > One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would > have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton > papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives > where there so that they could collect them. > > Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these > locations and vintages that might be able to check? > > Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! > > Steven Lyday > > >Hi Steven, > > > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. > >Christine > > > > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > > > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't > >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of > >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post > >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they > >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > > > >Christine > >* > >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government > >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered > >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, > >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although > >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are > >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. > >* > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. 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When you say Hamilton, are you referring to Hamilton, Ontario? Is there a place to find out all the ports where the ships came in during those years and the names of the ships and dates they landed...and possibly passenger lists for those particular ships? On another note, but somewhat the same...what county is Hamilton in? And is the county name the same as it used to be, or was it called by a different one back in the 1800's? Thanks so much! Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Lyday To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships Hi Christine, Many thanks for your efforts!! I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents living there today). I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive penniless to owning his own farm. One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives where there so that they could collect them. Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these locations and vintages that might be able to check? Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! Steven Lyday >Hi Steven, > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. >Christine > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > >Christine >* >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. >* > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi folks Suggested reading-A Dance Called America-The Scottish Highlands, the United States and Canada by James Hunter ISBN 1-85158-807-8. Does not give complete passenger lists but a good overview of Scottish migration including some personal histories and a useful bibliography. David Strickland Fife Scotland

Hello ALL Members: I have just been notified by David our Admin, he has had a computer crash sometime overnight, and his computer is not available, any major problems or queries you have or questions please don't hesitate to send to me until further notification, thanks to All.. Christine Joudrey

Hi Christine, Many thanks for your efforts!! I am aware of the 1851 report and the lack of passenger lists prior to 1865. I found the 1851 report fascinating. From it I got several things: These clearance ships were required to stop at Grosse Ile. Not all ships were required to stop there. The question I have did the Grosse Ile officials document everyone who came through or only the ones who were sick or died there? So far all that I have been able to find is docs on who were sick and dies and writings regarding the worst year, 1847. Does anyone know if there is docs or microfilm anywhere that would list all immigrants seen at Grosse Ile? The immigrants were destitute, lacking even cloths. Col Gordon's representative came on board and determine that they had cloths enough. The government was forced to pay for food and transportation west to Hamilton so the immigrants could reach friends, family and or job opportunities that were located in Upper Canada. This is consistent with my gggrandfather Ranald Wilson. He is listed in the 1851 census of Benbecula with an interesting note at the bottom of the census sheet stating that a number of residents were planning to emigrate to Canada in August. This says to me that at least some of the immigrants volunteered and were not trudged, bound and thrown on a ship. I feel this might be the case with Ranald as he had older brothers who had previously emigrated to Prince Edwards Island (with descendents living there today). I first find him in Canada located at Brantford, Brant Co getting married to his second wife. Brant Co, is the first county west of Hamilton. In 1871 he is listed as a "farm laborer". In 1881 he is listed as a "farmer" . 1881 would have given him 20 years to arrive penniless to owning his own farm. One of my thoughts is the Government, in hope of defraying costs, would have published the passenger lists in the Quebec, Toronto and Hamilton papers with the idea of letting family members know their relatives where there so that they could collect them. Does anyone know of and have access to microfilm of papers of these locations and vintages that might be able to check? Again, all the help from everyone is greatly appreciated! Steven Lyday >Hi Steven, > >Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. >Christine > > >http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html > > >I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't >know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of >private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post >them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they >could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. > >Christine >* >Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government >but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered >these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, >New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although >Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are >sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. >* >

Dear Listers, I find the story of the Scottish clearances very interesting. I had no idea they were so severe and that so many Scots went to Canada as a result (including perhaps my great grandfather). I wonder if many came to Australia. If the clearances started early in the 19th C then it seems unlikely that many would have come here as immigration to Australia did not really take off until about 1850. Although people of Scots descent form a large proportion of the Australian population there are few stories about the clearances. Can anyone give me a brief description of the areas of Scotland mainly affected or perhaps suggest a good book on the subject. TIA and best regards Peter Ferguson. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Lyday <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:36 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Hi everyone, > > Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note > regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. > These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and > S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were > completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of > them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears > that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. > > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for > this period that might contain published passenger lists? > > > TIA and Re, > > SPL >

Just a point about that 1871 census - it is not fully indexed - it is Heads of Households and Strays only. - Judi McNairn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Carswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1871 Canada Census - Ontario - Indexed > Here are some interesting sites: > > 1871 Census (indexed) > For anyone interested in Ontario, the April 1871 Federal Census, indexed for Ontario, can be accessed at the following site by simply entering a name. When you find a suitable candidate, you can double click on the icon on the left and obtain details that you can highlight by dragging your mouse over the information you want and then print the selection : > http://www.archives.ca/02/02010802_e.html > > 1881 Census (4 CDs - order procedure) > To purchase the 1881 Canada Census on 4 CD discs these can be ordered at the following site through the LDS: > http://www.ldscatalog.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=5195423& prmenbr=1402&CGRY_NUM=1440461&RowStart=436661&LocCode=FH > > Central Registry of Genealogical Projects > There is an excellent Genealogical Projects Registry at The Alberta Family Histories Site which can be accessed for any province in Canada at the following site. You will find all sorts of excellent information there depending on which province is of interest: > http://www.afhs.ab.ca/registry/ > > > PEI Surnames and Family Genealogies > This is a terrific site if you are looking for PEI genealogies and surnames. > http://www.islandregister.com/gindex.html > > Searchable PEI Census Information 1841, 1881, 1891, 1901 > http://www.edu.pe.ca/paro/census/build.asp > a.. 1841 Census: Full Census Detail, covering roughly 40% of the colony. > b.. 1881 Census: Index to all individuals. > c.. 1891 Census: Index to all individuals except for Lots 21 & 22 (missing from the original record). > d.. 1901 Census: Index to all individuals. > Bob in Toronto > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Here are some interesting sites: 1871 Census (indexed) For anyone interested in Ontario, the April 1871 Federal Census, indexed for Ontario, can be accessed at the following site by simply entering a name. When you find a suitable candidate, you can double click on the icon on the left and obtain details that you can highlight by dragging your mouse over the information you want and then print the selection : http://www.archives.ca/02/02010802_e.html 1881 Census (4 CDs - order procedure) To purchase the 1881 Canada Census on 4 CD discs these can be ordered at the following site through the LDS: http://www.ldscatalog.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=5195423&prmenbr=1402&CGRY_NUM=1440461&RowStart=436661&LocCode=FH Central Registry of Genealogical Projects There is an excellent Genealogical Projects Registry at The Alberta Family Histories Site which can be accessed for any province in Canada at the following site. You will find all sorts of excellent information there depending on which province is of interest: http://www.afhs.ab.ca/registry/ PEI Surnames and Family Genealogies This is a terrific site if you are looking for PEI genealogies and surnames. http://www.islandregister.com/gindex.html Searchable PEI Census Information 1841, 1881, 1891, 1901 http://www.edu.pe.ca/paro/census/build.asp a.. 1841 Census: Full Census Detail, covering roughly 40% of the colony. b.. 1881 Census: Index to all individuals. c.. 1891 Census: Index to all individuals except for Lots 21 & 22 (missing from the original record). d.. 1901 Census: Index to all individuals. Bob in Toronto

Hi Peter, I am not an expert on the clearences but I have been doing some research. I know that I have read that there were instances that the captain of the ship would open his orders a couple of days out. It would be at that time he would find out if he was going to Canada or Australia. Here are a couple of sites on the clearances that I have found interesting: General http://www.theclearances.org/ http://www.electricscotland.com/history/clearances.htm http://www.macgowan.org/higclear.html http://www.macgowan.org/links.html (Great Links page) http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/kerr/clearances.htm http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Hty_Sct/High_Clr/Mem/High_Clr.html ------------------------------------- This site has info on ships to Australia Highland and Island Emigration Society http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/emigration.htm thclearances.org lists thest ships going to Australia Allison <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=14> London Geelong 20-12-1852 Andromache <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=51> London Geelong 08-11-1848 Aurora <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=61> London Geelong 07-12-1848 Bussorah Merchant <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=52> London Geelong 26-06-1850 Charlotte Jane <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=54> London Port Jackson 08-10-1848 Express <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=48> Port Phillip 00-06-1863 Georgiana <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=13> London Geelong 16-10-1852 HMS Hercules <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=65> London Adelaide 26-07-1853 HMS Hercules <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=65> London Port Phillip 03-08-1853 James Fernie <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=40> London Adelaide 17-11-1854 James Moran <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=11> Greenock Port Jackson 11-02-1839 John Barry <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=12> London Port Jackson 08-09-1837 Lady Kennaway <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=18> London Port Jackson 11-08-1838 Minerva <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=20> Greenock Port Jackson 23-01-1838 Neptune <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=66> London Port Phillip 26-10-1853 Ontario <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=50> Liverpool Port Jackson 26-11-1852 St George <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=53> Port Jackson 15-11-1838 William Miles <http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/ships.php?vesselid=49> Bristol; London Moreton Bay 19-01-1855 Search results 1-18 Hope this gets you started. Regards Steven Lyday Peter Ferguson wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I find the story of the Scottish clearances very interesting. I had no idea >they were so severe and that so many Scots went to Canada as a result >(including perhaps my great grandfather). I wonder if many came to >Australia. If the clearances started early in the 19th C then it seems >unlikely that many would have come here as immigration to Australia did not >really take off until about 1850. > >Although people of Scots descent form a large proportion of the Australian >population there are few stories about the clearances. Can anyone give me a >brief description of the areas of Scotland mainly affected or perhaps >suggest a good book on the subject. > >TIA and best regards > >Peter Ferguson. > >

Peter, Within this site, are some bits about Australian immigration, worth a check. http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/index.html There also was a very charismatic minister a Norman MacLeod who emigrated to NS, Canada not sure of year but sometime I think 1851 or just after he convinced a pile of immigrants to go with him first to Australia then to New Zealand, think there is something about the Clearancefigure you might find that story interesting . http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Cty_Celt/CCT_New_Zealand.h tml Cheers Christine > >

Hi Steven, I have been looking around to see if I can find what you wanted, I don't know if anyone can...... unless ships passengers lists were in the hands of private individuals....that does happen from time to time and people do post them. I found this blurb that is proof of that, but one never knows they could be somewhere, other passenger lists have turned up.......so good luck. Christine * Since no passenger lists were archived pre-1865 for Quebec, lists of vessels have been extracted from the Immigration Reports of the British Government but, please note, this does not include all of the vessels which entered these ports. Reports have been found for the ports of Quebec and St. John, New Brunswick (sometimes a few other ports in NB are included). Although Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and British Columbia are sometimes mentioned, rarely are any vessels named. * ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lyday" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Hi everyone, > > Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note > regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. > These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and > S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were > completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of > them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears > that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. > > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for > this period that might contain published passenger lists? > > > TIA and Re, > > SPL > > >Hi All, > > > >Does anyone have access to or can point me to a resource that might > >contain the passenger list to the following ships: > > > >Brooksby Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 28-08-1851 > >Montezuma Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 30-08-1851 > >Perthshire Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 10-09-1851 > >Admiral Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 01-10-1851 > >Liskeard Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 18-10-1851 > > > >They all left the port of Lochboisdale, Isle of South Uist, Inverness, > >Scotland in Aug 1851 with the destination of Quebec, Canada > > > >Look forward hearing from you. > > > >TIA and Re, > > > >Steven Lyday > >[email protected] > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If you go to this page http://www.clannada.org/history.htm and click on "The Highland Clearances", you will download a pdf file. It has a wealth of information. There is a site that gives a more balanced view http://www.electricscotland.com/history/hcbalance.htm The Highland Clearances started in 1745, or something like that. They lasted pretty much through the present day. As I recall, emigration really picked up steam in the mid 1800's because of the potato famine. That really added to the problem. Bruce > From: "Peter Ferguson" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:25:46 +1000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:49:49 -0600 > > Dear Listers, > > I find the story of the Scottish clearances very interesting. I had no idea > they were so severe and that so many Scots went to Canada as a result > (including perhaps my great grandfather). I wonder if many came to > Australia. If the clearances started early in the 19th C then it seems > unlikely that many would have come here as immigration to Australia did not > really take off until about 1850. > > Although people of Scots descent form a large proportion of the Australian > population there are few stories about the clearances. Can anyone give me a > brief description of the areas of Scotland mainly affected or perhaps > suggest a good book on the subject. > > TIA and best regards > > Peter Ferguson. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Lyday <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:36 AM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note >> regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. >> These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and >> S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were >> completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of >> them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears >> that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. >> >> >> Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for >> this period that might contain published passenger lists? >> >> >> TIA and Re, >> >> SPL >> > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email > to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Check this out, it may be of some use not sure. Christine http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1851.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lyday" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Hi everyone, > > Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note > regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. > These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and > S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were > completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of > them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears > that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. > > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for > this period that might contain published passenger lists? > > > TIA and Re, > > SPL > > >Hi All, > > > >Does anyone have access to or can point me to a resource that might > >contain the passenger list to the following ships: > > > >Brooksby Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 28-08-1851 > >Montezuma Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 30-08-1851 > >Perthshire Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 10-09-1851 > >Admiral Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 01-10-1851 > >Liskeard Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 18-10-1851 > > > >They all left the port of Lochboisdale, Isle of South Uist, Inverness, > >Scotland in Aug 1851 with the destination of Quebec, Canada > > > >Look forward hearing from you. > > > >TIA and Re, > > > >Steven Lyday > >[email protected] > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> I just read an e-mail from someone on this website offering to do a look-up > on the 1881 Canadian census. I inadvertantly deleted the message and am > hoping to contact this kind soul. I would really appreciate an 1881 Census > lookup on, > > David A. Stewart, wife Henrietta > Staynor, Simcoe Co., ON > Here you are. Quite a family! Census Place: Staynor, Simcoe North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375887 NAC C-13251 Dist 139 SubDist B Page 19 Family 90 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace David STEWART M M 49 Sct <Scottish> Scotland Occ: Merchant Religion: Church of England Henrietta STEWART F M 48 English England Religion: Church of England Henrietta ELYUSH F 22 English O <Ontario> Religion: Church of England Henry ALLEN M M 46 Ire <Irlandais> Ireland Occ: Lumber Merchant Religion: Presbyterian Sarah Jane ALLEN F M 40 Ire <Irlandais> Ireland Religion: Presbyterian Coleode G. ALLEN M 19 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Occ: Book Keeper Religion: Presbyterian Jane J. ALLEN F 16 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Occ: School Religion: Presbyterian Amelia L. ALLEN F 14 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Occ: School Religion: Presbyterian William T. ALLEN M 12 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Occ: School Religion: Presbyterian Agnes M. ALLEN F 10 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Occ: School Religion: Presbyterian Ella M. ALLEN F 8 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Occ: School Religion: Presbyterian John ALLEN M 6 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Harry ALLEN M 3 Ire <Irlandais> O <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian

Hi everyone, Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for this period that might contain published passenger lists? TIA and Re, SPL >Hi All, > >Does anyone have access to or can point me to a resource that might >contain the passenger list to the following ships: > >Brooksby Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 28-08-1851 >Montezuma Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 30-08-1851 >Perthshire Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 10-09-1851 >Admiral Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 01-10-1851 >Liskeard Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 18-10-1851 > >They all left the port of Lochboisdale, Isle of South Uist, Inverness, >Scotland in Aug 1851 with the destination of Quebec, Canada > >Look forward hearing from you. > >TIA and Re, > >Steven Lyday >[email protected] >