Hi Barb, Could you give the counties for those townships? Thanks. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > Hi, > > I was wondering if SKS would do a census lookup for me. > > Donald C. MUNRO - Downie Township, Ontario > Joseph SHEPPARD - Gowanstown, Wallace Township, Ontario > > And finally RUSTON, MOSE.S - Ellice Township, Ontario. I am not sure what the abbrevation for the first name stands for. > > Thank you for all of your help. > > Barb > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Carmichael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] URL from Britannia, Scots In Canada History > Found an interesting chapter from Britannia while doing a search for Scottish settlements in Canada. This part is Chapter 17: http://www.britannia.com/celtic/scotland/scot18b.html > > -Diana- Diana Thanks for posting Chapter 17. dougmacrae > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, I was wondering if SKS would do a census lookup for me. Donald C. MUNRO - Downie Township, Ontario Joseph SHEPPARD - Gowanstown, Wallace Township, Ontario And finally RUSTON, MOSE.S - Ellice Township, Ontario. I am not sure what the abbrevation for the first name stands for. Thank you for all of your help. Barb

Christine wrote in to-day and gave the URL for the National Library in Ottawa, which will be very useful. If anyone is interested in Alberta history a useful URL is the University of Calgary at www.ucalgary.ca . They have a terrific online library of books about this province. On the home page click on Library then on Our Future; Our Past which is in the bottom right of your screen. It is definitely worth a browse. Happy Trails Malcolm A. Shaw, Calgary, Alberta

Found an interesting chapter from Britannia while doing a search for Scottish settlements in Canada. This part is Chapter 17: http://www.britannia.com/celtic/scotland/scot18b.html -Diana-

I had this in my boodmarks, thought I would pass on, some may find something, although it is to a specific area, some of the ships did carry on to the United States. Also there is a link at the very bottom to a Dave Hunter's links, he has a wealth of shipping information. Christine http://www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/mainpass.htm

This could be of some interest to a number of you - http://www.btinternet.com/~b.orr/canada.htm David (Who's computer is about to go radical refurbishment)

Hi List Members, Over the past few days there has been threads about The Highland Clearances and in general about history of Scotland, which for some reason we all seem to know or have a fair bit of knowledge about, but Canada seems to be a bit elusive to some of us, and I got wondering how many of us really know or understand anything about Canada...so I went checking in my books, then on the internet to find something to give us a better understanding....for now I have settled on this....parts of it will interest you and parts will not, but give it a look.....hope some find it interesting. Cheers Christine http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/confed/index-e.html

Hello I am new to the list and would like to state my interests: I am tracing my wife's family tree. She is the Grand daughter of Henry Allan and Marion Struthers Jamieson who lived in the Pennant/Swift Current area. Any Clues? ===== Be cheerful and keep the faith,Frank C. Turnerhttp://athanael.net/frankcturner/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Scottish Studies Centre Fall Conference On September 12-14, 2002 the Centre for Scottish Studies at Simon Fraser University will be holding its third annual conference, this time featuring an in-depth look at the Scots Heritage in British Columbia and the Canadian West. In addition to talks, workshops and paper presentations, the event will provide an opportunity for people to have archivists, librarians and other experts assess the historical value of any letters, books, papers, art works or similar material that they may have in their possession relating to the role of Scots in Canada. While the Scots were one of the largest settler groups in British Columbia and were prominent in the fur trade, government, banking, agriculture, fishing, the military, the labour movement, education and many other areas, their central role in the history of B.C. and the Canadian West has not been fully explored. Speakers at the conference such as James Hunter from the Highlands and Islands Enterprise (author of A Dance Called America and Glencoe and the Indians) and Marjory Harper from the University of Aberdeen (author of Emigration from North-East Scotland) will address this issue in a series of talks and workshops. Specific topics include: Scots Ethnicity as Canadian Identity: Nova Scotia's McQueen Sisters in British Columbia, Jean Barman The Photographic Representation of Scots on the Prairies, Keith Bell Highland Bagpipe Composers in Western Canada, Alan Bevan Gaelic Speakers during the Hudson's Bay Co, Era, Sharron Gunn From the Prairies to the Pacific: The Scots in Western Canada, Marjory Harper A Scottish Highlander in the Camp of Sitting Bull, James Hunter From the Hudson Bay Company's William Fraser Tolmie to UBC's John Davidson: Scots Dominance of Botanical Discoveries and Horticultural Development in the Canadian Pacific Northwest, 1792-1992, Clive Justice Chasing the Comet: David Caldo's Scottish-Canadian Adventure, Pat Koratchek Scottish Heritage Restoration in Fintry, B.C., Paul Koroscil Eric Duncan: Vancouver Island Bard, Richard Mackie Ralph Connor in the West, David Marshall Scots Miners in Fort Rupert and Nanaimo, Ruth Underhill Crofters and Canneries: The Interwar Attempt to Introduce Scots into the BC Fishing Industry, Michael Vance Scots on the Coast before Alexander Mackenzie, Bruce Watson Along with these presentations, librarians, archivists and museum curators from B.C. and Scotland will review the kinds of source materials that are available to those who wish to study the role of Scots in B.C. and the West. It is our hope that the materials that individuals, associations and other groups bring to the conference for assessment and valuation will be a significant addition to the archival sources concerning the role of Scots. It is not, of course, our intention to 'acquire' the materials that may be laying moribund in attics, basements, offices, filing cabinets or other storage spots, but rather to enable the owners to assess the historical value of the material ands, if agreeable, to include them in an archival data base for use of people interested in the history of British Columbia, family histories, or other topics related to Scots in B.C. For further information about bringing Archival materials to the conference, contact Ron Sutherland at [email protected] or 604-988-0479 To be added to the Scottish Centre mailing list and receive information about the 2002 Conference, contact Wendy Sjolin at [email protected] or 604-291-3689 ===== Be cheerful and keep the faith,Frank C. Turnerhttp://athanael.net/frankcturner/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Correction, Joseph Elliott was my great grandfather. I do have additional information about Joseph Elliott from the point he was in the US also. Randy At 02:39 PM 5/16/02 -0600, Randy Elliott wrote: >I am seeking any information on 2nd great grandfather Joseph Elliott b. >Jul 1863 > >According to my research thus far he is from Canada and his mother tongue >was French so I'm assuming Quebec. > >Hi immigrated to the United States in 1880. > >His father is listed in census data as having been from Scotland and his >mother is listed as being from Canada. > >This is all the information that I have thus far. > >Thanks, > >Randy > > >==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word >unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh >email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am seeking any information on 2nd great grandfather Joseph Elliott b. Jul 1863 According to my research thus far he is from Canada and his mother tongue was French so I'm assuming Quebec. Hi immigrated to the United States in 1880. His father is listed in census data as having been from Scotland and his mother is listed as being from Canada. This is all the information that I have thus far. Thanks, Randy

You might want to check with the National Archives to see if they have any information on the payments. They might have a list of individuals that came off these ships since they had to record any expenditure of funds. An e-mail to Mary Munk at the National Archives might help. [email protected] However, they are about 2 months behind in replying so don't be surprised if you don't get an immediate e-mail. They do reply though and they are quite thorough. I have had some good success. See what is at their site as well: http://www.archives.ca For a newspaper, try to find microfilms of the Pilot as it was around at the time. The Gazette was also around but I don't know whether it would have anything. It would be the easiest paper to find microfilms of as it is still operational and remains as the only Montreal English language daily newspaper. Where are you located relative to large Canadian libraries? I hope that is of some help. Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lyday" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > Hi everyone, > > Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note > regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. > These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and > S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were > completely destitute. The Canadian government paid passage for many of > them to travel on to Hamilton. Do not know if this helps. It appears > that Col. Gordon refused to reimburse Canada for the expenses incurred. > > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm of Quebec or other newspapers for > this period that might contain published passenger lists? > > > TIA and Re, > > SPL > > >Hi All, > > > >Does anyone have access to or can point me to a resource that might > >contain the passenger list to the following ships: > > > >Brooksby Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 28-08-1851 > >Montezuma Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 30-08-1851 > >Perthshire Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 10-09-1851 > >Admiral Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 01-10-1851 > >Liskeard Lochboisdale 00-08-1851 Quebec 18-10-1851 > > > >They all left the port of Lochboisdale, Isle of South Uist, Inverness, > >Scotland in Aug 1851 with the destination of Quebec, Canada > > > >Look forward hearing from you. > > > >TIA and Re, > > > >Steven Lyday > >[email protected] > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hullo Everyone, I am writing to tell you about a brand new mailing list and message board on RootsWeb that I think might be of interest to you. Nova Scotia is one of the Maritime Provinces with a long and glorious seafaring tradition. The topic of the list and board is the genealogy of Nova Scotia as it relates to the people who followed the sea, their families, and the ships they sailed on. People can subscribe by sending the usual "subscribe" message to: [email protected] - for list mode or [email protected] - for digest mode This message is on behalf of - David E. Cann [email protected] Administrator of the Nova Scotia Seafarers mailing list and message board on RootsWeb. Board location: From the RootsWeb message board home page, click on: "browse all topics," then "occupations" and "Seafarers of Nova Scotia" Thanks. David. This email has been scanned with Norton AntiVirus 2002

Hi Jenny - I had a look on the 1881 census index for Gr. Britain. There were 263 Charles (mainly Cooper with a few Coupar, Copper and Cowper) between 1877 and 1881. 13 with the initial H both Scotland and England. There was a Charles Cowper (closest spelling) born Liverpool 1880 - no father shown, mother was Agnes Cowper and there were 4 other children. It looks like a long shot to me but if I can look up anything else just let me know. Pat. www.saskgenealogy.com looks quite helpful if you are looking for cemetery info.

Hi Listers, I am trying to find information about the birthplace and ancestry of a Charles Cowpar. Most of the information I have is from local histories and family members so it may contain errors. Here's what I have: Charles Cowpar was born between 1877 and 1880. His full name may have been Charles Hamilton Cowpar. He is thought to have been of Scottish descent. I've found a Charles Hamilton Wade Cooper on the IGI but haven't been able to determine if he is the correct one. A birth and marriage is given but the information doesn't quite fit. A family member believes that Charles came to Canada from London, England as a young man and worked at various occupations. He apparently worked for the Hudson Bay Company, Revillon Freres, and the Peace River Trading and Land Co. (known as the Diamond P) at various times. However, I've had no luck in finding any records of this. Charles also worked (as an accountant/book keeper) for Robert Krantz in the Krantz Bros. General Store in Wembley, AB In 1914 Charles married Elmire "Julia" Malbeouf. She was probably Metis. They were married in St. John the Baptist Church, Ile-a-la-Crosse, SK. She was 23 and a widow with at least 2 children. They moved to Lake Saskatoon, SK around 1915-1916. A notation on a record from the Archdiocese of Keewatin - La Pas states that he was the son of Charles Cowpar and A. Hamilton, from Wembley, AB. I believed that Charles came to Canada alone and am a bit confused by this information. The notation also states that a dispensation was granted for mixed religion which may indicate that he was Anglican. I have spent some time trying to find Charles on the 1901 census but haven't been successful - yet. I would like to find his name on a ship's passenger list of course but have no idea when or where to look. My goal is to find his place of birth and then perhaps I will be able to further research his ancestry. Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Jenny _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hi List Thank you for your discussions on the the Highland Clearances. I have a much better understanding of the times in Scotland. My Grandfather McDonald's family left Scotland and came to Canada but I am not sure of the year. My Great Grandpa was born in Canada and my Grandpa was born in Wisconsin. Very little was said about Scotland or why they left. They all seamed to love Scotland very much and were so proud to be Scotch. I had heard of the Jacob Uprising, the McDonald Massacre and Flora McDonald. They said they were direct lines back to the McDonald's at Mor. But the timing did not match up. The Highland Clearances sounds more like the timing I should be looking at. JOHN J. MCDONALD was born 1817 in Scotland. He married MARGARET CAMPBELL 1842. MARGARET CAMPBELL was born 1819 in Scotland. John J. McDonald, b. Canada 1/13/1842 Roderick J ³Rory² McDonald b. Eau Claire Wisconsin b. 04/01/1877 Again thank you for discussing the Clearances. Kit -- Kit Niemann - [email protected] Sir Names: Murphy / Roundtree - Pearl / Leonard McDonald / McCann - Wenzel Niemann - Allen / Kimball

Here is one site about Border Collies. Christine http://www.gis.net/~shepdog/BC_Museum/Permanent/BC_History.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edbld" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] " Highland " Clearances > I thought that the Border Collie had the best temperment for herding sheep. > Can anyone say for sure when they were introduced and when ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce K McGill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearances > > > > The Highlanders were certainly discriminated against. Actually, still > > discriminated against. Even "Monty Python ..." had running gags making fun > > of people's attitudes. > > > > There is no evidence that I've seen, though, that says that there was an > > ethnic motivation. Look at perhaps the most flagrant example ... > > Renfrewshire. That was purely a clan chieftain (chieftanesse?) who cleared > > the whole shire strictly for monetary reasons. > > > > I don't think the Highlanders "herded" cattle. Certainly not in the same > > sense as herding sheep. Some of them did herd sheep when they were > > introduced. The Lowlanders brought in, though, had the experience and > > temperament to do the job better. > > > > It isn't like the Lowlanders replaced the Highlanders. Where it had take > > several families to farm a piece of land, it only took one Lowland > shepherd > > to take care of all the sheep on that farm. > > > > There is no way the purpose of The Clearances was to replace the > Highlanders > > with Lowlanders. Very few Lowlanders moved in as a result, and most of the > > Highlanders were left to fend for themselves still in the Highlands. > > > > Only a relatively small percentage of those who had been cleared were > > deported. The rest were left to their own devices, just not on the farms. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > From: Steven Lyday <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:08:04 -0700 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearances > > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > > Resent-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:12:33 -0600 > > > > > > Hi Malcolm, > > > > > > I am not sure that "ethnic cleansing" is that far off the mark. The > > > fact of the matter is that Scotland was comprised of two sets of ethic > > > peoples. The Gael Highlander and the Lowlander. They did not understand > > > each other. The prevailing view of the lowlander was that the Highland > > > was referred to as "wild Irishmen" and to some "The only good > > > Highlander was a dead Highlander" > > > > > > After Bonnie Prince Charlie's defeat at Culloden 1746 eradication of the > > > troublesome Highlanders started in earnest. > > > > > > The fact of the matter is that whether clearances were done by: > > > -the absentee chiefs themselves > > > -by English who purchased the land > > > -by English who received land seized after Culloden > > > > > > the goal in most cases was to get rid of the indigenous people. > > > > > > In most cases it was to "improve the land" i.e. make it more profitable. > > > There were other cases where the people were cleared to make room for > > > red deer and or increase grouse cover to improve his lordships hunting. > > > > > > Bottom line was that the goal for many was to get rid of a race of > > > people, "the Gael". One question that I have is why bring in southern > > > shepherds with the sheep. The Highlanders had been herding cattle for > > > hundreds of years. Were sheep too complicated for them? I do not > > > thinks so. > > > > > > Clearance Reading: > > > Great outlines; > > > http://www.celtic-connection.com/lit/clearanc-12-96.html > > > http://members.aol.com/skyewrites/clrchron.html > > > > > > Articles: > > > http://members.aol.com/skyewrites/menu9.html > > > > http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Hty_Sct//High_Clr/Mem/High > _C > > > lr.html > > > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/sclearstrath.htm > > > > > > Re, > > > > > > Steven Lyday > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Malcolm, that sounds like good advice. Tx Aye, Bob McArtor

I thought that the Border Collie had the best temperment for herding sheep. Can anyone say for sure when they were introduced and when ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce K McGill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearances > The Highlanders were certainly discriminated against. Actually, still > discriminated against. Even "Monty Python ..." had running gags making fun > of people's attitudes. > > There is no evidence that I've seen, though, that says that there was an > ethnic motivation. Look at perhaps the most flagrant example ... > Renfrewshire. That was purely a clan chieftain (chieftanesse?) who cleared > the whole shire strictly for monetary reasons. > > I don't think the Highlanders "herded" cattle. Certainly not in the same > sense as herding sheep. Some of them did herd sheep when they were > introduced. The Lowlanders brought in, though, had the experience and > temperament to do the job better. > > It isn't like the Lowlanders replaced the Highlanders. Where it had take > several families to farm a piece of land, it only took one Lowland shepherd > to take care of all the sheep on that farm. > > There is no way the purpose of The Clearances was to replace the Highlanders > with Lowlanders. Very few Lowlanders moved in as a result, and most of the > Highlanders were left to fend for themselves still in the Highlands. > > Only a relatively small percentage of those who had been cleared were > deported. The rest were left to their own devices, just not on the farms. > > Bruce > > > > From: Steven Lyday <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:08:04 -0700 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearances > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:12:33 -0600 > > > > Hi Malcolm, > > > > I am not sure that "ethnic cleansing" is that far off the mark. The > > fact of the matter is that Scotland was comprised of two sets of ethic > > peoples. The Gael Highlander and the Lowlander. They did not understand > > each other. The prevailing view of the lowlander was that the Highland > > was referred to as "wild Irishmen" and to some "The only good > > Highlander was a dead Highlander" > > > > After Bonnie Prince Charlie's defeat at Culloden 1746 eradication of the > > troublesome Highlanders started in earnest. > > > > The fact of the matter is that whether clearances were done by: > > -the absentee chiefs themselves > > -by English who purchased the land > > -by English who received land seized after Culloden > > > > the goal in most cases was to get rid of the indigenous people. > > > > In most cases it was to "improve the land" i.e. make it more profitable. > > There were other cases where the people were cleared to make room for > > red deer and or increase grouse cover to improve his lordships hunting. > > > > Bottom line was that the goal for many was to get rid of a race of > > people, "the Gael". One question that I have is why bring in southern > > shepherds with the sheep. The Highlanders had been herding cattle for > > hundreds of years. Were sheep too complicated for them? I do not > > thinks so. > > > > Clearance Reading: > > Great outlines; > > http://www.celtic-connection.com/lit/clearanc-12-96.html > > http://members.aol.com/skyewrites/clrchron.html > > > > Articles: > > http://members.aol.com/skyewrites/menu9.html > > http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Hty_Sct//High_Clr/Mem/High _C > > lr.html > > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/sclearstrath.htm > > > > Re, > > > > Steven Lyday > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >