Hi Lynn, It seems there are a lot of people who are missing their relatives from these census CDs. I wonder if the Canadian enumerators were a bit less persistent than their British counterparts? David in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clara Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Hi David, > I have found that the 1881 Canadian census doesn't include many of my > relatives. They were mostly farmers, so they were probably in the fields. > My ggrandfather was not on the list, nor was his wife and children, but my > gggrandfather was listed at their address. He was in his eighties. > Lynn Johnson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > >

Hello, I am new to this list and wondering if anyone else is researching the name Ballantyne in Montreal. My GGGrandfather John Ballantyne and his wife Hannah lived there in the 1870's, coming from Glasgow. They had a daughter, Jennette, born in Montreal, 1872. Hannah died in 1875, buried in Mount Royal Cemetery and I am trying to find John. Jennette died in Ohio in 1921. John was a member of St. Clair Masonic Lodge in Dennistoun,Glasgow, Scotland. I appreciate any help anyone could give me. Thank you, Shari

Hi David, I have found that the 1881 Canadian census doesn't include many of my relatives. They were mostly farmers, so they were probably in the fields. My ggrandfather was not on the list, nor was his wife and children, but my gggrandfather was listed at their address. He was in his eighties. Lynn Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Hi Barb, > > I wasn't able to find any Robert Sheppard of the right age, give or take two > years, anywhere on the census. I did find a Findley Munro of the right age, > but he doesn't seem to fit your other criteria. > > Census Place: Dumfries South, Brant North, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375900 NAC C-13264 Dist 160 SubDist C Div 2 Page 13 > Family 62 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > Duncan MUNRO M M 39 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Mason Religion: C. Presbyterian > Sarah MUNRO F M 45 Scottish Scotland > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Janet MUNRO F 12 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Findley MUNRO M 10 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Betsey MUNRO F 8 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > James MUNRO M 6 Scottish Ontario > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Duncan MUNRO M 4 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > I've been unable to find some of my relatives on these census CDs, too. > > David in Pennsylvania > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:26 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > > > > Dear Malcolm and David > > > > Thank you for trying to lookup my surnames for me. I am not sure what > else I can add to aid in the search. Their names are listed in the 1878 > historical atlas of Perth county. > > > > It states that > > > > DONALD C. MUNRO arrived to Canada in 1855 and was living in Downie > Township. Looking for a child by the name of Findlay in the family > approximate age 10. > > > > JOSEPH SHEPPARD arrived in 1857 was a farmer and was living in Wallace > township. Looking for a child Robert H. Sheppard approximate age 9 in 1881. > > > > Thank you both for the lookups. Maybe this information will help. > > > > Sincerely > > Barb > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you very much Rob for forwarding this on to the list. It is of intense interest to those of us outside Canada. We in New Zealand have only gone the other way in the last few censuses. All of ours from 1851 on were destroyed. I think it is only from the 1970 or 1980s we have kept ours. Bobbie, Upper Hutt, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob McLean" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Canadian Census Update

Hi Barb, I wasn't able to find any Robert Sheppard of the right age, give or take two years, anywhere on the census. I did find a Findley Munro of the right age, but he doesn't seem to fit your other criteria. Census Place: Dumfries South, Brant North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375900 NAC C-13264 Dist 160 SubDist C Div 2 Page 13 Family 62 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MUNRO M M 39 Scottish Scotland Occ: Mason Religion: C. Presbyterian Sarah MUNRO F M 45 Scottish Scotland Religion: C. Presbyterian Janet MUNRO F 12 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Findley MUNRO M 10 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Betsey MUNRO F 8 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian James MUNRO M 6 Scottish Ontario Religion: C. Presbyterian Duncan MUNRO M 4 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian I've been unable to find some of my relatives on these census CDs, too. David in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Dear Malcolm and David > > Thank you for trying to lookup my surnames for me. I am not sure what else I can add to aid in the search. Their names are listed in the 1878 historical atlas of Perth county. > > It states that > > DONALD C. MUNRO arrived to Canada in 1855 and was living in Downie Township. Looking for a child by the name of Findlay in the family approximate age 10. > > JOSEPH SHEPPARD arrived in 1857 was a farmer and was living in Wallace township. Looking for a child Robert H. Sheppard approximate age 9 in 1881. > > Thank you both for the lookups. Maybe this information will help. > > Sincerely > Barb > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Many thk Bob and many others who have answered both on and off list providing info and suggestions as to where to go next in my search for possible sources to determine the passenger for the Clearance Ships from S. Uist. Regards, Steven Lyday >You might want to check with the National Archives to see if they have any >information on the payments. They might have a list of individuals that came >off these ships since they had to record any expenditure of funds. An e-mail >to Mary Munk at the National Archives might help. [email protected] >However, they are about 2 months behind in replying so don't be surprised if >you don't get an immediate e-mail. They do reply though and they are quite >thorough. I have had some good success. See what is at their site as well: >http://www.archives.ca > >For a newspaper, try to find microfilms of the Pilot as it was around at the >time. The Gazette was also around but I don't know whether it would have >anything. It would be the easiest paper to find microfilms of as it is still >operational and remains as the only Montreal English language daily >newspaper. Where are you located relative to large Canadian libraries? > >I hope that is of some help. >Bob in Toronto > >Steven, > >Just got to thinking about this -- these people were destitute -- that >means they would have required assistance from the emigration agent at >Quebec and inland where ever they moved. So... you may be in luck. The >Hawke papers at the Archives of Ontario cover the Hamilton area (every >thing from Kingston-Hamilton-Toronto). There are correspondence papers and >financial papers in that collection and the letters are wonderful. There is >no index but you can borrow the reel on inter-library loan through your >local library. Check them out here > >http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/interloan/hawkes.htm > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Lyday" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM >Subject: [SCTCDN] Scottish Clearence Ships > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Many thks for the off list suggestions. So far no joy. Another note >> regarding these ships that I should have made in the original post. >> These 5 ships were contracted by Colonel Gordon to clear Benbecula and >> S. Uist of it tenants. The passengers arrived in rags and were >

My apologies for any misleading information, I do have a chart, with a Downie Township being in Huron County, but it was before the 1881 time frame by about forty years or so, names and boundaries did change, sorry for inconvenience. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > Downie Township is not in Huron Co but in Perth Country > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Downie Township is not in Huron Co but in Perth Country

ATTENTION: "Bobbie Amyes" <[email protected]> Hi Bobbie, I would think copies of the 1851 census would exist somewhere in England. The government of the day would have wanted that information for tax purposes. Maybe I am totally offbase here but you might want to see if you can track it down. Bob in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian and Bobbie Amyes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Canadian Census Update > Thank you very much Rob for forwarding this on to the list. It is of intense > interest to those of us outside Canada. > We in New Zealand have only gone the other way in the last few censuses. All > of ours from 1851 on were destroyed. I think it is only from the 1970 or > 1980s we have kept ours. > Bobbie, Upper Hutt, NZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob McLean" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:17 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Canadian Census Update > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

ATTENTION: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> Hi Barb, You might want to see if you can get a photocopy of the page as many of them are quite graphic and show the actual farms, and sometimes contain drawings of the ancestors. Bob in Toronto. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]>" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] 1881 Census Lookup > Dear Malcolm and David > > Thank you for trying to lookup my surnames for me. I am not sure what else I can add to aid in the search. Their names are listed in the 1878 historical atlas of Perth county. > > It states that > > DONALD C. MUNRO arrived to Canada in 1855 and was living in Downie Township. Looking for a child by the name of Findlay in the family approximate age 10. > > JOSEPH SHEPPARD arrived in 1857 was a farmer and was living in Wallace township. Looking for a child Robert H. Sheppard approximate age 9 in 1881. > > Thank you both for the lookups. Maybe this information will help. > > Sincerely > Barb > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Greetings All. My apologies in advance for the length of this message. During our campaign to regain public access to Historic Census Records we have used a variety of methods to make our needs known. We have written to MPs and Senators, to the Expert Panel, and various Ministers. Our recent brief tactic of faxing polite requests to Industry Minister Allan Rock was, we believe, a successful effort. Arising out of our legal Application for a Judicial Review and my recent cross-examination by Justice Canada lawyers comes a suggestion for another step in our campaign. As indicated in my recent posting regarding my cross-examination, my impression was that the lawyers from Justice Canada felt that anyone wanting access to the 1906 Census records should be making Access to Information Requests to Statistics Canada and/or the National Archives, and when we are refused we should submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner. Our suggestion at this time is that we should accomodate these learned individuals. We should do so by having everyone interested in genealogical or historical research submit an Access to Information Request for the schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces to Statistics Canada and/or the National Archives of Canada. Having made this suggestion I must now advise that anyone submitting such a request is required by the ATI Act to submit with each request a check for five dollars (Cdn) made out to the "Receiver General of Canada". At the discretion of the department to which the Request is submitted this check may, or may not, be returned. The ability to submit an Access to Information Request is limited to permanent residents of Canada. Unfortunately this requirement eliminates the participation of our many supporters from outside of Canada. An Access to Information Request may be made simply by writing a letter, or by downloading forms (in Word, WordPerfect, or Adobe PDF formats) from a Government of Canada website at http://infosource.gc.ca/Info_4/atip/Request-Frms_e.html Your message need not be lengthy. Use your own words to say something like the following: "As a family historian and genealogist I have a requirement to view and obtain information regarding my ancestors from Historic Census Records. The Privacy Act of Canada, and Regulations attached thereto, provide that information from Census may be made available to any person or body, for purposes of research, 92 years after collection. This message is to be considered my Request, under the Access to Information Act, for access to schedules of the 1906 Special Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba). Thank you." Adjust the wording to suit your personal circumstance, but be specific about needing to view the records for the 1906 Census. Address your requests to Statistics Canada ATIP Co-ordinator, Pamela White R.H. Coats Building, 25th Floor Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0T6 National Archives of Canada ATIP Co-ordinator, Bill Wood 395 Wellington Street, Room 349 Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N3 Departments receiving ATI requests are required by law to respond within thirty days of receipt of your request. When you receive their official denial of your request, and we know that it will be denied, you are then entitled to complain about this denial to the Information Commissioner of Canada. It is important that in addition to making the ATI Request you follow through with a complaint when it is denied. There is no charge to make such a complaint. Address your complaint to: Mr. John Reid Information Commissioner of Canada Place de Ville, Tower B 112 Kent Street, 22nd Floor Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 1H3 So that we might be able to have some idea of how many ATI requests are made for the 1906 records I would ask that you send me a copy of your Request. These may be sent to me by fax at (604) 942-6843, or by snail mail to Gordon A. Watts 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Thank you all for your continued support. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Greetings All. On Friday 10 May 2002 our lawyer, Lois Sparling was in Ottawa to cross-examine representatives of Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi (Mary Ledoux) and National Archivist Ian Wilson (Greg Eamon). It would appear that our expectations of a straight forward question and answer period dealing with the issues was not to be. Lois indicates that Justice Canada lawyers stone-walled much of her line of questioning and refused to allow the witnesses to answer many of her questions. Simple questions such as when the 1906 Census returns were micro-filmed, and by whom, were not allowed to be answered. The witnesses had obviously been coached on what they could or could not say and were prevented from answering many of the questions posed by Lois. A possible surprize in these cross-examinations was the lack of response from the witness representing Ian Wilson who, we know from personal conversations with him, supports our efforts to regain public access to the Post 1901 Census records. It is presumed that a reluctance to cooperate by this witness was once again directed by the Justice Canada lawyers. Professor Bill Waiser of the University of Saskatchewan, and myself were cross-examined Tuesday 14 May 2002, in Lois Sparling's Calgary offices. As we were questioned separately, I cannot say what Professor Waiser was questioned on. My own questioning was a surprize, and not what I had expected. I had thought to be questioned on some of the legal points of our arguments but such was not the case. The thrust of the questions asked of me had to do with whether or not I was a professional genealogist, and whether or not I had personally made an Access to Information Request for access to the 1901 Census records. While Lois made no objection to any of the questions asked of me by the Justice lawyers, they refused to allow me to answer some questions she asked in re-examination. My impression, from their line of questioning, is that they expect anyone seeking information from the 1906 Census to submit an Access to Information Request for that information, and when that is refused, to submit a complaint with the Informations Commissioner. It would appear that their line of thought is that if we did not follow this route, then we have not availed ourselves of alternate methods of obtaining information from Census. My own response to their question on this was that I had not personally made an ATI Request for access to the 1906 Census Record. I had not done so because I was aware of Professor Waiser's application, and refusal thereof, and that it was well known that Statistics Canada would not honour such a request. I noted also, that while the intent of the Access to Information Act was to enable easier access to information, it was more often than not used by the governement to exclude or exempt the information requested. Professor Waiser and myself were the only plaintiffs to be personally cross-examined by Justice Canada. The remaining plaintiffs were sent written interogatories, the thrust of which were also questioning whether or not they had personally made ATI Requests for the 1906 Census Records to either Statistics Canada or the National Archives. Lois indicates that she will likely have to bring an application in Federal Court to compel answers to her questions, and may have to bring another court application to compel timely compliance with the undertakings they did give. She may also have to make more court applications to get answers to the next set of questions and timely compliance with the next set of undertakings. All in all it would appear that the main objective of the Justice Canada lawyers is further delay. It is well known that the positions of Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi and National Archivist Ian Wilson are diametrically opposed. Dr. Fellegi opposes access to the records while Ian Wilson supports it. We do not see how lawyers from Justice Canada can represent the positions of both defendants. In our opinion this is a clear case of conflict of interest. There are set time limits for each stage of our application. This has been only one stage of the proceedings and we will keep you informed of our progress though each stage. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

In a message dated 05/17/2002 8:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am new to the list and would like to state my interests: > > I am tracing my wife's family tree. > She is the Grand daughter of Henry Allan and Marion > Struthers Jamieson who lived in the Pennant/Swift Current > area. Any Clues? > > I have a Maaurice William Jamieson his wife was Elizabeth Poore and they had 6 childrend beginning with Marilyn Elizabeth Jamieson born Oct 22 1951 alos with siblings Caroline Jacquelyn Michael Murray and Mark. born in 1960 they were from Ontario, possibley the Lambton, McGillivery twp area.

Hi Barb, I should have said there were 83 Donald Munros in all of Canada, rather than just Ontario. David in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > Hi, > > I was wondering if SKS would do a census lookup for me. > > Donald C. MUNRO - Downie Township, Ontario > Joseph SHEPPARD - Gowanstown, Wallace Township, Ontario > > And finally RUSTON, MOSE.S - Ellice Township, Ontario. I am not sure what the abbrevation for the first name stands for. > > Thank you for all of your help. > > Barb > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Christine, Thanks for the help! Canadian geography isn't my strong suit. <g> David in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > David, > > Downie Township is Huron County > Ellice Township is Huron County > Wallace Township is Perth County > > Christine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > Could you give the counties for those townships? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Barb, This looks like your Moses Ruston. Census Place: Ellice, Perth North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375907 NAC C-13271 Dist 172 SubDist B Div 1 Page 6 Family 27 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Moses RUSTON M 58 English England Occ: Farmer Religion: Church of England Betty RUSTON F W 54 English Ontario Religion: P Methodist William RUSTON M 26 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist Benjiman RUSTON M 24 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist Martha RUSTON F 22 English Ontario Religion: P Methodist Richard George RUSTON M 21 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist Catherine RUSTON F 19 English Ontario Religion: P Methodist James Bedford RUSTON M 16 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist There were 13 Joseph Sheppard/Shepperd entries for Canada, all in Ontario, but none in Perth County. There were 83 Donald Munros in Ontario, with variations on the spelling of the surname. The only Donald C. (or with a middle name beginning with C) I was able to find was this one. Census Place: Lake Winnipeg, North Eastern Extension, Extension, Manitoba, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375920 NAC C-13284 Dist 186 SubDist C Page 6 Family 18 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Alexander MUNROE M M 39 Scottish Scotland Occ: Fur Trader Religion: Presbyterian Catherine MUNROE F M 27 Scottish Northwest Territories Religion: Church of England Angus MUNROE M 7 Scottish Northwest Territories Religion: Church of England Louisa MUNROE F 5 Scottish Northwest Territories Religion: Church of England Duncan MUNROE M 4 Scottish Northwest Territories Religion: Church of England Donald C. MUNROE M 2 Scottish Northwest Territories Religion: Church of England Alexander James MUNROE M <1 Scottish Northwest Territories Religion: Church of England Born: Aug; 6/12 David in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > Hi, > > I was wondering if SKS would do a census lookup for me. > > Donald C. MUNRO - Downie Township, Ontario > Joseph SHEPPARD - Gowanstown, Wallace Township, Ontario > > And finally RUSTON, MOSE.S - Ellice Township, Ontario. I am not sure what the abbrevation for the first name stands for. > > Thank you for all of your help. > > Barb > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

An update for my fellow Canadian researchers, and an eye opener for the others! Forwarded for Gordon A. Watts - [email protected] ------------------- Greetings All. On Friday 10 May 2002 our lawyer, Lois Sparling was in Ottawa to cross-examine representatives of Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi (Mary Ledoux) and National Archivist Ian Wilson (Greg Eamon). It would appear that our expectations of a straight forward question and answer period dealing with the issues was not to be. Lois indicates that Justice Canada lawyers stone-walled much of her line of questioning and refused to allow the witnesses to answer many of her questions. Simple questions such as when the 1906 Census returns were micro-filmed, and by whom, were not allowed to be answered. The witnesses had obviously been coached on what they could or could not say and were prevented from answering many of the questions posed by Lois. A possible surprise in these cross-examinations was the lack of response from the witness representing Ian Wilson who, we know from personal conversations with him, supports our efforts to regain public access to the Post 1901 Census records. It is presumed that a reluctance to cooperate by this witness was once again directed by the Justice Canada lawyers. Professor Bill Waiser of the University of Saskatchewan, and myself were cross-examined Tuesday 14 May 2002, in Lois Sparling's Calgary offices. As we were questioned separately, I cannot say what Professor Waiser was questioned on. My own questioning was a surprise, and not what I had expected. I had thought to be questioned on some of the legal points of our arguments but such was not the case. The thrust of the questions asked of me had to do with whether or not I was a professional genealogist, and whether or not I had personally made an Access to Information Request for access to the 1901Census records. While Lois made no objection to any of the questions asked of me by the Justice lawyers, they refused to allow me to answer some questions she asked in re-examination. My impression, from their line of questioning, is that they expect anyone seeking information from the 1906 Census to submit an Access to Information Request for that information, and when that is refused, to submit a complaint with the Informations Commissioner. It would appear that their line of thought is that if we did not follow this route, then we have not availed ourselves of alternate methods of obtaining information from Census. My own response to their question on this was that I had not personally made an ATI Request for access to the 1906 Census Record. I had not done so because I was aware of Professor Waiser's application, and refusal thereof, and that it was well known that Statistics Canada would not honour such a request. I noted also, that while the intent of the Access to Information Act was to enable easier access to information, it was more often than not used by the governments to exclude or exempt the information requested. Professor Waiser and myself were the only plaintiffs to be personally cross-examined by Justice Canada. The remaining plaintiffs were sent written interrogatories, the thrust of which were also questioning whether or not they had personally made ATI Requests for the 1906 Census Records to either Statistics Canada or the National Archives. Lois indicates that she will likely have to bring an application in Federal Court to compel answers to her questions, and may have to bring another court application to compel timely compliance with the undertakings they did give. She may also have to make more court applications to get answers to the next set of questions and timely compliance with the next set of undertakings. All in all it would appear that the main objective of the Justice Canada lawyers is further delay. It is well known that the positions of Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi and National Archivist Ian Wilson are diametrically opposed. Dr. Fellegi opposes access to the records while Ian Wilson supports it. We do not see how lawyers from Justice Canada can represent the positions of both defendants. In our opinion this is a clear case of conflict of interest. There are set time limits for each stage of our application. This has been only one stage of the proceedings and we will keep you informed of our progress though each stage. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. Rob McLean Rob McLean's Family History Home Page - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rmclean/index.html Harrow Early Immigrant Research Society - http://www.rootsweb.com/~onheirs Rainy River District, OntarioGenWeb - http://www/rootsweb.com/~onrainyr

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > Hi, > > I was wondering if SKS would do a census lookup for me. > > Donald C. MUNRO - Downie Township, Ontario Lots and lots of Donald MUNROs, but I don't see a Donald C or Downie Township. Do you know what county it was, or do you know when/where he was born? > Joseph SHEPPARD - Gowanstown, Wallace Township, Ontario Same problem here, though not quite as many. Can you narrow it down? > > And finally RUSTON, MOSE.S - Ellice Township, Ontario. I am not sure what the abbrevation for the first name stands for. Here's Moses Ruston: Census Place: Ellice, Perth North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375907 NAC C-13271 Dist 172 SubDist B Div 1 Page 6 Family 27 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Moses RUSTON M 58 English England Occ: Farmer Religion: Church of England Betty RUSTON F W 54 English Ontario Religion: P Methodist William RUSTON M 26 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist Benjiman RUSTON M 24 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist Martha RUSTON F 22 English Ontario Religion: P Methodist Richard George RUSTON M 21 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist Catherine RUSTON F 19 English Ontario Religion: P Methodist James Bedford RUSTON M 16 English Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: P Methodist > > Thank you for all of your help. > > Barb > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

David, Downie Township is Huron County Ellice Township is Huron County Wallace Township is Perth County Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Census lookup 1881 Canada Please > Hi Barb, > > Could you give the counties for those townships? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Malcolm and David Thank you for trying to lookup my surnames for me. I am not sure what else I can add to aid in the search. Their names are listed in the 1878 historical atlas of Perth county. It states that DONALD C. MUNRO arrived to Canada in 1855 and was living in Downie Township. Looking for a child by the name of Findlay in the family approximate age 10. JOSEPH SHEPPARD arrived in 1857 was a farmer and was living in Wallace township. Looking for a child Robert H. Sheppard approximate age 9 in 1881. Thank you both for the lookups. Maybe this information will help. Sincerely Barb