I am not sure list members if this page has been sent to list or not, but it is a worthwhile page to have, it has loads of links about history of Canada, and loads of leads to all areas of the country, if one needs to search history and genealogy.....enjoy. Christine www.islandnet.com/~jveinot/cghl/history.htmlada

Christine - Here's what I got. The file "/~jveinot/cghl/history.htmlada" does not exist on this server. What did I do wrong? Bruce > From: "christine" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:16:37 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCTCDN] Worthwhile Site > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:14:53 -0600 > > www.islandnet.com/~jveinot/cghl/history.htmlada

Greetings All. Just a short note to advise that my latest Post 1901 Census column is now online. It may be viewed at http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Greetings All. I have this morning received an indication that our efforts to regain public access to Historic Census Records in Canada is having an effect. While it is not widely visible (or even minutely visible) to most, I am advised that our efforts are putting great pressure on the government to get the Census issue resolved. There are, of course, still those in government and bureacratic circles who oppose our efforts in this regard. One of those is Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski. In his testimony before the Senate Committee reviewing Bill S-12, Mr. Radwanski stated that while he opposed Bill S-12, his opposition to public access of Historic Census Records was not as strong as was his predecessor, Bruce Phillips. He indicated that on a scale of one to ten, it was not a high priority on his list. It seems that Mr. Radwanski has changed his mind on this and he is now digging in his heels on the Census issue. It is therefore time to add yet another step to our campaign. We must let Mr. Radwanski know, in no uncertain terms, just how important it is to us that Post 1901 Census Records in Canada be made available on the same basis as records up to and including those of 1901 are currently available. We therefore encourage ALL genealogists and historians who wish to regain public access to Historic Census Records to write to Mr. Radwanski advising him of the importance of these records to us, and our desire to have access to him. As has been done in the past -- in letters to Members of Parliament and Senators -- feel free to advise him regarding our reasons for seeking this access. As Mr. Radwanski has no vote on Bill S-12, our letters to him should not be seeking specific support for it. Send your snail-mail letters to him at the following address. Mr. George Radwanski Privacy Commissioner of Canada 112 Kent Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1H3 Mr. Radwanski, for reasons of security, appears to prefer snail-mail and I have been unable to find a personal e-mail address for him. The website for the Privacy Commissioner, however, gives the following address for General Inquiries. [email protected] I would encourage all to use both methods to communicate our desires to Mr. Radwanski. When using email, include the above snail-mail above in your salutation. This effort is to be considered a concurrent step, not a replacement, for puttting in Access to Information Requests for the 1906 Census Records to Statistics Canada and the National Archives of Canada. We continue to encourage making those Requests as well as writing to Mr. Radwanski. Unlike the ATI Requests, there is no legislative restriction that prevents non-residents from participating in this effort. Those living outside of Canada should feel free to write your letters as well. Also, unlike our recent short term faxing of requests to Industry Minister Allan Rock, this is not to be considered a short term effort. We should continue this action until we have obtained our goal. As always, letters to Mr. Radwanski, or anyone else, must be polite and respectful, while still getting our points across. The support of everyone so far is greatly appreciated. With your continued support, we will win this battle. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

Hello: I have forwarded your message to my cousin Donald and another person who lives in Pitlochry, 15 miles from Aberfeldy. Both have common Malloch ancestry from that area. I don't know if they have information on the McPhersons. If they can assist, I am sure they will answer direct. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Macpherson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] McPhersons in Ontario and New York > Hi all: > > I've just subscribed to this list, after my PML criteria threw up at me the > following message from Peggy: > > > Here is my McPherson lineage...... > > > > 1. Donald MacPherson abt 1701 - 1723 Kingussie, INV,SCT > > +Mary Robertson abt 1711 - unk Kingussie, INV,SCT > > children: > > Malcolm chr 1725 Kingussie, INV,SCT > > Elspet chr 22 Jun 1728 > > 2. Duncan chr 6 Feb 1736 Kingussie, INV,SCT > > d, 1807 Wheatland/Caledonia, NY > > Original Elder of the First Presbyterian Church Of Caledonia (est 1805) > > Listed on register of elders as having died on or before 1807 (dated 4 Mar > > 1805 on sheet) > > + Catherine Campbell abt 1748 Badenoch, INV, SCT, d. Caledonia, NY > > married 29 Jan 1761 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > > children: > > Hanna b. INV, SCT > > John chr 22 Jun 1762 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > > Isobell chr 1 Aug 1764 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > > Alexander chr 21 Mar 1766 Kingussie & Insch, INV,SCT > > Findlay b 1782 INV, SCT, d 1847 Mumford, NY > > 3. Donald McPherson b 1770 INV, SCT, > > d. 27 May 1846 buried in Mumford Cem, Genesee Co. ,NY > > + Catherine Anderson b. 1784, d. 12 Sept 1818 Mumford Cem,NY > > + Mary McMartin b. 1780, d. 8 Sept 1851 Mumford Cem, NY > > children: > > Catherine prob SCT > > Eleanor prob SCT > > John prob SCT > > Alexander b. 1801 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > > Donald b. 1806 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > > 4. Duncan b. 22 Nov 1799 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > > d, 8 Feb 1879 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN > > + Jane McNaughton b. 4 Feb 1800 Glenlyon, Perthshire, SCT > > (chr at Fortingall, Perthshire) > > d. 12 Jan 1871 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN > > children: > > Jane Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > (5.) Catherine b. 24 Sept 1822 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > d. Nov 1875 & buried Ayr, Waterloo Co., ONT > > + William Scott > > Margaret b. 1824 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Elizabeth b. 1827 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Daniel b. 1829 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Mary b. 1832 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Malcolm b. 1834 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Ellen b. 1839 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > > > Generation #2 Duncan came with other McPhersons and Scots from the Badenoch > > area (Newtonmore, Kingussie, etc) to settle the Oatka River valley in > > Monroe Co. NY (now Genesee Co.). Duncan's grave is nonexistant at this > > time. I believe he was probably buried in Caledonia Presbyterian Cem as he > > was a founding elder. All others are buried in Mumford cem down the road. > > Duncan's daughter married Black Alex McPherson's son tying the two founding > > McPherson families together. They may be already a connection between the > > two but I haven't confirmed it yet. Black Alex of Crubinbeg, INV's lineage > > is in the book The Mcpherson's of Genesee Country, Vols 1 & 2 by Donald > > McPherson. > > Duncan's (gen #4) uncle Findley McPherson (gen#3) married Mary McNaughton, > > sister to Duncan's wife Jane McNaughton. > > My McPherson's end with Catherine who marries William Scott. > > Would love to hear if anyone has a connection....... > > > > Peggy > > > This really caught my attention because of the reference to Caledonia, NY, a > place I had not heard of before in connection with McPhersons, except in > relation to a "family legend" I heard from a distant cousin about "our" > McPhersons, about which more later. > > First, a little background on my lineage. > > My g-g-grandfather, Alexander MCPHERSON, came from Perthshire (according to > his gravestone in the abandoned Baptist graveyard in the hamlet of Tennyson, > Drummond Township, Lanark County, Ontario), but I don't know for certain > where in Perthshire. My grandfather maintained the family had come from > Aberfoyle in the west of Perthshire, but other evidence (a copy of a will of > a Peter Malloch and his wife, Susan McPherson, who may have been Alexander's > sister) suggests that the family came from the Tay Valley, maybe AberFELDY, > rather than AberFOYLE, as my grandfather remembered. > > It is not clear either exactly when Alexander arrived in Drummond Township. > There was an Alexander McPherson settled near what is now the town of Perth, > Ontario, in 1817, and some evidence suggests this was my g-g-grandfather. > What can be documented (from diaries kept by my g-grandfather) is that by > 1823, the family was settled on a farm near Carleton Place, Ontario, > specifically, Lot 26, Concession 5, Drummond County. > > My g-g-grandmother's name was Janet, but I have no idea what her maiden name > was, where she came from, or indeed if she and Alexander were married in > Scotland or after they arrived in Canada. From census records, she appears > to have been born, in Scotland, about 1785. There is no record of when she > died, nor of where she is buried, but death must have been in the 1870's, > since she appears in the 1871 census, but not in 1881. > > Alexander and Janet had two sons, John, who inherited the family farm, and > Alexander, my g-grandfather, who left home about 1843, got an education and > became a school teacher, ending up in Etobicoke Township, west of Toronto. > where my grandfather, John Alexander Llewellyn Macpherson, was born in 1859, > and where my father, Frederick Drummond Macpherson, and I, were subsequently > born and raised. > > Now, ("finally", you may say), my interest in Caledonia. A cousin of mine, > descended from my g-granduncle John, has in her possession, an old > lithograph, now almost unrecognizable due to multiple coats of varnish > applied to "protect" it, depicting what she remembers, as a child,was two > men in full Highland regalia, with a representation between them of Cluny > McPherson's coat of arms. Attached to one corner of the picture is a piece > of paper, to which is affixed a scap of cloth, which used to be dark green. > On the paper is the following handwritten text: > > "Piece of an Ancient McPherson banner carried in the wars of 1715 and 1745 > and presented to John MacPherson of Caledonia by the chief of his clan". > > No one in my family knows the significance of this picture and piece of > cloth, nor who John MacPherson was. Is it possible that the Caledonia > referred to is Caledonia, NY? I haven't been able to find a Caledonia in > Scotland, nor in Canada. I checked this story with the Clan Macpherson > genealogist, Alan Macpherson, of Memorial University in Newfoundland, some > years ago, and he was as baffled as I was. > > I would really appreciate any information any subscribers to the list might > be able to provide me with on any of the above. Any connections to other > lineages that you know of? > > Thanks, > Alec Macpherson. > > ______________________________

In a message dated 5/25/2002 11:02:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lloyd: I stand corrected. Yes, there were several others answering my inquiry, and I am very gratefull to each and every one of you. I now have a clearer picture of the location of Pine Dock Yours was the first I opened. Looking for Barbara Sutherland Matheson born 1791 Sutherland shire Scotland. Came to Canada on the Prince of Wales 1813 and married John Matheson in Red River 1 year later 1814. They left with the Nor'Westers in 1815 and settled first Gwillimbury, then Zorro and then Bruce County Ontario. I figure she may have lived with any of the Matheson children or grandchildren. The Matheson names you might encounter having Barbara live with them are: Jessee, Hugh, William, Daniel, Angus and John Matheson. Thank you for your help. Maggi sunny beautiful California > Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D Digest V02 #96 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Maggi; > There were two other replies to your querie on the SCOTS-IN-CANADA Digest > mode > (That's all I am subscribed to.) Bascially, they said that Pine Dock is a > community on the west-central shore of Lake Winnipeg in Manitoba. Bullhead > Bay is > the bay upon which Pine Dock is located. As I said, Matheson Island is > within > Lake Winnipeg a short distance north of Pine Dock. > > I am not terribly familiar with the census resources here in Manitoba since > all > of my research is elsewhere. However, if you can give me a couple of days, > I will > see what I can find for you at the local genealogical society office. In > the > meantime

Hi all: I've just subscribed to this list, after my PML criteria threw up at me the following message from Peggy: > Here is my McPherson lineage...... > > 1. Donald MacPherson abt 1701 - 1723 Kingussie, INV,SCT > +Mary Robertson abt 1711 - unk Kingussie, INV,SCT > children: > Malcolm chr 1725 Kingussie, INV,SCT > Elspet chr 22 Jun 1728 > 2. Duncan chr 6 Feb 1736 Kingussie, INV,SCT > d, 1807 Wheatland/Caledonia, NY > Original Elder of the First Presbyterian Church Of Caledonia (est 1805) > Listed on register of elders as having died on or before 1807 (dated 4 Mar > 1805 on sheet) > + Catherine Campbell abt 1748 Badenoch, INV, SCT, d. Caledonia, NY > married 29 Jan 1761 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > children: > Hanna b. INV, SCT > John chr 22 Jun 1762 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > Isobell chr 1 Aug 1764 Kingussie & Insch, INV, SCT > Alexander chr 21 Mar 1766 Kingussie & Insch, INV,SCT > Findlay b 1782 INV, SCT, d 1847 Mumford, NY > 3. Donald McPherson b 1770 INV, SCT, > d. 27 May 1846 buried in Mumford Cem, Genesee Co. ,NY > + Catherine Anderson b. 1784, d. 12 Sept 1818 Mumford Cem,NY > + Mary McMartin b. 1780, d. 8 Sept 1851 Mumford Cem, NY > children: > Catherine prob SCT > Eleanor prob SCT > John prob SCT > Alexander b. 1801 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > Donald b. 1806 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > 4. Duncan b. 22 Nov 1799 Churchville, Monroe Co., NY > d, 8 Feb 1879 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN > + Jane McNaughton b. 4 Feb 1800 Glenlyon, Perthshire, SCT > (chr at Fortingall, Perthshire) > d. 12 Jan 1871 & buried Paris Plains, Brant Co., Ont, CAN > children: > Jane Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > (5.) Catherine b. 24 Sept 1822 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > d. Nov 1875 & buried Ayr, Waterloo Co., ONT > + William Scott > Margaret b. 1824 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Elizabeth b. 1827 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Daniel b. 1829 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Mary b. 1832 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Malcolm b. 1834 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > Ellen b. 1839 Paris, Brant co., ONT CAN > > Generation #2 Duncan came with other McPhersons and Scots from the Badenoch > area (Newtonmore, Kingussie, etc) to settle the Oatka River valley in > Monroe Co. NY (now Genesee Co.). Duncan's grave is nonexistant at this > time. I believe he was probably buried in Caledonia Presbyterian Cem as he > was a founding elder. All others are buried in Mumford cem down the road. > Duncan's daughter married Black Alex McPherson's son tying the two founding > McPherson families together. They may be already a connection between the > two but I haven't confirmed it yet. Black Alex of Crubinbeg, INV's lineage > is in the book The Mcpherson's of Genesee Country, Vols 1 & 2 by Donald > McPherson. > Duncan's (gen #4) uncle Findley McPherson (gen#3) married Mary McNaughton, > sister to Duncan's wife Jane McNaughton. > My McPherson's end with Catherine who marries William Scott. > Would love to hear if anyone has a connection....... > > Peggy > This really caught my attention because of the reference to Caledonia, NY, a place I had not heard of before in connection with McPhersons, except in relation to a "family legend" I heard from a distant cousin about "our" McPhersons, about which more later. First, a little background on my lineage. My g-g-grandfather, Alexander MCPHERSON, came from Perthshire (according to his gravestone in the abandoned Baptist graveyard in the hamlet of Tennyson, Drummond Township, Lanark County, Ontario), but I don't know for certain where in Perthshire. My grandfather maintained the family had come from Aberfoyle in the west of Perthshire, but other evidence (a copy of a will of a Peter Malloch and his wife, Susan McPherson, who may have been Alexander's sister) suggests that the family came from the Tay Valley, maybe AberFELDY, rather than AberFOYLE, as my grandfather remembered. It is not clear either exactly when Alexander arrived in Drummond Township. There was an Alexander McPherson settled near what is now the town of Perth, Ontario, in 1817, and some evidence suggests this was my g-g-grandfather. What can be documented (from diaries kept by my g-grandfather) is that by 1823, the family was settled on a farm near Carleton Place, Ontario, specifically, Lot 26, Concession 5, Drummond County. My g-g-grandmother's name was Janet, but I have no idea what her maiden name was, where she came from, or indeed if she and Alexander were married in Scotland or after they arrived in Canada. From census records, she appears to have been born, in Scotland, about 1785. There is no record of when she died, nor of where she is buried, but death must have been in the 1870's, since she appears in the 1871 census, but not in 1881. Alexander and Janet had two sons, John, who inherited the family farm, and Alexander, my g-grandfather, who left home about 1843, got an education and became a school teacher, ending up in Etobicoke Township, west of Toronto. where my grandfather, John Alexander Llewellyn Macpherson, was born in 1859, and where my father, Frederick Drummond Macpherson, and I, were subsequently born and raised. Now, ("finally", you may say), my interest in Caledonia. A cousin of mine, descended from my g-granduncle John, has in her possession, an old lithograph, now almost unrecognizable due to multiple coats of varnish applied to "protect" it, depicting what she remembers, as a child,was two men in full Highland regalia, with a representation between them of Cluny McPherson's coat of arms. Attached to one corner of the picture is a piece of paper, to which is affixed a scap of cloth, which used to be dark green. On the paper is the following handwritten text: "Piece of an Ancient McPherson banner carried in the wars of 1715 and 1745 and presented to John MacPherson of Caledonia by the chief of his clan". No one in my family knows the significance of this picture and piece of cloth, nor who John MacPherson was. Is it possible that the Caledonia referred to is Caledonia, NY? I haven't been able to find a Caledonia in Scotland, nor in Canada. I checked this story with the Clan Macpherson genealogist, Alan Macpherson, of Memorial University in Newfoundland, some years ago, and he was as baffled as I was. I would really appreciate any information any subscribers to the list might be able to provide me with on any of the above. Any connections to other lineages that you know of? Thanks, Alec Macpherson.

Maggi; There were two other replies to your querie on the SCOTS-IN-CANADA Digest mode (That's all I am subscribed to.) Bascially, they said that Pine Dock is a community on the west-central shore of Lake Winnipeg in Manitoba. Bullhead Bay is the bay upon which Pine Dock is located. As I said, Matheson Island is within Lake Winnipeg a short distance north of Pine Dock. I am not terribly familiar with the census resources here in Manitoba since all of my research is elsewhere. However, if you can give me a couple of days, I will see what I can find for you at the local genealogical society office. In the meantime, perhaps some other kind soul will come forward who is more helpful than I. Later; Lloyd Crooks [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 96 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [SCTCDN] Re: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D Dig [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the subject line and in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. > Also, please use a fresh email to do so. > > To contact the SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SCTCDN] Re: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D Digest V02 #95 > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:50:04 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > In a message dated 5/23/2002 2:03:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Lloyd: Yours is the first reply I have received regarding these names. > Lake Matheson was once called Black Bear Lake. The name Lake Matheson is for > Daniel Matheson grandson of Barbara Sutherland and John Matheson son of Hugh > Matheson. Daniel was apparently a "very colorful person who traded with the > Indians and was a fisherman on this Island. > I am looking for Barbara his grandmother. Her husband died in 1866 in Ontario > and she disappears from the Church records in May 1870. > Would you know how I could have someone search the 1871 Census for Manitoba? > Barbara may have been with one of her sons at Pine Dock. > Thanks so much for your reply. > Maggi > aggi; > > > > In addition to what others have told you, there is also a Matheson > > Island in Lake Winnipeg, not too far from Pine Dock. > > > > Lloyd Crooks > >

In a message dated 5/23/2002 2:03:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lloyd: Yours is the first reply I have received regarding these names. Lake Matheson was once called Black Bear Lake. The name Lake Matheson is for Daniel Matheson grandson of Barbara Sutherland and John Matheson son of Hugh Matheson. Daniel was apparently a "very colorful person who traded with the Indians and was a fisherman on this Island. I am looking for Barbara his grandmother. Her husband died in 1866 in Ontario and she disappears from the Church records in May 1870. Would you know how I could have someone search the 1871 Census for Manitoba? Barbara may have been with one of her sons at Pine Dock. Thanks so much for your reply. Maggi aggi; > > In addition to what others have told you, there is also a Matheson > Island in Lake Winnipeg, not too far from Pine Dock. > > Lloyd Crooks >

Here is the missing website: http://historyniagara.niagara.com/Marshall/MHTMLFolder/fams.htm Regards, Bob in Toronto --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/02

Maggi; In addition to what others have told you, there is also a Matheson Island in Lake Winnipeg, not too far from Pine Dock. Lloyd Crooks Winnipeg

Hi Bob What site. I have family from that area. Butler, Crooks, and Johnson Sheila Behan Bob Carswell wrote: > For anyone searching families in Niagara on the Lake this is an excellent site for Family information on the townfolks. > Bob in Toronto > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/21/02 > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

For anyone searching families in Niagara on the Lake this is an excellent site for Family information on the townfolks. Bob in Toronto --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/21/02

Have scanned and am virus free. E-mail is scanned by Norton before going out. Could the people who answered my plea for help on handling whether to let the 5 year old know the truth about the suicide resend their replies. I wanted to show the childs other family all the answers and I didn't copy them. Wouldn't you know my internet provider had a problem and we had to close the program and start new. I lost many valuable messages..Child's other side of family said they will be furious if we tell him his father hung himself when he asks. (By the way 10 people answered and all gave similar replies of why he should be truthfully answered yes that he did hang himself - because the cat is out of the bag evidentally) Not one person said no don't tell. Would appreciate if anyone has their answers in their sent box to send them again to me. My son who lives a little distance away lost all his e-mails too! Is this a coincidence when we use the same provider? We got messages saying "Can't retrieve e-mails" from ISP. I think this message we tried to open was a virus. I had much valuable genealogy saved in e-mails like census, links to family, etc. Now I know, to save on disk anything important or at least copy it. Thanks list. Betsy

Since I receive the digest form of the mailing list I don't know if this has been answered. If not here's the information. Census Place: Wallace, Perth North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375908 NAC C-13272 Dist 172 SubDist G Div 2 Page 4 Family 17 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Ths GUMMERSON M M 79 English England Occ: Farmer Religion: Church of England Sarah GUMMERSON F M 53 English Ireland Religion: Church of England Matildah GUMMERSON F 19 English Ontario Religion: Church of England William GUMMERSON M 22 English Ireland Occ: Farmer Religion: Church of England

Hi Maggi: I believe both places are in Manitoba. Pine Dock is located on the west side of where Lake Winnipeg narrows. Big Bullhead Bay is the bay upon which Pine Dock is located. Little Bullhead is just north of Pine Dock. I don't know if there is a village left at Little Bullhead now. Someone on the Rootsweb list for Manitoba might be able to help. A good site for locating places in Canada is: http://GeoNames.NRCan.gc.ca/english/cgndb.html Regards, Ann

Hi, Would SKS try looking up Thomas Gummerson for me. Approximate age 84 in 1881 living in Perth county, Wallace township. I am trying this from another angle, so hopefully will have some results. Thank you Barb

Greetings All. My apologies once again for the length of this posting. In the 12 years that I have been coming to Calgary to visit my son and his family, I have managed only once to be here when it did not snow, regardless of the time of year that I was visiting. This trip has not been an exception as on waking up this morning the ground was white. I have had a good reaction to my posting of 18 May 2002 that suggested everyone interested in regaining public access to Post 1901 Census records send Access to Information Requests to Statistics Canada and the National Archives seeking access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba). All responses I have had to that posting have been positive. It appears, however, because of some questions asked that some clarification is needed. The reason for making these requests is that Justice Canada lawyers, in their cross-examination of plaintiffs in our Application for Judicial Review, have concentrated their questions on whether or not ATI Requests have been submitted to Statistics Canada and the National Archives for the 1906 Census, and if so, have complaints been submitted to the Information Commissioner when those requests were refused. The impression given by this is that anyone seeking information from these records should be doing so through Access to Information Requests. We wish to accomodate the Justice Canada lawyers by making the requests they seem to think we should be making. The legislation specifies that to be eligible to make a request under Access to Information you must be a resident of Canada. ATI requests may be directed to either Statistics Canada or the National Archives. Preferably both. Each department handles their own ATI requests. As such, each must receive an original request -- not a copy of one sent to the other department. They may, however, be worded similarly. Addresses to send them to are shown below. Each request must be accompanied by a check for $5.00 made out to 'The Receiver General of Canada'. Requests may be made simply by letter, or by using an Access to Information Request form downloadable from http://infosource.gc.ca/Info_4/atip/Request-Frms_e.html Your message need not be lengthy. Say something like the following: "As a family historian and genealogist I have a requirement to view and obtain information regarding my ancestors from Historic Census Records. The Privacy Act of Canada, and Regulations attached thereto, provide that information from Census may be made available to any person or body, for purposes of research, 92 years after collection. This message is to be considered my Request, under the Access to Information Act, for access to schedules of the 1906 Special Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba). Thank you." Adjust the wording to suit your personal circumstance, but be specific about needing to view the records for the 1906 Census. There is no requirement in the legislation to specify a reason for making an ATI request. At this time we are seeking general, not specific, access to the 1906 Census, so your request should not seek access to any specific individual or family. If you specify an individual name you are likely to be advised how to make a 'Census Pensions Search' at a cost of about $48.00. Because we are seeking general access to the records you need not actually have an individual or family from Alberta, Saskatchewan or Manitoba to make this request. The legislation specifies that you are required by law to receive a response within thirty days of receipt for any ATI Request submitted. Some readers may be deterred by the requirement for submitting a $5.00 check with each request. We expect each and every request for access to the 1906 Census to be denied. My own experience with a denied request was that my check was returned with that denial. My expectation is that with the refusal of our requests, all checks will be returned. I cannot, however, guarantee that this will happen. On receiving a refusal of your request for access to the 1906 Census, a complaint regarding that refusal should be sent to the Information Commission (address below). That complaint should make reference to the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records, and to a legal opinion of Ann Chaplin of Justice Canada in August 2000. I will post further information regarding this later. It is our hope that those seeking access to Historical Census records will flood Statistics Canada and the National Archives with ATI requests for the 1906 Census. The addresses to send these requests to are: Statistics Canada ATIP Co-ordinator, Pamela White R.H. Coats Building, 25th Floor Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0T6 National Archives of Canada ATIP Co-ordinator, Bill Wood 395 Wellington Street, Room 349 Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N3 So that we might be able to have some idea of how many ATI requests are made for the 1906 records I ask that you send me a copy of your Request. These may be sent to me by attachment to an email, by fax at (604) 942-6843, or by snail mail to Gordon A. Watts 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Thank you again for your continued support. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Hello Maggi, I don't know if this is the right place but it sounds like it could be the one: http://www.gov.mb.ca/tgs/map/map5.pdf There is a Pine Dock in Manitoba on Lake Winnipeg. It is also known as Bullhead on navigation maps according to the pdf file from the Manitoba gov't. Rob Offer [email protected] wrote: > Could someone on the list tell me where this place is located in Canada. > Bull Head Harbor/Pine Dock My Sutherland and Matheson families were reported > to have moved to this location after a disastrous fire in Bruce County. About > 1870. > Maggi California > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Could someone on the list tell me where this place is located in Canada. Bull Head Harbor/Pine Dock My Sutherland and Matheson families were reported to have moved to this location after a disastrous fire in Bruce County. About 1870. Maggi California