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    1. [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Canadas Census & Kudos to Gordon Watts et al
    2. Michael Servetus
    3. Norma, I think you've said (clearly and effectively) what many of us would like to have said --- but did not, for fear of further smoking up the scene. There are all kinds of people out there in cyberspace and we can expect to get some ignorant ones on the genealogy lists too (THOUGH THIS ONE TOOK THE CAKE<G>) In truth I HAVE found this particular list to be quite unfocussed (with moderator sponsored fluff like "how long have you been involved in genealogy"???<G>) but the Census fight update was COMPLETELY relevant and, I'd have thought, of vital interest to anyone working in the field. As you pointed out, the flamers were obviously NOT genealogists, were on the wrong list and were simply ( and humorously) rude. What was amazing to me was how concerned some folks seemed to get --- and the ludicrous suggestion that the fight over Canadas bureaucratic power-grab on census data, was a political issue that might be considered as seperate and distinct from genealogy --- and not appropriate for this list. Thanks for an excellent review. Stuart Grant (Point Roberts, WA --- Searching ships records for Scotland to Canada 1906-08) WHITE; MacPHERSON; SHAW; ROBERTSON; STUART; GRANT --- all Braes of Glenlivet --------------------------------------------------------I X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:51:01 -0400 From: Norma Brown <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <B8E79308.18A40%[email protected]> Subject: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Re Corinne and our census fight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For those who wish, hit the delete button now! I think Corinne, on behalf of herself, said it all in the following message ( dated 14 Apr 2002) retrieved from the archives for the [email protected] list. "Understanding" is not one of her big accomplishments. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:23:33 -0700 From: Corinne Freethy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Please help Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Listers Please understand that when tell you that i don't know or understand anything about studying the following Census, Church and Vital records Etc, i mean it. ____________________________ Her letter is a very sad commentary on her own lack of understanding of genealogical records. If the genealogy community and other interested groups do not unite in the 1906 and 1911 census-fight then we may never see another census released. Then where will Corinne be? I have the feeling that if someone could "give" Corinne her family tree, back to Adam and Eve, then she would be a happy camper and perhaps would really do what she promised earlier today---- > I'm really getting tired of these messages so as of right now i'm unsubbing > from the SCOTS-IN-CANADA mailing list, i really find it a waste of time and > don't have time to read such messages from gordon, Please do not reply to > my message thanks i am trying to keep my email box from being flooded. To those who think that a once-a-week memo on the subject of the census debate would be enough then you don't understand the way the parliamentary system works. When things start moving on Parliament Hill then they do take off quickly. Hard to believe but true! If the constituents (in this case the genealogists and other interested groups) do not continue to express a strong interest in the release of the 1906 and 1911 census returns then Stats Canada will continue to be in control. The chief statistician has taken a stand which he is not going to willingly back down from.... even though he and his organization are breaking the law! It will take a directive from Parliament to get Stats Canada to pass the already microfilmed 1906 census to the National Archives. Just remember that a few years ago it was the plan of Stats Canada to destroy the 1906 and maybe also the 1911 census returns. This census fight has probably generated more mail from Canadians and others than any other subject that our Members of Parliament and Senators have ever encountered. We owe it to ourselves and future generations to keep our messages in front of the MPs and Senators. Thank you to Gordon Watts and the hard-working census group. Have learned much about access to freedom requests and non-votable private member bills. Also to Global Genealogy and its support. And to Dennis, thank you for your masterfully crafted message earlier today. Norma --------------------------------------------- ______________________________

    06/21/2002 11:45:19
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- First day of summer!
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. My apologies for reposting this message. I made an error in providing the link to my last column. I have corrected that. here. GAW Greetings All. As I write this it is the first day of summer - the longest day of the year. It is all downhill from this point on. It is also the day the Parliament of Canada is scheduled to adjourn for the summer recess. According to the Parliamentary Calendar our representatives will not return until Monday 16 September 2002. It had been hoped that by this time we would have had a resolution to our efforts to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. It appears that this was not destined to happen and our efforts must continue. At this time, those efforts should include the following: -- Circulate and sign petitions (downloadable from the Post 1901 Census Project website). Summer barbeques and family gatherings are good places to do this. -- Write letters to our own MPs and Senators. Check the Scoreboards for their current position before writing. -- Make an appointment to visit your MP in their constituency office and seek their support in person. -- Send Access to Information Requests to Statistics Canada for general access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta) -- On receiving a refusal for that access request, submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner. -- Send a letter to the Privacy Commissioner protesting his opposition to Bill S-12 and public access to these vital records. Do not accept his assertions that the 'compromise solution' promoted by Statistics Canada is a satisfactory resolution to the problem. In a previous posting, and in my last column I provided addresses to send ATI requests, complaints to the Information Commissioner, and letters to the Privacy Commissioner. Rather than repeat those here, that column may be accessed at http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

    06/21/2002 04:28:25
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- First day of summer!
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. As I write this it is the first day of summer - the longest day of the year. It is all downhill from this point on. It is also the day the Parliament of Canada is scheduled to adjourn for the summer recess. According to the Parliamentary Calendar our representatives will not return until Monday 16 September 2002. It had been hoped that by this time we would have had a resolution to our efforts to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. It appears that this was not destined to happen and our efforts must continue. At this time, those efforts should include the following: -- Circulate and sign petitions (downloadable from the Post 1901 Census Project website). Summer barbeques and family gatherings are good places to do this. -- Write letters to our own MPs and Senators. Check the Scoreboards for their current position before writing. -- Make an appointment to visit your MP in their constituency office and seek their support in person. -- Send Access to Information Requests to Statistics Canada for general access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta) -- On receiving a refusal for that access request, submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner. -- Send a letter to the Privacy Commissioner protesting his opposition to Bill S-12 and public access to these vital records. Do not accept his assertions that the 'compromise solution' promoted by Statistics Canada is a satisfactory resolution to the problem. In a previous posting, and in my last column I provided addresses to send ATI requests, complaints to the Information Commissioner, and letters to the Privacy Commissioner. Rather than repeat those here, that column may be accessed by clicking <a href=http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm> here </a>. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

    06/21/2002 04:13:48
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census - re: CBC News article.
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. Since my original post this morning (Are records now available???) regarding the CBC News article about the online census database a number of listers have written protesting a project that does not give us what we seek, i.e. access to individually identifiable records of Census. Perhaps those with complaints did not see my subsequent post with the clarification I received from Professor Gaffield. Perhaps they did. In any case, further clarification may be needed. The article itself is, in my opinion, somewhat misleading and has led to some misunderstanding. The opening sentence indicates, without actually so stating, that the Census records themselves will be placed on line for all to see. That indication was reinforced by the caption under the picture referring to records from 1911 to 1951 being added to existing databases. Under current circumstances, this is not going to happen. I support this project. It is not something new, but a continuation of research that has been done by historians using records of Census up to 1901. As I understand it, the researchers will not see the original schedules with names on them, or if they do, they are not permitted to divulge the identities of anyone found on them. They do not have access to all records, but to a 5% sampling of them. It is difficult to visualize how nameless records would be of much value to genealogists, however the aggregate information is of great value to historians, sociologists and others. During our campaign to regain public access to Historic Census records we have had a great deal of support from historians. In fact, there is evidence of historians fighting to regain access before many genealogists, including myself, became aware of the problem. As historians have supported us in our quest, I feel we should support them in this project, or at least not protest against it. Some have complained about the $14 million cost of this project. For those of us on fixed incomes in particular, $14 million is a lot of money. But look at it another way. $14 million over four years, divided by more than 32 million people in Canada is about ten cents per person per year, or about one-quarter the average cost of a single cup of coffee. We will keep fighting until we get the access to name-identified records we seek. Hopefully that will happen sooner, rather than later. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

    06/17/2002 02:00:31
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- Too good to be true
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greeting All. Subsequent to my last message regarding the CBC News article, I have received a response from Professor Chad Gaffield, team leader of the project referred to in the article. This is what he had to say. "The Canadian Century Research Infrastructure project will creat StatsCan-like microdata samples for the 20th century enumerations that have not yet been done. Our more recent accomplishment was the 1901 Canadian Families Project 5% sample, and we are building on this work and collaborating with StatsCan so that we will be able to study Canadian society continuously, not at the level of individuals, of course, but in the same way that researchers now study late 20th century censuses. As you can see, this work is unrelated to the 92-year question since our files will not have names." It would appear that any thoughts of release of name-identifiable records at this time are not a reflection of the reality. This is one example of the reason for not taking everything we read, such as the caption on the photograph in the article, as verbatim. We can frequently read into such references much more than was intended. I am advised there is still a possibility of some kind of announcement re: access to Census records following the Cabinet meeting on Wednesday. I have been unable to find any clue to what such an announcement will be, if it is forthcoming. Any announcement short of providing unrestricted access to Post 1901 Census records, on the same basis as access is currently available for those records up to and including 1901, will mean that our campaign will continue. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

    06/17/2002 04:13:19
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census -- Are records now available???
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. The following article from CBC News is available online at http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/06/14/online_census020614 There is also a link to an audio new article regarding this. I find particularly interesting the reference in the caption to a photograph about records from 1911 to 1951. Has the government quietly made these records available without any announcement? I am trying to obtain further clarification through Senator Milne's office, and from Chad Gaffield, team leader of this project. Rest assured I will let you know anything I can find out about this. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. Online census database to offer link to Canada's past Last Updated Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:01:20 OTTAWA - Universities across the country are working on putting a century of Canadian census records on the Internet for everyone to access. Handwritten census records are stored in the basement of a Statistics Canada building and will have to be deciphered before the information can be included in the national online database. Census records from 1911 to 1951 would be added to existing databases (Note - This line was a caption to a photograph that accompanied the article - GAW) "It'll be easily usable by any number of practitioners from genealogists to historians to sociologists to economists," said historian Peter Baskerville of the University of Victoria, one of the researchers on the project. It's expected it will take the researchers at seven Canadian universities - Ottawa, Memorial, Laval, Université du Québec à Trois Rivières, York, Toronto and Victoria - four years to complete the bilingual database. Chad Gaffield is the head of Canadian Studies at the University of Ottawa and team leader for the estimated $14-million project, one of the largest-ever social science research initiatives. He said researchers have already made some interesting discoveries from the census data. "We found that in 1901, there were roughly the same proportion of single parent families in Canada as today," said Gaffield. "So what's happening through our research projects is that we're really rethinking a lot of what we considered unprecedented phenomena." The census project is part of an international collaboration that Gaffield said will give Canada a solid foundation upon which to debate the nature of social change. Written by CBC News Online staff

    06/17/2002 03:36:01
    1. Re: [SCTCDN] City Directories-Libraries
    2. andrew Harkness
    3. Hi Robina, yes Canborough is in the County of Brant-Haldimand, borders on the Niagara Peninsula. The libraries here would have very limited resourses. Larger towns would include Dunnville, Calidonia, Cayuga and Hamilton. I live in this area and perhaps I could help further? Andrew Harkness Robina Sneddon wrote: > Hi there, > > I have found that Canborough is a township in the County of > Haldibrand, is anyone > able to tell me do all public libraries have the city directories, I > have been told it is only > the larger libraries that have them. If this is correct, would the > closest of the larger libraries be the Hamilton Public Library. > > Robina, Bris. Aus > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the > word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using > a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    06/16/2002 05:50:57
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census - letter of complaint re: National Archives
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. As a result of my previous request that all seeking access to Post 1901 Census records submit Access To Iinformation requests for the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces to Statistics Canada and the National Archives, many have now received notice that the National Archives does not hold the 1906 records, and that their $5.00 fee will be returned. This was the first phase of this tactic. The second phase is to submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner regarding the refusal/inability of the Archives to provide the records requested. I copy below a suggested letter of complaint to the Information Commissioner of Canada. Unlike the ATI Requests, there is no fee required to submit such a complaint. As with the ATI requests, I would ask that copies of your complaint be sent to me by email attachment, fax to 604-942-6843, or snail mail to Gordon A. Watts 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 In the letter below, those items within the square brackets should be substituted by the information suggested, i.e. the date, whether your notice of refusal was by telephone, or by letter, and your signature and mailing address. A suggested letter of complaint for Statistics Canada will be posted as soon as I see one of their responses. It is felt that the ATI Requests to the National Archives have probably served their purpose and no further requests need be send there. Requests to Statistics Canada, however, are a different story. ATI Requests to Statistics Canada for access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces should be continued. Thanks to all for your continued support. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Mr. John Reid Information Commissioner of Canada Place de Ville, Tower B 112 Kent Street, 22nd Floor Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1H3 Dear Sir; On [date] I forwarded an Access to Information Request to the National Archives of Canada. With this request I sought general access to schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces of Canada (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta). On [date] I was advised by [letter/telephone] that the National Archives did not have custody of these records and the $5.00 fee that was included with my ATI request would be refunded. Mr. Commissioner, clauses in Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census for 1906 (and other years) clearly state that records of Census "have value as a record for historical use" (Clause 20) and that "The census is intended to be a permanent record, and its schedules will be stored in the Archives of the Dominion." (Clause 34). Further, clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Regulation 6(d) of the Privacy Act specifically provide for access to personal information from Census, to any person or body, for purposes of research, 92 years following collection. The National Archives of Canada Act provides that the National Archivist of Canada shall determine what records of government have historical and archival value, and that shall be deposited in the National Archives. The National Archivist has determined that Census records do have historical and archival value, and that they are, in fact, a National Treasure. The pertinent legislation and regulations clearly state that I should have unrestricted access, through the National Archives, to nominal schedules of Census 92 years after collection. Records of the 1906 Census should have been available from 1998, now four years past. This letter is to be considered my official complaint regarding the refusal, or inability, of the National Archives of Canada to provide access to schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces as per the applicable legislation and regulations. Thank you. [Signature and address]

    06/16/2002 05:18:15
    1. Re: [SCTCDN] City Directories-Libraries
    2. Robina Sneddon
    3. Hi Mike, Thanks for the info, looks like this will be helpful. Robina, Bris.Aus. At 08:34 AM 14/06/02 -0400, Mike wrote: >Robina - > >Is this what you are looking for? > >Canborough, Canborough Township, Haldimand County (Currently Exists) >Canborough Township, Haldimand County (Currently Exists) Part of the >town of Dunnville > >Here is a link to a site that has a county map from 1861 >http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/SearchMapframes.php > >And here is a link to a genealogy site about Haldimand County >http://www.rootsweb.com/~onhaldmi/index.htm > >As far as using city directories - I have found that the small town >libraries will have only their town directories. The larger cities >(Dunville is the largest in Haldimand County) will have a larger >collection. > >Hamilton Public Library might have directories for Haldimand County on >microfilm. Here is a link to their web site. > >Good hunting > > >Mike Cioci >Ontario, Canada > > >==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word >unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh >email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

    06/16/2002 04:44:27
    1. [SCTCDN] 1901 census - Gov. Gen. Earl of Minto
    2. Karen & Bruce Pelton
    3. In going through the 1901 census images, I have just found the Governor General, the Earl of Minto. I thought that this might be of interest to some listers. To find the image, from the 1901 Census search page (http://www.archives.ca/02/02012202_e.html): - check the box beside Ontario - enter New Edinburgh in the Geographic location box - click Submit Query This should return a listing of 4 entries. Under entry 2, select image 20. The Earl of Minto and his household are listed at the top of that page. These are the references: Province/Territory: Ontario District Name: RUSSELL District Number: 112 Sub-district Name: New Edinburgh Sub-district Number: f-1 Schedule: 1 Notes: Ottawa (City/Cité) Rideau (Ward/Quartier) Reference: RG31 , Statistics Canada Microfilm Reel Number: T-6495 Finding Aid Number: 31-40 Best regards, Karen Pelton Kemptville, Ont.

    06/16/2002 09:04:15
    1. [SCTCDN] SCTCDN - Goodlet
    2. J/P Colongard
    3. There was a message a short time ago with a mention of a Goodlet family in the Vancouver, B.C. area. If there was a 'Nelly' Goodlet in this family probably from the Orkney Islands, please get in touch with me. I found her name in my aunts address book after she passed away last year. Thanks, Pat.

    06/15/2002 08:25:27
    1. [SCTCDN] Lambton County
    2. Louis W Lavorgna
    3. Does SKS have a book entitled "Lambton County Marriages: Marriage Registrations for Lambton County, Ontario from 1869 to 1873" (it's compiled by Jeff Stewart & Sherilyn Bell and put out by Winfield Publishing) and would be willing to do a lookup for me? MANY thanks, if you do! Rita Lavorgna Fort Myers, Florida ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

    06/15/2002 07:46:37
    1. [SCTCDN] City Directories-Libraries
    2. Robina Sneddon
    3. Hi there, I have found that Canborough is a township in the County of Haldibrand, is anyone able to tell me do all public libraries have the city directories, I have been told it is only the larger libraries that have them. If this is correct, would the closest of the larger libraries be the Hamilton Public Library. Robina, Bris. Aus

    06/14/2002 01:38:13
    1. [SCTCDN] MAILBOXES
    2. David M Paterson
    3. At the risk of boring everyone, I have to address the matter of emails. Unfortunately, the ones this may really apply to won't get it. Reason? MAILBOXES FULL!!! For those that do read this, please make sure you keep adequate space available or miss out on List Mail and whatever else. Bouncing messages for this reason and also incorrect/faulty addresses are the bane of an Admin's Life! Please help. Thanks. David. This email was scanned with Norton Anti Virus 2002.

    06/14/2002 03:44:48
    1. Re: [SCTCDN] City Directories-Libraries
    2. Mike
    3. Forgot the Hamilton Library link. Here it is: http://206.130.179.62/index.shtml Mike Cioci Ontario, Canada

    06/14/2002 02:41:33
    1. Re: [SCTCDN] City Directories-Libraries
    2. Mike
    3. Robina - Is this what you are looking for? Canborough, Canborough Township, Haldimand County (Currently Exists) Canborough Township, Haldimand County (Currently Exists) Part of the town of Dunnville Here is a link to a site that has a county map from 1861 http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/SearchMapframes.php And here is a link to a genealogy site about Haldimand County http://www.rootsweb.com/~onhaldmi/index.htm As far as using city directories - I have found that the small town libraries will have only their town directories. The larger cities (Dunville is the largest in Haldimand County) will have a larger collection. Hamilton Public Library might have directories for Haldimand County on microfilm. Here is a link to their web site. Good hunting Mike Cioci Ontario, Canada

    06/14/2002 02:34:35
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census - correction to last post.
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. Subsequent to my last message just posted I received a message from Bill Hancock, Editor of the Humboldt Journal. He advised that while they have a website, they are not currently posting articles to it. He has advised that he will send me a copy of the article(s) he writes which I will be free to post. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

    06/13/2002 02:54:51
    1. [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census - another interview
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. A short time ago I had an extensive telephone interview with Wm. L. (Bill) Hancock, M.A., Editor, Humboldt Journal, of Humboldt, Saskatchewan. Those having access to the Humbolt Journal should watch for an article about the Post 1901 Census issue. It is a weekly publication, issued each Thursday. The Humboldt Journal is online at http://www.sasknews.com/papers/headlines-humboldt.shtml?pfl=headlines.pa ram Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

    06/13/2002 02:44:18
    1. [SCTCDN] Fw: [UPP-CAN] New Project: Selkirkshire 1841 Free Census
    2. Joan & Wayne
    3. Here is something from another mailing list I think will interest researchers looking for Scottish ancestors. JDW Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:19 AM Subject: [UPP-CAN] New Project: Selkirkshire 1841 Free Census > I am excited to announce the launch of the Selkirkshire > Free Census project. This is part of the larger UK Free > Census Project - an Internet-based 'free-to-view' database > that will enable researchers to view details of UK Censuses > between the years 1841 and 1891, especially the ability to > search by surname across census years and counties. I am > the county coordinator and am sending out an appeal for > transcribers for all Selkirkshire parishes. As you know, > Selkirkshire is a small county, and only 5 parishes of the > 1841 survive. > > All you need to take part, is a computer and access to a > microfilm or microfiche reader. We supply everything else > including the film/fiche and the software. This project is a > global on-line venture designed for ordinary family historians > wherever they are, who would like to make a contribution to > our great hobby. > > If you are interested in learning more, please > contact me, Valorie Zimmerman, at [email protected] > > The UK FreeCEN project: http://freecen.rootsweb.com > The Scotland FreeCEN project: > http://www.speakeasy.org/~jgribble/scotland.html > > Thank you, > > Valorie Cowan Zimmerman > Selkirkshire Coordinator > Black Diamond, Washington USA > http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Selkirk-1841-FreeCen/ > > > ==== UPPER-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Try the online INDEXES to the Upper Canada (Ontario) > Surrogate and Probate Court records for 1793-1858 at > http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/interloan/c-efile.htm > >

    06/13/2002 02:41:48
    1. Re: [SCTCDN] DUFF
    2. rhynes
    3. please unsubscribe me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syriste of Burnaby" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] DUFF > That would be The St. Lawrence River! > Regards > Daphne in Beautiful Burnaby > > > > The spelling is Longueil and it is on the south shore of the St. larence > > River, south of Montreal > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:15 AM > > Subject: [SCTCDN] DUFF > > > > > > > Off JOHN DUFF 's Attestation Paper his Mother address was Gentilly {Rona > > or > > > Anna} > > > Longuice Que. Does any anyone know the place? It was around Montreal I > > > believe. > > > JOHN DUFF b/Glasgow,Scotland came to Canada via ship about 1910. > Married > > > Helen [Nellie] Gray, place? Had five children: > > > JOHN DUFF b/ Montreal, Que- > > > JAMES DUFF > > > MARGARET HELEN DUFF > > > JEAN DUFF > > > ROSS DUFF > > > I' m trying to piece together the place they lived. This was in 1916. > > > Thank you, > > > Sandra [ DUFF] McFall > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the > word > > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word > unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh > email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: [email protected] inserting the word unsubscribe in both the subject line and the text area and using a fresh email to do it. Use -D- if you are in Digest mode. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

    06/12/2002 01:05:11