The above families who are all inter-related emigrated together and settled around New Glasgow Terrebonne Quebec around 1837.Later they spread across North America. Alexander Archibald b 12 nov 1799 at Huntly died 6 April 1881 at New Glasgow married Helen(Ellen) Troup at Huntly 20 Dec 1823.She died aged 81 -29 Oct 1878 at New Glasgow. They had at least four children:Margaret b 11 Oct 1824,John b 24 Mar 1827 and Isobel b 25 b Jun 1830 all at Huntly William b 15 Jun 1842 at New Glasgow married Marion Morrison 4 Jul 1865 at New Glasgow Alexander's half brother James Dey b 3 May 1805 d 2 Jun 1874 married Isabella Cruickshank at Huntly 1829.There were 17 children some born in Huntly most born in New Glasgow I am a descendant of Alexander Archibald's brother John and have been tracing the Archibald line with some success.I have received significant data on the Dey line from their descendants I suspect that many of my ancestors who went missing throughout the 19th century followed their relatives to North America and I am interested to find out what happened to all of them I will be happy to share information Sandy Archibald Edinburgh

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Greetings All. FYI Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ======================================= Take control of bureaucracy Editorial Humboldt Journal June 20, 2002 By Bill Hancock [email protected] Almost everyone has a family member who keeps track of the family tree. Perhaps it is an elderly aunt, perhaps a younger person, but without exception there is always someone who seems to know almost everything about past relatives - where they came from, what they did, how many kids they had, what they did for a living, even how many cows they owned. Occasionally a person discovers that some previously forgotten family member was a bit of a troublemaker, like one rural family who found they were related to Pretty Boy Floyd, the notorious gangster. It was a source of entertainment for the family for years and it provided the occasional comedic moment whenever someone feared one of the kids might end up the same way if he didn't learn to drive a little slower. Good or bad news for families looking into their pasts, the point is that the information was important to them and there is no logical reason why anyone would want to intentionally prevent them from finding it. That's precisely what's happening, however. During the course of talking recently with Humboldt citizens who are descendants of British Home Children, a point was brought up that efforts to research their own families was being hampered by Canada's Chief Statistician, Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi, who refuses to release post-1901 Census information on the excuse that a promise was made never to release or reveal any of the information collected. There's just one small problem - through court actions and committee testimony, no evidence has been presented that a promise was ever made. That apparently doesn't matter to Dr. Fellegi, who continues to resist releasing the Census to the National Archivist. Fellegi's obstinacy means all Canadians, not just the millions of descendants of Home Children, are denied access to information about their own predecessors. England, Scotland and Wales release their Census information after 100 years and the United States releases its information after 72 years so families can discover their own heritage. In Canada, Parliament decided years ago that 92 years was sufficient for keeping secret how many cows and chickens Uncle Herbert and Aunt Sally had way back when, yet Dr. Fellegi seems to be the only person standing in the way of full disclosure. In effect, a bureaucrat is overruling the will of Parliament in letter and spirit. This unnecessary, embarrassing fiasco is making our country look ridiculous to outside observers and Canadian citizens alike, and the majority of MPs and Senators who support access to post-1901 Census information should be raising sheer hell about it. They would be wise to act quickly before this matter becomes an even larger issue. BH

Greetings All. In my previous message I mentioned that Bill Hancock, editor of the Humboldt Journal, had written an article about British Home Children. Bill has forwarded that article to me and I copy it here for your interest. Bill has also forwarded to me an editorial which I will send in a different posting. We are happy that some people in the media are starting to take note of the plight of British Home Children and their descendants, and the Post 1901 Census issue. Our thanks go to Bill and to other journalists and editors that support our efforts to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ======================================= by Bill Hancock Humboldt Journal editor [email protected] Research into family history has gained huge popularity in recent years and it is growing even more quickly with the use of Internet-based resources. For many Canadians, looking into their family trees has become an investigation into something about their pasts that they may have not known before or perhaps had only a suspicion. They are the descendants of Britain's Home Children. In the fall of 1869, a group of 76 girls became the first group of Home Children to be sent from Britain to places such as Australia, New Zealand, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), and mostly Canada. Most ended up here as indentured labourers and house servants. Some of the lucky ones found families that took them in and raised them as their own children; others suffered terrible physical and sexual abuse in their new Canadian homes. Over a period of 70 years about 100,000 of them landed in Canada thanks to the efforts of about 50 different agencies. Some were as young as six years old. It is now estimated that between 11 per cent and 15 per cent of all Canadians can trace their roots to one or more of the original Home Children. On August 19 last year, Parks Canada unveiled a plaque in Stratford, Ontario at the former home of Annie MacPherson, a woman known for placing some 8,000 Home Children throughout parts off Ontario. About 50 people were expected to attend the event, but over 1,000 showed up. Researchers now say there are millions of "lost" relatives of these children. Perry Snow, a clinical psychologist in Calgary who wrote a book about Home Children detailing his own personal search for answers about his father's origins, is one of the better-known researchers in the field. According to Snow, more than half of the children suffered from neglect or abuse in Canada, after being declared as moral refuse" in Britain. "Many were not allowed to go to school, nor provided with adequate food, clothing or shelter," he wrote. "They suffered a unique form of prejudice in Canada because of their presumed 'tainted' origins. They were ostracized and accused of being carriers of syphilis," he said. "They were unwanted in England and unwelcome in Canada." Many of the children had been born out of wedlock, or perhaps were living on the street. Others had been caught shoplifting and were deemed undesirable by the British, including a boy who stole a loaf of bread and was shipped off to Australia as a result. Many were taken away from their living relatives such as brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and even surviving parents, never to be reunited again. For those who are now researching their heritage, secrecy has been a problem. Not unlike war veterans, most of the Home Children themselves never spoke of their experiences, and various agencies, along with the Canadian and British governments, have been reluctant to release records. Regardless of the stonewalling, many researchers continue to press on in their quest for knowledge. Humboldt resident Jack Hayes received some small books when his mother passed away and it made him suspect that she had been one of the Home Children. One of them was a book about the Quarrier family, who had been major players in exporting children to Canada, and for Hayes it opened up an unknown chapter in his family's past. In 1906, a year after his grandfather died as a result of an injury he received at work, Hayes' mother and three of her sisters were placed in a home in Britain because their mother was unable to care for them. A year and a half later, in June of 1908, they were sent to Canada aboard the S.S. Ionian along with 72 other girls under the care of Pastor and Mrs. Findlay and Miss MacWilliam. Hayes' mother was seven years old, while her sisters were eight, nine and ten. All four girls ended up as indentured domestics and somehow they managed to stay in touch with each other even though it was difficult to accomplish. "Quite often, Home Children weren't allowed to have contact with their siblings," said Hayes. "I knew she came over and worked at various homes in Canada," said Hayes. He recalled that she had been placed in the home of a doctor, but ended up in a different home. He also remembers that she never wanted to visit another doctor, but that she was treated well by the second family. "My mother was one of the lucky ones," he said. "We assumed both her mother and her father were dead," he continued as he spoke of his mother's past. "We found out later that wasn't the situation at all." "A great many of them felt abandoned by their parents," he said, and many others were shipped to Canada without the consent of their parents. Once they arrived in Canada, names were often changed. "That made it much more difficult to be traced," he said. Fellow Humboldt resident Jim Warden is also researching his family history and has discovered that his father was one of the Home Children. His grandmother had been a house servant who became pregnant out of wedlock. She was sent to a hospital requiring sponsorship, so questions remain about who may have provided the support or if it had perhaps been the child's father. In either event, the boy ended up being sent away to Canada, and Warden has the S.S. Teutonic's ship's log showing that his father, whose name was misspelled "Ernest Wardon" in the documents, departed Liverpool as one of 1,257 passengers, including 198 children under the age of 16 and nine stowaways, on April 19, 1913 and arrived in Quebec on April 26 that same year. His early experiences in Canada are largely a mystery, but it appears to have been more than unpleasant. Warden's father was yet another of the Home Children who had a rough time when he arrived in Canada. "My Dad didn't talk about it very much at all," said Warden, who now makes extensive use of his computer to track down clues to his family's history. "My Dad pulled a plough when he was 11 years old," said Warden. He was not permitted to attend church, rarely went to school with the other kids, and there are hints that there was abuse from his Canadian "family." A mile down the road, another one of the Home Children was with a family that treated their new guest quite well, making it more frustrating for his father. Authorities were supposed to be checking up on the kids once a year to make sure they were treated well, but the bureaucrats often either never got around to it, the children were uncomfortable with speaking up, or they were not believed anyway. Evidence of bad memories showed in 1978. When Warden took his own children along with their grandfather to the original Ontario farm where he had first worked, his father refused to go past the gate into the yard. "It brought back horrible memories for him," said Warden. "He stood at he gate with tears in his eyes." Research activities have been picking up recently and Warden says the amount of information in the public realm is increasing. "There's even more available now than when I started a year ago," he said, adding that his wife Bernice also has connections to Home Children from that side of the family history. One problem being encountered by family members researching their own past is secrecy. British and Canadian governments have been reluctant to release information and census data even though it is now a century old. The level of frustration has even led to an ongoing battle to gain access to information from the 1901 Canadian census. Meanwhile, the British government attempted to release their 1901 census on the Internet in February, but the huge rush of inquiries caused the entire Internet site to crash. "They were overwhelmed by the number of inquiries," said Warden, whose research would be aided with access to that information. Canada said it would never release any of the 1901 census information, agreed Jack Hayes, but that has been misinterpreted as being permanently and including information that would be helpful in research. "All we're really interested in as genealogical researchers is to find out about our family members," he said. Names and locations of people at certain dates are the key elements family research, Warden agreed, and nobody usually needs anything other than that from a census. "They don't want anything else," he said. For the moment, thousands of Canadians continue to trace back in time and as researchers discover each tidbit of information it seems likely that more and more families will discover an unknown part of their family's past. "There's lots of people who don't know.lots of people who don't want to know," said Warden. Both he and Jack Hayes have said they are willing to help point others in the right direction if they want to do their own research.

Greetings All. I copy here for your interest an article recently published in the Humboldt Journal, a weekly newspaper in Humboldt, Saskatchewan. The editor, Bill Hancock, has previously written articles regarding British Home Children. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ======================================= by Bill Hancock Humboldt Journal editor Have you ever wanted to research your family history? If so, you may encounter some problems, thanks to a lack of access to information. While researching their family heritage as descendants of British Home Children, Humboldt citizens Jack Hayes and Jim Warden encountered difficulty locating post-1901 census information. The problem doesn't just apply to them - everybody in Canada faces the same difficulty. "This has been an issue since the 1970s," said Gordon Watts, co-chair of the Canada Census Committee, an ad hoc group formed in 1999 to lobby for access to information. The difficulty stems from Canada's Chief Statistician, said Watts, who refuses to release information on the excuse that a promise was made a century ago to respondents of the census that no information would ever be released. "The most common reason they give is that they think there was a promise of confidentiality in perpetuity for those who took part in the census," said Watts, who has spent five years and about $2,000 fighting for access to information. "There's no evidence that any promise was ever made," said Watts. "It does not exist except in the minds of those who think it exists." Blame for intransigence has been placed squarely on Canada's Chief Statistician, Dr. Ivan Fellegi. "He has almost single-handedly been responsible for not allowing post-1901 census information to be released," said Watts. According to normal procedure, Fellegi is supposed to hand over that information to the National Archivist once the census is 92 years old. Fellegi "has refused to give that control over to the National Archivist," said Watts. The 92-year "period of closure" is twenty years longer than in the United States and eight years shorter than in England, Scotland and Wales. Watts cannot find any reason why the information should not be released in Canada. "The surface reason is individual confidentiality," he said. Over the years in North America and the British Isles there have been 650 million people enumerated and information has been released before. "There has never been a single complaint of information being given or released after a period of closure," he said. "The census is probably the single most important source of information for somebody looking for information about their family," said Watts. "The census gives a snapshot on a periodic basis of the Canadian family," he continued. Records contain information such as who was born, who died and when, sibling names, religion, occupation and some other bits of information, but unless the person did something quite remarkable the only information that may exist is their date of birth and date of death. Information of that sort was "common knowledge at the time," said Watts. If it relates to income, Watts dismisses objections to disclosure. "After 92 years, it's insignificant," he said of any possible present-day negative impact on anyone who may have concerns about that information becoming widely known. In January, the group posted a message on their website asking for a total of $8,000 to assist with legal bills in their battle to have the matter heard in court, but nobody expected the response they got, said Watts. "Within three weeks we had $12,000 donated to us from all over Canada and the United States," he said. Over 50,000 signatures have been presented to the House of Commons and the Senate, and a variety of other measures have been taken as well in the attempt to have post-1901 census information made accessible. A vote on the matter has not taken place, said Watts, due to obstruction. "It was killed by a Liberal Member of Parliament each time," he said. The group hasn't had success gaining access to information and they are hard pressed to find out why there is so much opposition from Ottawa despite having 156 members of Parliament in favour. "The feeling is that it's being directed from above," said Watts reluctantly. The battle will continue, he insists. "If it takes another five years I' ll continue, or for however long it takes," he said, urging Canadians to write letters to Members of Parliament and Senators. "Make it known to them that we're not going to give up," he said. Professor Bill Waiser of the University of Saskatchewan history department has also been working toward gaining access to post-1901 census data for the purpose of historical research. According to Watts, Waiser has even been blocked even though he has applied through the federal Access to Information Act. The lack of information comes as a bigger surprise to Watts and other members of the group now that news has been announced that seven Canadian universities are involved in a $14 million project to eventually put at least some of the information on the Internet. However, according to those fighting for access to information, records made available through that program would likely involve assessing sociological trends and would therefore be of little use for individuals searching for family histories. For now, legal and political measures are being used to gain release of census information.

Greetings All. The latest of my columns on Post 1901 Census has just been posted. Included in the column are suggested letters to send to the Information Commissioner following rejection of your Access to Information requests for access to records of the 1906 Census by the National Archives or Statistics Canada. These letters of complaint are an essential part of our current campaign. Other than an acknowledgement of receipt I would not expect a response for several months. I have been advised that some have received telephone calls from the office of the Information Commissioner, asking if they still wish to proceed with their complaint. Should this happen to you, the response should be YES. Our requests for access can in no way be considered frivolous, and our complaints are not vexatious. We are very serious in our desire for access to these vital records. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Greetings to the list. I am interested in locating the pre-emigration origins of our family, as identified below. THOMAS MACNAB was born Abt. 1760 in [possibly] Aberdeen, Scotland, and died Abt. 1785 in [possibly] North Ireland. He married ELIZABETH MAXWELL Abt. 1780. She was born Abt. 1765 in Scotland, and died Abt. 1865 in [possibly] North Ireland. Elizabeth Maxwell lived to be 105 years old. It is thought that she was an albino. Children of Thomas MACNAB and Elizabeth MAXWELL: i. ROBERT MACNAB, b. Abt. 1785, Unknown Location; d. Unknown, Unknown Location. no documented proof. ii. GEORGE MACNAB, b. Abt. 1785, Unknown Location; d. Unknown, Unknown Location. no documented proof. iii. PETER MACNAB, b. Abt. 1785, Unknown Location; d. Unknown, Unknown Location. no documented proof. iv. JOSEPH MACNAB, b. Abt. 1785.no documented proof v. HENRY (HARRY) MACNAB, b. Abt. 1785, North Ireland; emigrated 1831 to Ontario, Canada. Lived in Mulmur Twp. Simcoe Co. Ontario, Canada. d. Abt. 1871, in Melanchon Township, (Simcoe County) Ontario, Canada. He married ELIZABETH LIVINGSTONE Abt. December 1816 in North Ireland (Church of England). She was born Abt. 1795 in North Ireland, and died Abt. 1871 in Mulmur Corners, Dufferin County, Ontario, Canada. Henry MacNab was a soldier in the 83rd Irish Regiment of Foot under Wellington in the Napoleonic campaign. The 83rd later became the 1st Battalion of Royal Irish Rifles. [Henry's son Robert said he was born in Dublin but was Scottish; it wasn't his fault, he said, that his mother happened to be in Ireland at the time.] Children of HENRY MACNAB and ELIZABETH LIVINGSTON are: i. JOHN MCNABB, b. Abt.1820. ii. WILLIAM MCNABB, b. Abt. 1822; d. 10 October 1911, Bowsman, Manitoba (while visiting). iii. THOMAS "HENRY" MCNABB, b. Abt. 1827. iv. ROBERT MCNABB, b. 25 December 1820, Dublin Ireland; d. 23 September 1899, Elkton, Michigan. v. MARY ANN MCNABB, b. Abt. 1840. vi. ELIZA MCNABB, b. Abt. 1842. any Old Country suggestions or sources very much appreciated. Family is well documented in North America, and will be pleased to correspond with other researchers. Janice

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To anyone else on the list with TOUGH Ancestry, My Canadian family of Gordons had one of their daughters Eliza/Elizabeth Gordon marry William Tough who was born Scotland 10th Jan, 1840. They had at least two children: William Tough born ca 1866, John Tough born ca 1868. They were living in Scott Township, Ontario County, Ontario in the 1871 census. William Tough was living with the Leask family in the 1861 census, again Scott Township. By 1901 Elzabeth was dead, and William senior was living William Junior and Family in Eldon Township, Victoria County, Ontario. Does any one have any connections or knowledge of this family? Bobbie, NZ

Greetings All. I have this morning been sent my first reply from Statistics Canada in response to an Accesst to Information Request for access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces. As expected, that response from StatCan was a refusal to provide the information requested. Their refusal was based upon section 24(1) and Schedule II of the ATI Act. I provide here a suggested letter of complaint to be forwarded to the Information Commissioner. As with the letter of complaint regarding the inability of the National Archives to provide access to these records, those spaces enclosed with square brackets should be substituted with the suggested information. Feel free to modify the letter to suit your own circumstances, but be sure to include the points made in my suggested letter. As indicated in a previous post, we should continue to submit ATI requests to Statistics Canada for some time to come (one per individual). We consider this tactic to be a long range one and will probably be continued until we have achieved our goal. Requests to the National Archives have probably served their purpose and for the time being at least can be discontinued. With each refusal to provide access we must submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner. In my last column I provided addresses to send ATI requests, complaints to the Information Commissioner and letters to the Privacy Commissioner. Rather than repeat those here, that column may be accessed by clicking this URL: http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ====================================== Mr. John Reid Information Commissioner of Canada Place de Ville, Tower B 112 Kent Street, 22nd Floor Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1H3 Dear Sir; On [date] I forwarded an Access to Information Request to Statistics Canada. With this request I sought general access to schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces of Canada (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta). On [date] I was advised by [letter/telephone] that Statistics Canada was unable to provide me with the requested information. In refusing to provide me with the information requested, Statistics Canada stated "schedules of the 1906 Census are being exempted from disclosure pursuant to section 24 of the Access to Information Act which reads as follows: 24(1) The head of a government institution shall refuse to disclose any record requested under this Act that contains information the disclosure of which is restricted by or pursuant to any provision set out in Schedule II. Schedule II includes section 17 of the Statistics Act." Mr. Commissioner, clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Regulation 6(d) of the Privacy Act specifically provide for access to personal information from Census, to any person or body, for purposes of research, 92 years following collection. It is my belief that restriction to access of this vital information, as per section 24(1) of the ATI Act, was intended to be in force only until the expiration of the 92 year period of closure stipulated by Regulation 6(d) of the Privacy Act. The Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act were born of the same legislative Bill. It does not seem logical that legislators of the day, deliberating on this Bill, would deliberately include clauses in these Acts that directly opposed each other and had the effect of one nullifying the other. Clauses in Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census for 1906 (and other years) clearly state that records of Census "have value as a record for historical use" (Clause 20) and that "The census is intended to be a permanent record, and its schedules will be stored in the Archives of the Dominion." (Clause 34). Similar clauses were included in Instruction to Officers and Enumerators of Census from at least 1901 to 1946. The National Archives of Canada Act provides that the National Archivist of Canada shall determine what records of government have historical and archival value, and that shall be deposited in the National Archives. The National Archivist has determined that Census records do have historical and archival value, and that they are, in fact, a National Treasure. The pertinent legislation and regulations clearly state that I should have unrestricted access, through the National Archives, to nominal schedules of Census 92 years after collection. Records of the 1906 Census should have been available from 1998, now four years past. This letter is to be considered my official complaint regarding the refusal of Statistics Canada to allow access to schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces, or to transfer control of schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces to the National Archivist as per the applicable legislation and regulations. Thank you. [Signature and address]

Greetings All. The following reprint from Eastman's Genealogy Newsletter may be of interest to some listers. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm =========================================== The following is a "special edition" of my weekly newsletter. A breaking news event has major financial impact to hundreds of genealogists. I elected to not wait until next week's newsletter to distribute the following article. - Dick Eastman ============================================================== - International Roots Conference Is Canceled, Would-be Attendees Lose Money The International Roots Conference has been canceled. If you registered in advance, you need to read the following information. In the June 5 edition of this newsletter, I wrote about the International Roots Conference to be held in Dearborn, Michigan on July 14 through 18, 2002. I wrote that conference organizers Marilyn R. Natchez and Steve Rosman, operating under the business name of "My Conference Planners, LLC," were planning a big conference. While I didn't mention any expected numbers of attendees in that article, the conference Web site advised that 2,000 people were expected to attend this conference. All of that came crashing down in the past few days. Last Friday, only three weeks before the scheduled start of the conference, My Conference Planners, LLC ceased operations and declared bankruptcy. The company's Web site was shut down on Tuesday, June 25. Would-be conference attendees who paid in advance for tickets are now receiving letters from a law firm advising that the conference has been canceled. Reportedly, all the money paid in advance is gone; so, creditors are advised to not contact anyone for refunds. In other words, those who paid money in advance are ***** (insert your own expletive here). Most would-be attendees paid $200 to $300 each, depending upon the luncheons, dinners and workshops selected. The owners of My Conference Planners, LLC have not released any numbers. However, if only 500 people paid in advance, the amount in question would be $100,000 to $150,000. What happened? I have no idea. Marilyn R. Natchez and Steve Rosman have not yet returned my phone call and e-mails. The lawyer handling this bankruptcy case is David Miller of the law firm Erman, Teicher, Miller, Zucker & Freedman, PC, located at: 100 Galleria Officentre Ste 333 Southfield, MI 48034-8429 Phone: (248) 827-4100 Fax: (248) 827-4106 Attorney David Miller can be reached at: [email protected] Those who feel that they have been "ripped off" might want to contact the office of Jennifer M. Granholm, the Attorney General for the State of Michigan. The Attorney General's office has an online Web site for those who wish to file consumer complaints, at: http://www.ag.state.mi.us/cp/complaint/cp_complaint_page.htm If you do file a complaint, you will be asked for the company's name and address. It is: MY CONFERENCE PLANNERS, LLC 24901 Northwestern Highway, Suite 313-B Southfield, Michigan 48075-2207 (248) 415-0159 I suspect you will be reading more about this story in future weeks.

I forgot to mention in my previous email that here in St. Thomas Ontario we have the oldest church in Ontario Old English church - established 1826 - I do believe the church yard was about 1824 - it is still being used for Sunday morning worship services in the summer months / Used for a Xmas carol service just prior to Xmas - Not heated so please dress warm / serve cookies and hot apple cider - Very enjoyable evening Open daily during the summer months - They have just removed a very old family tombstone to be refurbished this summer - CHISHOLM family that died at very early ages due to I do believe Typhoid Joanne Ontario Canada [email protected]

I know there is a Brechin Fife - also a Brechin Ontario / Glasgow / I know there are others also - too early in the morning to think of them all Joanne Ontario [email protected]

Goodmorning all, Where do I look for emmigration records from Hawick Scotland to Schreiber Ontario. Walter Glover, his wife and children emmigrated from Hawick Sc.. to Schreiber Ontario in 1909. Walter worked on the CPR as a carman, they later settled in Biggar SK. Walter, My Grandfather, had said he came there to homestead, but I have been unable to locate records to prove this. i beleve he came with HIS parents..George GLOVER and wife Margaret NESBIT Glover. The above having been also born in Hawick. SC. I do know that Walter Glover was involved in establishing a lodge, or the Clachan as a history books calls in in Biggar, but I can find no other mention. Thank you Marcia Moore Collins

Hi Have you tried to looking under P.E.I's own site. They one of best Canadian sites, alot better than what we have in Manitoba, which is one of the worst. There is a site search as well. I have used it myself, because I have several ancestors that lived in P.E.I. dating back to the late 1700's Sheila Behan [email protected] wrote: > Hi. I am new to the list and was hoping someone could help me trace my > Scottish Canadian ancestors. Leo Joseph McRae was married to Ellen J. > McDonald (sometimes went by "Nellie"). I don't know what year they were > married, or if they were married in Canada or Boston. They were in Boston > and married at least by 1906. > > Leo Joseph (also sometimes Joseph) was born in Charlottetown, PEI in 1860 to > Donald McRae and Mary Handrigan (or Landrigan). The family is listed in the > 1881 census in "Charlottetown Royalty #221." Siblings were Donald (age 18), > Martin (age 17), and Alexander (age 13). Donald McRae was listed as age 40, > and Mary age 42. They were Roman Catholic. > > Ellen J. McRae (nee McDonald) was born abt. 1875 in Fort Augustus, Prince > Edward Island. Her parents were James McDonald and Catherine (maiden name > McDonald?). In the 1891 Census this family is listed in "Lot 36 #34." James > (age 66), Catherine (age 50). Their children: Mary C. (age 25), Flora M. > (age 21), Ellen J. (age 19), Mary (age 16), James A. (age 10), Josaphine (age > 6), and James' sister Jane age 74. They also are Roman Catholic. James and > Catherine's parents were born in PEI. > > Does anyone know anything about any of these people? Does anyone have access > to Roman Catholic church records for this area? Or know which parish they > would have been in? Also, since most Scottish people are Protestant, does > the fact that these families are Catholic mean anything, such as a certain > part of Scotland? Or might they have really been Irish? Any help would be > appreciated! Thanks. > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE - send email to - [email protected] (D if Digest Mode) and type unsubscribe in subject line and message box. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings All Sworn answers to written interrogatories of our plaintiffs in the Application for Judicial Review were served and filed on time and Lois Sparling has received the Justice Department's reply to undertakings given by StatCan and NA defendants. She reports that it was very boring reading. As reported previously, lawyers for Justice Canada refused to allow representatives of Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi (Mary Ledoux) and National Archivist Ian Wilson (Greg Eamon) to answer many of the questions posed by Lois during her cross-examination of them. On Thursday 20 June 2002 Lois appeared in Federal Court to argue a motion that these representatives be compelled to answer her questions. The judge was interested in what the case was all about and remembered reading something about the census in the newspaper recently. He remarked that it appeared to him that since the issue in this case was strictly a question of legal interpretation, no cross-examination was really necessary (he's probably right there). He reserved his decision, which means he'll think about it and let us know. It is interesting that the judge felt the issue was strictly a question of legal interpretation when my cross-examination by the Justice Canada lawyers did not touch on that at all. The lawyer from the Justice Department told the judge and Lois (in lawyer talk, not plain English) that the Attorney General was working on negotiating a compromise/solution between Mr. Wilson and Dr. Fellegi. She told Lois the Attorney General was the neutral "honest broker", or words to that effect. We have mixed feelings on being told that the Attorney General is a neutral "honest broker" in this. The new Attorney General, the Hon. Martin Cauchon, is the MP from Outremont, Quebec, and is one of those who has never responded to our questions of support. In all probability he is not "up" on what has been happening regarding this issue for the past several years. As such he will likely be guided by his advisors, and in particular by Dr. Fellegi who, by no stretch of the imagination could be consider to be neutral in this issue. We will advise, as we have done before, that if the compromise/solution being considered bears any resemblance to the so-called "compromise solution" already proposed by Dr. Fellegi, it will be unacceptable to the genealogists, historians and people of Canada. There is already a compromise, or balance, mandated by law in the form of the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Regulations to the Privacy Act. Legislators deliberating these statutes provided that in return for providing information to census, that information would not be publicly accessible for a period of 92 years. There are currently 235 years of Census records for what is now Canada, up to and including those for 1901, available without restriction 92 years after collection. The only solution acceptable will be to allow, as provided by the ATI and Privacy Acts, unrestricted access to Post 1901 Census records 92 years following collection, on exactly the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 are currently available. We must continue our efforts to advise our elected and appointed representative that is is what the people want. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hi. I am new to the list and was hoping someone could help me trace my Scottish Canadian ancestors. Leo Joseph McRae was married to Ellen J. McDonald (sometimes went by "Nellie"). I don't know what year they were married, or if they were married in Canada or Boston. They were in Boston and married at least by 1906. Leo Joseph (also sometimes Joseph) was born in Charlottetown, PEI in 1860 to Donald McRae and Mary Handrigan (or Landrigan). The family is listed in the 1881 census in "Charlottetown Royalty #221." Siblings were Donald (age 18), Martin (age 17), and Alexander (age 13). Donald McRae was listed as age 40, and Mary age 42. They were Roman Catholic. Ellen J. McRae (nee McDonald) was born abt. 1875 in Fort Augustus, Prince Edward Island. Her parents were James McDonald and Catherine (maiden name McDonald?). In the 1891 Census this family is listed in "Lot 36 #34." James (age 66), Catherine (age 50). Their children: Mary C. (age 25), Flora M. (age 21), Ellen J. (age 19), Mary (age 16), James A. (age 10), Josaphine (age 6), and James' sister Jane age 74. They also are Roman Catholic. James and Catherine's parents were born in PEI. Does anyone know anything about any of these people? Does anyone have access to Roman Catholic church records for this area? Or know which parish they would have been in? Also, since most Scottish people are Protestant, does the fact that these families are Catholic mean anything, such as a certain part of Scotland? Or might they have really been Irish? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.

Norma, I think you've said (clearly and effectively) what many of us would like to have said --- but did not, for fear of further smoking up the scene. There are all kinds of people out there in cyberspace and we can expect to get some ignorant ones on the genealogy lists too (THOUGH THIS ONE TOOK THE CAKE<G>) In truth I HAVE found this particular list to be quite unfocussed (with moderator sponsored fluff like "how long have you been involved in genealogy"???<G>) but the Census fight update was COMPLETELY relevant and, I'd have thought, of vital interest to anyone working in the field. As you pointed out, the flamers were obviously NOT genealogists, were on the wrong list and were simply ( and humorously) rude. What was amazing to me was how concerned some folks seemed to get --- and the ludicrous suggestion that the fight over Canadas bureaucratic power-grab on census data, was a political issue that might be considered as seperate and distinct from genealogy --- and not appropriate for this list. Thanks for an excellent review. Stuart Grant (Point Roberts, WA --- Searching ships records for Scotland to Canada 1906-08) WHITE; MacPHERSON; SHAW; ROBERTSON; STUART; GRANT --- all Braes of Glenlivet --------------------------------------------------------I X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:51:01 -0400 From: Norma Brown <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <B8E79308.18A40%[email protected]> Subject: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Re Corinne and our census fight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For those who wish, hit the delete button now! I think Corinne, on behalf of herself, said it all in the following message ( dated 14 Apr 2002) retrieved from the archives for the [email protected] list. "Understanding" is not one of her big accomplishments. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:23:33 -0700 From: Corinne Freethy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Please help Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Listers Please understand that when tell you that i don't know or understand anything about studying the following Census, Church and Vital records Etc, i mean it. ____________________________ Her letter is a very sad commentary on her own lack of understanding of genealogical records. If the genealogy community and other interested groups do not unite in the 1906 and 1911 census-fight then we may never see another census released. Then where will Corinne be? I have the feeling that if someone could "give" Corinne her family tree, back to Adam and Eve, then she would be a happy camper and perhaps would really do what she promised earlier today---- > I'm really getting tired of these messages so as of right now i'm unsubbing > from the SCOTS-IN-CANADA mailing list, i really find it a waste of time and > don't have time to read such messages from gordon, Please do not reply to > my message thanks i am trying to keep my email box from being flooded. To those who think that a once-a-week memo on the subject of the census debate would be enough then you don't understand the way the parliamentary system works. When things start moving on Parliament Hill then they do take off quickly. Hard to believe but true! If the constituents (in this case the genealogists and other interested groups) do not continue to express a strong interest in the release of the 1906 and 1911 census returns then Stats Canada will continue to be in control. The chief statistician has taken a stand which he is not going to willingly back down from.... even though he and his organization are breaking the law! It will take a directive from Parliament to get Stats Canada to pass the already microfilmed 1906 census to the National Archives. Just remember that a few years ago it was the plan of Stats Canada to destroy the 1906 and maybe also the 1911 census returns. This census fight has probably generated more mail from Canadians and others than any other subject that our Members of Parliament and Senators have ever encountered. We owe it to ourselves and future generations to keep our messages in front of the MPs and Senators. Thank you to Gordon Watts and the hard-working census group. Have learned much about access to freedom requests and non-votable private member bills. Also to Global Genealogy and its support. And to Dennis, thank you for your masterfully crafted message earlier today. Norma --------------------------------------------- ______________________________