--- SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:04:06 -0600 > From: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D Digest V03 #149 > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D@rootsweb.com > > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 149 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census - Welcom ["Gordon > A. Watts" <gordon_watts@te] > #2 [SCTCDN] scottish settlers ["Philip > Wyatt" <pwyatt@nygh.on.ca>] > #3 Re: [SCTCDN] scottish settlers > ["C.Joudrey" <cjjoud@rogers.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D, send a > message to > > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the subject line and in the body of > the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. > Also, please use a fresh email to do so. > > To contact the SCOTS-IN-CANADA-D list administrator, > send mail to > SCOTS-IN-CANADA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:08:33 -0700 > From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCTCDN] Post 1901 Census - Welcoming > Parliament Back > > Greetings All. > > > > As the end of summer is approaching we hope that > everyone has had a good holiday, and if travelling, > they have returned home safely. While over the > summer many have slowed down activities related to > regaining public access to Historic Census records, > it is time now to think about getting back in gear. > > > > Parliament resumes sitting at 11:00 AM Monday 15 > September 2003. It would be nice to see our MPs > welcomed back by a group of genealogists and > historians carrying placards seeking release of > Historic Census records and either amendments to, or > defeat of Bill S-13. This is not something that I > can organize from British Columbia but perhaps it is > something that could be set up by some of the > genealogical groups in and around Ottawa. > > > > Such a demonstration need not be lengthy - perhaps > four hours from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM. It should be > held as close to the front entrance of the main > Parliament Building as possible. Media scrums > normally take place in the Parliament Building at > noon so there should be a number of media reporters > present at that time. Someone knowledgeable about > the Census issue should be present and be prepared > to act as a spokesperson. Media sources should be > contacted in advance to advise the demonstration is > taking place and what it is about. Perhaps a few > supportive MPs might be persuaded to join the > demonstration for a short time. > > > > Any takers? Is there anyone out there willing to > organize such an activity? Is anyone from the > Ontario Genealogy Society or other groups in and > around Ottawa reading this? If someone is willing > to have a go at this let me know and I will do what > I can to put people in touch with each other. > > > > Happy Hunting > > > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-chair, Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > > > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census > en francais > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:36:09 -0400 > From: "Philip Wyatt" <pwyatt@nygh.on.ca> > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCTCDN] scottish settlers > > I'm trying to identify if any of the Scottish > settlers in 1632 at Port > Royal in Nova Scotia can be confirmed to have stay > on after Nova Scotia > was transferred back to French control in 1632. > There are a few > references that state that some of the Scottish > settlers stayed and > married into the French colonists who came. > > > As you may be aware Nova Scotia from 1621 to 1632 > was under the > control of the Kingdom of Scotland and Sir William > Alexander. > > > Does any one have any information about this? > > > > Phil > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:23:55 -0400 > From: "C.Joudrey" <cjjoud@rogers.com> > To: SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] scottish settlers > > Philip, > > I too have seen mention that some remained, but I > have never seen definite > proof, or any lists of potential names, online or in > my study of Canadian > history. I imagine some did marry and integrate with > the French families, > but as I understand it the majority returned to > Scotland. > > Some Scottish folk came amongst the Planters from > New England to take over > land that was vacated when the Arcadians were > expelled in 1755. My opinion > and I form it because of your question is that some > of the Planters > (colonists) could have been from the original > settlement at Port Royal, > because the two areas Grand Pre and Port Royal, are > relatively close to each > other. Now that is solely a thought of mine! > > The first permanent settlers that came direct from > Scotland to Nova Scotia > landed in 1773 aboard the ship Hector. They landed > in Pictou. Pictou is > given credit as the birthplace of New Scotland or > Nova Scotia as we know it. > > Christine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Wyatt" <pwyatt@nygh.on.ca> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:36 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] scottish settlers > > > > I'm trying to identify if any of the Scottish > settlers in 1632 at Port > > Royal in Nova Scotia can be confirmed to have > stay on after Nova Scotia > > was transferred back to French control in 1632. > There are a few > > references that state that some of the Scottish > settlers stayed and > > married into the French colonists who came. > > > > > As you may be aware Nova Scotia from 1621 to 1632 > was under the > > control of the Kingdom of Scotland and Sir > William Alexander. > > > > > Does any one have any information about this? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > > Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a > genealogist! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Philip, I too have seen mention that some remained, but I have never seen definite proof, or any lists of potential names, online or in my study of Canadian history. I imagine some did marry and integrate with the French families, but as I understand it the majority returned to Scotland. Some Scottish folk came amongst the Planters from New England to take over land that was vacated when the Arcadians were expelled in 1755. My opinion and I form it because of your question is that some of the Planters (colonists) could have been from the original settlement at Port Royal, because the two areas Grand Pre and Port Royal, are relatively close to each other. Now that is solely a thought of mine! The first permanent settlers that came direct from Scotland to Nova Scotia landed in 1773 aboard the ship Hector. They landed in Pictou. Pictou is given credit as the birthplace of New Scotland or Nova Scotia as we know it. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Wyatt" <pwyatt@nygh.on.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] scottish settlers > I'm trying to identify if any of the Scottish settlers in 1632 at Port > Royal in Nova Scotia can be confirmed to have stay on after Nova Scotia > was transferred back to French control in 1632. There are a few > references that state that some of the Scottish settlers stayed and > married into the French colonists who came. > > > As you may be aware Nova Scotia from 1621 to 1632 was under the > control of the Kingdom of Scotland and Sir William Alexander. > > > Does any one have any information about this? > > > > Phil > > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Whoever said "seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I'm trying to identify if any of the Scottish settlers in 1632 at Port Royal in Nova Scotia can be confirmed to have stay on after Nova Scotia was transferred back to French control in 1632. There are a few references that state that some of the Scottish settlers stayed and married into the French colonists who came. > As you may be aware Nova Scotia from 1621 to 1632 was under the control of the Kingdom of Scotland and Sir William Alexander. > Does any one have any information about this? > > Phil

Greetings All. As the end of summer is approaching we hope that everyone has had a good holiday, and if travelling, they have returned home safely. While over the summer many have slowed down activities related to regaining public access to Historic Census records, it is time now to think about getting back in gear. Parliament resumes sitting at 11:00 AM Monday 15 September 2003. It would be nice to see our MPs welcomed back by a group of genealogists and historians carrying placards seeking release of Historic Census records and either amendments to, or defeat of Bill S-13. This is not something that I can organize from British Columbia but perhaps it is something that could be set up by some of the genealogical groups in and around Ottawa. Such a demonstration need not be lengthy - perhaps four hours from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM. It should be held as close to the front entrance of the main Parliament Building as possible. Media scrums normally take place in the Parliament Building at noon so there should be a number of media reporters present at that time. Someone knowledgeable about the Census issue should be present and be prepared to act as a spokesperson. Media sources should be contacted in advance to advise the demonstration is taking place and what it is about. Perhaps a few supportive MPs might be persuaded to join the demonstration for a short time. Any takers? Is there anyone out there willing to organize such an activity? Is anyone from the Ontario Genealogy Society or other groups in and around Ottawa reading this? If someone is willing to have a go at this let me know and I will do what I can to put people in touch with each other. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hello Randy, There is someone elso doing research on this family. I don't know if you have been in contact with her, but I will send her e-mail addess directly to your own e-mail rather than put it on this board as she may not want it on here. Shirley Member of ScotsinCanada@groups.msn.com genealogy

Hi Shirley, I found the same information the Mormon site. They stated the source as an unnamed member of the Mormon Church with no further information. Do you have further information on a source? Randy At 01:20 PM 8/20/03 -0700, you wrote: >Robert Elliot born May 2, 1762 in Hobkirk, Roxburgh, Scotland married >May 13, 1788 at Sorel Que. Died April 17, 1810. > >Louise Elizabeth Marie Savoie born April 6, 1769 Louiseville, >Maskinnge, Que. Died April 7, 1820 Father: Simon >Savoie Mother: Marie Louises Lamaitre > >Children: Louise Marie Elliot born 10/16/1790 Riviere De >Loop Maskinonge Que. Simon 10/10/ 1793 Riviere De Loop >Charlotte 8/4/ 1798 Lavaltrie, Berthier >Sara Marie Elliot 11/6/ 1810 Lavaltrie, Berthier > > Shirley Kerr > > >Member of ScotsinCanada@groups.msn.com genealogy > > >==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== >Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Randy, I forgot to mention, his fathers name was John Elliot and there wasn't a name for his mother on the record I found. Shirley Member of ScotsinCanada@groups.msn.com genealogy

Robert Elliot born May 2, 1762 in Hobkirk, Roxburgh, Scotland married May 13, 1788 at Sorel Que. Died April 17, 1810. Louise Elizabeth Marie Savoie born April 6, 1769 Louiseville, Maskinnge, Que. Died April 7, 1820 Father: Simon Savoie Mother: Marie Louises Lamaitre Children: Louise Marie Elliot born 10/16/1790 Riviere De Loop Maskinonge Que. Simon 10/10/ 1793 Riviere De Loop Charlotte 8/4/ 1798 Lavaltrie, Berthier Sara Marie Elliot 11/6/ 1810 Lavaltrie, Berthier Shirley Kerr Member of ScotsinCanada@groups.msn.com genealogy

Hello Randy, My gggrandfather was also a Robert Elliot and another member of ScotsinCanda group also has a Robert Elliot in her family tree. Both of our ancestors came from Hawick, Roxburghshire but not related to each other. There were several more by that name which was not ours. Worth a try. Shirley Member of ScotsinCanada@groups.msn.com genealogy

Hello all, I'm still seeking information on Robert Elliot who married Louise Savoie in 1788 in Quebec. I'm seeking any information on where he was from in Scotland, who his parents were, when he was born, or when he immigrated and on what ship. Thanks, Randy Elliott

Anne a large number of Scottish immigtants who came to Canada settled in Cape Breton. If you are looking for land grant records youcan go to the Provincal Archives site which has them available on line and that is at nsarm.com and also the Cape Breton County gen web site which also lists some land grants. Hope this helps you. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Reynolds" <annereynolds@rogers.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Dr. McLachlan and Emigration to Canada > Hi Folks, > > I recently reviewed the Colonial Office records from Britain (National > Archives MG 11, C.O. 384 reel B-877) looking for information about the > emigration of my McAlpine ancestors abroad the Mars of Glasgow in 1818. > > I found a letter dated 4 July 1818 written from Crinan Scotland. > > It reads:(this is a quick translation of the letter) > > Sir, > > The ?present(difficult to read) is only to inform you that some time ago, > about twenty families from the parish of North Knapdale engaged with a > Doctor McLACHLAN to go out to Canada North America, at the date of our > engagement, we all agreed that the said Dr McLACHLAN should write to Lord > Bathurst in order that we should on our arrival there be supplyed with > Lands, but yesterday we were informed he received no answer from London. > However, we are informed by a gentleman from ?Iverary or ?Tobermory that you > are authorised by Government to make the ????? arrangment with us respecting > lands and may us therefore request you may have the good??? to write us on > receipt to Tobermory to the care of Mr Jno. SINCLAIR, postmaster, stating > the encouragement Government gives on our arrival and the proper steps > necessary to be persued by us to com??? that end, the ship we mean to go out > with is the MARS which we expect here in a day or two - expecting your > answer in Canada in ?remain. Sir your Ob ??? Dugald CAMPBELL, Donald > MacALPINE, Malcolm LEITCH for the whole. > > My question is this: Does anyone know this Dr. McLACHLAN? Would he have > been in Canada or in Scotland? It seems that something went amiss and my > ancestors arrived in Canada without a guarentee of land. What would have > been their next step? Where could I look for records? > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > Anne > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Find your ancestors, before they find you! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Folks, I recently reviewed the Colonial Office records from Britain (National Archives MG 11, C.O. 384 reel B-877) looking for information about the emigration of my McAlpine ancestors abroad the Mars of Glasgow in 1818. I found a letter dated 4 July 1818 written from Crinan Scotland. It reads:(this is a quick translation of the letter) Sir, The ?present(difficult to read) is only to inform you that some time ago, about twenty families from the parish of North Knapdale engaged with a Doctor McLACHLAN to go out to Canada North America, at the date of our engagement, we all agreed that the said Dr McLACHLAN should write to Lord Bathurst in order that we should on our arrival there be supplyed with Lands, but yesterday we were informed he received no answer from London. However, we are informed by a gentleman from ?Iverary or ?Tobermory that you are authorised by Government to make the ????? arrangment with us respecting lands and may us therefore request you may have the good??? to write us on receipt to Tobermory to the care of Mr Jno. SINCLAIR, postmaster, stating the encouragement Government gives on our arrival and the proper steps necessary to be persued by us to com??? that end, the ship we mean to go out with is the MARS which we expect here in a day or two - expecting your answer in Canada in ?remain. Sir your Ob ??? Dugald CAMPBELL, Donald MacALPINE, Malcolm LEITCH for the whole. My question is this: Does anyone know this Dr. McLACHLAN? Would he have been in Canada or in Scotland? It seems that something went amiss and my ancestors arrived in Canada without a guarentee of land. What would have been their next step? Where could I look for records? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Anne

My gr.grandmother, Eliza Mary Catherine CONRAD, was born in 1844 at Blueberry, now known as West Berlin, Queens County, Nova Scotia. I firmly believe she enjoyed life -- had one daughter in 1869 - unmarried. Eliza married a Charles Thorpe from England in 1874, drowned 1875. James MacKenzie DAVIS, from Liverpool, England, arrived in Liverpool, Nova Scotia -- Eliza and James DAVIS were married January 1878 and my grandmother Jane Maria Conrad DAVIS was born in March 1878. I am not definite if James MacKenzie Davis stayed around too long -- he seemed to have been an educated man -- whereas my gr.grandmother was not. There was an Enoch Arden divorce, and Eliza married again in Maine in 1893 -- died 1915. All I know of the parents of James MacKenzie DAVIS are the names, John DAVIS and Lady Jane MacKENZIE -- believe from southern part of Scotland. Her family does not seem to like her being married to a common merchant trader (with a fleet of vessels) so all mention of her has been erased from any MacKenzie family line -- even DeBrett's Defunct Peerage!! My grandmother used the names when she had children -- one aunt had the dubious middle name of DAVIS, another of MacKENZIE. My mother escaped this naming pattern, thankfully. To top it off, I am able to learn more about my grandparents, plus birth certificates from 1900 census, and from Augusta, Maine. The family moved to Liverpool, Nova Scotia in 1909. I plan to contact Trish Lewis in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia -- she has researched for me before -- uses LDS and Old Scottish Records. It makes a very interesting story -- unfortunately it is true -- with unfinished bits and pieces. Muriel

Christine:- I have absolutely no idea, but it was not the northern part of Scotland. Even a place would be a clue. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.Joudrey" <cjjoud@rogers.com> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [SCTCDN] Hoping to Complete Part of My Family > Hi Muriel, > > Do you have any idea or even any thoughts as to where > your Lady Jane MacKenzie came from in Scotland? > > Christine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> > To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:40 PM > Subject: [SCTCDN] Hoping to Complete Part of My Family > > > > To all:- > > > > This is my first posting -- so please bear with me!! > > > > On my mother's side of the family, I am only able to > > go back as far as my gr.gr.grandparents on one side. > > > > James MacKenzie Davis of Liverpool, England, was the son > > of John Davis and Lady Jane MacKenzie, Scotland. > > > > This latter couple would be gr.gr.grandparents -- and I have > > learned John Davis was a merchant trader with over 12 > > vessels sailing to all parts of the world. Parentage unknown. > > > > John Davis married Lady Jane MacKenzie of Scotland -- and > > as he was a commoner, not even DeBrett's Defunct Peerage > > lists Lady Jane. It is as if she never existed. > > > > However, within the family, her memory has been kept alive -- > > my grandmother was named Jane, an aunt received the unlikely > > middle name of MacKenzie. > > > > Sincerely hoping someone knows of this lady or couple, plus > > their family -- as there were four children I am told. > > > > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > > Brampton, Ontario > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/03

Hi Muriel, Do you have any idea or even any thoughts as to where your Lady Jane MacKenzie came from in Scotland? Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> To: <SCOTS-IN-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: [SCTCDN] Hoping to Complete Part of My Family > To all:- > > This is my first posting -- so please bear with me!! > > On my mother's side of the family, I am only able to > go back as far as my gr.gr.grandparents on one side. > > James MacKenzie Davis of Liverpool, England, was the son > of John Davis and Lady Jane MacKenzie, Scotland. > > This latter couple would be gr.gr.grandparents -- and I have > learned John Davis was a merchant trader with over 12 > vessels sailing to all parts of the world. Parentage unknown. > > John Davis married Lady Jane MacKenzie of Scotland -- and > as he was a commoner, not even DeBrett's Defunct Peerage > lists Lady Jane. It is as if she never existed. > > However, within the family, her memory has been kept alive -- > my grandmother was named Jane, an aunt received the unlikely > middle name of MacKenzie. > > Sincerely hoping someone knows of this lady or couple, plus > their family -- as there were four children I am told. > > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > Brampton, Ontario > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/03 > > > ==== SCOTS-IN-CANADA Mailing List ==== > Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

To all:- This is my first posting -- so please bear with me!! On my mother's side of the family, I am only able to go back as far as my gr.gr.grandparents on one side. James MacKenzie Davis of Liverpool, England, was the son of John Davis and Lady Jane MacKenzie, Scotland. This latter couple would be gr.gr.grandparents -- and I have learned John Davis was a merchant trader with over 12 vessels sailing to all parts of the world. Parentage unknown. John Davis married Lady Jane MacKenzie of Scotland -- and as he was a commoner, not even DeBrett's Defunct Peerage lists Lady Jane. It is as if she never existed. However, within the family, her memory has been kept alive -- my grandmother was named Jane, an aunt received the unlikely middle name of MacKenzie. Sincerely hoping someone knows of this lady or couple, plus their family -- as there were four children I am told. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Brampton, Ontario --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/03

Please include me in your list thanks Pat

Could some kind soul who has a cd of Genealogy.com's "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index 1500s- 1900s" .do a look up for me please? I hate to ask but it is very expensive for one look up! Marion SCOTT , born 1817 emigrated from Scotland to Canada between 1835/1839 with husband William Scott. Interested to know where they left from, what ship they sailed on and what year exactly. Thank you in anticipation. Kind regards, Katherine New Zealand.

I don't like doing this but Ancestry.com is a very expensive "buy" and all I need is the following: For sks to go to the site below and type in Marion Scott and give me any information that may come from it. The family do not know her maiden name and that is what we are after.Apparently the cemetery records of Riverside Cemetery, New Hamburg are on this site and they may have the information I am seeking. Marion Scott died 24th August,1850 New Hamburg http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3741.htm Thankyou very much indeed. I would be ever so grateful. Katherine O'Regan New Zealand

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