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    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Murray
    2. Peter McNaughton
    3. Moray was the original surname -

    05/13/2018 05:56:21
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Spelling variation in Scotland for Murray
    2. My 2xgr grandmother's surname is Murray. I don't know exactly how it was originally spelled, in Scotland. Can anyone offer any help as to other variations that I could use for searching? I have done all of the obvious ones ie: Murry, Mury,Murrey, with no success. I wonder if it is a phonetic situation that I am unfamiliar with.

    05/12/2018 11:12:35
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Re: Admin Post Please Read
    2. Rhonda Flowers
    3. Hello Dee From a sunny afternoon in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney. I am posting my interest in the following surnames: Garden Forbes Young Gray Gordon Hannah Garden my great great grandmother born c1811. Mother Jean Young lived in Portsoy. Arrested in company with those above for stealing clothes as the group roamed throughout the countryside from Aberdeen to Portsoy. All transported to Australia. Current research indicates that the group were "Celtic Travellers" that is gypsies/tinkers? I would be thrilled to hear from anyone who knows anything about Hannah and her group. Best wishes Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: Dee via SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS <scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018 1:13 PM To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Cc: Dee <pcmom@aol.com> Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Admin Post Please Read Hi everyone! As you may have noticed, Rootsweb mail lists are back on-line! Yay! If you need help navigating the new system: http://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/listsHelp <http://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/listsHelp> I hope everyone will begin utilizing this list and the many others available at Rootsweb. If you have any questions about this list please fee free to send me a message! Have a great day! Dee Admin http://www.genlady.com <http://www.genlady.com/> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:scotland-tinks-hawkers-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=un subscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/scotland-tinks-hawkers@r ootsweb.com/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    04/09/2018 10:04:52
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Admin Post Please Read
    2. Dee
    3. Hi everyone! As you may have noticed, Rootsweb mail lists are back on-line! Yay! If you need help navigating the new system: http://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/listsHelp <http://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/listsHelp> I hope everyone will begin utilizing this list and the many others available at Rootsweb. If you have any questions about this list please fee free to send me a message! Have a great day! Dee Admin http://www.genlady.com <http://www.genlady.com/>

    04/09/2018 09:12:49
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] (no subject)
    2. Joss Cameron via
    3. josscameron1@yahoo.co.uk

    08/25/2014 08:24:26
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] List Admin Post - please read
    2. Dee Pavey
    3. Hi everyone! My name is Dee and I'm the admin for this list. Please take a minute to review our list guidelines (what few we have) at http://www.genlady.com/2000/07/30/mail-list-guidelines If you ever have any questions about the list, please feel free to contact me privately. Have a wonderful day! Happy Hunting! Dee GenLady http://www.genlady.com Kentuckiana Genealogy http://www.kentuckianagenealogy.org

    07/30/2012 07:45:15
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers
    2. Jan James
    3. Thank you very much Barbara. If you get on to Scotlands Gypsies site, it will tell you about the FAA/FARR family. My Grt Grt Gran mother was a FARR- Jan -----Original Message----- From: scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb in BC Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 5:01 PM To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers HI, I am interested in the gypsies too In one of my grandfathers' ( John Harper) letters from Traquair, he mentioned he was going to visit his cousin in the Gypsy Wintering grounds , a few miles below Traquair. My Father said he had a grandmother that was "FA", which I later learned was a surname I was told. The Travellers went from Peebles area to Dumfries and Galloway, depending on the weather. They mended pots and did odd jobs to make a little money. If you go on the GOOGLE search place it brings up many sites that research the gypsies. Hope this helps. Barb in BC blogan@shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan James" <janjames1@westnet.com.au> To: <SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers > Hello List- I am researching Gypsy/Travellers/ Hawkers who came to > Australia both Bond & Free. I know very little about the surnames of > Scotland's Gypsy people and so this makes the search difficult. If anyone > can help by providing surnames or sites, I would be grateful- Jan JAMES > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/11/2011 12:37:26
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers
    2. Barb in BC
    3. HI, I am interested in the gypsies too In one of my grandfathers' ( John Harper) letters from Traquair, he mentioned he was going to visit his cousin in the Gypsy Wintering grounds , a few miles below Traquair. My Father said he had a grandmother that was "FA", which I later learned was a surname I was told. The Travellers went from Peebles area to Dumfries and Galloway, depending on the weather. They mended pots and did odd jobs to make a little money. If you go on the GOOGLE search place it brings up many sites that research the gypsies. Hope this helps. Barb in BC blogan@shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan James" <janjames1@westnet.com.au> To: <SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers > Hello List- I am researching Gypsy/Travellers/ Hawkers who came to > Australia both Bond & Free. I know very little about the surnames of > Scotland's Gypsy people and so this makes the search difficult. If anyone > can help by providing surnames or sites, I would be grateful- Jan JAMES > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/10/2011 08:01:23
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4
    2. TWMc
    3. Hi Brian Sorry, I'm not sure about the Muir name?? It does seem like I've seen it somewhere in my wanderings. I had gone through all the old messages at this site, and perhaps it was here? It seems like the hawkers were a pretty close group. Do you know the maide name of Ann?? I think my Todd family was also hawkers and travellers, and he and his wife Isabel Anderson were both from England. Then their Son (my GG Granddad) was born in Northumberland, England and had apparently married Helen/Ellen Drummond who was a Scot, either in England or Scotland and had their children in Scotland. I also have been looking quite a bit at the GenForum website messages, and RootsWeb messages, and ancestry.com messages. If I see the name come up again, I'll try to remember to alert you. Thanks!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) From: "Brian" <brian.muir1@ntlworld.com> To: <scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:36:29 -0000 Hi there, I am trying to find information about my great great granddad, James Muir who appears in the 1861 census as living in North Shields in England, occupation hawker, born in Scotland 1810. His wife was Ann, born 1820 in Bath, England Brian Muir Leeds -----Original Message----- From: scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 25 December 2010 08:01 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for (Barb in BC) 2. Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 (Peter R. McNaughton) 3. Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 (TWMc) 4. Re: Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 (FIONA MACDONALD) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:46:20 -0800 From: "Barb in BC" <blogan@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for To: <scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <37A3AAA4D6544DA1A4F1C1BF1640905A@BarbPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a tip. This sounds like the Gypsies. You might search the gypsy sites for the name. I have a minor connection to the gypsys of Scotland Barb in BC. blogan@shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "TWMc" <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> To: <SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers,hawkers, and ancestry for > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a > lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will > respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts > at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my > emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I > believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen > Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her > parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not > sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, > but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. > Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed > hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, > born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all > for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be > able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at > IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the > actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as > 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all > show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a > hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at > 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I > thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. > I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method > of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Rates at 2.8% $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d161c8fa97938d68f9st04vuc

    12/25/2010 09:30:19
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4
    2. Brian
    3. Hi there, I am trying to find information about my great great granddad, James Muir who appears in the 1861 census as living in North Shields in England, occupation hawker, born in Scotland 1810. His wife was Ann, born 1820 in Bath, England Brian Muir Leeds -----Original Message----- From: scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 25 December 2010 08:01 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for (Barb in BC) 2. Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 (Peter R. McNaughton) 3. Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 (TWMc) 4. Re: Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 (FIONA MACDONALD) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:46:20 -0800 From: "Barb in BC" <blogan@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for To: <scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <37A3AAA4D6544DA1A4F1C1BF1640905A@BarbPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a tip. This sounds like the Gypsies. You might search the gypsy sites for the name. I have a minor connection to the gypsys of Scotland Barb in BC. blogan@shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "TWMc" <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> To: <SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers,hawkers, and ancestry for > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a > lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will > respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts > at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my > emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I > believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen > Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her > parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not > sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, > but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. > Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed > hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, > born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all > for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be > able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at > IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the > actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as > 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all > show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a > hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at > 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I > thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. > I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method > of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d13fa3ee151087f95bst03vuc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:53:04 -0500 From: "Peter R. McNaughton" <info@rossion.com> Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4D14B3D0.6010400@rossion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If they came from Strathearn you may wish to have a look at www.highlandstrathearn.com. Whilst they have the name Drummond they may in fact originally have been McGegors. They changed their names after the proscription on the clan! Peter On 24/12/2010 3:00 AM, scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alexander Drummond& Family basketmakers, hawkers, and > ancestry for (TWMc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:39:44 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond& Family > basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for > To: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101223.173944.18724.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d13fa3ee151087f95bst03vuc > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS list administrator, send an email to > SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS mailing list, send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 > **************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:14:07 GMT From: "TWMc" <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20101224.081407.5827.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Peter Thanks so much for the post!! Our Family History handed down has always indicated our family had MacGregor heritage. They indicated we had a connection to Rob Roy, but seems a lot of people try to hand down that connection. My Great Grandmother's marrriage record indicated her Mother's maiden name was Drummond, and most records I've found for her show the same. I do now understand what happened during the proscription, and seems a lot continued with the Drummond name. I do know one of my Great Grandmother's Brothers had a middle name of McGregor. On my Great Grandmother's death record, it indicated her Mother's maiden name as McGregory but likely intended as McGregor. Now, it seems they may have been Gypsies, which makes me wonder about a connection to MacGregors?? My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond/McGregor and she married Matthew Todd. Matthew was from Northumberland County, England. It seems his Father was a potter, and seemed he may have travelled to sell pottery. Matthew is a stone ware merchant on the 1841 Scotland census, and I believe shown as a "traveller" on the 1851 Scotland census. In Ontario he was a horse trader. That all seems to fit the Gypsy lifestyle also? Matthew and Helen/Ellen Todd had all their children in Scotland, before immigrating to Ontario probably around 1855. I'll take a look at the website you suggest. Thanks so much!!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Peter R. McNaughton" <info@rossion.com> To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:53:04 -0500 If they came from Strathearn you may wish to have a look at www.highlandstrathearn.com. Whilst they have the name Drummond they may in fact originally have been McGegors. They changed their names after the proscription on the clan! Peter On 24/12/2010 3:00 AM, scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alexander Drummond& Family basketmakers, hawkers, and > ancestry for (TWMc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:39:44 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond& Family > basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for > To: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101223.173944.18724.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d14c73a63faf3045e9st05vuc ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:03:13 +0000 (GMT) From: FIONA MACDONALD <fionac.macdonald@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <117223.77182.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If anyone has ancestors from the Moray area of Scotland, Libindx Moray (Morayshire Genealogical Archive) is a great place to look.? Another is the site www.ambaile.org - then search in the newspaper archives.? Lastly, the Scottish National Archives have an online search and using tinker, hawker, traveller or the like brings up a host of interesting data. ? Regards fiona --- On Fri, 24/12/10, TWMc <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> wrote: From: TWMc <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 24 December, 2010, 16:14 Hi Peter Thanks so much for the post!! Our Family History handed down has always indicated our family had MacGregor heritage. They indicated we had a connection to Rob Roy, but seems a lot of people try to hand down that connection. My Great Grandmother's marrriage record indicated her Mother's maiden name was Drummond, and most records I've found for her show the same. I do now understand what happened during the proscription, and seems a lot continued with the Drummond name. I do know one of my Great Grandmother's Brothers had a middle name of McGregor. On my Great Grandmother's death record, it indicated her Mother's maiden name as McGregory but likely intended as McGregor. Now, it seems they may have been Gypsies, which makes me wonder about a connection to MacGregors?? My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond/McGregor and she married Matthew Todd. Matthew was from Northumberland County, England. It seems his Father was a potter, and seemed he may have travelled to sell pottery. Matthew is a stone ware merchant on the 1841 Scotland census, and I believe shown as a "traveller" on the 1851 Scotland census. In Ontario he was a horse trader. That all seems to fit the Gypsy lifestyle also? Matthew and Helen/Ellen Todd had all their children in Scotland, before immigrating to Ontario probably around 1855. I'll take a look at the website you suggest. Thanks so much!!!? Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Peter R. McNaughton" <info@rossion.com> To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:53:04 -0500 If they came from Strathearn you may wish to have a look at www.highlandstrathearn.com. Whilst they have the name Drummond they may in fact originally have been McGegors. They changed their names after the proscription on the clan! Peter On 24/12/2010 3:00 AM, scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > >? ???1. Alexander Drummond&? Family basketmakers, hawkers, and >? ? ? ? ancestry for (TWMc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:39:44 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond&? Family > basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for > To: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101223.173944.18724.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818.? I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d14c73a63faf3045e9st05vuc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS list administrator, send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    12/25/2010 08:36:29
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
    2. FIONA MACDONALD
    3. If anyone has ancestors from the Moray area of Scotland, Libindx Moray (Morayshire Genealogical Archive) is a great place to look.  Another is the site www.ambaile.org - then search in the newspaper archives.  Lastly, the Scottish National Archives have an online search and using tinker, hawker, traveller or the like brings up a host of interesting data.   Regards fiona --- On Fri, 24/12/10, TWMc <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> wrote: From: TWMc <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 24 December, 2010, 16:14 Hi Peter Thanks so much for the post!! Our Family History handed down has always indicated our family had MacGregor heritage. They indicated we had a connection to Rob Roy, but seems a lot of people try to hand down that connection. My Great Grandmother's marrriage record indicated her Mother's maiden name was Drummond, and most records I've found for her show the same. I do now understand what happened during the proscription, and seems a lot continued with the Drummond name. I do know one of my Great Grandmother's Brothers had a middle name of McGregor. On my Great Grandmother's death record, it indicated her Mother's maiden name as McGregory but likely intended as McGregor. Now, it seems they may have been Gypsies, which makes me wonder about a connection to MacGregors?? My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond/McGregor and she married Matthew Todd. Matthew was from Northumberland County, England. It seems his Father was a potter, and seemed he may have travelled to sell pottery. Matthew is a stone ware merchant on the 1841 Scotland census, and I believe shown as a "traveller" on the 1851 Scotland census. In Ontario he was a horse trader. That all seems to fit the Gypsy lifestyle also? Matthew and Helen/Ellen Todd had all their children in Scotland, before immigrating to Ontario probably around 1855. I'll take a look at the website you suggest. Thanks so much!!!  Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Peter R. McNaughton" <info@rossion.com> To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:53:04 -0500 If they came from Strathearn you may wish to have a look at www.highlandstrathearn.com. Whilst they have the name Drummond they may in fact originally have been McGegors. They changed their names after the proscription on the clan! Peter On 24/12/2010 3:00 AM, scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > >     1. Alexander Drummond&  Family basketmakers, hawkers, and >        ancestry for (TWMc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:39:44 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond&  Family > basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for > To: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101223.173944.18724.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818.  I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d14c73a63faf3045e9st05vuc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/24/2010 10:03:13
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Fw: Re: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
    2. TWMc
    3. Hi Peter Thanks so much for the post!! Our Family History handed down has always indicated our family had MacGregor heritage. They indicated we had a connection to Rob Roy, but seems a lot of people try to hand down that connection. My Great Grandmother's marrriage record indicated her Mother's maiden name was Drummond, and most records I've found for her show the same. I do now understand what happened during the proscription, and seems a lot continued with the Drummond name. I do know one of my Great Grandmother's Brothers had a middle name of McGregor. On my Great Grandmother's death record, it indicated her Mother's maiden name as McGregory but likely intended as McGregor. Now, it seems they may have been Gypsies, which makes me wonder about a connection to MacGregors?? My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond/McGregor and she married Matthew Todd. Matthew was from Northumberland County, England. It seems his Father was a potter, and seemed he may have travelled to sell pottery. Matthew is a stone ware merchant on the 1841 Scotland census, and I believe shown as a "traveller" on the 1851 Scotland census. In Ontario he was a horse trader. That all seems to fit the Gypsy lifestyle also? Matthew and Helen/Ellen Todd had all their children in Scotland, before immigrating to Ontario probably around 1855. I'll take a look at the website you suggest. Thanks so much!!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Peter R. McNaughton" <info@rossion.com> To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:53:04 -0500 If they came from Strathearn you may wish to have a look at www.highlandstrathearn.com. Whilst they have the name Drummond they may in fact originally have been McGegors. They changed their names after the proscription on the clan! Peter On 24/12/2010 3:00 AM, scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alexander Drummond& Family basketmakers, hawkers, and > ancestry for (TWMc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:39:44 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond& Family > basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for > To: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101223.173944.18724.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d14c73a63faf3045e9st05vuc

    12/24/2010 09:14:07
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
    2. Peter R. McNaughton
    3. If they came from Strathearn you may wish to have a look at www.highlandstrathearn.com. Whilst they have the name Drummond they may in fact originally have been McGegors. They changed their names after the proscription on the clan! Peter On 24/12/2010 3:00 AM, scotland-tinks-hawkers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alexander Drummond& Family basketmakers, hawkers, and > ancestry for (TWMc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:39:44 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond& Family > basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for > To: SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101223.173944.18724.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d13fa3ee151087f95bst03vuc > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS list administrator, send an email to > SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS mailing list, send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 > ****************************************************

    12/24/2010 02:53:04
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for
    2. Barb in BC
    3. Just a tip. This sounds like the Gypsies. You might search the gypsy sites for the name. I have a minor connection to the gypsys of Scotland Barb in BC. blogan@shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "TWMc" <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> To: <SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers,hawkers, and ancestry for > I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a > lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will > respond. > I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts > at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my > emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I > believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. > Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen > Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her > parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not > sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, > but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? > On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. > Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed > hawker, and china merchant. > I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, > born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all > for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be > able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at > IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the > actual birth records from Scotland's People. > On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as > 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all > show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a > hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at > 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I > thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? > Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. > I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method > of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d13fa3ee151087f95bst03vuc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/23/2010 06:46:20
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Alexander Drummond & Family basketmakers, hawkers, and ancestry for
    2. TWMc
    3. I'm hoping someone is still on this list?? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of action for awhile, so maybe I can get it started, if some will respond. I see there was a Jim Drummond here in 2001 and 2002. I've seen his posts at other websites also during those years. I'd hoped to reach him, but my emails to him bounced. Does anyone know how to reach him if possible? I believe I'm researching the same Drummond family he descends from. Otherwise, I'll explain what I have. My GG Grandmother was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in Scotland in 1800. I believe I've now found her parent's were an Alexander Drummond and a Helen Dewar/Dyet/Dyer. I'm not sure which name is right for Helen. Records seem to show Dyet and Dyer, but I have reason to think it might be Dewar? On my Helen Drummond's birth record it shows Alexander was a basket maker. Then on other records I've found him as a hawker, Chapman hawker, licensed hawker, and china merchant. I've seen ten children who seemed to be attributed to Alexander and Helen, born in a lot of different places. However, I'm not sure if they're all for the same couple? Birth dates varied from 1796 to 1818. I'd like to be able to tie it together if they do all belong together. I found these at IGI, so would seem some might be missing also? I do have some of the actual birth records from Scotland's People. On the 1841 census I found an Alexander and Helen Drummond (both show as 80 years old), and a Daughter Elizabeth (31 years) is with them. They all show as licensed hawkers. There are also some Anderson's with one who is a hawker. Also, I've seen a death record for Helen (Dyer) Drummond died at 82 in 1845, husband of Alexander Drummond who was a Chapman pedler. I thought this Helen seemed a little old to have a child in 1818, but??? Very interested in hearing from someone who may know about this ancestry. I'd be glad to explain more. Also, interested in hearing more about method of travel, way of life, etc. for this type of traveler/sales. Thanks so much!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Rates at 2.8% $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d13fa3ee151087f95bst03vuc

    12/23/2010 06:39:44
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers
    2. Jan James
    3. Thanks so much for your comments and the info. I will try at my library- Jan -----Original Message----- From: scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotland-tinks-hawkers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nollymor@aol.com Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2010 7:50 PM To: scotland-tinks-hawkers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers Hi Jan for a start Scottish tinkers are not considered Gypsies although some have a lot of Gypsy connections. Some of the common names to look for are Stewarts, Williamson, Young,Whyte, Kelbie but the list is long and the Irish are in there too. You're best to go into some of the traveller sites or start reading the books like Yellow on the Broom by Betsy Whyte or Jessie's Journey by Jess Smith, Famine's Harvest by Mary McKay, Doomsday in the Afternoon, The Summer Walkers, The Horsie Man by Duncan Williamson etc etc etc. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/23/2010 12:53:56
    1. [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers
    2. Jan James
    3. Hello List- I am researching Gypsy/Travellers/ Hawkers who came to Australia both Bond & Free. I know very little about the surnames of Scotland's Gypsy people and so this makes the search difficult. If anyone can help by providing surnames or sites, I would be grateful- Jan JAMES

    01/23/2010 06:35:36
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers
    2. Hi Jan maybe if you got in touch with me on my own email I could point you in the right direction. I'm _nollymor@aol.com_ (mailto:nollymor@aol.com) if you want to get in touch Mary

    01/22/2010 11:58:41
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Gypsies Hawkers Tinkers
    2. Hi Jan for a start Scottish tinkers are not considered Gypsies although some have a lot of Gypsy connections. Some of the common names to look for are Stewarts, Williamson, Young,Whyte, Kelbie but the list is long and the Irish are in there too. You're best to go into some of the traveller sites or start reading the books like Yellow on the Broom by Betsy Whyte or Jessie's Journey by Jess Smith, Famine's Harvest by Mary McKay, Doomsday in the Afternoon, The Summer Walkers, The Horsie Man by Duncan Williamson etc etc etc.

    01/22/2010 11:50:00
    1. Re: [SCOTLAND-TINKS-HAWKERS] Long/ Power
    2. Joan Lang
    3. Hi Gail, I too have been off the net for some weeks as I had a stroke and complications. Lillian'email is lilliankerr@btinternet.com. Am sure John would send you copies of pedigree. My son deleted your msg so sometime send me your photo site again please. Yours Joan

    04/17/2008 02:59:24