Carolyn asked Allan, > > do you by any chance know where Helen Robertson was born. I have an Emma > Robertson who was born around 1877 to James Robertson & Emma McBeth/ > McBeath. I think they were from Glasgow but haven't found them in LDS. If you've not done so already, look for your family in the Census Index, 1881. Emma2's age and birth parish should be shown, that will narrow the search and maybe save costs. The IGI isn't very effective for dates as recent as 1877. You might do better on ORIGINS, or use a professional researcher. I guess you've failed to find James' marriage in the IGI. If James/Emma didn't emigrate, then by consulting their deaths entries, you should see the names of Helen's four grandparents, including mothers' maiden surnames. Cheers............ ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC acameron@hinet.net.au **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ**