Betty, My great-grandmother came over from Glasgow, 30 Sept 1887, to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on the S S MANITOBAN. The following data is the only info I have been able to find about the ship, and I have abridged it. The original text can be found on: http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipno.htm Someone named Ted Finch sent it and cites his source as NORTH ATLANTIC SEAWAY by N.R.P. BONSOR, vol 1, p 312. [It is listed as the OTTAWA 2, not the MANITOBAN.] The ship was initially known as the OTTAWA (2) and was built in 1865 for the British Colonial Steamship Co of London. Launched 13 May 1865, she sailed from London on her maiden voyage to to Quebec-Montreal. In 1866, she she made a single trip from Copenhagen to Gothenburg, Christiansand and New York. On 24 Mar, 1867, she made a voyage from Antwerp to New York under charter to the US/Belgian co, Hiller & Strauss, and made her 3rd and final trip for them on 24 June,1867.She was purchased in 1868 by the Allan line of Liverpool, and sailed from Glasgow to Quebec and Montreal. At this time she had only accomodation for 25 First class and steerage passengers. She was also rigged for 3 mast sail. She was rebuilt in 1872 and re-named MANITOBAN and basically traveled between Glasgow and Quebec-Montreal until 1879 when she began Glasgow-Boston runs and in 1884 made her first Glasgow-Philadelphia run. In 1898, she left Alten, Norway for New York with eskimos and reindeer destined for Alaska. On 12 Mar 1898, she made her final voyage between Glasgow and Boston. She was scrapped in 1899. Unfortunately, Mr Finch did not include any 1881 specific activities in his e-mail to this Ship's List. I might add, this particular list is the ONLY one on which I was able to find the MANITOBAN. I paid a professional researcher to find my ggm and was rewarded with her page from the ship's manifest, and the certification of the ship to the Immigration Authority in Philadelphia. On the page where my ggm is listed, the occupations were basically labourer or miner or family and all are from Scotland. The oldest was 50 and the youngest was 2 mos. The average age was 28-34. I know this did not address your question, but perhaps was of some interest, anyway. Lynn In Baltimor MD, USA marylindsay@worldnet.att.net -----Original Message----- From: Betty Wintersteen <BAWWYN@webtv.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:45 PM Subject: 1881 Census In playing around with the CDs again, this time the census listed as Navy, came across a list for the ship "MANITOBAN." there were young boys listed as passengers with the occupation listed as Orphan Home Boy. I have sent an inquiry to the ShipList to see if anyone knows where that ship was headed. The boys were mostly from Glasgow and ranged from age 6 to 18. I will post all of it later. In the meantime, does anyone have any ideas about why these boys were leaving? Or where they were headed? And why? Betty Wintersteen, Ipswich, Massachusetts http://bawwyn@webtv.net - ------------------------------------