Cynthia, I am related to McLellan's from Scotland who settled in Maitland, Nova Scotia. One was a Presbyterian minister, should you find out you are looking for the same people contact me and I will give you what I have. Sandy from Ontario. SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 514 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: IGI data ["L. Bousbaine" <wayland@hotmail.co] > #2 George Murray SIMPSON, b. 1895 Kei [Pat Rossi <grossi@ozemail.com.au>] > #3 Re: Francis RAE & Jean SAUNDERSON ["Wilson" <dwilson@xcelco.on.ca>] > #4 Re: IGI data ["Don and Mary Saban" <dsaban@trib.] > #5 MacLellans [Cynthia McDowell <cynthia_mcdowell] > #6 RE: Details of Birth ["Audrey Bennett" <Audrey_Ann@msn.c] > #7 Re: MacLellans ["Fay Will" <FayWill@leven54.freese] > #8 Re: how to get birthdate? [Jill McKenzie <jmckenzie@jmckenzie] > #9 Fw: You must see this new Web Site ["Eileen@j51.com" <eileen@j51.com>] > #10 Re: MacLellans ["Eileen@j51.com" <eileen@j51.com>] > #11 Kirk Sessions and Scottish Miners [FBarr86833@aol.com] > #12 Are you from ["Annette Pringle" <annettepringle@] > #13 Re: HUTCHISON ["Gloria A McFadden-Goldman" <MCFGO] > > Administrivia: > The Scotland-GenWeb List HOME PAGE: > http://home.earthlink.net/~cmccombs/sctpg.htm > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D, Click here to send a message to > [mailto:SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com] > that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no > other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires > one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: IGI data > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:51:08 BST > From: "L. Bousbaine" <wayland@hotmail.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Thanks to everybody who told me that the 'ABT' in the IGI stands for about. > Unfortunately, I already know that. > > My question is more in terms of what 'about' means in the context of the > IGI. If I find a record that says somebody was born 'about 1782' what does > it mean? Is it basically a blind guess as to when the person was born, > perhaps based on at date of marriage? > > >From there, I was trying to lead into the question - when I come across this > sort of information in the IGI, how do I take it further? By 1800, there are > no census records or official death records to consult and find clues as to > somebody's parents? > > Does anybody have any 'strategy' for working back further? > > Thanks again > > Lesley > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: George Murray SIMPSON, b. 1895 Keith, Banffshire > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:34:24 +1000 > From: Pat Rossi <grossi@ozemail.com.au> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, > > I am researching the SIMPSON family of Keith, Banffshire, Scotland. > George Murray SIMPSON emigrated to Australia c1915 with his parents and > siblings and the family settled in North Queensland. He married > Elizabeth Jane BURKETT of Mackay, North Queensland at Mackay in 1917. > > Anyone with an interest in this SIMPSON line, I would be delighted to > hear from you. > > Regards from the sunny Land of Oz, > > Your eva luvin:- > > Great and Glorious, Gifted and Gushing, Gorgeous and Happy (coz bumsoddy > stuffed up that other good G word) Grand Pooh Bah Patticake > > aka > > PAT ROSSI > Melbourne, Australia. > Using her son's internet account <grossi@ozemail.com.au> and LOVING it!! > > Listowner - ARIA - Australasians Researching their Italian (and > Swiss/Italian) Ancestry. > Listowner - SUFFOLK Mailing List > Listowner - GEN-ITALIAN Mailing List > GENANZ - Second in Command to our beloved Boss Cocky > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Francis RAE & Jean SAUNDERSON > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:48:58 -0400 > From: "Wilson" <dwilson@xcelco.on.ca> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: IGI data > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:09:53 -0600 > From: "Don and Mary Saban" <dsaban@trib.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > In terms of the "abt" in the IGI, I would venture to say that it was a > "guess" based on birth of child, spouse's second marriage, date of marriage. > > What I do in Scotland after I have worked backwards and obtained all the > documentation I can is two fold: 1) try to find death records after 1855 > for those who may have died after 1855 but born in the early 1800's. 2) > order in the Old Parish Records on microfilm and start studying. You will > find marriage banns, baptisms, mortcloth rentals, in some cases burials, > miscellaneous church records. > Using the naming pattern as a guide (and you can verify if later generations > used the naming pattern loosely, strictly, or what), you can build a > "tentative" tree. Cemetery Monument Inscriptions if available help put the > "icing on the cake" so to speak. They help prove or disprove your tentative > tree. > > Other sources: look in the microfiche index for locality and find out what > resources are available for your parish (mostly they are on microfilm). > > These sources may help you get through the 1700's and into the 1690's. > Before that, records are quite scarce. > > Good luck, > > Don and Mary in Wyoming, USA > > > > >Thanks to everybody who told me that the 'ABT' in the IGI stands for about. > >Unfortunately, I already know that. > > > >My question is more in terms of what 'about' means in the context of the > >IGI. If I find a record that says somebody was born 'about 1782' what does > >it mean? Is it basically a blind guess as to when the person was born, > >perhaps based on at date of marriage? > > > >>From there, I was trying to lead into the question - when I come across > this > >sort of information in the IGI, how do I take it further? By 1800, there > are > >no census records or official death records to consult and find clues as to > >somebody's parents? > > > >Does anybody have any 'strategy' for working back further? > > > >Thanks again > > > >Lesley > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > >Hundreds of Scot Urls....... > > http://celt.net/og/angscot3.htm > > http://celt.net/og/angscot2.htm > > http://celt.net/og/angscot.htm > > > >============================== > >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! > > > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: MacLellans > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:37:49 -0700 > From: Cynthia McDowell <cynthia_mcdowell@westernmgmt.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello! I am very excited as my grandfather MACLELLAN has finally decided > to sit down and write out what he remembers about his family. I talked > to my mom over the weekend and he and his cousin have managed to trace > back 5 generations!!, from Nova Scotia to Scotland, including tons of > dates and even such t hings as hospital names etc. So, I do not have > the information yet, it is coming priority post today so I should have > it in a few days. I just wanted to see if there is anyone out there who > might be interested in sharing informatoin on MacLellans. The name used > to be spelled MCCLELLAND, if that helps anyone, and I will likely post > the pertinant information to the list to see if there are any > connections, but would anyone with any McClelland connections please let > me know?? > > Thanks a bunch! > Cynthia McDowell > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: Details of Birth > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:26:29 -0700 > From: "Audrey Bennett" <Audrey_Ann@msn.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Hope I am not duplicating anyone else's answer if I note that the marriage > record will help you narrow down the date of birth by giving the groom's age > at the time of the marriage in 1920. > > You can get this by writing (the old-fashioned way - on paper :) to New > Register House - the info won't be on Origins on-line - tell them what you > know & give a credit card number and they will do the rest. I can supply a > sample letter if you are interested as I was in exactly the same situation > myself. > > The marriage record will also give you the names of parents for both bride & > groom. > > An extract well worth the price! > > best of luck- > Audrey Bennett > Bellevue, WA USA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: michael lonsdale [mailto:lonsdale@globalnet.co.uk] > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 10:01 AM > > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Details of Birth > > > > > > Hi Alec and everybody on the List > > > > Thank you to everydoby for all the information. > > > > Unfortunately we only guessing at a date of birth, he was married > > in 1920 so > > am assuming birth 1890/1900. > > > > Also have no idea of parents names, and place of birth again assuming > > Glasgowas that is were he was married and ran a business so it is going to > > bit a bit Hit & Miss. > > > > We hope to be able to find something that may give us a lead, but > > don't know > > what. > > > > Again many thanks to evreybody for their imput. > > > > Michael > > > > > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: MacLellans > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:16:07 +0100 > From: "Fay Will" <FayWill@leven54.freeserve.co.uk> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello Cynthia, > > I know of a Peter McLellan of Knoydart who married an Ann ? and lived > latterly at Little Dunkeld and then Meigle, both places being in Perthshire. > In 1881 Peter was aged 36. > > Hope this bit might be useful to you. > > Fay Will (Leven, Fife) > e-mail address: faywill@leven54.freeserve.co.uk > > >Hello! I am very excited as my grandfather MACLELLAN has finally decided > >to sit down and write out what he remembers about his family. I talked > >to my mom over the weekend and he and his cousin have managed to trace > >back 5 generations!!, from Nova Scotia to Scotland, including tons of > >dates and even such t hings as hospital names etc. So, I do not have > >the information yet, it is coming priority post today so I should have > >it in a few days. I just wanted to see if there is anyone out there who > >might be interested in sharing informatoin on MacLellans. The name used > >to be spelled MCCLELLAND, if that helps anyone, and I will likely post > >the pertinant information to the list to see if there are any > >connections, but would anyone with any McClelland connections please let > >me know?? > > > >Thanks a bunch! > >Cynthia McDowell > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > >Documentation....The hardest > >part of genealogy. > > > >============================== > >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: how to get birthdate? > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:09:11 +0100 > From: Jill McKenzie <jmckenzie@jmckenzie.demon.co.uk> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > In article <34eb961e.25059e5b@aol.com>, Tparkie@aol.com writes > >In order to get the birthdate, should I send for the marriage record of the > >individual or the birth registration for his child? On which record would I > >be more likely to get the birthdate or age of this man? Thanks for any and > >all thoughts. > > > >Best wishes, > >Janet in USA > >Tparkie@aol.com > > > > I'm pretty sure that only the age in years appears on a marriage or a > death certificate, whereas the birth certificate has the date and time. > > So you won't find someone's date of birth either on his marriage > certificate or the birth certificate of his child, but you will get his > age from the former. > > Hope this helps. > > Jill McKenzie > Glasgow, Scotland > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Fw: You must see this new Web Site! > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:45:06 -0400 > From: "Eileen@j51.com" <eileen@j51.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > www.thegen.com is simply unbelievable!!! > > Eileen Herkes > > >> >From todays Scotsman http://www.scotsman.com/ > >> click on Tech to see this article - I don't know when the > Page is > >> updated but it IS a daily newspaper! :o) It's nearly > 10.30 p.m. in > >> Scotland, so be quick! > >> > ............................................................ > ......... > >> > >> On a clear day you can see Edinburgh Castle from > Elgin > >> > >> ANNA SOMMERVILLE 'WALKS' THE STREETS, > VIRTUALLY > >> > >> THE beauty of the internet for many is that it breaks > down geographical > >> barriers, allowing a flow of information undreamed of > just a few years > >> ago. For the founders of the Gen, however, location is > everything. > >> > >> Paul Burns and Gary Harrison have created a site > (www.thegen.com) where > >> people can "walk" the streets of Edinburgh in such a way > that they will > >> come to know the city before they ever visit it. > >> > >> As the site stands, the duo have used 20,000 photographs > to create > >> panoramic views of the capital so people can now see > where they are > >> going, where their hotel is sited and so on. Harrison > says it gives > >> their site a great advantage over others that offer only > comprehensive > >> lists of information and photographic stills. "Raw > information, lists of > >> hotels, lists of attractions, prices and a brief > description of each one > >> is good, but it is only half the picture." > >> > >> What the Gen has done so successfully is, as he says, > "to spacially > >> relate" information, that is to show how to get to a > museum from your > >> hotel not by looking at a map (although the online one is > detailed) but > >> by "walking" the streets on the website, so you know what > the third turn > >> on the right > >> looks like. > >> > >> Snip > >> > >> their "sideline" does demand an awful lot from > them. They are > >> based at RAF Lossiemouth and have to travel to Edinburgh > to take the > >> photographs. "If you're going to do this sort of thing, > then you've got > >> to be really dedicated," says Harrison. > >> > >> "We're out and about taking pictures at 3:30 in the > morning. People > >> must think we're mad. They see this guy who looks like a > tourist taking > >> 18 pictures of the same spot in Princes Street then > moving five yards > >> down the road and taking another 18. You've got to be > pretty dedicated > >> to do that." > >> > >> SNIP > >> > >> But their efforts have paid off. To test the efficacy of > the site, the > >> duo asked a friend who had never visited Edinburgh to log > on to the net > >> and wander the streets for a while. Then they got him to > drive to > >> Edinburgh. His reaction was: "This is brilliant. I've > been here before." > >> So confident was he of his surroundings that he drove > straight to the > >> place he wanted to go, knew where to park and knew where > the local > >> attractions were. > >> > >> "He was so pleased when he got there," says Harrison. > "It took away all > >> that worry, inexperience and the pain of not knowing > where everything > >> is." > >> > >> It seems that others are enjoying the experience also. > The site is > >> power-hungry and requires Macromedia's Shockwave plug-in. > But despite > >> the fact that it takes more than enough time for people > to get bored > >> waiting for a page to load, Harrison reports that those > who persevere > >> are logging on for 20 to 30 minutes at a time. > >> > >> SNIP > >> > >> Ideally the pair would have liked to build the site to > the > >> specifications that would suit ADSL - asymmetric digital > subscriber > >> line, the broadband technology that uses existing copper > phone lines but > >> which runs many times faster than now. > >> > >> For example, panoramic views that now take 30 seconds or > so to load on > >> the Gen site would, under ADSL, take only three seconds > or so to load. > >> This, says Harrison, would allow them to create a > facility whereby, as > >> viewers loaded one view, the four surrounding it would be > loaded > >> automatically > >> and their walk through the city would be almost > seamless. But they felt > >> it was more important to build a presence online and get > themselves > >> established now as the leading specialists rather than > wait for > >> technology to catch up. > >> > >> SNIP > >> > >> The duo have big plans. "We've got this vision that we > are going to be > >> the Yahoo! of the visual world," says Harrison. "They > started from a > >> very small directory listing and grew and drew in other > people and got > >> bigger and bigger. We see ourselves in two or three > years' time having > >> 14 or 15 > >> cities in our site, all of which are accessed in the > same way." > >> > >> The ideal would be that people with time on their hands > join in with > >> similar projects. The Gen would train them in the > technology, take the > >> resulting photographs and create virtual worlds of other > cities, be they > >> in the UK, Europe or wherever. > >> > >> If these men have their way, then no more will people > turn up to their > >> hotel only to find that it backs on to a building site. > The ultimate > >> tool would be to provide a handheld device. There have > been moves in > >> that direction, but these have been based on map > listings. For the > >> moment, two guys living in Elgin are leading the world > and the last > >> words belong to Harison: "We've been very inventive in > Scotland > >> historically; it would be nice if we could get on the > crest again." > >> > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: MacLellans > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:47:38 -0400 > From: "Eileen@j51.com" <eileen@j51.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Cynthia: > > Oh, you are lucky!! > > Eileen, green with envy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia McDowell <cynthia_mcdowell@westernmgmt.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:34 PM > Subject: MacLellans > > >Hello! I am very excited as my grandfather MACLELLAN has > finally decided > >to sit down and write out what he remembers about his > family. I talked > >to my mom over the weekend and he and his cousin have > managed to trace > >back 5 generations!!, from Nova Scotia to Scotland, > including tons of > >dates and even such t hings as hospital names etc. So, I > do not have > >the information yet, it is coming priority post today so I > should have > >it in a few days. I just wanted to see if there is anyone > out there who > >might be interested in sharing informatoin on MacLellans. > The name used > >to be spelled MCCLELLAND, if that helps anyone, and I will > likely post > >the pertinant information to the list to see if there are > any > >connections, but would anyone with any McClelland > connections please let > >me know?? > > > >Thanks a bunch! > >Cynthia McDowell > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > >Documentation....The hardest > >part of genealogy. > > > >============================== > >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Kirk Sessions and Scottish Miners in 1795 > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:58:56 EDT > From: FBarr86833@aol.com > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > I just read this today, and both subjects are of interest to me, and I am > sure they will be to someone else. > > Ian McIntyre, Dirt & Deity: A life of Robert Burns. > (London: Flamingo, An Imprint of Harper Collins, Publishers, 77-85 Fulham > Palace Road, Hammersmith, London W7 9JP, 1995), > > pp. 10-11.....Kirk Sessions - 1759 > > “Power lay with the Kirk Session, composed usually of the minister and two or > more elders, and this lowest form of ecclesiastical court exercised functions > not unlike those later assigned under totalitarian regimes to ‘the Party,” > from the primitive administration of poor relief to the determined pursuit of > fornication. It issued certificates of good character to parishioners moving > elsewhere and send out vigilante patrols on the Sabbath in search of > defectors from worship. To fodder horses or put out nets - even to be caught > gazing idly out of the window - was to invite a fine. Nor were the clergy > above the law. At New Mocker, in Aberdeenshire, the minister was hauled > before the Presbytery for powdering his wig on the Lord’s Day.” > > p. 5, fn 1....Scottish miners - 1759 > > “The men and women who worked in Scottish mines, although their wages were > relatively high, lived in conditions approximating to legal serfdom. If a it > was sold, they became the property of the new owner; infants were sometimes > bound to the coal master for life at the time of baptisms. The masters were > obliged in return to keep them all their days, in sickness and old age - and > to provide a coffin for their burial. This extraordinary state of affairs, > sanction by Scots law since 1606, was not fully remedied until the last year > of the century.” > > dick barr > Syracuse, New York > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Are you from > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:32:14 +1200 > From: "Annette Pringle" <annettepringle@ozemail.com.au> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Pat Rossi > > Are you from Innisfail Qld and related to Betty Rossi? If so permission requested from listowner for Pat to e-mail me privately. > > Sorry listers this is a bit off topic but very short > > Annette from Dubbo NSW > annettepringle@ozemail.com.au > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: HUTCHISON > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:58:52 -0700 > From: "Gloria A McFadden-Goldman" <MCFGOLD@prodigy.net> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello, > I am searching for the names of the parents and siblings of THOMAS > HUTCHISON born about 1810 at an area that is now Edinburgh. THOMAS married > JEAN WYLIE in 1832. They had five children, non whom left any descendants. > THOMAS HUTCHISON built a mansion in 1850 and called it Carlowrie Castle. > Their second daughter ISOBEL WYLIE HUTCHISON was born 1888 in Carlowrie > and died in Carlowrie in 1982. ISOBEL wrote stories of Scotland in the > 30's and 40's. They were published in the 'National Geographic'. > I would appreciate any information that any of you out there can give me on > these ancestors. > Thanking you in advance. > Gloria Hutchison-McFadden-Goldman from the Great Pacific Northwest