I have been searching for a few years now for my 6th great grandfathers parents. His name was William Morris and the history books state he was born in Liverpool, England on January 1, 1722 and he stated his parents were from Scotland. I haven't had any luck whatsoever finding anything as far as birth records in Liverpool. William came to the US when he was 12 as a stowaway. I have my other side traced back to the Kings of Scotland but cannot find anything about this Morris family.

Hi--I was always told that my gggrandmother's name was Sophia Drummond. But now I find that on census and marriage documents, they have her name as Sophia Drummer and Drummers. I have also located possible relatives nearby who were named R., Ales, Alex and Alexander Drimmie/Drummie. These census and marriage records were in 1860-1875 Nebraska. What we do know for sure is that she came from England (it's possible that she was born in Hammersmith) to Nebraska in 1869 as a nanny to the Gardner/Binns family. She married Thomas Coppinger in 1876, and had two children that lived: Richard Thomas and Maude Emily. On most of the censuses, she says that she was born in England, as were her mother and father. On the 1920 census, however, it says her father was born in Scotland and spoke Scottish. We do know that Mrs. Binns went to England in 1891, and returned with S. G. Drummond, female domestic, born in Scotland, whose point of destination was New York. S.G. may have been a relative to Sophia, but we can't know for sure. I feel more comfortable with the Drummies/Drummys, since they were located in or near the various Coppinger households in the various censuses. I would like to know whether or not it is possible that Drummond, Drimmie (probably a spelling error, since in several later censuses, it is spelled Drummy/Drummie), Drummy, Drummie, Drummer and Drummers could all be one clan or family. Or should I start looking under different surname message boards? Thanks so much for any help SKS can offer. Nancy

Have you heard of Pier 21 in Halifax? Bruce Creighton from Halifax, Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: <JuRothwell@aol.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: [ScotlandGenWeb] Ships in WW2 > Hello listers, > I too, am interested in ships to Canada but during WW2. I have lots of > general information but am looking for a specific ship that left on 7 Aug. > 1941 from Glasgow in a convoy to Halifax. I'd appreciate any suggestions as > to where to search. > Thanks > Judith >

Hello listers, I too, am interested in ships to Canada but during WW2. I have lots of general information but am looking for a specific ship that left on 7 Aug. 1941 from Glasgow in a convoy to Halifax. I'd appreciate any suggestions as to where to search. Thanks Judith

At The Olive Tree Genealogy, there is a page on the section of Ships Passenger Lists To Canada, which explains what lists are available at the National Archives of Canada (NAC) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml There are a few lists pertaining to British-subsidized immigration schemes for the period 1817-1831. These are found in Colonial Office Records,Groups 384 & 385. This set of records is correspondence of the Secretary of State on immigration for 1817-1857. There are 60 reels of microfilm for Vols 1-99. There are lists of immigrants, and entry books re immigration, and assisted emigration to British North America. These must be ordered offline . Details are given at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml Passenger lists before 1865 weren't required, and are sometimes difficult to find. On TheShipsList website there are ship arrivals extracted from contemporary newspapers. See http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/vessels.html You can also try inGeneas, the online searchable database of early immigration to Canada. Some records are free, others must be paid for, but the search and it's results are free http://www.ingeneas.com/ There are some lists to Canada pre 1865 on The Olive Tree Genealogy. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml You should also see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml This explains what's available and where it can be found This page includes links to two Special Collections re Passengers to Canada pre 1865 If you want to search online, you may have limited success because only a very small percentage of ships to Canada have been transcribed and put online. However here are two search engines to make your search time more efficient (and hopefully more successful!) Both these search engines search dozens of websites at once. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml and http://www.searchforancestors.com/records/passenger_tocanada.html Good luck Kathi > > Seeking passenger list info on the following emigrant ships from Scotland > to > > Pictou, 1801: > > > > Ship, Alexander, 1801, no other info. > > Ship, Good Intent, 1801, Aberdeen, 3 mos. passage. > > Ship, Hope of Lossiemouth, 1801, 72 tons, Isle Martin, 100 passengers from > > Strathglass. > > Ship, Nora, 1801, Ft. William 16 weeks passage, 500 passengers, 65 > children > > died from small pox. > > > > any assistance on the above named ships is GREATLY appreciated in advance > by > > myself and other researchers who have been looking for the other ships > that > > arrived in Pictou in 1801 besides the Sarah and the Dove!! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dianne McLean > > > > > > >

Hi Dianne, I've been searching for the ship Nora for a long time with no luck. I was home in Scotland in 1994 and visited the museum in Fort William, the only thing they had there was a small reference to the ship with no passenger list. If you do ever come across a list I would be very happy to hear about it. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "mclean" <mclean@citlink.net> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: [ScotlandGenWeb] Need ship info > Seeking passenger list info on the following emigrant ships from Scotland to > Pictou, 1801: > > Ship, Alexander, 1801, no other info. > Ship, Good Intent, 1801, Aberdeen, 3 mos. passage. > Ship, Hope of Lossiemouth, 1801, 72 tons, Isle Martin, 100 passengers from > Strathglass. > Ship, Nora, 1801, Ft. William 16 weeks passage, 500 passengers, 65 children > died from small pox. > > any assistance on the above named ships is GREATLY appreciated in advance by > myself and other researchers who have been looking for the other ships that > arrived in Pictou in 1801 besides the Sarah and the Dove!! > > Thanks! > > Dianne McLean > > >

Hi, Dianne. I see your a Mclean looking for info in Pictou. I am also searching for McLeans. I am searching for more information that you may be able to help. Barabara McLean(b.1837), d/o Alexander McLean and Henrietta McLennan, married John Fraser (b.1824), s/o Alexander Fraser and Mary Gordon. Do you have Barbara in your database? thank you Bruce Creighton ----- Original Message ----- From: "mclean" <mclean@citlink.net> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: [ScotlandGenWeb] Need ship info > Seeking passenger list info on the following emigrant ships from Scotland to > Pictou, 1801: > > Ship, Alexander, 1801, no other info. > Ship, Good Intent, 1801, Aberdeen, 3 mos. passage. > Ship, Hope of Lossiemouth, 1801, 72 tons, Isle Martin, 100 passengers from > Strathglass. > Ship, Nora, 1801, Ft. William 16 weeks passage, 500 passengers, 65 children > died from small pox. > > any assistance on the above named ships is GREATLY appreciated in advance by > myself and other researchers who have been looking for the other ships that > arrived in Pictou in 1801 besides the Sarah and the Dove!! > > Thanks! > > Dianne McLean > > >

Seeking passenger list info on the following emigrant ships from Scotland to Pictou, 1801: Ship, Alexander, 1801, no other info. Ship, Good Intent, 1801, Aberdeen, 3 mos. passage. Ship, Hope of Lossiemouth, 1801, 72 tons, Isle Martin, 100 passengers from Strathglass. Ship, Nora, 1801, Ft. William 16 weeks passage, 500 passengers, 65 children died from small pox. any assistance on the above named ships is GREATLY appreciated in advance by myself and other researchers who have been looking for the other ships that arrived in Pictou in 1801 besides the Sarah and the Dove!! Thanks! Dianne McLean

Hi I have looked at the parish register films for Coldstream and Kelso at the LDS Family History library and I was surprised at the number of marriages recorded for couples not of that parish, and taken by non Church of Scotland ministers. There have been indexes produced for some areas but I do not have details. Have you checked the CD at the LDS FHL of Scottish Church records ? As these are only indexes you need to check the original film record as well. Hope this helps Margaret Pool, NZ

Could SKS please help me. I am looking for Thomas RUSSELL and his wife Mary FOR(R)ESTER in the 1841 Dundee census. Thank you so very much for your help. Mandy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Only a suggestion, thought you would rather get the information as soon as possible rather than wait around for someone to match up with you. It's your choice. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Creighton" <bncreighton@accesswave.ca> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [ScotlandGenWeb] Archives swap time why when I can swap time with someone? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Bradley" <raybethb@campsie9.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [ScotlandGenWeb] Archives swap time > Bruce, > you can access the General Records Office database by logging into > www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > and pay £6.00 for thirty credits. You can download Birth and death > certificates and the 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census. Hope this helps. > Beth Bradley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Creighton" <bncreighton@accesswave.ca> > To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:31 PM > Subject: [ScotlandGenWeb] Archives swap time > > > > Hello. > > I am looking for information in the Scottish Archives, but living in > Canada makes it very difficult. I have the extract number, year and > name of the individuals. One item is a birth record, another is a > marriage record. > > > > I am willing to swap time for time. The individual does time for me > at the Scottish Archives and I will do work for them here in Nova > Scotia, Canada. > > > > Thank you for your time > > Bruce Creighton > > > > ______________________________ >

Are you the Mary Inglis who was asking questions about marriage on the Fife list about 3 years ago? Well historically the situation hasn't changed, but here is a short answer for the benefit of those who haven't got the originals. It is however not that difficult to go to the Rootsweb archives and see what information there is there. There was quite a long discussion on Marriage in 2000. While today Gretna is the centre of an extremely busy marriage industry, the origins of the place are that there is a difference in the marriage law between Scotland and England. Historically (up until 1940), one could be married by declaration. In other words, if you said that you were married you were. In Scotland the woman is not a chattel - hence the woman is not given in marriage, and it was possible for someone to be married in Scotland without parental consent. While it is only Gretna which has the reputation for runaway weddings, anywhere there was a community along the Border was a place where these irregular marriages took place, thus they also took place at Coldstream, and there was somewhere else. The reason why the marriage trade usually took place in blacksmiths smithies was that these were the equivalent of motorway service stations of their day. So think of the situation. The rogue from England running off with the besotted heiress. As the father won't give permission they can't get married in England (the English marriage law was changed in the 18th Century to keep heiresses safe). They come up to the border, and grab the first person they meet, and tell them that they are married, or if there is time, they go through a form of marriage done by a local who is cashing in on the situation. I ask you therefore are there likely to be records? Today of course people get married in Gretna because it is "Romantic" I would refer you to the very full reply on marriage which I made to this list on 23rd September 2000, a section of which I reproduce below. I think, I should risk going off topic on a short review of Marriage in Scotland. There are three alternative views of marriage. 1. One can take the view of Roman law, and decide that mutual consent constituted marriage. 2. One could take a tribal notion and consider that marriage consisted of handing over the bride by her father 3. One could take the view that the matter of marriage was that sexual intercourse was the decisive factor. While these would seem to be clear alternatives, in practice there is a mixture of more than one of these ideas. For example one of the requirements for a valid marriage in the view of the Roman Church is that the marriage has been consummated. Because Scottish law is founded upon Roman Law there is no question of any giving by the parent in the service. A Scottish wedding does not have the words, "Who gives this woman to be married to this man". A Bride may come up the aisle on her Father's arm, but he merely leaves her beside the Groom. Scottish law has never demanded parental permission for a marriage Incidentally a religious wedding in Scotland may be celebrated anywhere. The core of the wedding is "As a seal of the vows you are about to make take each other by the right hand" The vows - which have do not include a promise to obey are then exchanged. The earliest Scottish reformed form (Knox 1556) goes "that you have takyn and are now content to haue". In Scotland therefore consent is the key. The Kirk seemed to believe in consent and publicity , though it was estimated by 19th Century commentators that at least a third of 18th Century Scottish marriages were irregular. Prior to 1 July 1940 a promise to marry followed by sexual intercourse was a valid marriage in Scots Law. (Subsequente copula), as was a declaration before witnesses. (per verba de praesenti). Perhaps the best comment on the situation of marriages in Scotland was made by Lord Hailes in 1772. "All the European nations, Scotland excepted, have departed from the more ancient common law, and have required the interposition either of Church or of State to validate a marriage. Thus what was the law of all Europe, while Europe was barbarous, is now the law of Scotland only, when Europe has become civilized". Those who are interested in the topic of marriage can address themselves to the report of the Royal Commission on the topic which was set up in 1865. Edward Andrews Mary Inglis Sims wrote: > Is there an index to the early marriages in Gretna Green where it is > said Scottish couples went to be married to avoid the bans in their > local church? > > Mary Inglis > >

Hi listers can anyone help me. I have just organised a baby sitter and paid my 6 pounds on ther plastic to start downloading those records from the SRO in Scotland, I got my 30 credits OK, and then did a search, tired to look the search results, got an error message, which looked like was reting & trying again, so I back spaced, looked at my credits now 13, tried again same deal credits now 7, checked everything, checking the online help, checked the FAQ forum (after joining it). So rechecked everything altered my searcity level although the previous test said ok, same result, this time I cut & paste the error to a Word doc, I know have 3 credits. Can anyone give some help here. The SRO bods are still in bed, I want to maximise my sitter time, I am a working solo Dad, time and money are an issue for me. here is the error message: Warning: OCIStmtExecute: ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [6002], [6], [25], [1], [0], [], [], [] in /webdocs/httpd/htdocs/subscribers.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/php/globals/functions.php on line 129 Thanks for reading this, thanks heaps if you understand this and can help. cheers John New Zealand __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Bruce, you can access the General Records Office database by logging into www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and pay £6.00 for thirty credits. You can download Birth and death certificates and the 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census. Hope this helps. Beth Bradley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Creighton" <bncreighton@accesswave.ca> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: [ScotlandGenWeb] Archives swap time > Hello. > I am looking for information in the Scottish Archives, but living in Canada makes it very difficult. I have the extract number, year and name of the individuals. One item is a birth record, another is a marriage record. > > I am willing to swap time for time. The individual does time for me at the Scottish Archives and I will do work for them here in Nova Scotia, Canada. > > Thank you for your time > Bruce Creighton > > ______________________________

Is there an index to the early marriages in Gretna Green where it is said Scottish couples went to be married to avoid the bans in their local church? My 1846 Topographical Dictionary of Scotland shows Gretna, also spelled Graitney, in the county of Dumfries. About the marriages there, it reads: "... it has long been a place for fugitive marriages... on a green between Gretna and Springfield... It is said that between 300 and 400 marriages used at one time to be annually celebrated in the neighborhood by rival "priests", for the most part functionaries of the lowest class, who accosted parties as they passed, and officiated for a very small charge. An attempt was made in the General Assembly in 1826 to suppress this description of marriage, but without success." Mary Inglis

why when I can swap time with someone? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Bradley" <raybethb@campsie9.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [ScotlandGenWeb] Archives swap time > Bruce, > you can access the General Records Office database by logging into > www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > and pay £6.00 for thirty credits. You can download Birth and death > certificates and the 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census. Hope this helps. > Beth Bradley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Creighton" <bncreighton@accesswave.ca> > To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:31 PM > Subject: [ScotlandGenWeb] Archives swap time > > > > Hello. > > I am looking for information in the Scottish Archives, but living in > Canada makes it very difficult. I have the extract number, year and > name of the individuals. One item is a birth record, another is a > marriage record. > > > > I am willing to swap time for time. The individual does time for me > at the Scottish Archives and I will do work for them here in Nova > Scotia, Canada. > > > > Thank you for your time > > Bruce Creighton > > > > ______________________________ >

Kay, A real stretch would be: Efric Wotherspoon I hesitate to send it to you for the last time we visited with her, her health was failing and she was having memory problems. The reason I am going against my druthers is that (1)she may have living relatives (2) she was one of the leading researchers in the area (also one of the mover - shakers of genealogy and antiquity research in Scotland) (3) Inquiry may lead you to someone with valuable information. She owned and operated Martin's Book Store, 14 Main St., Campbeltown, Argyll, PA28 6JL This location is really out of the way, but a lot went on there for it was a major shipping point and seemed to have more distilleries than preachers... lots more. We have been there a number of times and found out a great deal about my wife's family. My ancestor just passed through there on his way to Ireland ahead of the law, but that's another story. Bill Ottoson

I am coming to Scotland in April and hope to find records of ancestors as well as some living relatives. I have addresses of where to do research on the ancestors but if anyone knows of people with these names, I would like to contact them. The names are: WITHERSPOON KNOX ROBERTSON BARTLETT I hope to hear from someone soon. Thanks Kay

Hi all, I have had a big surprise! Edward James ARTHUR my great-great grandfather death certificate came back with drowned as cause of death. Note the date - family history says that he was a heavy drinker and no better time then New Year. So perhaps alcohol played a part in the accident (drowning) which occured in Selkirkshire. I know that there are two articles on his death - but I can't access them from the island of Tasmania which is part of Australia. Can anyone help? I have a large collection of genealogical items and I'm happy to do a research swap! "The Southern Reporter" article 'A New Year Fatality' that appears in the issue dated 8 January 1903. The issue of the "Scottish Border Record" dated 2 January 1903 includes an article entitled 'Found Drowned'. Cheers, Sharon Hawkins

Scottish Names Research Website http://geocities.com/ozscot1/index Has got some outstanding links listed there. Peter