The recent discussion re Donaldsons Hospital has prompted me to post the following query. I have a connection who " occupied the responsible position of steward at Donaldsons Hospital, Edinburgh " (from his obituary). Can anyone tell me what the term steward means in this context? Athol

You could try http://www.gleebooks.com.au/ I have found them to be very helpful in the past and even if they don't have it they will probably get it for you. Cheryl Australia Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book concerning The Lost Children which I tried unsuccessfully to locate eight years ago in Woolongong, N.S.W. Sounds like the above title has to do with the same subject and I would very much like a copy. Please can anyone help. Many thanks. Fay Will (Leven, Fife)

Hi Pat, Did the record actually say born in 1841. Sounds like it is a christening date, and all were christened either together, or at least in the same year. Jessie & Tom Lennie Port Coquitlam BC Canada Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS #8086 ----- Original Message ----- From: Colon <colon@nac.net> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 8:25 PM Subject: Need Help with IGI Records! > I am hoping someone will be able to give me some insight into something > I came across while searching for my Anderson ancestors in the LDS IGI > site. > > I found a record for a John Anderson and Margaret Skeock who were > married in 1829. When I used the Film Number in that record with their > names in order to try and find their children, it came up with 11 > children, one listed with the day, month and year of birth, and the > other ten all listed as being born in 1841! > > Something seems to be a bit peculiar here, unless they somehow managed > to produce 2 sets of quintuplets in one year! ;o) > > Any thoughts on this?? > > Pat > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Documentation....The hardest > part of genealogy. > > ============================== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

Hi Jim, Thanks so much for your reply. I will start researching Haddingtonshire/East Lothian, as I found some possible records in this area while searching the IGI on line. Regards, Joe At 11:32 AM 09/13/1999 +1200, you wrote: >Joe >This is almost certainly Haddingtonshire, now East Lothian. > >Jim McArthur > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! > > >

Joe This is almost certainly Haddingtonshire, now East Lothian. Jim McArthur

I don't remember seeing a B for birth, only C for Christening and M for marriage. I still can't figure out what the F is for. I've gotten that a lot. Does anyone know? Judy

I have recently published my Dad's book on the Taliaferro Genealogy. He wrote this book after 43 years of research. He passed away in 1995. If you are interested in this book, please visit my web site at http://www.assentweb.com/taliaferro Thank you very much.

In a message dated 9/12/99 8:21:02 PM, colon@nac.net writes: << born in 1841! >> Are you sure the code is B for born, and not C for Christened? Sometimes parents had a number of their children baptized at the same time in order to save money.:-) dick barr Syracuse, New York

Jessie and Tom wrote here....... > The farm was Newton of Strathendry, Leslie, Fife. > Would like to hear from anyone researching this family, or from someone who > knows if this farm is still there. It certainly WAS there in 1971. I have no info to give except that it was known then as Strathenry, and the National Grid coords are NO2201. St Andrews City Library in North Street might help you if they are still functioning (they were, in 1990) Cheers....... ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ** Consultant at Mittagong Family History Centre, and trading as CAMERON RESEARCH, Reg. with N.S.W. Dept of Fair Trading. P.O. Box 215 BUNDANOON N.S.W. 2578 AUSTRALIA

No thanks on the NZ searchers, its just that I came accross Meikle McPherson connections with family in NZ. JIM

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:42:30 EDT, DBrundoll@aol.com wrote: >I have a photo of a relative in the military service stationed in Peshawar, >India, around 1906. It has his name and rank and says "The Black Watch" under >his name. >He is wearing a kilt with 5 tassels inside of long white tassels or strings... The colour of the sporran and the colour, number, size and layout of the tassels is a good indicator of the regiment. Other things to look for are badges on the upper arm, forearm, collar, headdress, sporran, and belt which among other things may tell you his rank, appointment, trade, regiment, and approx length of service. Medals or ribbons worn on the wearer's left chest may indicate the date a photograph was taken, what battles he had participated in, and whether he had performed any deeds of gallantry. The type of uniform may give an indication of where the photograph was taken, and in what season. As regards the sporran, 5 black tassels arranged in two rows in a 2-3 formation on a white sporran was indeed worn by the Black Watch. > I was hoping that someone might recognize the time period or clothing style >and might be able to tell me a little about the military at that time. At that time, the Black Watch had two Battalions, called the 1st and the 2nd Battalions, and each was commanded by a Lieutenant Colonel. According to the 1906 Army List, at the end of 1905 the second battalion was stationed in Peshawur in the Punjab, and the 1st Bn was at Fort St George, which was on the coast, immediately south of Madras. Having two Battalions in India in peacetime was a bit unusual - the usual practice was to have one battalion "at home", and the other abroad - so it is possible that there is a mistake in the Army List, and it should read Fort George, which is on the coast, north east of Inverness in Scotland. It rather looks as your man was with the 2nd Bn, but you really need to check a regimental history to see what the movements of the regiment were at that time. Fortunately the regiment has had quite a few books written about it, and the following are just a small selection: "The 'Black Watch'", 1910, 335 pages "A Short History of the Black Watch (Royal Highlanders), 1725-1907; to which is added An Account of the Second Battalion in the South African War, 1899-1902", by Captain A G Wauchope, 1908, 241 pages "The Black Watch" by Eric and Andro Linklater, 1977, 240 pages It is interesting that the following small book was published in 1907 in Peshawar itself: "2nd Bn The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) illustrated. With a brief Historical Account of the services of the Regiment", 1907, 44pp A search for "Black Watch" in the catalogue of a large library should turn up some books on the regiment. >His name was Robert McKie from Wigtownshire. Is there any way to get info on >his military career? Depending on his age and how long he had been in the Army, he may have served in the Boer War (1899-1902), or the Great War (1914-1918). He may therefore appear on the relevant medal rolls for these two wars, kept at the Public Record Office at Kew, England. This would give you his battalion, regimental number and an indication of where he fought. If he left the army before WW1 and was given a pension for long service or injury, there is a good chance his documents are available at the PRO, and if he served in WW1, there is also a chance that his documents are there, or will be there by the end of 2001 after microfilming of that surname is complete. For more information on their holdings, have a look at the PRO's webpages at: www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/riindex.htm http://www.pro.gov.uk/news/ww1solup.htm http://www.pro.gov.uk/news/ww1filmintro.htm www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/ri2009.htm www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/ri2005.htm The Regimental Museum may be contacted at: Black Watch Museum, Balhousie Castle, Hay Street, Perth, Tayside (Perthshire), PH1 5HR, Scotland Fax: +44 (0)131 3108525 Telephone: +44 Phone: (0)1738 621281 ext 8530; (0)131 3108530 Uniforms, Regimental Colours, paintings & silver from the oldest Highland Regiment (1725). North American, Napoleonic & Crimean wars to the present. Displays commemorate Field Marshall Earl Wavell & other Wavells who served in the Regiment. You may also want to have a tour round the Official British Army website at http://www.army.mod.uk/ Hope that helps Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrestdale@dial.pipex.com Website: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/forrestdale/index.html Forrest Research - Military Researcher and Book-finder, specialising in British Army/Navy/Air Force Lists, and Biographical Dictionaries.

On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:45:24 -0230, "S. Slade" <harry@thezone.net> wrote: >When doing my research I came across reference to The Royal Highlanders but >am unable to find anything on The Royal Highlander, anyone out there got any >hints. I reckon this almost certainly referred to the 42nd Regiment of Foot, or the Black Watch. This regiment was named as follows: 1751 "42nd Highland Regiment of Foot" 1758 "42nd (the Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot" 1861 "42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot, The Black Watch" 1881 Amalgamated with the "73rd (Perthshire) Regiment of Foot" and renamed "The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)" 1935 "The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment)" Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrestdale@dial.pipex.com Website: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/forrestdale/index.html Forrest Research - Military Researcher and Book-finder, specialising in British Army/Navy/Air Force Lists, and Biographical Dictionaries.

Scholar was used instead of schoolgirl or schoolboy at the time. Someone else has explained the function of the institution. John Shearer -----Original Message----- From: Tparkie@aol.com <Tparkie@aol.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 12 September 1999 03:44 Subject: Donaldsons Hospital, Edinburgh >I found an ancestor in the 1881 census as a nine-year-old scholar in >Institution: Donaldsons Hospital Edinburgh >Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland > >Why would she be a scholar at a hospital? Would she necessarily have a >disability or was this common practice if one wanted to be a nurse perhaps? >There are other children listed as scholars as well. Thanks for any thoughts >on this matter. > >Thanks very much, >Janet in USA >Tparkie@aol.com > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >For Scotland history..... >http://members.aol.com/Skyelander/timeline.html > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

Well said, Mary. Not quite Hyde Park Corner, but perhaps this is a better forum. Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Mary M. Laander <jacknday@datasync.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 9:52 AM Subject: Re: 10,000 lost children? > > >I have been watching the messages on this subject which have been showing up >the >past few days. I live in the USA and one of the expose type TV programs >featured >one night this week this unbelievable story complete with reunions of now >elderly >people who thought they were Australians and orphans, & several lucky ones >being reunited to meet again extremely elderly mothers (one reunion actually >in Ireland, I believe). > >It is scary when we read locally about children in our country being taken >from >ill, or troubled or poverty stricken parents by the Welfare department and >placed >in foster care and the struggle that some some of these parents have to try >to regain custody of their own children, or even to have the children >assigned to one foster >family instead of being torn apart and assigned to various families and >places. >None of this can top, though, the deliberate wrong the English did in lying >to the >parents and children being ripped apart "for the good of the children" and >the continuous lying in trying to prevent the people involved from finding >out the truth. > >We Americans are very outspoken about violence, wars, female mutilation, >racial >extermination etc in other parts of the world, but the what we like to call >the >"civilized" officials of the British and American worlds (from the >disembowelling >of victims and setting the bowels on fire for the poor unfortunate to watch >while his >life ebbed away--once popular "over there"-- to today's eruption of killing >sprees, >social services unsocial treatment of citizens,-------just watch the nightly >news and >read the newspapers-----------people in general just seem to have a mean >streak >just waiting to surface. Sometimes this is not a very nice world to live in >and I shudder to think that we are not leaving a better one for our >grandchildren to live in. > >But as to the thousand of, you call it lost---I call it stolen, children who >have made >their lives in other places after being lied to, I do hope that we will be >told of action being made to do something at little or no charge to the >victims to let them renew the bonds of family and to let them see the land >and area of their birth and have a chance to make a decision about where to >spend the rest of their lives. Brutality, >whether mental or physical, is still brutality and is out of place in modern >life where it is hard enough to get along at best. Why can't humans seem to >be able to learn this? > >I'm now off my soapbox. > >M. Lander > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Original Message ----- >From: Fiona Cameron <fcam@ihug.co.nz> >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:28 PM >Subject: Re: 10,000 lost children? > > >> Jani >> >> It is an excellent book, very detailed as to how the whole >> child migration came to light after so many years. I had >> read a bit about it before but this book is wonderful - if >> you can use a word like that to describe the trauma some of >> the children went through. >> >> Fiona >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JaniDart@aol.com <JaniDart@aol.com> >> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >> <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Sunday, 12 September 1999 12:54 >> Subject: Re: 10,000 lost children? >> >> >> >Fiona: How did you like the book? The title sounds like my >> kind of book. >> >Thanks Jani, CA >> > >> > >> >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >> >Genealogy Help List >> >http://posom.com/hl/ >> > >> >============================== >> >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >> >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >> >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >> For up to date info, try: >> http://www.scotland.net/ >> >> ============================== >> Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >> http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >> The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >> > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

Thank you Cheryl, I have e-mailed them and a friend who is on holiday there at the moment could collect it for me. All the best. Fay Will (Leven, Fife) e-mail address: faywill@leven54.freeserve.co.uk > >http://www.gleebooks.com.au/ > >I have found them to be very helpful in the past and even if they don't >have it they will probably get it for you. > >Cheryl >Australia > > > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book concerning The >Lost >Children which I tried unsuccessfully to locate eight years ago in >Woolongong, N.S.W. Sounds like the above title has to do with the >same >subject and I would very much like a copy. Please can anyone help. > >Many thanks. > >Fay Will (Leven, Fife) > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >GENUKI -Main Scotland Page >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! > >

To List: Many thanks for all that info on Skye. It is very interesting. Can anyone give a description of how the MacKenzies came to be in the Fife area and tell us a bit of their home territory please. I know someone who is trying to include pertinent details in a family history story. Many thanks in anticiption. Fay Will (Leven, Fife) e-mail address: faywill@leven54.freeserve.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Karen MacRae <karen@ardclach.demon.co.uk> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 12 September 1999 12:05 Subject: Re: Places >Hi Elsie, > >Bracadale is a parish in the north west of Skye, about 20 miles long and >8 miles wide at its greatest breadth. It is broken up by many sea >lochs, including Loch Bracadale, Loch Harport. Loch Eynort, Loch Brittle >and Loch Scavaig. According to the third statistical account, the >population figures were > >1801 1865 1881 929 >1811 1869 1891 920 >1821 2103 1901 872 >1831 1769 1911 805 >1841 1824 1921 740 >1851 1597 1931 1120 >1861 1335 1951 973 >1871 1113 1961 835 > >(there was no census in 1941 because of the war) > >The famous Talisker Distillery is situated at Carbost in this parish. >Other villages include Portnalong, Glenbrittle, Eynort, Struan, Ose, and >the island of Soay, where Gavin Maxwell, the author of "A Ring of Bright >Water", established a shark fishery for a short time. In the parish >are numerous other small settlements and some uninhabited islands. > > >Dunvegan is the largest village in the parish of Duirinish, which is >Bracadale's neighbour to the north. Dunvegan Castle is the seat of the >Clan MacLeod and attracts many tourist each year. Most of the land in >the parish is owned by MacLeod Estates. > >If you want any more specific information I would be only too happy to >try to help. > >Best regards > >Karen MacRae > > >In message <37DA3BB6.4294@xtra.co.nz>, R.A.Mcleod ><R.A.Mcleod@xtra.co.nz> writes >>Where are these two places and are they very big. >>Bracadale Isle of Skye and Dunvegan Isle of Skye. Would like some >>information on these two places. >> Thanking You. >> Elsie Mcleod >> Auckland New Zealand. >> >> >>==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >>Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ >> >>============================== >>Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >> > >-- >Karen MacRae > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >GENUKI -Main Scotland Page >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

A contact here in San Antonio lists his ancestor as Robert W. BISSET(T) from Hambletonshire, Scotland. I've done the searches, and the closest I can come is Hamilton near Glasgow. Does anyone have any ideas? Regards, Joe

I have been watching the messages on this subject which have been showing up the past few days. I live in the USA and one of the expose type TV programs featured one night this week this unbelievable story complete with reunions of now elderly people who thought they were Australians and orphans, & several lucky ones being reunited to meet again extremely elderly mothers (one reunion actually in Ireland, I believe). It is scary when we read locally about children in our country being taken from ill, or troubled or poverty stricken parents by the Welfare department and placed in foster care and the struggle that some some of these parents have to try to regain custody of their own children, or even to have the children assigned to one foster family instead of being torn apart and assigned to various families and places. None of this can top, though, the deliberate wrong the English did in lying to the parents and children being ripped apart "for the good of the children" and the continuous lying in trying to prevent the people involved from finding out the truth. We Americans are very outspoken about violence, wars, female mutilation, racial extermination etc in other parts of the world, but the what we like to call the "civilized" officials of the British and American worlds (from the disembowelling of victims and setting the bowels on fire for the poor unfortunate to watch while his life ebbed away--once popular "over there"-- to today's eruption of killing sprees, social services unsocial treatment of citizens,-------just watch the nightly news and read the newspapers-----------people in general just seem to have a mean streak just waiting to surface. Sometimes this is not a very nice world to live in and I shudder to think that we are not leaving a better one for our grandchildren to live in. But as to the thousand of, you call it lost---I call it stolen, children who have made their lives in other places after being lied to, I do hope that we will be told of action being made to do something at little or no charge to the victims to let them renew the bonds of family and to let them see the land and area of their birth and have a chance to make a decision about where to spend the rest of their lives. Brutality, whether mental or physical, is still brutality and is out of place in modern life where it is hard enough to get along at best. Why can't humans seem to be able to learn this? I'm now off my soapbox. M. Lander --- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Cameron <fcam@ihug.co.nz> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:28 PM Subject: Re: 10,000 lost children? > Jani > > It is an excellent book, very detailed as to how the whole > child migration came to light after so many years. I had > read a bit about it before but this book is wonderful - if > you can use a word like that to describe the trauma some of > the children went through. > > Fiona > -----Original Message----- > From: JaniDart@aol.com <JaniDart@aol.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, 12 September 1999 12:54 > Subject: Re: 10,000 lost children? > > > >Fiona: How did you like the book? The title sounds like my > kind of book. > >Thanks Jani, CA > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > >Genealogy Help List > >http://posom.com/hl/ > > > >============================== > >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > For up to date info, try: > http://www.scotland.net/ > > ============================== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

Tparkie@aol.com wrote: > > I found an ancestor in the 1881 census as a nine-year-old scholar in > Institution: Donaldsons Hospital Edinburgh > Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland > > Why would she be a scholar at a hospital? Would she necessarily have a > disability or was this common practice if one wanted to be a nurse perhaps? > There are other children listed as scholars as well. Thanks for any thoughts > on this matter. > > Thanks very much, > Janet in USA > Tparkie@aol.com > Donaldson's Hospital is, and was a School for the Deaf. Do not allow the term Hospital in terms of an educational institution put you off Heriot's Hospital, is one of Edinburgh's Private schools. In the case of Donalson's however the nine year old would have been deaf, and receiving training. Edward Andrews -- St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm

Hi Elsie, Bracadale is a parish in the north west of Skye, about 20 miles long and 8 miles wide at its greatest breadth. It is broken up by many sea lochs, including Loch Bracadale, Loch Harport. Loch Eynort, Loch Brittle and Loch Scavaig. According to the third statistical account, the population figures were 1801 1865 1881 929 1811 1869 1891 920 1821 2103 1901 872 1831 1769 1911 805 1841 1824 1921 740 1851 1597 1931 1120 1861 1335 1951 973 1871 1113 1961 835 (there was no census in 1941 because of the war) The famous Talisker Distillery is situated at Carbost in this parish. Other villages include Portnalong, Glenbrittle, Eynort, Struan, Ose, and the island of Soay, where Gavin Maxwell, the author of "A Ring of Bright Water", established a shark fishery for a short time. In the parish are numerous other small settlements and some uninhabited islands. Dunvegan is the largest village in the parish of Duirinish, which is Bracadale's neighbour to the north. Dunvegan Castle is the seat of the Clan MacLeod and attracts many tourist each year. Most of the land in the parish is owned by MacLeod Estates. If you want any more specific information I would be only too happy to try to help. Best regards Karen MacRae In message <37DA3BB6.4294@xtra.co.nz>, R.A.Mcleod <R.A.Mcleod@xtra.co.nz> writes >Where are these two places and are they very big. >Bracadale Isle of Skye and Dunvegan Isle of Skye. Would like some >information on these two places. > Thanking You. > Elsie Mcleod > Auckland New Zealand. > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! > -- Karen MacRae