G"Day Buddy: Do you know from where he came in Scotland, Parish, County perhaps? Any sibs, parents names, any other names, places or dates? Cheers Jani

Kay, mine show up at Dull and Killin about late 1700, with son Finlay, then Duncan and then Finlay again into Ontario... Elizebeths father may be Malcolm and her mother Margaret Stewart...anything here sound familiar? ANNIE OF MCGREGOR RESEARCH McGregor Pearson, McGregor Lee, McGregor Laurason, McGregor McKinlay, McGregor Menzie, McGregor McFarlin, McGregor McNicol, Rotson, McGillivie,McDiramid, McKiver with a possible Rob Roy McGregor connection -----Original Message----- From: Kay Liney <kay@knockard.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:58 AM Subject: Re: McDiramid >I have a Duncan McDiarmid and Elizabeth McGregor in a tree also. They >were married c 1830, perhaps in Moulin, but certainly in Perthshire >Kay >> ______________________________ > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >For Scotland history..... >http://members.aol.com/Skyelander/timeline.html > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! > >

sorry, i just got the last posting on mort cloths. thanks for explaining! Holly

I too am starting to look at 'mort cloths' ,if that is the right term. Someone please help us! Holly

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Hi to all the Scottish listers, I'm new to Scottish searches. What years were the census' taken? I think my Kay's left in 1874 for Pittsburgh, PA and my great grandmother would have been born 1872 and her parents married 1871. Thanks, Ruth

----- Original Message ----- From: nancy <nancedge@ozemail.com.au> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:59 AM Subject: Re Ml's > Thanks everyone for the answer to my Ml query. > I feel a bit of a dummy actually. I've been doing Family History for many > years (although I'm just a beginner on the net). and I should have realized > what it stood for, but over here we often refer to them as headstone > listings. I'll have to get used to the internet abbreviations. > > Regards and happy researching from Nancy in Australia. > Don't feel like the Lone Ranger Nancy. Many of us have asked that same question and many will in the future. For a long time I thought there were a great many researchers making MI queries. Queries having to do with my state of Michigan. :o} Norm - Grayling Michigan USA "Today is the first day of the rest of our lives."

Thanks to everybody who passed on information on my Farquhar/Stewart census lookup. The Farquhar data provided quite a surprise for me as my great grandfather's sister Eleanor was 5 years younger than him - not older. I now suspect there may have been a child born between my great grandfather and his older brother who died very young. I'm sorry it's taken me a wee while to get back to this as my computer at work can't cope with the internet right now and my computer at home has decided that it doesn't like the internet either! At the moment I'm relying on peopleat work not using their PCs at lunchtime! Bye for now Lesley ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Thanks everyone for the answer to my Ml query. I feel a bit of a dummy actually. I've been doing Family History for many years (although I'm just a beginner on the net). and I should have realized what it stood for, but over here we often refer to them as headstone listings. I'll have to get used to the internet abbreviations. Regards and happy researching from Nancy in Australia.

G'Day Keith: Very well said! I so glad I'm not the only one whom feels this way. Cheers Jani

Ray, I could not find anything either in the Died at Sea information in Edinburgh and do not know the name of the vessel on which Mary Teresa STEWART travelled unfortunately. Thanks. Fay Will (Leven, Fife) e-mail address: faywill@leven54.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: MARY TERESA STEWART/STUART >Hi Fay, You say that your anscestor died at sea while returning to Scotland, >does that mean her death was registered in Scotland on the return of the >vessel? If so it will give you her parents names on her death certificate. >Hope this helps. >Regards ray > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

Dear Edward Thank you so much for the very educated answer. It was perfect and will help us very much. Cheers, Jani

I am searching for siblings of William Bruce, son of William Bruce and Janet Millar, born June 19, 1810, St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. Douglas Bruce dkbruce@golden.net

hello Sharon. I looked on the Vital Records index British Isles and found only 2 Hugh Watson first one was married to Elizabet Dalton and they were married on 12 Feb 1788 in Northumbeland, England the second was married to Betty Swift these were marrie on 6 Nov 1880 in Lanchashire, England. I didn't check under Dunlop because you have no first names. Sorry Joanne ;-)

Fascinating! Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Edward Andrews <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:31 AM Subject: Re: - Stonehouse - misc and mortcloths, Don & Mary >---- Original Message ----- >From: Don and Mary Saban <dsaban@trib.com> >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:53 AM >Subject: Re: - Stonehouse - misc and mortcloths, Don & Mary > > >> >> I am hoping we get an educated answer to your question from someone on the >> list. We have just recently started researching mortcloth rentals. And >we >> do not know if the person listed is the name of the deceased or the name >of >> the person paying the rental to the church. >> >> Have had someone else ask a very basic question which we cannot answer -- >if >> they "rent" the use of the mortcloth, does that mean that the mortcloth >was >> reused numerous times? Was the tradition stopped when the populace became >> more educated on the possibility of transmitting a disease? >> >> Someone out there should know the answers. Help!!! > >"(Just before the remains were transported to the grave) a mortcloth was >laid over the coffin. This funeral pall originated in the days when ordinary >Scottish people could not afford a coffin, and the corpse, in a >winding-sheet but uncoffined, was covered or wrapped in a sheet, plaid or >piece of blue homespun for the journey to the burial ground. There it was >unwrapped from this additional covering and lowered into the grave. Although >the mortcloth originated with those who could not afford coffins, it came in >time to be regarded as an indispensable feature of all funerals of whatever >class. It was the done thing to use one and no one would see a loved one >buried without one - with one exception. In some places, such as the parish >of Coldingham, Berwickshire, a mortcloth was not used for a woman who died >in childbirth; instead, she was wrapped in a sheet. While the use of the >mortcloth began by the 15th century at least, a contributory factor to its >universal acceptance must have been the Proclamation of Council in 1684 >forbidding the decoration of coffins with fringes and metal work, at which >point those who would normally have had such handsome coffins, found that a >good alternative was a handsome fringed mortcloth. > Although mortcloths sometimes belonged to private people, they were usually >owned by corporate bodies such as burghs, craft guilds and trade >incorporations, as well as some privately-run charities. They were lent out >at reduced rates, or even free, to members of these groups, and were also >available for hire to other people, the income often going to the poor. Kirk >Sessions also owned them and rented them out; even in rural parishes they >usually had at least two, the best and the second-best, with possibly a >child's size as well, so that people could choose which was within their >means. The second-best was a poorer cloth altogether but it lent a touch of >dignity to burials and gave some appearance to a rough poorly made coffin. >It was the one which the Kirk Session allowed paupers to have free; >sometimes inability to pay for a coffin, even though not on the poors' roll, >was regarded as a qualification for having this cloth without charge." > From Anne Gordon "Death is for the Living" Edinburgh 1984. ISBN 0 8628 089 >3. p 52 > > The use of Mortcloths died out at the end of the last Century, Ibid. p58. > By the time that they used Mortcloths there was no danger of transmitting >disease to the person using it.!!! > > I would expect that the name of the person recorded would depend upon >precisely what the custom of the district was, and precisely which agency >was involved. A Craft Guild would obviously operate differently where the >levy for the Mortcloth was included in the admission charge would operate >differently from a parish which was merely noted the loan of the second >cloth. >Edward Andrews > St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland >Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Scottish Universities >Their Libraries & Archives >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jimjar/jimjargg.htm > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

---- Original Message ----- From: Don and Mary Saban <dsaban@trib.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:53 AM Subject: Re: - Stonehouse - misc and mortcloths, Don & Mary > > I am hoping we get an educated answer to your question from someone on the > list. We have just recently started researching mortcloth rentals. And we > do not know if the person listed is the name of the deceased or the name of > the person paying the rental to the church. > > Have had someone else ask a very basic question which we cannot answer -- if > they "rent" the use of the mortcloth, does that mean that the mortcloth was > reused numerous times? Was the tradition stopped when the populace became > more educated on the possibility of transmitting a disease? > > Someone out there should know the answers. Help!!! "(Just before the remains were transported to the grave) a mortcloth was laid over the coffin. This funeral pall originated in the days when ordinary Scottish people could not afford a coffin, and the corpse, in a winding-sheet but uncoffined, was covered or wrapped in a sheet, plaid or piece of blue homespun for the journey to the burial ground. There it was unwrapped from this additional covering and lowered into the grave. Although the mortcloth originated with those who could not afford coffins, it came in time to be regarded as an indispensable feature of all funerals of whatever class. It was the done thing to use one and no one would see a loved one buried without one - with one exception. In some places, such as the parish of Coldingham, Berwickshire, a mortcloth was not used for a woman who died in childbirth; instead, she was wrapped in a sheet. While the use of the mortcloth began by the 15th century at least, a contributory factor to its universal acceptance must have been the Proclamation of Council in 1684 forbidding the decoration of coffins with fringes and metal work, at which point those who would normally have had such handsome coffins, found that a good alternative was a handsome fringed mortcloth. Although mortcloths sometimes belonged to private people, they were usually owned by corporate bodies such as burghs, craft guilds and trade incorporations, as well as some privately-run charities. They were lent out at reduced rates, or even free, to members of these groups, and were also available for hire to other people, the income often going to the poor. Kirk Sessions also owned them and rented them out; even in rural parishes they usually had at least two, the best and the second-best, with possibly a child's size as well, so that people could choose which was within their means. The second-best was a poorer cloth altogether but it lent a touch of dignity to burials and gave some appearance to a rough poorly made coffin. It was the one which the Kirk Session allowed paupers to have free; sometimes inability to pay for a coffin, even though not on the poors' roll, was regarded as a qualification for having this cloth without charge." From Anne Gordon "Death is for the Living" Edinburgh 1984. ISBN 0 8628 089 3. p 52 The use of Mortcloths died out at the end of the last Century, Ibid. p58. By the time that they used Mortcloths there was no danger of transmitting disease to the person using it.!!! I would expect that the name of the person recorded would depend upon precisely what the custom of the district was, and precisely which agency was involved. A Craft Guild would obviously operate differently where the levy for the Mortcloth was included in the admission charge would operate differently from a parish which was merely noted the loan of the second cloth. Edward Andrews St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm

Hello, Could anyone tell me that if in 1848 or so and thereafter, did people, leaving Scotland by Ship for work or to migrate to another country, have to file that they were leaving any kinds of papers? Also was the hudson bay company part of that country in those years? Thanks, Robyn robynsev@aol.com

Would anyone please email me at robynsev@aol.com, if they have any ties to any Rockett's, Rackett's, or any other spellings that in America might be Rockett, such as Roggitt, Rochitt, etc., that had or have family in the Midlothian area or any area of Scotland. Thanks, Robyn

Dear Nancy: Thanks for the information on the OZ headstones, I live in the states and didn't have a clue what they were called anywhere, I've never even dealt with a cemetery. Both people close to me whom died were cremated, Mum doesn't have a headstone, but will, 20 years later, and the other was an English friend who we shipped back to England, who we kept losing...I never realized the importance of headstones until I started doing my family research. This is a learning experience and we learn from some of the nicest people. Cheers Jani