I hope you're doing this right, too! One of my ancestors was James Adams, taken prisoner after the Battle of Dunbar in 1650 and indentured to the Saugus Iron Works, Saugus, MA. How did you find the name of the ship your ancestor arrived on, and is there a manifest? This is one of the things that has beleaguered us from the late 1970s, and we cannot seem to find an answer to this riddle. If you hear favorably from anyone, please let us know. Lucille (Adams) Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Ross <wander52@capital.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. >Hope I'm doing this right.... I'm looking for info on an ancestor that was a >prisoner of war from the Scottish Civil War and was sent to the Colonies by >Cromwell after the Battle of Worcestor. His name was John Ross and he was >born about 1635. There were three John Ross's aboard the John and Sarah >that sailed out of Gravesend Eng in the fall of 1651. They landed in Boston >Mass in 1652 and all three were indentured to a Thomas Kemble. My John Ross >ended up in Malden, Mass. I know the line of descendency from there. I >also know that there was a James Ross on board the ship who had a brother >and father named John. The father could have been born in or about 1609. >James gained some notariety as he got Mary Goodnowe in the family way and >she refused to marry him and he was whipped for the deed. Also in some of >the ship's passenger list that I've seen Ross had an 'e' on the end of it. >Anything would be helpful. > >Blessings, >Wanda Ross > >Every evening I turn my troubles over to God - He's going to be >up all night anyway. [Donald J. Morgan, Columbus, Ohio] > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Genealogy Help List >http://posom.com/hl/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >

I finally found a copy of "Whiskey Galore," American title "Tight Little Island." It was in a little classic video store. I have it rented until tomorrow morning. I heartily recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it. From the book by Sir Compton Mackenzie, it's based on a true story. During WW2, there was a severe shortage of whiskey in Scotland, as almost every drop was being sent to America to bring back needed dollars for the war effort. One foggy Saturday evening, a merchant ship went aground on rocks off an island off the west coast of Scotland. It contained over 40,000 cases of Export Only whiskey!! The islanders couldn't row out to the ship to save the whiskey on Sunday, so they had to wait until after 12 am Monday. And they surely did!!! I saw the movie when it first came out - about 1950 -and it was just as good last night. It shows a fine insight into the nature of Scots. Eileen

On 26 September James M Bilbrey wrote: >I would appreciate suggestions of books to read on the early history of >Argyll and the Western Isles. I am interested in the period from the >early influx from Ireland and the establishment of the Kingdom of >Dalriada to the time of the Lordship Of The Isles. I have a connection >with the MacPhees (MacFies) of Colonsay. I would suggest "The Lords of the Isles", by Ronald Williams, 1st p/b edition published in 1997 by House of Lochar, Isle of Colonsay, Argyll PA61 7YR ISBN 1-899863-17-6 Donald Maclean.

Hi Wanda, The battle of Worcester was in the English Civil War and if Cromwell deported your ancestor after that battle he was on King Charles' side. An 'e' on the end of words was not uncommon in the period. John Shearer -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Ross <wander52@capital.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 26 September 1999 17:31 Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. >Hope I'm doing this right.... I'm looking for info on an ancestor that was a >prisoner of war from the Scottish Civil War and was sent to the Colonies by >Cromwell after the Battle of Worcestor. His name was John Ross and he was >born about 1635. There were three John Ross's aboard the John and Sarah >that sailed out of Gravesend Eng in the fall of 1651. They landed in Boston >Mass in 1652 and all three were indentured to a Thomas Kemble. My John Ross >ended up in Malden, Mass. I know the line of descendency from there. I >also know that there was a James Ross on board the ship who had a brother >and father named John. The father could have been born in or about 1609. >James gained some notariety as he got Mary Goodnowe in the family way and >she refused to marry him and he was whipped for the deed. Also in some of >the ship's passenger list that I've seen Ross had an 'e' on the end of it. >Anything would be helpful. > >Blessings, >Wanda Ross > >Every evening I turn my troubles over to God - He's going to be >up all night anyway. [Donald J. Morgan, Columbus, Ohio] > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Genealogy Help List >http://posom.com/hl/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >

Yes a wonderful film which I loved from my childhood the Ship was the SS Politician, it sank between the Islands of Eriskay and South Uist some local scenes were shot in the isle of Barra. Jim McPherson, Searching for McKiggans and McPhersons in the long isles.

Yers there were censuses for all Scotland from 1841-1981 I have transcribed the Craignish censuses from 41 -91, but only with extracts of the McPhersons. Jim McPherson

--part1_1e63200a.251fe5cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'Day Bill: we were discussing the census' of Scotland in an another group I'm in the forwarded e-mail from Anne answered a lot of questions before they were even asked. So sorry its not good news, cheers Jani --part1_1e63200a.251fe5cf_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <anne.burgess@newscientist.net> Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:13:38 -0400 Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (spielberg.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.9]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v61.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:13:35 -0400 Received: from [194.176.210.232] (helo=oemcomputer) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11UYyC-0004YS-00; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:17:17 +0100 Message-ID: <017401bf06b1$98142ba0$e8d2b0c2@oemcomputer> From: "anne.burgess" <anne.burgess@newscientist.net> To: <scots-origins@egroups.com>, <JaniDart@aol.com>, <Lneelis@aol.com> Subject: Census: cautionary note Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:53:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 May I just add that the 1801, 1811, 1821 and 1831 Census recorded ONLY statistics. There were NO lists of individuals' names. A few lists do survive from before 1841, but only very few. They are mostly held in local libraries if they exist. Anne --part1_1e63200a.251fe5cf_boundary--

Hope I'm doing this right.... I'm looking for info on an ancestor that was a prisoner of war from the Scottish Civil War and was sent to the Colonies by Cromwell after the Battle of Worcestor. His name was John Ross and he was born about 1635. There were three John Ross's aboard the John and Sarah that sailed out of Gravesend Eng in the fall of 1651. They landed in Boston Mass in 1652 and all three were indentured to a Thomas Kemble. My John Ross ended up in Malden, Mass. I know the line of descendency from there. I also know that there was a James Ross on board the ship who had a brother and father named John. The father could have been born in or about 1609. James gained some notariety as he got Mary Goodnowe in the family way and she refused to marry him and he was whipped for the deed. Also in some of the ship's passenger list that I've seen Ross had an 'e' on the end of it. Anything would be helpful. Blessings, Wanda Ross Every evening I turn my troubles over to God - He's going to be up all night anyway. [Donald J. Morgan, Columbus, Ohio]

Can't do it right now, but will do a lookup for you later on tonight. Don and Mary in Wyoming >I am int6erested In McPherson & Wilson in Stonehouse what do you have?Tanhill >Farm ? > >Jim McPherson >

I am researching Archibald MCLINTOCK (b.ca. 1820) family....he married Harriet/Hannah BOAG. Son named David, b. 1850, Bonhill, Dunbarton, Scotland. Family migrated to NYCity bet. 1851-1860. If anyone could do a 1841-50 census lookup for me would be greatly appreciated. Also, Archibald McLintock/McClintock belonged to the Saint Andrews Society in New York, where could I locate more information about this society and its membership in Scotland for this time period? His occupation was general merchandise sales, however "lace" manufactuering is prevalent in the family. I understand that during this time in Glasgow there were quite a few "weavers", however are there any publications, etc. which discuss those who specialized in "lace"?? Perhaps, not. One last item: Ship/Passenger lists for Glasgow to New York City for 1851-60 are few....does anyone know of the most travelled route from Glasgow to NY for this time period? Any suggestions, thankfully welcomed! Diana

Good Day to all you fine Scots! Was there a 1841 census in Argyll, if so, how can I get infomation on Archibald McPhail, who would have been about 78 to 80 years old. He lived at Euroch in Kilmartin, Argyll, Scotland. Dugald McPhail, who would have been about 45 years old. He lived at Euroch in Kilmartin, Argyll, Scotland. He was married to Christina Mccallum. Thanks for any help. Bill McPhail BillMcPhail@clanphail.org

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Hi Amanda I live in Ipswich, Massachusetts now. It is a town near the ocean and very family oriented. We have Crane's Beach which is a great place to spend a hot summer's day. Each year there is a sand castle contest held there and the sand sculptures are really beautiful. Another place of interest is Wolf Hollow. There you can see real live wolves living in a compound and learn about wolves - who are not dangerous to humans. We also have a local petting zoo where animals that have been used as pets and grew too big now have a place to live. My granddaughter loves to visit there. Our local apple orchards always have a day where you can pick your own apples and also take a hayride. Hope you get lots of email from all over the world. Betty Wintersteen, Ipswich, Massachusetts http://bawwyn@webtv.net - ------------------------------------ As guardians of our family history, it is up to us to pass it on to future generations. - ------------------------------------ Searching ORKNEY-Montrose; Margaret (Maggie) Potter; John Potter, Elsie Potter, Frances Potter, Mary Potter, Mabel Potter of Bents Row, Montrose, circa early 1900's. Family of Jessie Thompson nee Orkney, Massachusetts. Family of Isabella Lowe nee Orkney, Montreal, Canada - -------------------------------------- http://community.webtv.net/BAWWYN/OURFAMILYROOTS

Calling all listers, I have at last made up my family groups back to the end of the 16th century. My S*********,s are all from the Lothians between Edinburgh, Crichton and across to Seton, Tranent and Haddington. I have already made contact with "family" in Canada and it would be great to make even more connections. If there are any listers with possible connections to my S*********,s please make contact and I will send over my family groups. I cannot attach them to my mail as it will be rejected. By the way, for those who have managed to read this far, I have a book about the building of the Forth Bridge which includes pictures from all stages of the project including pictures of people involved. If anybody has connections or interests here they can also let me know. Hoping to hear from you best regards, Michael.

Hello, I was intrigued by your post regarding your John Ross. I have somewhat the same dilema. I also have an ancestor who was sent to America at the same time in the same manner. I too, have a ton of information regarding the family once they arrive in America. My problem is finding where in Scotland he came from. Seems the name changed and I can't make any connections to the home land. So I keep digging hoping I'll figure it all out in the end. My family is the Bradeens. There were 3 brothers who came to the Boston area in the same time period as yours. I haven't been able to find them on any ships list as yet because not all the prisoner ships kept manifests. Well, there you have it. I know I wasn't any help in answering any of your questions, I just wanted you to know our ancestors where figuatively - in the same boat. Have a great day. Terry

Good morning, Rita: This is an off-the-wall chance, but I hope you have some information I can use. One of my great-great grandmothers was an Ann Rodger who married John Finlay. I have no other information about these folks, but their son James Finlay was born in 1833, supposedly in Ireland. He died 29 August, 1897 at Melrose. Would you have anything on these folks that I might be able to use? Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Joe Rodger <joe.rodger@talk21.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 8:41 AM Subject: Re: LOOK UP > >Would someone with access to the 1881 Census please do a lookup for me I am >trying to locate JAMES RODGERS born Ireland.Possibly living in Church Lane >WIGTOWN. > >T.I.A. >Rita Rodger North Lanarkshire Scotland > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Hundreds of Scot Urls....... > http://celt.net/og/angscot3.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot2.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot.htm > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >

Hi Gloria, There is lots of information on the MACLEODs of Dunvegan in Alexander Nicolson's "History of Skye", originally published in 1930, but now reprinted and revised by MacLean Press, 60 Aird Bhearnasdail, by Portree, Isle of Skye - ISBN 0 9516022 7 6. If you wish to know anything specific, ask me and I will look up my copy, but there is too much information for me to post it all here. It is a very interesting book and I can recommend it. Best regards Karen MacRae In message <020b01bf07ec$db74bb80$8aed38cb@gloria>, Gloria Richards <gloweave@senet.com.au> writes >looking for information on the McLEOD family of >Dunvegan Castle in the 1800's also any photo's please > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Genealogy Help List >http://posom.com/hl/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! > -- Karen MacRae

Joe Rodger wrote: > Would someone with access to the 1881 Census please do a lookup for me I am > trying to locate JAMES RODGERS born Ireland.Possibly living in Church Lane > WIGTOWN. Joe, There were 2 in that county as follows: Dwelling: 7 Dalrymple St Census Place: Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224063 GRO Ref Volume 899 EnumDist 2 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James RODGER M 69 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Town Councillor (Cattle Dealer) Margaret RODGER M 55 F Ireland Rel: Wife Archibald RODGER U 30 M Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Flesher Samuel RODGER 15 M Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Maria RODGER U 28 F Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Hannah RODGER U 26 F Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Janet RODGER U 21 F Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Hellen B. RODGER 12 F Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Robert RODGER M 25 M Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Engine Fitter At Works Mary RODGER M 28 F Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau In Law Occ: Engine Fitters Wife John RODGER 4 M Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: G Son James RODGER 6 m M Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: G Son Dwelling: Anabaglish Farm Ho Census Place: Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224062 GRO Ref Volume 894 EnumDist 5 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ANDERSON M 84 M Kirkcowan, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 1670 Ac 60 Ar Empl 2 Men 1 Boy Jane ANDERSON M 64 F Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife John ANDERSON U 34 M Kirkcowan, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Jane ANDERSON U 23 F Kirkcowan, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Farmers Dau James RODGER M 29 M Ireland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv Robert DALRYMPLE W 73 M Kirkcowan, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv James SCOTT U 15 M Penninghame, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv

Hi James, Try the following: "Studies in the History of Dalriada", by John Bannerman, Edinburgh, 1974. "The Picts and the Scots" by Lloyd and Jenny Laing,Stroud 1993. There are also chapters on early history in the newly published "Last of the Free - a Millennial History of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland" by James Hunter, published by Mainstream Publishing. ISBN 1 84018 029 3. Best regards Karen MacRae In message <37ED727A.C78FD322@infinet.com>, James M. Bilbrey <lizards@infinet.com> writes >I would appreciate suggestions of books to read on the early history of >Argyll and the Western Isles. I am interested in the period from the >early influx from Ireland and the establishment of the Kingdom of >Dalriada to the time of the Lordship Of The Isles. I have a connection >with the MacPhees (MacFies) of Colonsay. > >Regards>>>JMB > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > -- Karen MacRae

Hi All, I was wondering if someone who has access to the 1841 Scottish census would please look up for me Malcolm Arthur CAMPBELL. I have a letter stating that Malcolm was in Stornaway, Isle of Lewis in 1841 so I am assuming that he should not be that hard to find. Hopefully. Malcolm was born in around 1802 so would be about 39-40 at the time of the census. He was unmarried at the time, as far as I know. Any information that could be found would be greatly appreciated. April Campbell