Thank God for people such as you who appreciate the vagaries of Scottish history and that of the English. We in the colonies certainly have been on the receiving end of the unintended consequences of the lot of them. Jessie, Calif

Thanks for the suggestions. I will look for these. Regards>>JMB Karen MacRae wrote: > Hi James, > > Try the following: > > "Studies in the History of Dalriada", by John Bannerman, Edinburgh, > 1974. > > "The Picts and the Scots" by Lloyd and Jenny Laing,Stroud 1993. > > There are also chapters on early history in the newly published "Last of > the Free - a Millennial History of the Highlands and Islands of > Scotland" by James Hunter, published by Mainstream Publishing. ISBN 1 > 84018 029 3. > > Best regards > > Karen MacRae > > In message <37ED727A.C78FD322@infinet.com>, James M. Bilbrey > <lizards@infinet.com> writes > >I would appreciate suggestions of books to read on the early history of > >Argyll and the Western Isles. I am interested in the period from the > >early influx from Ireland and the establishment of the Kingdom of > >Dalriada to the time of the Lordship Of The Isles. I have a connection > >with the MacPhees (MacFies) of Colonsay. > > > >Regards>>>JMB > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > > > >============================== > >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > -- > Karen MacRae > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Hundreds of Scot Urls....... > http://celt.net/og/angscot3.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot2.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot.htm > > ============================== > Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today!

Thanks, I will look this one up. Regards>>JMB Donald Maclean wrote: > On 26 September James M Bilbrey wrote: > > >I would appreciate suggestions of books to read on the early history of > >Argyll and the Western Isles. I am interested in the period from the > >early influx from Ireland and the establishment of the Kingdom of > >Dalriada to the time of the Lordship Of The Isles. I have a connection > >with the MacPhees (MacFies) of Colonsay. > > I would suggest "The Lords of the Isles", by Ronald Williams, 1st p/b edition > published in 1997 > by House of Lochar, Isle of Colonsay, Argyll PA61 7YR > ISBN 1-899863-17-6 > > Donald Maclean. > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Think BEFORE you post ! > > ============================== > Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today!

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> I hope that this helps >Edward Andrews It helps a lot, as always. Thankyou John Shearer

Looking for information relating to gr grandfather Phillip Docherty who lived in Gourock Scotland back in late 1800's married to Rose Demmcey lived at 10 Shore St. Know of three children Neil Joseph, James and Bernard. Thank you in advance. Jackie Dougherty

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----- Original Message ----- From: John K Shearer <jk_shearer@email.msn.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 12:47 PM Subject: Roundheads v Scots > You are right Edward, The Battle of Worcester(3rd September 1651 was fought > a year later than the Battle of Dunbar (1st September 1650) but I had not > thought of it as a battle in a Scottish Civil War or as a Scots invasion of > England. > > Until now I had thought of the Battle of Worcester as a battle in the > English Civil War, with Charles Junior and his Cavaliers on one side and > Cromwell's Roundheads on the other. I had assumed that Dunbar had made > Scotland with England and Ireland part of the Commonwealth or United States > of Britain. (150 years before our cousins across the pond got the same > idea.) which Cromwell tried to avoid being dictator of. Well - After Dunbar Cromwell carried out an effective Union of Scotland and England. Remember that there were 30 seats for Scotland in Parliament. The Scottish Army invaded England, and was eventually defeated, and most of its members were taken prisoner. Worcester was very much a side show. the only important thing being that it saw Charles II stetting off for exile, totally defeated. I am not an expert on the English side of the Civil War, but I think that it was mainly Scots who were involved in the Battle with few if any English Royalists. > Do you seethe Battle of Philiphaugh, 13th September 1645, as a battle in a > Scottish Civil War or as a battle between Scots Cavaliers supporting English > Cavaliers in a fight with the legitimate army of Scotland which was in a > Solemn League and Covenant with Cromwellian / Parliamentary England? Ah ha, that is the $64,000. I happen to be a fan of Montrose. I basically agree with him that the Solemn League and Covenant was a disaster for Scotland. As a general he was unsurpassed - pity about the sack of Aberdeen though. I read Philiphaugh as being a battle between the Scottish Covenant Army and a mixed force of Anti Solemn League and Covenant - Montrose, (and only because of that pro King, Montrose had been for the Covenant before Henderson had begun his foolish actions), Scottish Cavaliers, and Irish Cavaliers, who came from the Irish Confederation who were pro King, but Pro Roman Catholic as well. (Isn't History wonderful). > Cromwell used my children's school in much the same way as your church but I > did not realise he had a problem with Scottish Presbyterians. The whole period from say 1640 to 1660 is extremely difficult and complicated. While the English Puritans were Calvinists of a kind, they had very different views from the Presbyterians as a whole. On the Parliamentary side there were also Anabaptists and the like whom the Kirk did not like. Cromwell himself was a Congregationalist, and so it goes on. The splits in the Church of Scotland - Protestors and Resolutioners and Engagers and the like sowed the seeds of further problems in the Kirk in later years. I hope that this helps Edward Andrews St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm

Researching the following: Ralph FRITTER wife: Agnex Robertson child: Mark FRITTER christened Feb 4, 1811 Kirkinner, Wigtownshire Does anyone know a real live person named FRITTER?? No other information on the above people

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I know there's a good Clan Macarthur data base on-line that might have some info, who knows. I'm afraid I don't have the http but perhaps you could use a browser. Bob McArthur put it all together. Jane 18th cent Macgillivray OPRs Strathnairn http://www.mygale.org/~ancestor/dunlichity/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: charles k mac arthur <c.mac.arthur@worldnet.att.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday 26 September 1999 18:04 Subject: clan MacArthur >I am new at the geaneology search can some one help me, my gfather james macarthur,my father charles >macarthur came over from glasgow abt.1913-1914 my gfather was born 1878, my father was born 1901 both in >the glasgow area i don' know where to start,james macarthur was married twice first wife unkown.she gasve >birth to charles, james jr and david who was a career naval man in us retired as aCPO. Gfather james remarried >in the states to elizabeth who was born in scotland in 1884, and gave birth here to john m., last known address >Maryland they (john m) had a son david. James & elizabeth also had a son william angus b.1917 died 1934 in a >drowning accident. Let me know if any of this sounds familiar please > >______________________________

Karen: Thanks for the info about the book. I'll try Amazon.com right away. Eileen ->You might be interested in the book "Polly" by Roger Hutchinson, >Mainstream Publishing Company (Edinburgh)ltd, ISBN 1-85158-353-1. It >tells the true story of what happened when the SS Politician sank in >1941.

I tried this URL directly from the List Message and got the message" malformed access method." Subject: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:06:59 EST From: "Clan Munro \(Association\) Australia" <clanmunro@hotmail.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Just like to let the List members know about this following website. It may help them with their Family Research. They have got thousands & thousands of Links on this website. http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=&id=frasbett James. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

If anyone is fortunate enough to have access to 1841/51 census for Perthshire/ Clackmannon could they please do a look-up for the following: - any "MacRae's" in Dollar, Broom of Dalreoch, or Dunning (all within 10 miles of each other) - a "Jessie Stewart /Stuart" in Dollar, Broom of Dalreoch, and Dunning. Thanks so much to anyone who can help! Sandy from Ontario

I got the same message. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Pearl Wilson <pearlw@ihug.co.nz> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Family Research Website >You were not alone! It's a fizzer :-)) >Pearl. >http://members.tripod.com/PearlsPad/index.htm > > >> Hi James, >> >> I tried to access the website that you listed below, but >> just got the message 'mailformed access method'. Do I have to do anything >> else/ >> >> Thanks, Mandy. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Clan Munro (Association) Australia <clanmunro@hotmail.com> >> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:06 PM >> Subject: Family Research Website >> >> >> > Just like to let the List members know about this following website. It >> may >> > help them with their Family Research. They have got thousands & thousands >> of >> > Links on this website. >> > >> > http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=&id=frasbett >> > >> > James. >> > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >For Scotland history..... >http://members.aol.com/Skyelander/timeline.html > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

Hi Eileen, You might be interested in the book "Polly" by Roger Hutchinson, Mainstream Publishing Company (Edinburgh)ltd, ISBN 1-85158-353-1. It tells the true story of what happened when the SS Politician sank in 1941. Best regards Karen MacRae In message <008501bf0853$e37ea9a0$8fdec6cf@HPAuthorizedCustomer>, Eileen@j51.com <eileen@j51.com> writes > >I finally found a copy of "Whiskey Galore," American title >"Tight Little Island." >It was in a little classic video store. I have it rented >until tomorrow morning. >I heartily recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it. From >the book by Sir Compton Mackenzie, it's based on a true >story. During WW2, there was a severe shortage of whiskey >in Scotland, as almost every drop was being sent to America >to bring back needed dollars for the war effort. One foggy >Saturday evening, a merchant ship went aground on rocks off >an island off the west coast of Scotland. It contained over >40,000 cases of Export Only whiskey!! The islanders >couldn't row out to the ship to save the whiskey on Sunday, >so they had to wait until after 12 am Monday. And they >surely did!!! >I saw the movie when it first came out - about 1950 -and it >was just as good last night. It shows a fine insight into >the nature of Scots. > >Eileen > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Hundreds of Scot Urls....... > http://celt.net/og/angscot3.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot2.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot.htm > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > -- Karen MacRae

Thank you, Edward; it's a fascinating study. Have been looking for our James Adams' ancestors for several years now; just discovered his participation in the Battle of Dunbar about 8 years ago, but I've been told that looking for Adamses in Scotland is like looking for John Smith in the U.S. Thanks so much for your explanation. Lucille (Adams) Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Edward Andrews <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: BaggyGenes <bagygenz@napanet.net> >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:30 AM >Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. > > >> Hi Edward -- Would you happen to know where one might obtain prisoner's >lists >> from Dunbar and Worcester? There are several other researchers who have >been >> trying to locate such lists, without much luck. There's evidently one >ship's >> list for Worcester prisoners online but nothing else. Would prisoners >have >> been listed in Scotland, or in England? What ports were used to send them >to >> the colonies? >> >> Any help most appreciated. >> >> Judy > > Think about it. Americans are still looking for MIAs from Viet Nam, and >after WW2 there was a lot of work which had to be done in trying to locate >displaced persons. > 350 years ago there was not the same interest in records, and people would >not have been thinking in the possibility of people coming behind having any >interest in the people. > The armies which fought were not full time. People either turned up or were >made to turn up and marched off. > Luck would be the essence of the game. A piece of paper survives, or >someone copies a list into a journal which survives. > The reason why, until recently, history has been the story of the great and >famous is because the only sources which existed in profusion are about the >great and famous. We may well know all about the guy who had his head >chopped off in the Tower, and not even have the names of a dozen who were >hanged at Tyburn. > You ask would the prisoners have been listed in Scotland or England. Think >about it. The 13,000 of the Scottish army - a Scotland which was being >garrisoned by English troops marched south. 2,000 were killed and 10,000 >made prisoner. What lists would there be in Scotland? Muster lists. Scotland >was however undergoing military occupation. Towns were being besieged. The >Scottish records were captured in Stirling, the Honours of Scotland (Crown >Jewels) narrowly escaped the same, and the records were taken down to >London. The ship sank which was bringing them back. > In England there might be a list. At what stage would it be taken? by the >NCO who was at the capture - he probably couldn't write, and hadn't paper >handy. The gaoler when they got to a building? > The answer is that they would probably only be listed when they were told >off for deportation. Fortunately, I believe that there is a record of them >(or at least a partial record of them) and I think that it is published >somewhere. It is however not my subject and I only know a very little about >records of interest to Americans > The amazing thing is not that there are so few records of that time, but >that there are so many. To get at them however you have to be actually >looking at places like the PRO. Some is published, some has been transcribed >and not published. Some turn up in Private collections. There is very little >on the net. It is really an area where if you want to get anywhere new, you >need >professional support. > > People comment about how difficult it is to trace people on this side of >the pond. Generally speaking your records are better kept. There are also >more public records which have survived. There is also much more interest in >genealogy in America than there is on this side of the pond. > You now see why it is important to have an understanding of history and the >society about which you are working. > Edward Andrews > > > >St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland >Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Scottish Universities >Their Libraries & Archives >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jimjar/jimjargg.htm > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

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