Hi all The Victorian Government (AUSTRALIA) has a searchable BDM index online at the following address. It is a pay site which lets you download 20 pages for $A10. (Credit card payment) You can also order certificates from the site. It's good value but I found the site laboriously slow and you have to use all your credits at the one sitting. Once you log out you lose your unused $'s. Be careful to follow directions carefully. I exited without realising I was doing it. I didn't find the site terribly user friendly. http://www1.maxi.com.au/devs/Main.maxi Good searching Kathy

Hello, Jean: I've been looking for my Adams ancestors for nearly 30 years, so don't feel bad. We were beginning to think they came from under a rock somewhere! Now, however, things are looking up and I've found several long-lost cousins whom I previously didn't know existed. These computers are wonderful, aren't they? Hope that your contact has the information that we all need. Please let me hear from you again. Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Francis H. Nichols Jr <jjnichols@capecod.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. >Hello, Lucille, >I have been looking for my Adam/Adams relations for a year now, you are >right, they are like John Smith's here in the States. I am awaiting a reply >from a gentlman who wrote me, I ''think'' he has what I need. If you could >give me some info on you Adam's I will try and corrolate what I have, if >there seems to be a link. >Sincerely, >Jean Nichols >jjnichols@capecod.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lucille A Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 1:31 PM >Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. > > >> Thank you, Edward; it's a fascinating study. Have been looking for our >> James Adams' ancestors for several years now; just discovered his >> participation in the Battle of Dunbar about 8 years ago, but I've been >told >> that looking for Adamses in Scotland is like looking for John Smith in the >> U.S. >> >> Thanks so much for your explanation. >> >> Lucille (Adams) Richmond >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edward Andrews <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> >> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:54 AM >> Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. >> >> >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: BaggyGenes <bagygenz@napanet.net> >> >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:30 AM >> >Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. >> > >> > >> >> Hi Edward -- Would you happen to know where one might obtain prisoner's >> >lists >> >> from Dunbar and Worcester? There are several other researchers who >have >> >been >> >> trying to locate such lists, without much luck. There's evidently one >> >ship's >> >> list for Worcester prisoners online but nothing else. Would prisoners >> >have >> >> been listed in Scotland, or in England? What ports were used to send >> them >> >to >> >> the colonies? >> >> >> >> Any help most appreciated. >> >> >> >> Judy >> > >> > Think about it. Americans are still looking for MIAs from Viet Nam, and >> >after WW2 there was a lot of work which had to be done in trying to >locate >> >displaced persons. >> > 350 years ago there was not the same interest in records, and people >would >> >not have been thinking in the possibility of people coming behind having >> any >> >interest in the people. >> > The armies which fought were not full time. People either turned up or >> were >> >made to turn up and marched off. >> > Luck would be the essence of the game. A piece of paper survives, or >> >someone copies a list into a journal which survives. >> > The reason why, until recently, history has been the story of the great >> and >> >famous is because the only sources which existed in profusion are about >the >> >great and famous. We may well know all about the guy who had his head >> >chopped off in the Tower, and not even have the names of a dozen who were >> >hanged at Tyburn. >> > You ask would the prisoners have been listed in Scotland or England. >Think >> >about it. The 13,000 of the Scottish army - a Scotland which was being >> >garrisoned by English troops marched south. 2,000 were killed and 10,000 >> >made prisoner. What lists would there be in Scotland? Muster lists. >> Scotland >> >was however undergoing military occupation. Towns were being besieged. >The >> >Scottish records were captured in Stirling, the Honours of Scotland >(Crown >> >Jewels) narrowly escaped the same, and the records were taken down to >> >London. The ship sank which was bringing them back. >> > In England there might be a list. At what stage would it be taken? by >the >> >NCO who was at the capture - he probably couldn't write, and hadn't paper >> >handy. The gaoler when they got to a building? >> > The answer is that they would probably only be listed when they were >told >> >off for deportation. Fortunately, I believe that there is a record of >them >> >(or at least a partial record of them) and I think that it is published >> >somewhere. It is however not my subject and I only know a very little >about >> >records of interest to Americans >> > The amazing thing is not that there are so few records of that time, but >> >that there are so many. To get at them however you have to be actually >> >looking at places like the PRO. Some is published, some has been >> transcribed >> >and not published. Some turn up in Private collections. There is very >> little >> >on the net. It is really an area where if you want to get anywhere new, >you >> >need >> >professional support. >> > >> > People comment about how difficult it is to trace people on this side of >> >the pond. Generally speaking your records are better kept. There are also >> >more public records which have survived. There is also much more interest >> in >> >genealogy in America than there is on this side of the pond. >> > You now see why it is important to have an understanding of history and >> the >> >society about which you are working. >> > Edward Andrews >> > >> > >> > >> >St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland >> >Visit our Web site >> http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >> >Scottish Universities >> >Their Libraries & Archives >> >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jimjar/jimjargg.htm >> > >> >============================== >> >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >> >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >> >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >> > >> >> >> ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >> For Scotland history..... >> http://members.aol.com/Skyelander/timeline.html >> >> ============================== >> Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >> > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Documentation....The hardest >part of genealogy. > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >

Hi - Try this site may be of some assistance. Jenny http://members.tripod.com/surnames/australia/victoria.htm Wolfgang & Cheryl Kessler wrote: > Hi, > As far as I know there is no online searchable index for Victorian BDM, > there is however one for NSW. > > http://203.111.111.137/cgi-bin/bdm?form=indexes >

Hello, Lucille, I have been looking for my Adam/Adams relations for a year now, you are right, they are like John Smith's here in the States. I am awaiting a reply from a gentlman who wrote me, I ''think'' he has what I need. If you could give me some info on you Adam's I will try and corrolate what I have, if there seems to be a link. Sincerely, Jean Nichols jjnichols@capecod.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucille A Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. > Thank you, Edward; it's a fascinating study. Have been looking for our > James Adams' ancestors for several years now; just discovered his > participation in the Battle of Dunbar about 8 years ago, but I've been told > that looking for Adamses in Scotland is like looking for John Smith in the > U.S. > > Thanks so much for your explanation. > > Lucille (Adams) Richmond > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward Andrews <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: BaggyGenes <bagygenz@napanet.net> > >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:30 AM > >Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion. > > > > > >> Hi Edward -- Would you happen to know where one might obtain prisoner's > >lists > >> from Dunbar and Worcester? There are several other researchers who have > >been > >> trying to locate such lists, without much luck. There's evidently one > >ship's > >> list for Worcester prisoners online but nothing else. Would prisoners > >have > >> been listed in Scotland, or in England? What ports were used to send > them > >to > >> the colonies? > >> > >> Any help most appreciated. > >> > >> Judy > > > > Think about it. Americans are still looking for MIAs from Viet Nam, and > >after WW2 there was a lot of work which had to be done in trying to locate > >displaced persons. > > 350 years ago there was not the same interest in records, and people would > >not have been thinking in the possibility of people coming behind having > any > >interest in the people. > > The armies which fought were not full time. People either turned up or > were > >made to turn up and marched off. > > Luck would be the essence of the game. A piece of paper survives, or > >someone copies a list into a journal which survives. > > The reason why, until recently, history has been the story of the great > and > >famous is because the only sources which existed in profusion are about the > >great and famous. We may well know all about the guy who had his head > >chopped off in the Tower, and not even have the names of a dozen who were > >hanged at Tyburn. > > You ask would the prisoners have been listed in Scotland or England. Think > >about it. The 13,000 of the Scottish army - a Scotland which was being > >garrisoned by English troops marched south. 2,000 were killed and 10,000 > >made prisoner. What lists would there be in Scotland? Muster lists. > Scotland > >was however undergoing military occupation. Towns were being besieged. The > >Scottish records were captured in Stirling, the Honours of Scotland (Crown > >Jewels) narrowly escaped the same, and the records were taken down to > >London. The ship sank which was bringing them back. > > In England there might be a list. At what stage would it be taken? by the > >NCO who was at the capture - he probably couldn't write, and hadn't paper > >handy. The gaoler when they got to a building? > > The answer is that they would probably only be listed when they were told > >off for deportation. Fortunately, I believe that there is a record of them > >(or at least a partial record of them) and I think that it is published > >somewhere. It is however not my subject and I only know a very little about > >records of interest to Americans > > The amazing thing is not that there are so few records of that time, but > >that there are so many. To get at them however you have to be actually > >looking at places like the PRO. Some is published, some has been > transcribed > >and not published. Some turn up in Private collections. There is very > little > >on the net. It is really an area where if you want to get anywhere new, you > >need > >professional support. > > > > People comment about how difficult it is to trace people on this side of > >the pond. Generally speaking your records are better kept. There are also > >more public records which have survived. There is also much more interest > in > >genealogy in America than there is on this side of the pond. > > You now see why it is important to have an understanding of history and > the > >society about which you are working. > > Edward Andrews > > > > > > > >St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland > >Visit our Web site > http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > >Scottish Universities > >Their Libraries & Archives > >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jimjar/jimjargg.htm > > > >============================== > >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > For Scotland history..... > http://members.aol.com/Skyelander/timeline.html > > ============================== > Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >

Hi For Victorian BDM's online, which is fee based: http://www.1.maxi.com.au/devs/main.maxi

I tried it and it worked fine. Most of it is very american. Toni ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Lucille A Richmond" <cwrichmond@snet.net> Reply-To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: troublesome web address - solution Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:42:25 -0400 Meg, I tried this solution, but got "too many java errors" and Norton Crashguard stepped in to terminate the program! Yuggh. Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: mon <mon1@tig.com.au> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 9:24 AM Subject: troublesome web address - solution >Instead of >http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=&id=frasbett >just try http://www.worldwide-top100.net/ >then click on the genealogy box > >HTH >Meg (Sydney) > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Scottish Universities >Their Libraries & Archives >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jimjar/jimjargg.htm > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== Think BEFORE you post ! ============================== Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Meg, I tried this solution, but got "too many java errors" and Norton Crashguard stepped in to terminate the program! Yuggh. Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: mon <mon1@tig.com.au> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 9:24 AM Subject: troublesome web address - solution >Instead of >http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=&id=frasbett >just try http://www.worldwide-top100.net/ >then click on the genealogy box > >HTH >Meg (Sydney) > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Scottish Universities >Their Libraries & Archives >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jimjar/jimjargg.htm > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

For your information: MacArthur e-mail list address: MacArthur-L@rootsweb.com . To subscribe insert the word 'request' between the L & @ as usual. MacArthur Family Tree Project: http://www.web.netactive.co.za/~donmac List moderator is Don McArthur in South Africa. Charles, from your e-mail address I am unable to figure out where you live. Jane, I believe you are from somewhere in Great Britain. If you are interested in joining Clan MacArthur Society and receive The Round Table, quarterly newsletter of Clan Arthur (as we have been designated by Lord Lyon) and its six MacArthur Societies there are addresses by country to apply to. In USA send your request for application to: Faith McArthur, Executive Secretary, P.O. Box 190, Pinehurst, NC 28374. You should then receive an application and a 5 generation chart to fill out and return. For southern Africa (our newest society) the high commissioner and, I suppose, contact person is: Dr. Malcolm McArthur (e-mail me privately if you want the addresses for these). For Australia: Robert S. MacArthur. For Britain Clan Commander James E. MacArthur or Robert D. McArthur (I believe this is the person Jane mentioned). For Canada: Lloyd K. McArthur. For New Zealand: Dr. Eric J.B. McArthur. Should the commissioner not be the proper contact person I'm sure each would furnish you with correct info on who to apply to. Clan MacArthur is celebrating again (first at the July Grandfather Mountain Highland Games in N.C.) our 25th anniversary at Stone Mountain Highland Games close to Atlanta, GA October 16 & 17 and it would be a great opportunity for meeting some of the finest people in the USA, Charles---and maybe even some distant cousins. We're always happy to meet a new MacArthur and to start trying to make a connection. Mary Lander Mississippi Gulf Coast Proud member of Clan MacArthur Society ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Macgillivray <jane@providence2000.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: Re: clan MacArthur > I know there's a good Clan Macarthur data base on-line that might have some > info, who knows. I'm afraid I don't have the http but perhaps you could use > a browser. Bob McArthur put it all together. Jane > > 18th cent Macgillivray OPRs Strathnairn > http://www.mygale.org/~ancestor/dunlichity/index.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: charles k mac arthur <c.mac.arthur@worldnet.att.net> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday 26 September 1999 18:04 > Subject: clan MacArthur > > > >I am new at the geaneology search can some one help me, my gfather james > macarthur,my father charles > >macarthur came over from glasgow abt.1913-1914 my gfather was born 1878, my > father was born 1901 both in > >the glasgow area i don' know where to start,james macarthur was married > twice first wife unkown.she gasve > >birth to charles, james jr and david who was a career naval man in us > retired as aCPO. Gfather james remarried > >in the states to elizabeth who was born in scotland in 1884, and gave birth > here to john m., last known address > >Maryland they (john m) had a son david. James & elizabeth also had a son > william angus b.1917 died 1934 in a > >drowning accident. Let me know if any of this sounds familiar please > > > >______________________________ > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Think BEFORE you post ! > > ============================== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

Instead of http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=&id=frasbett just try http://www.worldwide-top100.net/ then click on the genealogy box HTH Meg (Sydney)

----- Original Message ----- From: John K Shearer <jk_shearer@email.msn.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Roundheads v Scots > Good Morning Wanda, > > >In my initial letter I refered to the Battle of Worcestor as being in the > >Scottish Civil War and I realize now I should have refered to it as the > >English Civil War. Over here have heard it refered to both ways and never > >thought anything about it. > > I am glad you raised the issue. I had not heard that particular war > described as a Scottish Civil War before but now that I have read what > Edward had to say I believe it would be fair to describe it as a British > Civil War. I had previously thought of these events as adventures by Scots > in the English Civil War. Generally it is called the English Civil war, which is really a silly name for it, but reflects the habit of the English to see themselves at the centre of things. You have to remember that Scotland and England after 1603 shared the same king, but were independent politically of each other. The King of Scotland and England was also the king of Ireland. The best name for the war was the war of the three kingdoms. The history of the period is fiendishly complicated, and even today still raises passion. Edward Andrews St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm

Our widespread exposure to the joys of the "1881British Census and National Index" from the LDS Church, seems to have triggered off a rash of requests to "SKSs", to do " quick" Census look-ups for a variety of years, and for uncertain locations! It will help to ease this flow of requests if we all contribute to a better understanding of the reality of the work load we are expecting these "SKSs" to do for us. We ought to be making clear to all our members where Census reports can be inspected, and researched, and perhaps more importantly for which years, and locations Census Indexes are available for inspection and research. Having spent many days in the old Census rooms in Portugal Street in London, I know only too well the hours that often have to be spent locating the films for a particular city street, or country village, before one even gives a thought to the family to be researched. Then one realises the futility of even starting without anything more than a hunch for an address, let alone just a general direction. Census Indexes have changed all that of course - but - they only exist for 1841, and 1851, so far as I can see, for the majority of Counties and Parishes, and then seldom for both. Banffshire almost alone seems to have Indices for 1861. Two essential Ref Books "Scottish Census Indexes" compiled by Peter Ruthven-Murray for the DAofFHSs. 1998, ISBN 1-874722-13-7 "Census Records for Scottish Families at Home and Abroad" by Gordon Johnson, pub by the A&NE FHS, ISBN 0947659 74 9 . The first shows that the local FHS almost always has the Indexes for it's area, after all it's members probably did all the Indexing. The second shows a Directory of the availability of Census Reports, essentially around the local authority network. Hopefully others can add to, or correct this summary. My principal purpose has been to encourage enquirers to think carefully about the workload they may be asking their "SKSs" to undertake on their behalf. Also to think about the grave problems of firing off good well intentioned souls, with only half the story. Good location guides are essential for searching in the Census Reports as such. Not so vital, if Indices happen to be available. Of course, these days, one can ask the GRO or Scottish Origins to do that search for you, but one has to pay!! The GRO for any Census, the SO only for the more recent years. I hope we can generate some constructive feedback. Jim R Eumundi, Qld., Oz.

Hi, There was a site called VicGold at one stage. Do not know if it is still operating but the URL was http://ke.com.au/cgi-bin The Govt site for Vic is at http://www.vic.gov.au You could try it for BDM indexes Failing this, I have BDM's for Vic 1837 - 1888 if this is any use to you. Email me direct please for a lookup Wolfgang & Cheryl Kessler wrote: > > Hi, > As far as I know there is no online searchable index for Victorian BDM, > there is however one for NSW. > > http://203.111.111.137/cgi-bin/bdm?form=indexes > > Happy searching > > Cheryl > > researching MASTERTON > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Beware of the Genealogy Bug; > It's bite can be addictive! > > ============================== > Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! -- Regards Pat Stedman Queensland, Australia ============================================================ See my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/8397 One name studies for Kiellor and Rawden ============================================================

Good Morning Wanda, >In my initial letter I refered to the Battle of Worcestor as being in the >Scottish Civil War and I realize now I should have refered to it as the >English Civil War. Over here have heard it refered to both ways and never >thought anything about it. I am glad you raised the issue. I had not heard that particular war described as a Scottish Civil War before but now that I have read what Edward had to say I believe it would be fair to describe it as a British Civil War. I had previously thought of these events as adventures by Scots in the English Civil War. The official Scots Army, under Leslie, helped the Roundheads defeat Charles I because the Scots Parliament agreed to support the English Parlament. The English paid the Scots army, £30,000 per month. However, one of Scotlands finest soldiers, James Graham of Montrose, fought a brilliant guerilla war in Scotland on the King's behalf. He was a Covenanter but his loyalty to his King was more important to him than the form of religious worship he used. His army was mostly composed of Highlanders and Irish irregulars. He routed the forces left in Scotland repeatedly but when Charles I was defeated, at Naesby ,the Scots army returned and defeated Montrose at Philiphaugh, in September 1645. After 1645 the Scots reverted to their traditional willingness to fight the English. The English took four years to decide to excecute Charles I and during this 'dithering' time some Scots offered to support the King in exchange for guarantees of religious freedom. This led to the Duke of Hamilton leading a poorly equipped and poorly trained army into England which was easily beaten by Cromwell at Preston in 1648. The Marquis of Argyle then made a deal with Cromwell and Hamilton's party, the Engagers, with the Royalists, became second class citizens. In 1649 when Charles I was excecuted some Scots became angry and proclaimed his son Charles II king. Montrose led a Royalist uprising and was defeated and excecuted. However, Charles II then signed every guarantee the Scots parliament requested and the Scots engaged Cromwell's army and were badly beaten at Dunbar in 1650. >From that point on Scotland, Ireland and England were part of The Commonwealth, a republic, which tried to be democratic but became a benevolent dictatorship. In 1651 Charles II led a largely irregular Scottish army in a last uprising and they were defeated at Worcester. Your Royalist ancestor John Ross may have been involved in much of this. He lived in exciting times. John Shearer

Hi, As far as I know there is no online searchable index for Victorian BDM, there is however one for NSW. http://203.111.111.137/cgi-bin/bdm?form=indexes Happy searching Cheryl researching MASTERTON

Found the book and hope I've done the lookups everyone asked for. Sorry we didn't have any matches. The book can be found, I think at the American Plantation website. Thanks Blessings, Wanda Every evening I turn my troubles over to God - He's going to be up all night anyway. [Donald J. Morgan, Columbus, Ohio]

Terry, Sorry, no luck. The title of the book, by the way is "DIRECTORY OF SCOTS BANISHED to the AMERICAN PLANTATIONS" 1650-1775 by David Dobson. My cousin gave it to me and I think she sent away to the bookstore on the American Plantation site. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Blessings, Wanda Every evening I turn my troubles over to God - He's going to be up all night anyway. [Donald J. Morgan, Columbus, Ohio]

A relative of mine and I have been searching for particular Kennedy and McColl families that lived on Jura in 1841. We were able to use the IGI to find one more generation back for the Kennedy's. The McColl's, however, seem to be a little more difficult. Marion McColl was working (farm laborer) in 1841 (age 15). She is not listed with anyone we can identify as relatives. Family lore says her parents were John McColl and Mary McDuffie. I can not find these in the IGI. We did find a Marion McColl of the right age, daughter of John McColl, in the IGI. My relative said she was told some more family lore that said Flory and Arch McColl were relatives. Their mother was a Buie and father was John McColl. In 1841, Flory and Arch were in the Buie household with their mother. Their mother was listed as a Buie. After searching the IGI, I have found no other clues to a connection. My relative has been using other sources of records for Scotland, but has found no more new information. I would appreciate any opinions anyone may have on how Flory and Arch are related to Marion, where Marion's family might be, and what additional records to search to look for facts. Melanie

Hi Jim, I was able to access the site this time, and have just spent the last two hours on there. Thanks very much it is brilliant with lots of useful links. Mandy Fox. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clan Munro (Association) Australia <clanmunro@hotmail.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 11:02 PM Subject: WRONG URL-Family Research website > > Correct one > > http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=in&id=frasbett > > > James > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > > ============================== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

In my initial letter I refered to the Battle of Worcestor as being in the Scottish Civil War and I realize now I should have refered to it as the English Civil War. Over here have heard it refered to both ways and never thought anything about it. To those who asked me to do lookups in my book of ship's lists, I may not get to it til this weekend but will definately do it. I cleaned so well a few weeks ago that I have to remember where I put the book. Hope all of you have a great week. Blessings, Wanda Ross Every evening I turn my troubles over to God - He's going to be up all night anyway. [Donald J. Morgan, Columbus, Ohio]

Hi McLean Clan friends I understand that I may have forwarded this request to a wrong list. Sorry if I repeat same. I realise that families move around Scotland for a variety of reasons in the 17/1800 and would desperately like to find out likely research areas for the Maclean's listed below who are all descendants of Duncan McLean and Margaret Menzies who married in Dull I have been using the Perthshire and Lanark rootsweb sites for some time and find it difficult to believe that I cannot find at least one connection to either Ancestors or Descendent to my McLean listings. I have listed all my McLean relatives know were born in Scotland. I hope I find some connections: Descendants of: Peter McLean Born in Scotland Duncan or Peter McLean m. 14 Feb 1767(Dull),Margaret Menzies Known Children of Duncan and Margaret Menzies: 1. Alexander McLean circa 1767 ?? d. 2 Aug 1856 (Gilmerton) m. 19 May 1810 (Monzie),Margaret (Janet) McTavish b. 17 Feb 1781(Dull), d. 31 Dec 1869 (Gilmerton) Children of Alexander McLean and Margaret McTavish: 1. Peter McLean b. circa 1810 (???)d. 26 Jan 1880 (Perth Infirmary u.r Gilmerton) m. 22 Nov 1835(Bridgeton of Almond Redgorton), Elizabeth Heggie b. 3 Jun 1815 (Miretown) d. 21 May 1856 m. 6 Jan 1863(Gilmerton) Grace Morris b. circa 1828 2. Margaret McLean b. 31 Jul 1814 (Monzie) 3. Janet McLean b. 21 Apr 1816 (Monzie) 4. Duncan McLean b. 24 Mar 1818 (Monzie) d. 13 Mar 1894(Belnallow) m. 20 Nov 1842 Margaret (Maggie) Sharp d. 6 Jul 1893 5. John McLean b. 10 Nov 1822 (Monzie) 6. Alexander McLean b. 13 Mar 1825(Monzie) 7. Archibald McLean b. 9 Dec 1827(Monzie) Children of Peter McLean (circa 1810) and Elizabeth Heggie: 1. Alexander McLean b. 21 Jan 1836(Monzie) d. 10 Feb 1910 m. 5 Dec 1856(Balbeggie Reg Kinnoul)Janet McConachie/McCondochie b. circa:1830(Kilspindie) d. oct 1858(West Pilmore - Longforgan, buried Kilfauns Churchyard) m. 24 Aug 1861 Isabella Immirrie Morris b. 12 Dec 1842 d. 19 Sep 1926 2. Janet McLean b. 14 May 1837(Monzie) Children by Grace Morris:- 1. William McLean b. 14 Feb 1864 (Fowlis Wester) 2. John McLean b. 18 Feb 1866 (Fowlis Wester) Children of Alexander McLean and Janet McConachie:- 1. Peter McLean b. 30 May 1857(Errol) d. ?? m. circa 1882(Kirkcaldy) Isabella Wilson Children of Duncan McLean b:24/3/1818 and Margaret Sharp:- 1. John McLean b. 24 Jun 1842(Fowlis Wester) d. 24 Apr 1877 2. Alexander McLean b. 5 Feb 1844 (Fowlis Wester) 3. Margaret McLean b. 17 Apr 1846(Fowlis Wester)d. 1909 4 Janet (Maggie)McLean b. 9 Nov 1847(Fowlis Wester) d. 1940 5. Ann McLean b. 19 Oct 1849(Fowlis Wester) 6. Jane McLean b. 17 Sep 1851(Fowlis Wester) d. 1919 7. Duncan McLean b. 21 Dec 1853 d. 1925 8.Peter McLean b. 19 Nov 1855 (Fowlis Wester) d. 1918 m. 22 Nov 1881(Glascow) Jemima Smeaton b. 1859 d. 1931 9. Isabella McLean b: 27 Apr 1858 (Fowlis Wester 10 Archibald McLean 17 April 1860 (Fowlis Wester) 11 Mary McLean b: 9 June 1862 (Fowlis Wester) d: 1945 12 Catherine Sharp McLean b: 15 Apr 1869, (Fowlis Wester) 13 Helen McLean b: 27 Jan 1871 m ?? Doig Children of ?? Doig and Helen McLean 1. Peter Doig 2. Duncan Doig 3. David Doig 4. Margaret Doig 5. Jean Doig 6. Nan Doig m. Jim Currie Doug McLean Warragul Vic. 3820 Australia Researching: Alexander McLean Crieff > Australia, Alexander McLean Midlothian/Fife> Australia plus ancestors of same.