My heart felt THANKS to all of you listers who sent me the information which I asked for. Now, another question.........PLEASE READ ON........ In 1679 two of my relatives, brothers, were members of the Covenanter 'Army' that was defeated at the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. These two brothers were marched, along with about 1200 other captured prisoners, to the Greyfriars Churchyard where they were detained. Then about the 1st part of December, 1679, all of the surviving prisoners were forced to march down to the harbour at Leith and crammed into the hold of a merchant ship the "Crown", on which they were to be taken to the West Indies or America and, there, sold as slaves. As the ship approched Deerness in the Orkney Islands, the weather was so bad that locals advised Captain Patterson to make land and not go any further. He didn't heed their advise and sailed on. Soon the storm overtook the ship. The Captain ordered the crew members to batten down the hatches, and then they all crawled along a fallen mast to the shore. It is thought that one of the crew members chopped a hole in the deck and some of the prisoners were able to escape. In fact 50 or so of the Covenanters did escape. My ancestor and his brother were amoung those fortunate souls. The captain did recapture many of those escaping prisoners. But again, my ancestors were either very fortunate or were extremely adept at hiding. Some of the other escaping prisoners were able to find and board a vessel which was headed for Holland. I feel that my ancestors, after learning that many of the people there in Deerness were named Ritch, changed their own names to Ritch and not actually knowing how to spell, ended up with the name of Rich. My ancestors, the Rich brothers ended up on the isle of Hoy where they apparently lived for the remainder of their lives. Now I do not know the givin names of these two brothers, nor do I know the names of any of their decendants until the birth of Hugh Rich in about 1759. I'm looking for some help to fill in that 80 year spread of time. Now for the real problem. I need a list of the prisoners who were aboard that ship. I feel that when I get that list and find a pair of brothers, then I will know who my ancestors were and then I should be able to trace my genealogy back even further. Somewhere there must be a person who either knows of that list or knows where I could go about locating it. Wont you please help me. I hope to hear from you soon. Respectfully Mel Rich E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com

Toni, I hope this helps. Andrea Dwelling: 20 Smithy Croft Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 16 Page 29 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John HUDSON M 63 M Boysack Mill, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Flax Dresser (Unemployed) Cecilia HUDSON M 53 F Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary HUDSON U 22 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Mill Worker (Unemployed) James HUDSON U 18 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Mill Worker William HUDSON U 14 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Mill Worker ********************** Dwelling: 41 Lochland St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203475 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 24 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George HUDSON M 29 M St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Stoaker (At Gasworks) Jane HUDSON M 27 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife David HUDSON 7 M St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary HUDSON 4 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Mary Ellen HUDSON 2 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Charles HUDSON 1 m M St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son ************************************** These are all the Hudson's I found, born Forfar/Angus. I only found the one Charles, but wrong parents. HUDSON, John Head <1818> Birth: Angu Boysack Mill Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Cecilia Wife <1828> Birth: Angu Brechin Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Samuel Head <1837> Birth: Angu Forfar Census: Forf Dundee HUDSON, Christina Wife <1841> Birth: Angu Montrose Census: Forf Montrose HUDSON, Jessie Wife <1851> Birth: Angu Dundee Census: Forf Dundee HUDSON, George Head <1852> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Jane Wife <1854> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Mary Dau <1859> Birth: Angu Arbroath Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, James Son <1863> Birth: Angu Arbroath Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, William Son <1867> Birth: Angu Arbroath Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, William Son <1869> Birth: Angu Dundee Census: Forf Dundee HUDSON, Celia Niec <1873> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, David Son <1874> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Isabella E. Dau <1876> Birth: Angu Dundee Census: Forf Liff & Benvie HUDSON, Mary Dau <1877> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, William H. Son <1877> Birth: Angu Montrose Census: Forf Montrose HUDSON, Maggie Dau <1878> Birth: Angu Dundee Census: Forf Dundee HUDSON, Jane Dau <1879> Birth: Angu Dundee Census: Forf Dundee HUDSON, Mary Ellen Dau <1879> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Arthur J. Son <1880> Birth: Angu Montrose Census: Forf Montrose HUDSON, Willm. S. Son <1880> Birth: Angu Barry Census: Forf Liff & Benvie HUDSON, Charles Son <1881> Birth: Angu St Vigeans Census: Forf St Vigeans HUDSON, Helen Dau <1881> Birth: Angu Dundee Census: Forf Dundee > Andrea, > thanks ever so much for that -you've found one of my familes - the SMARTs. > Would you mind doing another look-up to see if you can find my other > family:- > Father: John Hudson > Mother: Cecilia > Son: Charles Hudson age approx. 21 (25 in 1885 in W/C) >

Hi, I have some new names for my research and wondered if anyone has any connections. 1, Margaret SMART (24 in 1885) - Parents Joseph SMART and Mary MUNRO. Other children of Joseph and Mary are Mary SMART ( 21 in 1881), Ann SMART (13 in 1881), Robert SMART (6 in 1881). All born in Forfar 2, Charled HUDSON (25 in 1885) - Parents John HUDSON and Cecilia DAWSON. John died in 1883. Anyone come across any of the above during their research? Toni ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Can someone please recommend any good books on the history of the area of Dumfries? Also, can someone tell me where abouts Forfar is, or point me in the direction of a decent map on the internet. Many thanks Toni ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Andrea, thanks ever so much for that -you've found one of my familes - the SMARTs. Would you mind doing another look-up to see if you can find my other family:- Father: John Hudson Mother: Cecilia Son: Charles Hudson age approx. 21 (25 in 1885 in W/C) I would imagine that they would be in the same vincinity as the previous adresses. I would be very grateful for your help. Thanks ever so much Toni ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Andrea A. Ferguson" <fergus@worldnetla.net> Reply-To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 1881 Census Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:41:36 -0500 Toni, I didn't see a Leonard St, in Arbroath. Arbroath and St Vigeans are right next to each other. I hopt this helps. Best wishes, Andrea Ferguson Dwelling: 38 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph SMART M 43 M Carmyllie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Flesher General Mary SMART M 40 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Fleshers Wife Mary SMART U 21 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Linen Weaver (Power Loom) Margret SMART U 19 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Linen Weaver (Power Loom) Ann SMART U 13 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Yarn Winder (Power Loom) Robert SMART 6 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 38 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FAIRWEATHER M 26 M Aberlemno, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Lathsplitter Unemployed Margret FAIRWEATHER M 24 F Farnell, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Jessie M. FAIRWEATHER 3 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Isabella FAIRWEATHER 1 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Dwelling: 38 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David GUILD M 26 M Inverkeillor, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Tailor Journeyman Mary Ann GUILD M 26 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife John C. S. GUILD 9 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Dwelling: 36 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ALLAN M 27 M Craig, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Stone Mason Journeyman Matilda ALLAN M 28 F Stirling, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander ALLAN 6 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John ALLAN 4 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Jane H. ALLAN 3 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur David ALLAN 5 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son ************** Dwelling: 20 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 26 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James MATTHEW M 41 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mill Mechanic Mary MATTHEW M 40 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary MATTHEW U 16 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Flax Millworker Robert MATTHEW U 13 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Printer Apprentice Elizabeth MATTHEW U 9 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane Ann MATTHEW 7 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James MATTHEW 3 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Building: 20 Leonard St UNINHABITED Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 27 Dwelling: 20 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William MAN M 23 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Slater Mary MAN M 22 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife William MAN 1 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Alexander MAN 1 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Jane MCPHERSON U 19 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Millworker Flax Betsy MCPHERSON U 14 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Millworker Flax Dwelling: 20 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHEPHERD M 48 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Flax Dresser Charlotte SHEPHERD M 43 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Spinner Flax Mill > Hi, > can SKS please look up the following addresses for me please.:- > 20 Leonard Street > 38 Leonard Street > District: Arbroah in the county of Forgar. > > Thanks in advance > > Toni ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== Documentation....The hardest part of genealogy. ============================== Caught an error in the Social Security Death Index? Use RootsWeb's POST-EMS to post a note about it! http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Thanks to you, Jim McArthur, for all of the very interesting information which you just sent to me, I really do appreciate it. Respectfully Mel Rich E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com

Toni, I didn't see a Leonard St, in Arbroath. Arbroath and St Vigeans are right next to each other. I hopt this helps. Best wishes, Andrea Ferguson Dwelling: 38 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph SMART M 43 M Carmyllie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Flesher General Mary SMART M 40 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Fleshers Wife Mary SMART U 21 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Linen Weaver (Power Loom) Margret SMART U 19 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Linen Weaver (Power Loom) Ann SMART U 13 F St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Yarn Winder (Power Loom) Robert SMART 6 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 38 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FAIRWEATHER M 26 M Aberlemno, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Lathsplitter Unemployed Margret FAIRWEATHER M 24 F Farnell, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Jessie M. FAIRWEATHER 3 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Isabella FAIRWEATHER 1 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Dwelling: 38 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David GUILD M 26 M Inverkeillor, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Tailor Journeyman Mary Ann GUILD M 26 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife John C. S. GUILD 9 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Dwelling: 36 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ALLAN M 27 M Craig, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Stone Mason Journeyman Matilda ALLAN M 28 F Stirling, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander ALLAN 6 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John ALLAN 4 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Jane H. ALLAN 3 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur David ALLAN 5 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son ************** Dwelling: 20 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 26 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James MATTHEW M 41 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mill Mechanic Mary MATTHEW M 40 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary MATTHEW U 16 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Flax Millworker Robert MATTHEW U 13 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Printer Apprentice Elizabeth MATTHEW U 9 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane Ann MATTHEW 7 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James MATTHEW 3 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Building: 20 Leonard St UNINHABITED Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 27 Dwelling: 20 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William MAN M 23 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Slater Mary MAN M 22 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife William MAN 1 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Alexander MAN 1 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Jane MCPHERSON U 19 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Millworker Flax Betsy MCPHERSON U 14 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Millworker Flax Dwelling: 20 Leonard St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 18 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHEPHERD M 48 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Flax Dresser Charlotte SHEPHERD M 43 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Spinner Flax Mill > Hi, > can SKS please look up the following addresses for me please.:- > 20 Leonard Street > 38 Leonard Street > District: Arbroah in the county of Forgar. > > Thanks in advance > > Toni

Betty, Thank you for posting the info from the poorhouse. I think I've located someone, need to do a bit more research to know for sure but it's real promising. Thanks again. Jane -----Original Message----- From: Betty Wintersteen <BAWWYN@webtv.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:24 PM Subject: 1881 CENSUS Hi Listers: In playing around with my CDs and looking for distaff family members I have come across several interesting addresses and occupants. I will be sending these lists one at a time. - ---------------------------------------------------- "City Poor House" Nelson Street Aberdeen Aberdeen, St. Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland FHL film 0203446 GRO Ref. Vol. 168-1 EnumDist 69 page 3 Robert LOW W 82 M bn. Dundee, Forfar Rel. Pauper Occ: Mariner Thomas LUKE W 79 M bn. Guernsey Channel Islands Rel. Pauper Occ: Weaver James ROSS M 56 M bn.St. Fergus, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Shoemaker William RANDALL U 56 M bn. Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Pauper Occ: Shoemaker Alexander PIRIE W 69 M bn. Rathven, Banff Rel. Pauper Occ: Shore Labourer Hugh CAMPBELL U 74 M bn. Bonhill, Dunbarton Rel. Pauper Occ: Hawker William SHEPPARD M 63 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Clerk James RAE U 61 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Comb Maker Peter ALLAN W 70 M bn. Dundee, Forfar Rel. Pauper Occ: Shoemaker John SCOTT U 72 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Mariner Robert DUNCAN U 68 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Chain Maker William KINNEAR M 42 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Hawker John MCGREGOR U 64 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Chain Maker Alexander MCKAY W 76 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Carpet Weaver William SCOTT W 60 M bn. Forgue, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Wincey Weaver Alexander WILKIE U 15 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: None Handicap: Blind David DONALD U 51 M bn. Machar, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Shore Labourer James CARNEGIE U 16 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Clerke James TAIT W 69 M bn. Berwick On Tweed Rel. Pauper Occ: Farm Labourer William THOMSON M 67 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Carver & Gilder David GRAY W 70 M bn. Glasgow, Lanark Rel. Pauper Occ: Foundry Labourer Robert DUNCAN U 31 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: Rope Spinner Alexander SIMPSON U 35 M bn. Aberdeen, Aberdeen Rel. Pauper Occ: House Painter John SCOTT W 68 M bn. Gamrie, Banff Rel. Pauper Occ: Joiner William HARDIE U 56 M bn. Banchary Teman, Kincardine Rel. Pauper Occ: Shoemaker ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== For Scotland history..... http://members.aol.com/Skyelander/timeline.html ============================== Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet!

Hi, can SKS please look up the following addresses for me please.:- 20 Leonard Street 38 Leonard Street District: Arbroah in the county of Forgar. Thanks in advance Toni ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

What a lovely idea. I would like a copy please. My mother was born in Hawick, and several in the family were married in Edinburgh. Lucille Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> -----Original Message----- From: JJardcinc@aol.com <JJardcinc@aol.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:43 PM Subject: Re: GREYFRIARS CHURCH? >MRICH: > >I took a photo of the church while in Edinburgh in August. Would you (or >anyone else on the list) like a copy via email attachment, along with photos >of Greyfriars Bobby statue and his gravestone? > >John Jardine >Cincinnati, Ohio > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Genealogy Help List >http://posom.com/hl/ > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Dear Listers, Will some kind soul please tell me the location as described below? "This engagement between Government ans Convenanting forces took place in the aftermath of the murder of Archbishop Sharp on Magus Moor in Fife on 3rd May, 1679." Where is Fife? What does Magus Moor mean? If it is a place, where is it? What was Archbishop Sharp's given name? Thanks a lot for all of the help which you have already given to me. And, especially thank you for the answers to these questions. Respectfully Mel Rich E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com

In a message dated 10/8/99 9:58:54 AM Central Daylight Time, tmarshall52@hotmail.com writes: > can SKS please look up the following addresses for me please.:- > 20 Leonard Street > 38 Leonard Street > District: Arbroah in the county of Forgar. > Assuming you mean Arbroath in Forfar - at 20 Leonard St. there is a family MATTHEW, a family MAN, and a family SHEPHERD. At 38 Leonard St. there is a family SWANSON, a family SMART, a family FAIRWEATHER and a family GUILD.

Hi Listers I understand that some Burgess Records have been published. I am interested in Greenock records. Would anyone know whether these are available? I understand that Thomas DAVIE, Silversmith, was a Burgess in Greenock and wonder whether James DAVIE was as well. Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell

Seek information on Samuel ORR. His family is said to be part of the Campbell Clan. He resided at one time in County Armagh. During Britain�s War with the United States in 1812 he was serving on a ship that landed in Baltimore, Maryland, USA. He jumped ship there. Any leads appreciated dick barr Syracuse, New York, USA

To John Jardine: I would certainly like to have an E-mail of your photo of the Greyfriars Church in Edinburgh, Scotland. My E-mail address is: MRich10000@AOL.com. Thank You Mel Rich

John wrote here........with tongue in cheek? > Now I am finding that there appears to also be > a time difference in the Gaelic calendars of the peoples of North Knapdale in > Argyll during the last half of the 1700's. Did you really see a Gaelic calendar? That was a spoken language only, no written records. It was the arrival of the English that allowed Gaelic to "appear" as written. And what a hash they made of it! Cheers............. -- ALISTAIR M. CAMERON

At 09:26 PM 10/07/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Yes, I certainly would like a photo via E-mail. Thank you. > >Mel Rich >E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com > I would like this as well,please. Ina S. e-mail: ken&inas@clarityconnect.com> >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Beware of the Genealogy Bug; >It's bite can be addictive! > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Hi Listers I am researching James DAVIE who was a Silversmith/Goldsmith in Greenock, Renfrew during the 1800's. So far, I have been unable to find out where he was born or where he died and I have searched most everywhere. Wondering whether there would be a list of Silversmiths/Goldsmiths somewhere that would give a clue as to when he became an Apprentice in this trade - or something along those lines! I was given some information that points to the possibility that James DAVIE was the son of Thomas DAVIE, also a Silversmith/Goldsmith in both Edinburgh and Greenock. Thomas DAVIE had a son, James around the right *age* and perhaps James followed in his Father's footsteps. Does anyone have any idea where I can find information on Silversmiths/Goldsmiths between, say, 1780 and 1850? Thanks Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell

I am trying to identify a John Wood "of Geilston" who lived there -- wherever it was --in 1609. The problem is that I cannot find a Geilston. I have located a Geilston House and Geilston Gardens. And I have located a Gelston. Can anyone provide any clues to where (or what) Geilston might have been circa 1609? Thanks for any help. Brett F. Woods Santa Fe, New Mexico

YES, please send me a photograph of the Church. In turn, I have photos taken inside the cemetery which I will be glad to share. Mr. Culley, a Robertson researcher, took them last winter. Allegedly, several of my ancient kinsmen are buried in the cemetery behind the church. One of them worked as the Reverend of the Church in his later years. Angus "Scotty" Robinson >I took a photo of the church while in Edinburgh in August. Would >you (or anyone else on the list) like a copy via email attachment, >along with photos of Greyfriars Bobby statue and his gravestone? > >John Jardine >Cincinnati, Ohio >