Pat asked about the locations of two towns. 48 Park St, Dalziel. I'll guess: the present School by Motherwell rail station, has Park Street and Dalziel St as its boundaries. That's circumstantial evidence. DALZELL rail junction, is close to the SE. Watson Vale, Uddingston: Nat Grid Ref NS6961, parish Bothwell. Another guess: Watsonville Park, is 300 yds south of the school aforesaid. Guesses, but if I had money I'd happily lay a bet!! Cheers....... ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC acameron@hinet.net.au **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ**

Pat asked here...... > Would SKS be able and willing to do a lookup for me in > either of the above 2 Kirkden Census reports, or even later ones if > someone has access to them? I hope someone can help you. That's quite a work load, as you've not said <where> they lived in Kirkden. With a pop. of about 1500, and handwritten records, it might be a long trawl. A better route, could be to use the Indexes to the Census. To my knowledge, the only holder for <both> of those is the Tay Valley FH Society. If you take up membership, I guess they might do the requested lookup, gratis. Cheers.................. -- ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC acameron@hinet.net.au **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ**

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:10:51 +0100, you wrote: Actually the comment about 54 Roselea was from me. My great grandfather was Alexander Lamont, if you can extract any details, I'd sure appreciate it. Guess I didn't read your message to Lois as carefully as I should have. Susan sgibb@minet.gov.mb.ca >Hi Lois (message is unsigned but I presume it's from you), > >There is no no. 53, but there is a no. 54. Why did you wish to know >about 53 in particular? Street numbers in Glasgow have the odd numbers >on one side of the street and the even numbers on the other side. Often >directly across the road the numbers are further ahead or behind. The >house I was brought up in in Glasgow was number 48. The house across >the street was number 33. > >There are 8 families living in number 54. Their names are >Inglis >Campbell >Graham >Sinclair >Grant >Robertson >Watt >Lamont > >If you wish me to extract the details of any of them for you, let me >know and I'll e-mail to you. I am going away early in the morning for >about ten days, so don't worry if I don't get back to you straight away. > >Best regards > >Karen MacRae > >In message <OCcDOBhpmfOQvLBchRwtrn4tf026@4ax.com>, Susan Gibb ><sgibb@minet.gov.mb.ca> writes >>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:47:13 +0100, you wrote: >> >>>Hi Lois, >>> >>>Looked up your address using Liz's excellent street index, which I don't >>>know how I managed without - it is excellent. >>> >>>Roselea Drive does not have a number 53. The reference is 644-3, >>>district 43 page 5, but the numbers jump from 49 to 55, as is common in >>>Glasgow when there is more than one house at each street number. Sorry >>>not to be of more help, but if you want me to look up another number, I >>>would be only too happy. >>> >> >>Perhaps it does not now have a 53 Roselea Drive, but once it must >>have. My great grandfather was a prolific writer and always dated and >>addressed his works. Many of them are addressed as 54, Roselea Drive >>Dennistoun, Glasgow. His writings are dated from about 1864 to 1900 >>but at the moment I can't date Roselea for you. >> >> >>==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >>Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ >> >>============================== >>Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >>http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >>The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >>

Hi Its my first time posting to the list and was wondering if anyone has the ability to look up an 1841 census for me. I am looking for a Robert Gavin b. 1799 and married Sarah Miller b. 1805 both I believe from Lanark Scotland. They had 7 children in Gervan, Argyleshire Scotland and emigrated after 1841 to Dalhousie Twp, Lanark Ontario where they are buried in White Cemetery in Poland, Lanark Ontario. After they emigrated to Ontario they had 4 more children. If anyone can look up the census information of my ancestors for me I would really appreciate it. Thank you, Elizabeth Plymouth, Massachusetts USA

Hello List: I am again requesting SKS to do a lookup for me, this time in the 1891 Census for the following: Jeanie SMITH b. 1885 and William WALLACE b. 1883. Jeanie and William were married July 29, 1905 at Blythswood, Glasgow and their marriage certificate shows their place of residence at the time as 48 Park Place, Dalziel for Jeanie, and 8 Watson Vale, Uddingston for William. Could someone please also tell me where these 2 towns are located? Thank you for any help you may be able to render. Pat, Mission, B.C.

Hello List: Would SKS be able and willing to do a lookup for me in either of the above 2 Kirkden Census reports, or even later ones if someone has access to them? I've exhausted all other avenues of search, including the GRO with no results. I'm looking for James Woodhead(Woodheed) ROSS, b. circ. 1800 at Kirkden and his wife Elizabeth ALLARDICE(Allardyce) b. circ. 1800 at Kirkden. They were married about 1830 as their son Robert was born May 5, 1833. I would greatly appreciate any info on these very elusive ancestors. Thank you in advance for any help you can give. Pat, Mission, B.C.

To List, In compiling the story of a nautical journey to Oz from U.K. can anyone advise of a good global map I could download please to chart course of ship. Replies appreciated and thanks. Fay Will (Leven, Fife) e-mail address: faywill@leven54.freeserve.co.uk

Don and Mary Saban wrote: > >could someone please tell me how i could get a copy of the census for the > >years 1841 & 1881 and even earlier, i am new to this. thanks > > > > You can order in on a rental basis microfilm for the years 1841, 51, 61, 71 > and 81 for all the parishes in Scotland. Go to your local Family History > Center and ask the librarian how to do it. The census before 1841 are of no > value to genealogists as they are only statistics, no names. > For those lucky enough to have Orkney ancestors, there are 1821 censuses there for some of the parishes. These contain, location and name of house, number of families in the house, full names, sex, ages (not rounded off) and occupations. Ron

>could someone please tell me how i could get a copy of the census for the >years 1841 & 1881 and even earlier, i am new to this. thanks > You can order in on a rental basis microfilm for the years 1841, 51, 61, 71 and 81 for all the parishes in Scotland. Go to your local Family History Center and ask the librarian how to do it. The census before 1841 are of no value to genealogists as they are only statistics, no names. Don and Mary in Wyoming

PEGGYJAI2@aol.com wrote: > > don > > I've been advised by a relative in Canada that it is almost impossible to get > record info on Catholics in Scotland during the 1800's; how true is this, to > the best of your knowledge > > Peggy > ..................................................................... Peggy - All I know is that the official PARISH records (OPR) at the General Record Office in Edinburgh are ONLY for the Church of Scotland parishes. There may be SOME extra info., but I don't know the details. This is before national registration was introduced in 1855 (?) - after that ALL citizens were registered at the GRO. I have heard that the Catholic Church kept their own records - presumably Baptism and Marriage, possibly burial (?). I'm afraid I have no idea how to access this information. I suppose it depends how much you know - if you know the (Catholic) Parish you could write to the Parish Church. ??? Ask on one of the Genealogy Mailing Lists like Scotland-Genweb-L at Rootsweb or Scots-Origins at egroups Hope this helps a little? -- Don McEwan West Lothian SCOTLAND Jings, Crivvens & Help Ma Boab.! <mailto:don.mcewan@virgin.net>

Hi, I cuurently have the following information on HUDSONs and SMARTs. Does anyone have anymore information to add? maybe Generation No. 2 2. MARGARET2 SMART (JOSEPH1) was born 12 May 1861 in Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland8. She married CHARLES HUDSON 31 December 1885 in 38 Leonard Street, St. Vigeans9, son of JOHN HUDSON and CECILIA DAWSON. He was born Abt. 1860. I have a Ellen Hudson (daughter of John Hudson) who married a John James Stobbs Ellen was 19 in 1878 (therfore born in 1859) at the time of her marriage John Hudson was a labourer) do you have any more information on John Hudson? Cathie in Ontario

Scottish transportees to American Colonies;1651-1656; prisoners of Battle of Worchester and Battle of Dunbar

could someone please tell me how i could get a copy of the census for the years 1841 & 1881 and even earlier, i am new to this. thanks

Hi Lois (message is unsigned but I presume it's from you), There is no no. 53, but there is a no. 54. Why did you wish to know about 53 in particular? Street numbers in Glasgow have the odd numbers on one side of the street and the even numbers on the other side. Often directly across the road the numbers are further ahead or behind. The house I was brought up in in Glasgow was number 48. The house across the street was number 33. There are 8 families living in number 54. Their names are Inglis Campbell Graham Sinclair Grant Robertson Watt Lamont If you wish me to extract the details of any of them for you, let me know and I'll e-mail to you. I am going away early in the morning for about ten days, so don't worry if I don't get back to you straight away. Best regards Karen MacRae In message <OCcDOBhpmfOQvLBchRwtrn4tf026@4ax.com>, Susan Gibb <sgibb@minet.gov.mb.ca> writes >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:47:13 +0100, you wrote: > >>Hi Lois, >> >>Looked up your address using Liz's excellent street index, which I don't >>know how I managed without - it is excellent. >> >>Roselea Drive does not have a number 53. The reference is 644-3, >>district 43 page 5, but the numbers jump from 49 to 55, as is common in >>Glasgow when there is more than one house at each street number. Sorry >>not to be of more help, but if you want me to look up another number, I >>would be only too happy. >> > >Perhaps it does not now have a 53 Roselea Drive, but once it must >have. My great grandfather was a prolific writer and always dated and >addressed his works. Many of them are addressed as 54, Roselea Drive >Dennistoun, Glasgow. His writings are dated from about 1864 to 1900 >but at the moment I can't date Roselea for you. > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Visit.. ScotlandGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctwgw/ > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > -- Karen MacRae

Toni, I didn't find Alexander Hudson. I found this Joseph Smart, but he wasn't born in Angus - correct year though. Dwelling: 132 Harmony Row Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203686 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 33 Page 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizabeth SMART W 43 F Ireland Rel: Head Joseph SMART U 19 M Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Rivetter Mary A. SMART U 15 F Ireland Rel: Daur John SMART 13 M Ireland Rel: Son Susan SMART 11 F Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Thomas SMART 9 M Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Margt. SMART 6 F Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar George MC COMB U 26 M Ireland Rel: Bord Occ: G Lab Wm.J. RUTH U 24 M Ireland Rel: Bord Occ: G Lab James TEACHER 19 M Scotland Rel: Bord Occ: G Lab ***************** I didn't find Cecilia Hudson - these are the 3 Cecilia's born +/- 5 years from 1856. . Dwelling: 13 High Riggs Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223990 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 12 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Donald FORBES M 52 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Engineer Fitter Ann FORBES M 48 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Duncan FORBES U 22 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Mason Cecilia FORBES 20 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Biscuit Backer John FORBES 16 M Edinburgh City, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Butcher Margaret FORBES 13 F Edinburgh City, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Messenger ********* Dwelling: 22 Cromwell St Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203663 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 63 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William G. PROUDFOOT M 32 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Newspaper Reporter Cecilia A. PROUDFOOT M 29 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Elizabeth R. PROUDFOOT 6 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James C. PROUDFOOT 4 M England Rel: Son ************* Dwelling: Bridge Street Census Place: Girvan, Ayr, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203598 GRO Ref Volume 594 EnumDist 3 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Geo. WEIR W 82 M Muirkirk, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Retd Shepherd Sarah WEIR U 45 F Barr, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker Isab. WEIR U 36 F Dailly, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker Cecilia SMART U 28 F Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Schoolteacher > Alexander (Smith) HUDSON: born 26/11/1849 in Arbroath, Angus > Joseph SMART: born 18/9/1862 in St. Vigeans, Angus > Cecilia HUDSON, born 13/3/1856 in Inverkeilor, Angus I hope this helps. Best wishes, Andrea Ferguson

Does someone have access to an 1871 census? Indexed? Looking for David Dunlop and Elizabeth Lucy Daly Dunlop. One child Jane - born 1870 in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Perhaps back in the UK with the 78th Seaforth Highlanders. Regards, Diane

Toni Marshall wrote: > Hi, > as I still haven't received my copy of the census, can someone please look > up the following people for me:- > Alexander (Smith) HUDSON: born 26/11/1849 in Arbroath, Angus I tried Alexander Hudson born in Angus - no luck I tried Alexander Hudson born in Forfar (county containing Arbroath) - no luck > Joseph SMART: born 18/9/1862 in St. Vigeans, Angus The following is present, but it says born in Dundee: Dwelling: 43 Arbroath Road Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203486 GRO Ref Volume 282-4 EnumDist 7 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander Sharp SMART M 29 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Boiler Maker Margaret SMART M 28 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife Elizabeth Sharp SMART 5 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Margaret SMART 3 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Alexander SMART 2 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Jane SMART 7 m F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Joseph SMART U 20 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland <==================== Rel: Brother Occ: Boiler Maker > Also, in case she ddn't get married:- > Cecilia HUDSON, born 13/3/1856 in Inverkeilor, Angus Sorry. Nothing there. Alan

Hi, as I still haven't received my copy of the census, can someone please look up the following people for me:- Alexander (Smith) HUDSON: born 26/11/1849 in Arbroath, Angus Joseph SMART: born 18/9/1862 in St. Vigeans, Angus Also, in case she ddn't get married:- Cecilia HUDSON, born 13/3/1856 in Inverkeilor, Angus Thanks very much Toni ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, I cuurently have the following information on HUDSONs and SMARTs. Does anyone have anymore information to add? Descendants of Joseph Smart Generation No. 1 1. JOSEPH1 SMART was born Abt. 1838 in Carmyllie, Forfar, Scotland1. He married MARY MUNRO. She was born Abt. 1841 in St. Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland1. Children of JOSEPH SMART and MARY MUNRO are: 2. i. MARGARET2 SMART, b. 12 May 1861, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland. ii. MARY SMART, b. 24 May 1859, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland3 iii. ANN SMART, b. 29 September 1867, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland5. iv. ROBERT MUNRO SMART, b. 05 August 1874, Arbroath, Angus, Scotland7. v. JOSEPH SMART, b. 18 September 1862, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland8. Generation No. 2 2. MARGARET2 SMART (JOSEPH1) was born 12 May 1861 in Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland8. She married CHARLES HUDSON 31 December 1885 in 38 Leonard Street, St. Vigeans9, son of JOHN HUDSON and CECILIA DAWSON. He was born Abt. 1860. More About MARGARET SMART: Occupation: 31 December 1885, Powerloom Weaver9 Residence: 31 December 1885, 38 Leonard Street, St. Vigeans9 More About CHARLES HUDSON: Occupation: 19 March 1915, Blacksmith10 Residence: 31 December 1885, 20 Leonard Street, St. Vigeans11 Children of MARGARET SMART and CHARLES HUDSON are: 3. i. LILIAN CECILIA MARY MUNRO3 HUDSON, b. 1889, Denniston, Glasgow; d. 1946, Govan, Glasgow. ii. JOSEPHINE HUDSON, b. 1886. Generation No. 3 3. LILIAN CECILIA MARY MUNRO3 HUDSON (MARGARET2 SMART, JOSEPH1) was born 1889 in Denniston, Glasgow, and died 1946 in Govan, Glasgow. She married ROBERT IRVING 19 March 1915 in Glasgow12, son of JOHN IRVING and REBECCA BEATTIE. He was born 21 November 1883 in St. Mungo, Scotland, and died 30 January 1938 in Glasgow, Scotland13. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:47:13 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Lois, > >Looked up your address using Liz's excellent street index, which I don't >know how I managed without - it is excellent. > >Roselea Drive does not have a number 53. The reference is 644-3, >district 43 page 5, but the numbers jump from 49 to 55, as is common in >Glasgow when there is more than one house at each street number. Sorry >not to be of more help, but if you want me to look up another number, I >would be only too happy. > Perhaps it does not now have a 53 Roselea Drive, but once it must have. My great grandfather was a prolific writer and always dated and addressed his works. Many of them are addressed as 54, Roselea Drive Dennistoun, Glasgow. His writings are dated from about 1864 to 1900 but at the moment I can't date Roselea for you.