Have not long been given a copy of a letter (1875) from Margaret Coghill (nee Williamson) in Leith to her sister Charlotte Hudson in New Zealand. In the letter she thanks Charlotte, brother (in law) Thomas and sister Janet. She goes on to talk about a ship wreck and mail being rescued and how the sea has spoilt Janet's likeness although she can see a resemblance to father and to Aunt Ann (looks like Davis or Dains - very hard to read). There is a Janet Williamson witness to the marriage of John Williamson and Laura Ann Fullerton in Leith in 1857. I do not know if the first Janet is a Williamson and really a sister, but must be some relation if there is a family resemblance... or indeed if they are one and the same Janet. G-G- Grandparents, born Lerwick, Shetland , William Williamson (c1785-1874, son of John), and Elizabeth Anderson (1791-1875, daughter of Alexander Anderson and Margaret Pottinger) married Lerwick 5 Nov 1818 had only the following children that I have been able to find: all born Lerwick. John (Coastguardsman) c 05 Jun 1823 Margaret b 29 Feb 1824 Jessie Catherine c 23 April 1829 Charlotte c 18 Dec 1831 There is a big gap in the dates so it would be possible for one or more children to have been born. Can anyone help me with Janet. Have never been able to find siblings for William or Elizabeth but maybe one of them had a sister Ann, can anyone help with her? Family moved to Leith, Edinburgh. 1. Where John married Laura Ann FULLERTON b Lerwick 03 Aug 1831, daughter of Samuel FULLERTON and Mary LAURENSON, in Leith on 02 June 1857. They had three children, William, Margaret and Alexandrina. Samuel FULLERTON and Mary LAURENSON (daughter of William) had four children Laura Ann, Arthur c. 06 Nov 1833, John c 1838, and Samuel c 25 Jul 1844 . In the 1851 census they are shown as living at Freefield Docks where Samuel is discribed as a Sailmaker. 2. Margaret married Robert Phynn COGHILL and emigrated to New Zealand with their three daughters and son-in-law Alexander ANDERSON b Perthshire 1848 but rumoured to be related to Elizabeth ANDERSON (above) 3. Jessie Catherine married Joseph HERBERT and emigrated to New Zealand with (4) sister Charlotte who married Captain Thomas Hudson in N.Z. Childen of John and Ann Williamson. Margaret WILLIAMSON emigrated to New Zealand and married Thomas FORDYCE (b Leith 07 Oct 1859) Alexandrina WILLIAMSON emigrated to New Zealand and married Joseph Nisbet HERBERT (b Rawene, New Zealand). Any information on these famillies would be appreciated. Many thanks Brenda McLeish (nee HERBERT)

Hi,I am researching the McAdam family the seem to have lived in the Kilmarnock area, I am back to a Frederick McAdam who married Janet Wyllie in 1836 in Kilmarnock birth dates in the 1818 era,as a child I was given to believe we were related to RobRoy (Adam )McGregor..Could anyone help?? Keith (,macca@i-o.net.au)

My question is different from this but the same area. i am looking for the buckanan's who live in the same area. could you tell how to find out about them. mabean e-mail adress. bob bobJ@thestate.infi.net ClanDowill@aol.com wrote: > First of all try the website < www.edinburgh.org >and the Scottish record > office Edinburgh, the name Kincaid I believe is associated with Loch Lomond > area, also with a village named Clachan of Campsie near Lennoxtown, > Stirlingshire where there is a family burial vault of the Kincaids in the > village graveyard, I was married in March 1997 in Denny, Stirlingshire and > the reception was held at the Kincaid House Hotel, Milton Of Campsie, a > former mansion house of the Kincaid family and the same family which has the > burial at Clachan of Campsie. > > There are numerous Tartan shops in Edinburgh, almost as many as "Edinburgh > folks who think they are better than Glaswegians, erroneously" Scottish > Joke!!! > > I can recommend Macphersons Highland Kilt shop in Edinburgh for all things > tartan and Scottish. > > Jim McPherson. www.clan-macpherson.org > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Documentation....The hardest > part of genealogy. > > ============================== > RootsWeb.com now offers UNLIMITED Web space for FREE! > Sign up today for RootsWeb's Freepages program: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

This is the beginning of the passenger list. It covered 12 pages and I still have 3 to copy so will send some tonight and the rest later next week "Manitoban" At Sea or in a Domestic or Foreign Port FHL film 0224066 Page 3 Marr. Age Sex Place of Birth Saml. MC LEAN W 44 M Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Farmer Jessie MC LEAN 23 F Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Dau Jane MC LEAN 18 F Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Dau George MC LEAN 16 M Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Son Saml. MC LEAN 15 M Dalserf, Lanark James STEWART M 43 M Airdrie, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Farmer Margt. STEWART M 40 F Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Wife Occ: Farmers Wife John STEWART 15 M Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Son Adam STEWART 13 M Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Son Margt. STEWART 4 F Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Dau James STEWART 1 M Dalserf, Lanark Rel. Son Page 4 Wm. BOYD U 25 M Kirkcudbright, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Jas. MURDOCH U 35 M Maybole, Ayr Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Jas. BROWN U 30 M Renfrew, Renfrew Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Saml. OAKES U 24 M Maybole, Ayr Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Jane COLQUHAUN U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Domestic Servant Thos. COLQUHAUN U 2 M Glasgow, Lanark Rel. Son Occ: Child John GORDON U 18 M Girvan, Ayr Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Janet MITCHELL U 19 F Paisley, Renfrew Rel. Head Occ: Domestic Servant John YUILLE U 31 M Balfron, Stirling Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Wm. TULLOCH U 35 M Perth, Perth Rel. Head Occ: Labourer D. ANDERSON U 29 M Turriff, Aberdeen Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Dond BANNATYNE U 24 M Campbelltown, Argyll Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary BANNATYNE M 64 F Campbelltown, Argyll Rel. Head Occ: Housewife James HAMILTON M 26 M Eaglesham, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mrs. HAMILTON M 25 F Rutherglen, Lanark Rel. Wife Occ: Wife George TAYLOR U 20 M Inverurie, Aberdeen Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Wm. ROBERTSON U 22 M Manymusk, Aberdeen Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Geoge JOHNSTON U 28 M Inverurie, Aberdeen Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John MC INTOSH U 22 M Arbroath, Forfar Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thos. THOMSON U M Paisley, Renfrew Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John MARTIN U 25 M Ayr, Argyll Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Wm. TALLIN U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Andrew MAC PHERSON M 34 M Leith, Edinburgh Rel. Head Occ: Mechanic Jessie MAC PHERSON M 29 F Haddington, Haddington Rel. Wife Occ: Wife Evan MAC PHERSON 8 M Haddington, Haddington Rel. Son Mary Ann MAC PHERSON 6 F Haddington, Haddington Rel. Dau Will send page 5 later. Betty Wintersteen, Ipswich, Massachusetts http://bawwyn@webtv.net - ------------------------------------ As guardians of our family history, it is up to us to pass it on to future generations. - ------------------------------------ Searching ORKNEY-Montrose; Margaret (Maggie) Potter; John Potter, Elsie Potter, Frances Potter, Mary Potter, Mabel Potter of Bents Row, Montrose, circa early 1900's. Family of Jessie Thompson nee Orkney, Massachusetts. Family of Isabella Lowe nee Orkney, Montreal, Canada - -------------------------------------- http://community.webtv.net/BAWWYN/OURFAMILYROOTS

Listing of 1881 census for the MANITOBAN "Manitoban" At Sea or in a Domestic or Foreign Port FHL film 0224066 Page 1 Marr. Age Sex Place of Birth Agnus MAC NICOL U 38 M Glasgow, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Master Alexander VIPOND M 35 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh Occ: Chief Mate George T. TRAQUAIR U 25 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh Occ: 2nd Mate George E. CROSS M 28 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: 3rd Mate J. ROBERTS M 30 M Falkirk, Sterling Occ: 4th Mate Robert MILLAR U 22 M Beith, Ayr Occ: Surgeon Thomas MC KENZIE U 26 M Bonaw, Argyll Occ: Purser Robert MC NALLY W 31 M Paisley, Renfrew Occ: Carpenter David CHRISTIE M 40 M Stirling, Stirling Occ: Boatswain John ANDERSON M 24 M Shetland Occ: Lamptrimmer Wm. WALLACE U 55 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen Occ: AB George MICKLE M 34 M Samos, Greece Occ: AB David COOK M 31 M Leith, Edinburgh Occ: AB D. URQUHART M 45 M Inverness, Inverness Occ: AB Wm. URQUHART U 23 M Inverness, Invernes Occ: AB James MASSIE M 32 M Fraserburgh, Aberdeen Occ: AB John GRAHAM U 24 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen Occ: AB Robt. MONTGOMERY U 29 M Stornoway, Ross & Cromarty Occ: AB Magnus LUNDGREN U 29 M Sweden Occ: AB Joseph LUMSDEN U 35 M Fraserburgh, Aberdeen Occ: AB Samuel SAMUELSON U 30 M Norway Occ: AB August TORKLESON U 30 M Norway Occ: AB Murdoch MC KINLAY M 29 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: AB Chas. PITMAN U 36 M Jersey, Channel Islands Occ: AB John CAMPBELL M 38 M Greenock, Renfrew Occ: AB Page 2 David MC DONALD M 28 M Branff, Branff Occ: AB James LANG M 37 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Chief Engineer John STEVEN M 32 M Largs, Ayr Occ: 2nd Engineer Alexr. THOMSON M 40 M Greenock, Renfrew Occ: 3rd Engineer Wm. AULD U 21 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: 4th Engineer John SHAW U 52 M Perth, Perth Occ: Fireman James HAMIEL U 25 M Ireland Occ: Fireman Thomas HERON U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Fireman Archd. FERGUSON U 45 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Fireman James PATERSON M 25 M Dumfries, Dumfries Occ: Fireman Thomas THOMSON M 22 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Fireman Hugh CREE M 25 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Fireman Robert MC CLURE U 23 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Fireman Robert THOMSON U 39 M Ireland Occ: Fireman Matthew THOMSON U 21 M Ireland Occ: Trimmer Samual MC NAB M 26 M Pollockshields, Renfrew Occ: Trimmer Mark ROONEY U 19 M Ireland Occ: Trimmer Wm. WRIGHT U 19 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Timmer Wm. CUSHMAN M 26 M Canada Occ: Trimmer Philip MC AULAY U 20 M Ireland Occ: Trimmer Wm. ANDERSON M 40 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Chief Steward Samuel MUNCE W M Ireland Occ: 2nd Steward Lawren MC GUGAN U 25 M Rothesay, Bute Occ: Ass't Steward David SOMERVILLE U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Ass't Steward James WYLIE U 21 M Ayr, Argyll Occ: Ass't Steward Page 3 James BLAIKE U 26 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Ass't Steward James CAW U 30 M Methven, Perth Occ: Ass't Steward J. G. BAWIE U 26 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Ass't Steward George GOIGH U 18 M England Occ: Ass't Steward J. MC PHERSON U 17 M Greenock, Renfrew Occ: Boy Archd. MC ALLISTER M 31 M Tarbert, Argyll Occ: Chief Cook David WHYTE M 27 M Linlithgow, Linlithgow Occ: Ships Cook Donald SUTHERLAND U 42 M Glasgow, Lanark Occ: Asst Cook Wm. CAMERON M 36 M Drymen, Dunbarton Occ: Baker Thomas REGAN M 29 M Ireland Occ: Bosn Mate Arch. MC CAFFER U 26 M Port Glasgow, Renfrew Occ: Fireman Wm. TULLOCH U 29 M Shetland Occ: Ass't Steward This concludes the ship's crew. Will start on the passenger list later.

Hi Listers I am still trying to track down information on my Silversmith ancestor, James DAVIE of Greenock. I was in touch with the Goldsmiths Co in London who sent me some information but advised the following: "I believe that the Glasgow Assay Office records are kept in Edinburgh but the exact location is not known to me. You might try the Central Library, George IV Bridge, Edinburgh, EH1 1EG, Scotland for further information." Does anybody know whether there are email addresses for the above organisations? As I am in Australia, it is a little difficult to check the Central Library in Edinburgh. Perhaps SKS could look up the telephone directory for me and see whether there is a street address listed for the Glasgow Assay Office and the Edinburgh Assay Office (or equivalent). Much appreciated Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell, Menzies

Hi Listers Could anybody tell me how often Pigots Directories were published and what information they give. Would they list a Street Address for businesses? I gather that the Directories are divided into Towns/Cities. I have received information that my GGGrandfather, James DAVIE, is listed in Pigots Directory of 1815 for Greenock, under "Goldsmiths and Jewellers" as a "Silversmith and Vinter" ----- does anybody know what a Vinter is? This information was from a book on Scottish Gold and Silverwork by Ian Finlay and not from the actual Pigots Directory. Thank You Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell, Menzies

The postcode site that is linked to Freebies for Genealogists returns all addresses with the same postcode. One postcode normally covers a street or part of a street and up to 50 houses can have the same postcode. Regarding the split numbers I can only guess as I have no detailed knowledge of the area. My guess is that these are fairly large properties that have been subdivided in to smaller units and that 3/1 etc refers to Number 3, Unit 1 Hope this helps. >Good evening, John: > > >Could you explain why, when I'm looking for 3 Laing Terrace, Hawick, >Roxburghshire, I get a list of addresses as follows: >2/1 Laing Terrace >3/1 Laing Terrace >1a Laing Terrace >1b Laing Terrace >1c Laing Terrace >1d Laing Terrace >1e Laing Terrace >2/2 Laing Terrace >2/3 Laing Terrace >3/2 Laing Terrace >3/3 Laing Terrace ?? > > >I was looking for the home of two sisters, Mary and Margaret Sanderson, who >lived at 3 Laing Terrace. Do the 2/1, 3/1, 2/2, 2/3, 3/2, and 3/3 indicate >apartments in buildings, or what do they signify? > John Oyston For FREE software and other resources, including on-line UK street maps, visit Freebies for Genealogists http://freebies.genealogy.org Get Paid to surf the web! Too good to be true? Visit http://www.alladvantage.com/home.asp?refid=DOF079

I am searching for Pleasant Thomas Cummins parents or him He was born Dec 20, 1810 in North Carolina, USA Died in 1891 in Kentucky, USA he was a farmer He married: Elizabeth Miles born 1813 in North Carolina, USA They had 9 children My data that was given to me may be incorrect. I cannot find trace of his life, nor his fathers in America. I heard he or his father was from Scotland. And to be honest, I have NO idea how to begin a search for him or his father in Scotland. Therefore, I am hoping the name may sound familiar to my fellow researchers or someone may know how I can get started with my search in Scotland. Thank you! AC Amcwku@aol.com

First of all try the website < www.edinburgh.org >and the Scottish record office Edinburgh, the name Kincaid I believe is associated with Loch Lomond area, also with a village named Clachan of Campsie near Lennoxtown, Stirlingshire where there is a family burial vault of the Kincaids in the village graveyard, I was married in March 1997 in Denny, Stirlingshire and the reception was held at the Kincaid House Hotel, Milton Of Campsie, a former mansion house of the Kincaid family and the same family which has the burial at Clachan of Campsie. There are numerous Tartan shops in Edinburgh, almost as many as "Edinburgh folks who think they are better than Glaswegians, erroneously" Scottish Joke!!! I can recommend Macphersons Highland Kilt shop in Edinburgh for all things tartan and Scottish. Jim McPherson. www.clan-macpherson.org

Ian, thank you so much for these photos; they are PRICELESS! And thank you for the info re Laing Terrace. Lang may your lum reek!!! Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Ian R Millar <ian@ettrick-graphics.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 4:54 AM Subject: Re Laing Terrace Hawick A, B, Etc >Hi Lucille > > >Re Laing Terrace in Hawick, they are all houses that are "up a close" or as >you say apartments in buildings, hence the "A", "B" or "1", "2", etc, I live >in Hawick and Laing Terrace is still there, next door is Hawick's "Station >Hotel" although the station is long gone!!! > >Hope this helps > >Regards > >Ian > >Check out the old Hawick photos and many other old Scottish Border photos at >my website address below. > >ian@ettrick-graphics.freeserve.co.uk > >http://www.ettrick-graphics.freeserve.co.uk (Old Scottish Borders Photo >Archive) > >http://www.blind-hope.freeserve.co.uk (Scottish Borders Blues Band) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lucille A Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> >To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 3:44 AM >Subject: Re: Personal Ancestral File Update > > >> Good evening, John: >> >> Could you explain why, when I'm looking for 3 Laing Terrace, Hawick, >> Roxburghshire, I get a list of addresses as follows: >> 2/1 Laing Terrace >> 3/1 Laing Terrace >> 1a Laing Terrace >> 1b Laing Terrace >> 1c Laing Terrace >> 1d Laing Terrace >> 1e Laing Terrace >> 2/2 Laing Terrace >> 2/3 Laing Terrace >> 3/2 Laing Terrace >> 3/3 Laing Terrace ?? >> >> I was looking for the home of two sisters, Mary and Margaret Sanderson, >who >> lived at 3 Laing Terrace. Do the 2/1, 3/1, 2/2, 2/3, 3/2, and 3/3 >indicate >> apartments in buildings, or what do they signify? >> >> Lucille Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> >> >> > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Documentation....The hardest >part of genealogy. > >============================== >FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! >Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account today: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Hi Everyone; I am looking for a generous person to do a look up in the 1861 census of Central District Glasgow. The names are: Irving FERGUSON abt. 50 yrs. born in Dornock, DFS. Superintendent Caladonian Railway. Ann FERGUSON abt. 40 yrs. born in Dornock, DFS. Adam Burgess FERGUSON abt. 12 yrs. unknown George Irving FERGUSON abt. 8yrs. " Janet Burgess FERGUSON abt. 4 yrs. Central District Glasgow On 1857 birth registration address of family looks like 7 Hillsmount St. or Killermount St. Glasgow. On 1869 death certificate address of family is 53 Holmhead St. Glasgow. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you Judy -- ******************************* -- ********************************************************************* Judy Zander, Ontario, Canada http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/z/a/n/Judith-L-Zander/index.html *********************************************************************

Hi Listers: A friend is going to Edinburgh, wants to know how best to use her tartan seeking, clan seeking, dead relative seeking time. Any suggestions, the Clan is Kincaid/Kincade/or its deriviatives. Thanks so much Gail

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Hi Lucille Re Laing Terrace in Hawick, they are all houses that are "up a close" or as you say apartments in buildings, hence the "A", "B" or "1", "2", etc, I live in Hawick and Laing Terrace is still there, next door is Hawick's "Station Hotel" although the station is long gone!!! Hope this helps Regards Ian Check out the old Hawick photos and many other old Scottish Border photos at my website address below. ian@ettrick-graphics.freeserve.co.uk http://www.ettrick-graphics.freeserve.co.uk (Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive) http://www.blind-hope.freeserve.co.uk (Scottish Borders Blues Band) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucille A Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 3:44 AM Subject: Re: Personal Ancestral File Update > Good evening, John: > > Could you explain why, when I'm looking for 3 Laing Terrace, Hawick, > Roxburghshire, I get a list of addresses as follows: > 2/1 Laing Terrace > 3/1 Laing Terrace > 1a Laing Terrace > 1b Laing Terrace > 1c Laing Terrace > 1d Laing Terrace > 1e Laing Terrace > 2/2 Laing Terrace > 2/3 Laing Terrace > 3/2 Laing Terrace > 3/3 Laing Terrace ?? > > I was looking for the home of two sisters, Mary and Margaret Sanderson, who > lived at 3 Laing Terrace. Do the 2/1, 3/1, 2/2, 2/3, 3/2, and 3/3 indicate > apartments in buildings, or what do they signify? > > Lucille Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> > >

Betty, My great-grandmother came over from Glasgow, 30 Sept 1887, to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on the S S MANITOBAN. The following data is the only info I have been able to find about the ship, and I have abridged it. The original text can be found on: http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipno.htm Someone named Ted Finch sent it and cites his source as NORTH ATLANTIC SEAWAY by N.R.P. BONSOR, vol 1, p 312. [It is listed as the OTTAWA 2, not the MANITOBAN.] The ship was initially known as the OTTAWA (2) and was built in 1865 for the British Colonial Steamship Co of London. Launched 13 May 1865, she sailed from London on her maiden voyage to to Quebec-Montreal. In 1866, she she made a single trip from Copenhagen to Gothenburg, Christiansand and New York. On 24 Mar, 1867, she made a voyage from Antwerp to New York under charter to the US/Belgian co, Hiller & Strauss, and made her 3rd and final trip for them on 24 June,1867.She was purchased in 1868 by the Allan line of Liverpool, and sailed from Glasgow to Quebec and Montreal. At this time she had only accomodation for 25 First class and steerage passengers. She was also rigged for 3 mast sail. She was rebuilt in 1872 and re-named MANITOBAN and basically traveled between Glasgow and Quebec-Montreal until 1879 when she began Glasgow-Boston runs and in 1884 made her first Glasgow-Philadelphia run. In 1898, she left Alten, Norway for New York with eskimos and reindeer destined for Alaska. On 12 Mar 1898, she made her final voyage between Glasgow and Boston. She was scrapped in 1899. Unfortunately, Mr Finch did not include any 1881 specific activities in his e-mail to this Ship's List. I might add, this particular list is the ONLY one on which I was able to find the MANITOBAN. I paid a professional researcher to find my ggm and was rewarded with her page from the ship's manifest, and the certification of the ship to the Immigration Authority in Philadelphia. On the page where my ggm is listed, the occupations were basically labourer or miner or family and all are from Scotland. The oldest was 50 and the youngest was 2 mos. The average age was 28-34. I know this did not address your question, but perhaps was of some interest, anyway. Lynn In Baltimor MD, USA marylindsay@worldnet.att.net -----Original Message----- From: Betty Wintersteen <BAWWYN@webtv.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:45 PM Subject: 1881 Census In playing around with the CDs again, this time the census listed as Navy, came across a list for the ship "MANITOBAN." there were young boys listed as passengers with the occupation listed as Orphan Home Boy. I have sent an inquiry to the ShipList to see if anyone knows where that ship was headed. The boys were mostly from Glasgow and ranged from age 6 to 18. I will post all of it later. In the meantime, does anyone have any ideas about why these boys were leaving? Or where they were headed? And why? Betty Wintersteen, Ipswich, Massachusetts http://bawwyn@webtv.net - ------------------------------------

It is disappointing to see there's been no "bun rush" of replies to Toni's messages, which described this family: > Generation No. 1 > > 1. JOSEPH1 SMART was born Abt. 1838 in Carmyllie, Forfar, Scotland1. He > married MARY MUNRO. She was born Abt. 1841 in St. Vigeans, Forfar, > Scotland1. > > Children of JOSEPH SMART and MARY MUNRO are: > 2. i. MARGARET2 SMART, b. 12 May 1861, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland. > ii. MARY SMART, b. 24 May 1859, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland3 > iii. ANN SMART, b. 29 September 1867, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland5. > iv. ROBERT MUNRO SMART, b. 05 August 1874, Arbroath, Angus, Scotland7. > v. JOSEPH SMART, b. 18 September 1862, Saint Vigeans, Angus, Scotland8. As there is no mention of the earlier ancestry, I assume that the four parents of Joseph and Mary are not yet known to Toni. Listers may be interested to note that these should be readily proved, because Joseph and Mary died after 1855 the date of compulsory regisration. The Deaths entries are packed with good data including the names of the parents of the deceased, giving mothers' maiden surnames. It's just possible, that the eight oldies in the previous generations might also be determined in the same way. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The place to find these Deaths entries is NEW REGISTER HOUSE, EDINBURGH. Either have someone sit at one of the 99 keyboards there, or ditto in Aberdeen, Glasgow, Dundee etc main towns. Or....... <buy service thru ORIGINS on- line.> You might prefer to do that work more cheaply, at a Family History Centre. I would not, as it is very heavy going, because: 1. Few FHCs hold the Civil Reg Deaths Indexes, you must order these in advance. 2. The LDS versions of those Indexes are limited to a narrow date range. 3. After you make a "hit" in the Index you next consult the Deaths Register. These are NOT held in FH Centres, but are available cheaply, ordered ahead of use. 4. The Registers do not cater for recent dates. The search process involves at least two sessions of working at a reader, plus two periods awaiting postal delivery of the ordered microforms. A half- year may intervene. Don't give up! Cheers...... ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC acameron@hinet.net.au **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ**

Dear Listers: For more info re: home children see http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/ships/ships1843.html Sue norval@intranet.ca

Dear Folks: Can't remember who asked this but Home boys were children who were either orphaned or abandoned by their parents (because they couldn't look after them..usually due to poverty.) who were placed in homes ( by this I mean institutions) in England and then sent to Canada to work generally on farms. This practice covered many years into the l920s. A lot of these children went to good homes and were raised as one of the family. Unfortunately, many were mistreated and abused. There is a web page with more information and I shall go on a search to find it and let you know. Susan norval@intranet.ca

Betty Wintersteen sent a Listing of 1881 census for the MANITOBAN to the list. I never seen any of mine on there but just wanted to say thank you for your kindness in doing this and it is that kind of generosity that makes this list work so well. Thanks Sandra Cowan Slade from Newfoundland