Subject: 1841 Census - Kilmartin Parish Does anyone know if there were 1841 census in the Kilmartin area? If so, can someone help me with: Archibald "MacLachlin" McPhail b. ABT 1762, d. after 1841 in Kilmartin. Dugald McPhail b. 1796 wife, Christina McCallum b. 1801 Dugald was born in Kilmartin and lived at Euroch in Kilmartin until the family emigrated to Ontario, Canada in June of 1847. Thanks... Bill McPhail bill@excaliburknights.com M'cPhail Genealogy Research 12148 So. C St. Parkland, Wa. 98444 Phone: 253-531-4112 Fax: 253-539-0921 McPhail Clan Web Site http://www.clanphail.org/mcphail/

Hi there, The Elders in the Church of Scotland are like the minister's deputies in a pastoral sense. They visit the sick/elderly in the parish and also may have management duties within the church. Elders also have a ceremonial role to play in the communion service. The session clerk is kind of like the chief elder. Also, I would assume that in referring to the established church, this is probable the Church of Scotland. I'm sorry if this is a bit vague, but nobody's ever given me an exact definition of the term. I hope this anwers your question. Lesley (Who really should know the answer as her grandfather was a minister and father was an elder and session clerk) Angela wrote: >I have some information on my gggg.grandfather William MCQUIBAN >(1779-1852). Who lived at Whitemoss in the Parish of Dallas, > Morayshire. >He is noted as an elder of the Established Church, what does this > mean ? >and what is the Established Church ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for information on the parents of: James REID born 1807 in New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland and married in August 1830 in New Monkland Ms. Jane SHANKS. Family was associated with the Braidworks Mining operation, from what I can gather, and this couple's son James REID, born 28 January 1833 in Plains, Lanark is my ancestor. Rod Fleck Forks, WA

Looking for information regarding the ancestors of William SWAN, married 23 November 1830 in Liberton, Edinburgh to Margaret PEACOCK (believed to be the daughter of Robert PEACOCK and Margaret RENWICK). Their daughter, Margaret SWAN born 29 December 1835 in Muirhouse, Lanarkshire, Scotland married James REID on 21 November 1856 in Carluke, Lanarkshire. Rod Fleck Forks, WA

"Manitoban" At Sea or in a Domestic or Foreign Port FHL film 0224066 Page 11 Marr. Age Sex Place of Birth Honora FLAHERTY U 14 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Bryan GREENE U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Abbey FOLEY U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michael CASTELLO U 19 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mick FLAHERTY U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary FOLEY U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ Spinster Luke FOLEY U 19 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Martin CONNOLLY U10 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thomas MC DONALD U 22 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michael NAUGHTON U 23 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Bridget CONNOLLY U 21 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary HACKET U 18 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Margt. FLAHERTY U 16 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Pat GREANEY U 17 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John CONNOLLY U 40 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thomas FLAHERTY U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thomas RAMKE U 19 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary RAMKE U 13 F Ireland Rel. Head Danl. CURRAN U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Honor WALSH M 40 F Ireland Rel. Head Honor WALSH U 12 F Ireland Rel. Dau Minnie WALSH U 9 F Ireland Rel. Dau Biddy WALSH U 6 F Ireland Rel. Dau John WALSH U 4 M Ireland Rel. Son Margt. WALSH U 2 F Ireland Rel. Dau Page 12 Pat CONNOLLY M 35 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Kate CONNOLLY M 34 F Ireland Rel. Wife Occ: Wife James CONNOLLY U 6 M Ireland Rel. Son Michael CONNOLLY U 3 M Ireland Rel. Son Mary CONNOLLY U 1 F Ireland Rel. Dau James LYNSKEY U 24 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michael MORROW U 24 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thomas GLYNN U 23 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Pat MULLIN U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Pat JOYCE U 23 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michl. DARRIN U 26 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thomas HICKEY U 22 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John SWEENY U 21 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Honor CONNOLLY M 21 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Housewife Mary LONG U 18 F Ireland Rel. Head Oc: Spinster Honor CONNOLLY U 1 F Ireland Rel. Head Pat PURDON U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Pat FLAHERTY U 21 M Ireland Rel. Head Matthew MC DONAUGH U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Helen HACKET U 19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Julia LYDIS U 11 F Ireland Rel. Head Honor MC DERMOTT U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary HIGGINS U 23 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster James F. MORAN U 24 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John DERMRY U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary DERMRY U 25 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Pat FOLAN U 26 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Page 13 Thos. MURPHY U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michl. FOLAN U 27 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Thomas COLLINS U 26 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Ridelia CONNOLY U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Martin FITZMAURICE U 24 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michael MADDEN U 22 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary MC HUGH U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary KELLY U 21 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Thomas WALSH U 28 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer (MISS) WALSH U 24 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Michael CONLON M 37 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Honor CONLON M 34 F Ireland Rel. Wife Occ: Wife Maria CONLON U 18 F Ireland Rel. Dau Bridget CONLON U 16 F Ireland Rel. Dau Ellen CONLON U 9 F Ireland Rel. Dau Michl. CONLON U 3 M Ireland Rel. Son Hugh CONLON U 1 M Ireland Rel. Son Ann CONLON U 5 F Ireland Rel. Dau (MISS) BILLRAUGH U 35 F England Rel. Head Occ: Lady (MISS) QUARRIER U 22 F Glasgow, Lanark Rel. Head Occ: Lady That's all the list. Good luck. Betty Wintersteen, Ipswich, Massachusetts http://bawwyn@webtv.net - ------------------------------------ As guardians of our family history, it is up to us to pass it on to future generations. - ------------------------------------ Searching ORKNEY-Montrose; Margaret (Maggie) Potter; John Potter, Elsie Potter, Frances Potter, Mary Potter, Mabel Potter of Bents Row, Montrose, circa early 1900's. Family of Jessie Thompson nee Orkney, Massachusetts. Family of Isabella Lowe nee Orkney, Montreal, Canada - -------------------------------------- http://community.webtv.net/BAWWYN/OURFAMILYROOTS

"Manitoban" At Sea or in a Domestic or Foreign Port FHL film 0224066 Page 9 Marr. Age Sex Place of Birth Michael HEANIN U 22 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Tom HEANIN U 24 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Edward GALLAGHER U 19 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Barbara SULLIVAN U 30 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary SULLVAN U 18 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary MARION U 15 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Martin MANNION U 32 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Michl. MC DONNELL U 21 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Margt. MC DONNELL U 21 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Honor DAREY M 28 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Housewife Frank DAREY 10 M Ireland Rel. Son Michl. DAREY 8 M Ireland Rel. Son Mary DAREY 6 F Ireland Rel. Daur Bridget DAREY 5 F Ireland Rel. Daur Margt. CARR U 20 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Michl. GERAGHTY U 50 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ Labourer John KENG U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary KING U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Dom. Serv. Catherine FLOOD U 20 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Dom. Serv. Mary KEANY U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Dom. Serv. Hugh GILLIGAN U 28 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Bridget CLOMAN U 25 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Page 10 Margt. MORRIS U 24 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary KENNEDY U 20 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Honor JOYCE U 19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Ann FLAHERTY U 19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary HOTAN U 19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary RODGERS U 21 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Kate GERAGHTY U 20 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Pat MC HUGH U 22 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Margt. TERRY U 20 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Dom. Serv. Danl. DOLAN U 19 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Bridget RYAN U 19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Helen LARNER U19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Pat NAUGHTON U 26 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Margt. WALSH U 19 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Mary CHUSAN U 2 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Bridget CHUSAN U 20 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Michl. CLARK U 20 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Biddy CLARK U 18 F Ireland Rel.Head Occ: Spinster Martin CONROY M 40 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Mary CONROY U 9 F Ireland Rel. Head John GIBBON U 18 M Ireland Rel. Head Cath. CONNOLLY U 22 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Martin CONNOLLY U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Joseph CONROY U 25 M Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Honora IRWIN U 24 F Ireland Rel. Head Occ: Spinster Betty Wintersteen, Ipswich, Massachusetts http://bawwyn@webtv.net - ------------------------------------ As guardians of our family history, it is up to us to pass it on to future generations. - ------------------------------------ Searching ORKNEY-Montrose; Margaret (Maggie) Potter; John Potter, Elsie Potter, Frances Potter, Mary Potter, Mabel Potter of Bents Row, Montrose, circa early 1900's. Family of Jessie Thompson nee Orkney, Massachusetts. Family of Isabella Lowe nee Orkney, Montreal, Canada - -------------------------------------- http://community.webtv.net/BAWWYN/OURFAMILYROOTS

-----Original Message----- From: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 10:04 Subject: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D Digest V99 #604

Hello, I am researching an ANNAT family who were in Dornoch in the early 1800's. David ANNAT married a Christina SUTHERLAND in 1815 and had approx 18 children. I cannot find any reference to this name. Does anyone have any knowledge on it. Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks,Sue Adelaide, South Australia Also researching Scotland: McKay's of Durness and Dornoch, Campbells of Durness and Sutherlands of Dornoch. England: Thomas, Jeffery, Wilkinsonand Berryman of Cornwall Pardey, Wall, Baylis of London

This is a good Scottish Family Research website to visit. Specially for anyone who is doing Scottish Family Research. http://www.homestead.com/scottishresearchgroup/sfrg.html Peter

Margaret said here...... > > Subject: First names Lieven and Plouden > I would like to know if anyone recognizes the above names as being > particular Scot. You might like to know, that in Family History Centres, there is a colourful set of Index fiche for SCOTLAND entitled GIVEN NAME INDEX TO BIRTHS, CHRISTENINGS GIVEN NAME INDEX TO MARRIAGES These are colour coded so you'll not accidentally pick up the Surname Index. The date range is for pre- 1855 only. Very helpful for searching weird names like Philadelphia Smith, or Hercules Black! Cheers............ ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC acameron@hinet.net.au **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ** Consultant at Mittagong Family History Centre, and trading as CAMERON RESEARCH, Reg. with N.S.W. Dept of Fair Trading. P.O. Box 215 BUNDANOON N.S.W. 2578 AUSTRALIA

I am interested in researching the family of Eckford from the village of Eckford in Ayrshire. My maternal gandmother was Maud Carrington ECKFORD. She married Douglas Hamilton MaCDONALD from Oban. Anyone with similar interests? Doug Huxley Newcastle Australia Seeking: APPLEYARD, ECKFORD, MACDONALD, MARSHALL, WIGGLESWORTH

Hi All Trying to find a birthdate for an ancestor before 1855 is hard work! Especially when you live 10,000 miles from Scotland, like I do ... we maybe *retired* this doesn't mean you are well off. I Thank ALL who gave me clues on how to try to trace my Silversmith ancestor ...... haven't heard anything but days are early, yet.......... Might go dig some soil and plant daisies ............ Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell, Menzies

> ------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: SURNAMES > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:36:17 -0600 > From: "Sandra" <diogenes@infowest.com> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello: > > I'm trying to locate a decent book on Scotch surnames, clans, and crests. Does anyone know a good title? Thank you. > > Sandra MacDonald Hello Sandra: The Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black was recommended to me which I have use and found to be an excellent source for Scottish surnames. It and many other books on Scotland can be found on the Birlinn Ltd. web site which is a publisher specializing in Scottish books. I have had no experience ordering from them, but perhaps someone else would know. Their web site is: http://www.birlinn.co.uk/ Aileen Power Ontario, Canada

We have all seen some strange entries on census. Ran across one today that I just had to share with all of you. Don had a g. grandfather on his mother's side who was named Robert and was a twin, the other boy named John. The boys were born in 1867. I have had the 1870 census ordered in for many months, finally got it in. Primarily got it to just have a xerox copy for our records. Found the family -- father, mother and three children older than the boys. Where the boys should have been listed, it was "JTR" age 2 M W born AL. Had to wait until we got the entry under the magnifying glass. It says, and I quote -- "J + R". The census taker in this census was great for writing initials down about half the time. In this case of twins, he put them both on the same line!! Had we not known that there were twin boys, and had the proof, we would be forever looking for a male JTR. Have seen some good ones, but this one so far takes first prize. Don and Mary in Wyoming

I have some information on my gggg.grandfather William MCQUIBAN (1779-1852). Who lived at Whitemoss in the Parish of Dallas, Morayshire. He is noted as an elder of the Established Church, what does this mean ? and what is the Established Church ? Any help would be most appreciated. Angela MacQuibban Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia.

Date sent: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:28:58 +1300 From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Sir Adam Cunningham of Wood hall > WOODHALL, There is or was a farm, in East Lothian near, ( I think ) > Ormiston. Perhaps a query to the East Lothian surname group may come up > with some info' > Mary > legarthm@levin.pl.net ** The Cunninghams owned the Woodhall mansion and estate in Colinton parish, near Edinburgh, up to 1701 when the estate was bought by Sir John Foulis. Gordon. Professional Historical/Genealogical Researcher specialising in pre-1700 records. Trading as KinHelp. <http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes2.htm>

Date sent: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:23:27 +0100 From: "Jane Macgillivray" <jane@providence2000.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Prisoners of the merchant ship "Crown" > How about writing to the National Archives of Scotland and putting the > question to them? Perhaps they would know whether there is a list that has > survived. > Their address is > > National Register of Archives (Scotland) > H M General Register House > Edinburgh EHI 3YY > > (I think NRA is same as NAS, they've changed their name) > Good luck! Jane *** The National Register of Archives (Scotland) is a register of the locations of archives held in local archives and private hands throughout Scotland. It's address is: West Register House, Charlotte Square, Edinburgh EH2 4DF. *** The National Archives of Scotland is the national central repository of nationally-owned archives (mainly govt. and other public records) plus deposited local and private records. It was formerly known as the Scottish Record Office. The NAS's address is H.M. General Register House, Princes Street, Edinburgh EH1 3YY NEITHER is the Registrar General's which has all the BDMs. As to the list of prisoners, the most likely source will be the Register of the Privy Council of Scotland, which has volumes running as far forward as 1691. Gordon. (just back from holiday, which is why this is late.) Professional Historical/Genealogical Researcher specialising in pre-1700 records. Trading as KinHelp. <http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes2.htm>

My great great grandparents, John FERGUSON (1783-1862) and Helen CLARK (1781-1858), emigrated from Scotland to Dunedin, New Zealand, in 1847-48. They were married at Dron, Perthshire, on 8 June 1807. Their 7 children were christened at Perth between 1808 and 1821. I have searched for John and Helen in the 1841 Census for Perthshire so far with no success. I have recently discovered that on 25 May 1842 they applied to the New Zealand Company for a free passage. Their address was given as 81 High St, Glasgow (between the 'High' and the 'St' is something that looks like 'Inr' and may be an abbreviated 'Inner'). However they did not leave for New Zealand until November 1847 This has raised the probability that I may have been looking in quite the wrong place in the 1841 Census. I have no record of where they were between 1821 and 1842. I would be delighted if someone with access to the 1841 census for Glasgow could check if a John and Helen FERGUSON were living at 81 High Street. I had intended to pursue this myself through our local Family History Centre but it is about to close for 6 months or so due to building operations. Don Gregg in Tasmania, Australia.

Hello, again, It has been a while since I posted my interests and am pleased to send my new names as found by my Aberdeen researcher, Eileen BAILEY. Previously I was looking for connections to ANDERSON/(Mc)GEORGE and had no success, but Eileen has found that which I needed and I'd like to share: Wiliam ANDERSON, wife unknown, had the following children: Margaret, 1737 James, 1741-1839 §William 1742-1829 John 1745, m Jean CROCKERT/CROCKETT, d 1833 George 1752 Wiliam ANDERSON, s/o William in Hatton, married Ann GEORGE d/o William GEORGE and Margaret SMITH , who were married 17 Nov 1731. William and Ann had the following: Margaret 1774 George 1775 m Margaret ANDERSON, d/o John ANDERSON and Jean CROCKERT, d 1864 in Old Babithan William 1778 m Isabella MAITLAND, d 1858 §Alexander 1780 m Sarah BROWN, d 1863 Ann had the following sibs: James, Christian, and Elizabeth. [Eileen did not include the dates. All are buried in plot #40 in the cemetery at Fintray, Hatton, according to the lay-out of the cemetery. Unfortunately, that which Eileen sent me starts with plot # 71 and goes to plot #248] John and Jean CROCKERT, d/o Robert CROCKETT and Margaret HENDERSON, had the following children: Margaret 1791 in Tarves, d 1824 Elspet 1794-1873 Jean 1798 m James MACKIE, d 1883, Lairhill Cottage Agnes 1803-1854 (Jean had a sister, Margaret, who died at the age of 104, 17 Apr 1866, at Hill of Keir) George and Margaret ANDERSON had the following children: Anne 1806 in Keithall & Kinkell, George 1807-1872 William 1809- Robert 1810 m Christina IRONSIDE, d/o Robert IRONSIDE and Jane PRATT/PROTT, d 1876 James 1813-1839 Alexander 1817, whom Eileen thinks married Margaret REID Jean ANDERSON and James MACKIE, s/o James MACKIE and Agnes SKENE, had the following: Jane 1826-1833 James 1829-1861 Elspet 1831-1861 Helen 1833-1834 Isabella/Isabel 1835-1917 Margaret 1837-1902 Alexander and Margaret REID had the following: An unnamed baby girl 1862 George Alexander 1864 Margaret Isabella 1866 [The names and other data are what lead Eileen to believe this Alexander is appropriate to this family] The last ANDERSON connection for whom I am looking is that of Isabel ANDERSON and JOHN FORBES, married in 1768. Eileen found reference to such connection, but nothing is proven, and 130 years intervene. She states that when Margaret MACKIE, (d/o Jean ANDERSON and James MACKIE) died in 1902, the informant was a William FORBES, nephew, of East Bog, Fintray. When Isabella MACKIE died in 1917, the informant was Maggie FORBES, niece, of Schoolhouse, Dummour, Dunkeld. At any rate, these are my ANDERSON connections as discovered and verified by Eileen. I hope some of you who have been asking about these new names will recognize a link. I'd love to hear from you. Lynn Prettyman Baltimore, Maryland, USA marylindsay@worldnet.att.net

Hi Jeannette I took a peek at the site you suggested and it is very good. Hope others will contribute because I like to collect books on Scottish geneology as well Joanne;-)