Hi Marjorie There are lots of maps for different periods located at the OntarioGenWeb site through their Locator Link at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/locator.html>. On this page go to the link for Canada West Districts in 1845. Basically, Canada West was the area in the period 1841 to 1867 of the southern part of what became the province of Ontario. The London District referred to what are now the counties of Middlesex and Elgin. The major centre is the city of London about 200 km west of Toronto. My Scottish ancestors settled in London District too in 1851. Hope this helps, Joanna Waugh Hamilton, Ontario Canada > > Subject: Canada west > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:03:52 -0700 > From: Marjorie Bundy <bundy@onthenet.com.au> > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > In the 1851 census, Peter Mitchell says that Isabel his daughter was born > and baptised in... unreadable, Canada West. (He was canny enough to have > her rebaptised in New Deer) I know that some families moved back and forth > across the Atlantic for work but would very much like to know what is meant > by "Canada West" particularly as we have now had access to a letter sent > from Lancashire to a family in "London district" Canada West, America in > 1853. These two families are not in any way connected by the way. We would > just like to know what was meant by the term Canada West America around > that time.. > > WE think it might mean an area just west of Toronto around the town of > London. Can anyone confirm this? > Marjorie Bundy

Hi All If anyone is looking for an email address for the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, the Reference Library addresses are on this page: http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/gcl/ref.htm I am still trying to locate a Web Page for the Greenock Telegraph and Clyde Shipping Gazette, and an email address as I understand they hold old newspapers (and Obituary Notices) - will send if I locate it. Regards Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell, Menzies

Hi. I too have a James Reid born c1800 and married an orphaned cousin Jennet (Janet) who we believe also had the last name Reid. According to family history James owned property in Edinburgh and was an engineer. His wife Jennet was raised by her grandmother in Glasgow and attended a lady's finishing school. She was enganged to marry a Presbyterian minister but married James instead at age 19. They left Scotland and settled near Simcoe, Norfolk County, Ontario, Canada. I have what I believe is their marriage entry in the OPR but unfortunately it doesn't give their parentage. So I am at somewhat of a dead end here and am hoping someone recognizes this scenerio.... Janis >Hello, Bette: > >I'm not sure whether we connect or not, but thought I'd give it a try. I know very little about my Reid ancestors. > > 1.. James Reid, a farmer, m at Edinburgh 10 March, 1818 Margaret Haldane. They had children: William b 6 October, 1820, George White baptised 10 July,m 1825, Walter b 3 Jan. 1829 and > 2.. John Reid b Askirk 7 July, 1823, he was a brewery carter or drayman; m 9 March, 1855 at Wilton Jane Riddell who was b 28 Dec. 1831 in Hawick, a dau of Walter and Mary (Turnbull) Riddell. They had children: Margaret b Hawick 1855 who married a Mr. Sanderson, James b Hawick 1859, possibly "Lizzie", and > 3.. Mary b 6 Feb. 1861 at Hawick; m 3 Aug. 1888 at Wilton Thomas Caldwell Finlay who was b Galashiels 8 July, 1860 a son of James and Eliza Jane (Caldwell) Finlay. Thomas Caldwell Finlay was at first a woolen weaver, then became a pattern designer. They emigrated to Canada in 1909 from Glasgow on the "Cassandra" and landed in Quebec with their children Jane (my mother) who was b Hawick 2 September, 1889, Elizabeth b Hawick 21 Aug. 1892, Mary (or Mae) b Galway Ireland 21 April, 1896, Margaret (Madge or Maggie) who was b in Tipperary in November, 1900 and James Charles who was b Hawick 5 August, 1891 (he served in WW I as a Private with the Canadian Expeditionary forces in Europe) and the family crossed into the U.S. in 1910. By 1920 they were located in Hopkinton, R. I. >That's all the information on the Reids that I have. If you should find a connection, I would be glad to hear of it. > >Lucille (Adams) Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> > >

Aileen wrote here......... > On the 1881 Census Catherine Dawson is listed as having > been born in Bridge of Allan, Perthshire in 1828. > However, searching the GENUKI pages for Scotland the > only mention I have found of this place is on the > Stirlinghsire It is in parish of Logie, STI. AT least, for Census and genealogical purposes. The parish # is 374 and the maps place that in PER. We gotta get used to parishes being in two Counties. The boundaries do not always discriminate. You'll find such aberrations near the BAN/ABD and ROC/INV counties boundaries. There's even a parish for NAI embedded inside INV... or is it ROC? Cheers........... ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, A.A.G.R.A. also known as ALEC acameron@hinet.net.au **My Ancestral File No. is TO4M-WJ**

Like to invite the List members to our new Scottish Family Research website. http://www.homestead.com/scottishresearchgroup/sfrg.html Peter

Hello, Bette: I'm not sure whether we connect or not, but thought I'd give it a try. I know very little about my Reid ancestors. 1.. James Reid, a farmer, m at Edinburgh 10 March, 1818 Margaret Haldane. They had children: William b 6 October, 1820, George White baptised 10 July,m 1825, Walter b 3 Jan. 1829 and 2.. John Reid b Askirk 7 July, 1823, he was a brewery carter or drayman; m 9 March, 1855 at Wilton Jane Riddell who was b 28 Dec. 1831 in Hawick, a dau of Walter and Mary (Turnbull) Riddell. They had children: Margaret b Hawick 1855 who married a Mr. Sanderson, James b Hawick 1859, possibly "Lizzie", and 3.. Mary b 6 Feb. 1861 at Hawick; m 3 Aug. 1888 at Wilton Thomas Caldwell Finlay who was b Galashiels 8 July, 1860 a son of James and Eliza Jane (Caldwell) Finlay. Thomas Caldwell Finlay was at first a woolen weaver, then became a pattern designer. They emigrated to Canada in 1909 from Glasgow on the "Cassandra" and landed in Quebec with their children Jane (my mother) who was b Hawick 2 September, 1889, Elizabeth b Hawick 21 Aug. 1892, Mary (or Mae) b Galway Ireland 21 April, 1896, Margaret (Madge or Maggie) who was b in Tipperary in November, 1900 and James Charles who was b Hawick 5 August, 1891 (he served in WW I as a Private with the Canadian Expeditionary forces in Europe) and the family crossed into the U.S. in 1910. By 1920 they were located in Hopkinton, R. I. That's all the information on the Reids that I have. If you should find a connection, I would be glad to hear of it. Lucille (Adams) Richmond <cwrichmond@snet.net> -----Original Message----- From: bcart <bcart@bcart.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 3:12 PM Subject: Re: SWAN/PEACOCK/REID >Hello, >This may be just a shot in the dark but I have ancestors, WILLIAM SWAN who >married a GIBSON lady and also associated with the GIBSON family are the >REID's. > >If you think there might be a link I would be delighted to share >information. > >Bette - Wales > >http://www.bcart.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Think BEFORE you post ! > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

On October 20 sues@hello.net.au wrote: >I am researching an ANNAT family who were in Dornoch in the early 1800's. David ANNAT married a Christina SUTHERLAND in 1815 >and had approx 18 children. I cannot find any reference to this name. Does anyone have any knowledge on it. In Black's "Surnames of Scotland", there is: "ANNAT - This surname, found in Dornoch, may be derived from the davoch named Annat in the parish of Kiltarlity, Inverness-shire." [A davoch is a measure of land] Annat is also found as a placename in other parts of Scotland, and I have known Annat to be used as a Christian name. Donald Maclean.

Aileen, The only Bridge of Allan I known of is the one you found, near Stirling. However, it must be very close to the border with Perthshire as Dunblane, a couple of miles up the road is in Perthshire. I am sure this is the one you are looking for. Either borders have changed or the census enumerator, or whoever told him, is wrong. Lesley (who used to work in Stirling) A Scot exiled (for the moment) in England From: Aileen Power <apower@nrtco.net> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Where is Bridge of Allan Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:51:34 -0400 Hello everyone: On the 1881 Census Catherine Dawson is listed as having been born in Bridge of Allan, Perthshire in 1828. However, searching the GENUKI pages for Scotland the only mention I have found of this place is on the Stirlinghsire pages and it is described as a police burgh quoted from Bartholemew's Gazatteer of the British Isles, 1887. I'd like to order some films to find out more information on my great great grandmother, but I need a parish number. Can anyone help? Aileen Power Ontario, Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello, This may be just a shot in the dark but I have ancestors, WILLIAM SWAN who married a GIBSON lady and also associated with the GIBSON family are the REID's. If you think there might be a link I would be delighted to share information. Bette - Wales http://www.bcart.freeserve.co.uk/

Bridge Of allen is only a few miles from Stirling, about 3 miles. Jim McPherson

Hi Nancy, Thanks for your response. I'll look forward to hearing from you if you find anything on my Thomas STRACHAN. I am presently reading a film of births & marriages 1681-1854. Will let you know if I find anything regarding your Isobel. Take care, Janet

Bridge of Allan is north of Stirling and south of Dunblane. Check the map at: <A HREF="http://uk.multimap.com/map/places.cgi">Multimap.com</A> or http://uk.multimap.com/map/places.cgi Mary Searles in Kentucky Hello everyone: On the 1881 Census Catherine Dawson is listed as having been born in Bridge of Allan, Perthshire in 1828. However, searching the GENUKI pages for Scotland the only mention I have found of this place is on the Stirlinghsire pages and it is described as a police burgh quoted from Bartholemew's Gazatteer of the British Isles, 1887. I'd like to order some films to find out more information on my great great grandmother, but I need a parish number. Can anyone help? Aileen Power Ontario, Canada >>

In the Presbyterian Church USA I teach in Sunday School that the Elders take care of things pertaining to the 'LAWS' of the church... ie bills, legal items, records, communion and worship, hiring, calling church body meetings, etc. The Deacons take care of the 'LOVE' of the church... ie. visitng sick, food, gifts, cards, etc. Some churches have Trustees who take care of Property whereas others have put that under the duty of the Elders. The Clerk of Session is the 'Secretary of their meetings' taking the legal minutes, does correspondence, and represents the church when the pastor is not available but under the specific directions of the pastor to do so. From relatives in Scotland I find that the Elders have less duties as they have a Church Board as well as Elders. The Elders there do less business and more serving communion, etc. One is elected and ordained as an elder for life. One of the astronauts who was an elder quietly served communion on the moon many years ago. Subject: Re: Elder in the church Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:35:28 BST From: "L. Bousbaine" <wayland@hotmail.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Hi there, The Elders in the Church of Scotland are like the minister's deputies in a pastoral sense. They visit the sick/elderly in the parish and also may have management duties within the church. Elders also have a ceremonial role to play in the communion service. The session clerk is kind of like the chief elder. Also, I would assume that in referring to the established church, this is probable the Church of Scotland. I'm sorry if this is a bit vague, but nobody's ever given me an exact definition of the term. I hope this anwers your question. Lesley (Who really should know the answer as her grandfather was a minister and father was an elder and session clerk) Angela wrote: >I have some information on my gggg.grandfather William MCQUIBAN >(1779-1852). Who lived at Whitemoss in the Parish of Dallas, > Morayshire. >He is noted as an elder of the Established Church, what does this > mean ? >and what is the Established Church ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________

Hi Janet, You are further back than I have researched on my STRACHAN. Mine is Isabella STRACHAN married Charles DEAS 5th October 1811 at Nth Leith, Midlothian. Scotland. I haven't been able to find anything earlier on Isabella yet. Just now I tried a few times on the I.G.I. site, but kept getting disconnected. I do better early in the morning on the I.G.I. Just have to make myself et out of bed earlier. I'll let you know if I find anything significant. Regards from Nancy in Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Wstjs@aol.com <Wstjs@aol.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Please write again-lost everthing >Hello Nancy, > >I am interested in your STRACHAN of Leith. I have STRACHANS in >Dumbartonshire and am only back to 1800 when they seem to disapear from >Dumbartonshire and I now need to search elsewhere in Scotland to find the >next connection. Thomas STRACHAN b. abt 1797 in Dalnotter, Old Kilpatrick is >the last I can find and am wondering if perhaps you could help me. Is there >any possible connection here with your STRACHAN of Leith. Leith as I know it >is a sea port town in the county of Edinburgh, is this where your STRACHANS >are from. Would appreciate any help you could give me. > >Regards, >Janet in USA > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Genealogy Help List >http://posom.com/hl/ > >============================== >RootsWeb.com now offers UNLIMITED Web space for FREE! >Sign up today for RootsWeb's Freepages program: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Hello everyone: On the 1881 Census Catherine Dawson is listed as having been born in Bridge of Allan, Perthshire in 1828. However, searching the GENUKI pages for Scotland the only mention I have found of this place is on the Stirlinghsire pages and it is described as a police burgh quoted from Bartholemew's Gazatteer of the British Isles, 1887. I'd like to order some films to find out more information on my great great grandmother, but I need a parish number. Can anyone help? Aileen Power Ontario, Canada

Hi Can anyone inform me of the movements of McLean families to the Dull, Monzie, Fowlis Wester in the 17/1800's I am seeking a Peter McLean the son of Alexander McLean born circa 1810. regards Doug McLean Warragul Vic. 3820 Australia Researching: Alexander McLean Crieff > Australia, Alexander McLean Midlothian/Fife> Australia plus ancestors of same.

Hello Nancy, I am interested in your STRACHAN of Leith. I have STRACHANS in Dumbartonshire and am only back to 1800 when they seem to disapear from Dumbartonshire and I now need to search elsewhere in Scotland to find the next connection. Thomas STRACHAN b. abt 1797 in Dalnotter, Old Kilpatrick is the last I can find and am wondering if perhaps you could help me. Is there any possible connection here with your STRACHAN of Leith. Leith as I know it is a sea port town in the county of Edinburgh, is this where your STRACHANS are from. Would appreciate any help you could give me. Regards, Janet in USA

Dear Aileen and Sandra, I have found that Black's "Surnames of Scotland" is the best reference on surnames and their origins, well documented back to the first known instance of the name. It is published by The New York Public Library, ISBN#0-87104-172-3. I ordered my copy from Barnes & Nobles for about $45, and consider it well worthwhile.

I want to thank everyone for the surname book suggestions. I have checked out Barnes & Noble and amazon.com and could not find some of the books mentioned. I also checked out the discount Scottish web-site. I am going to be ordering 2 of the books mentioned. Again ... thanks everyone. Sandra MacDonald

Can anyone tell me is there somewhere I can get a list of ship names (and hopefully their destinations) that left Greenock between 1851 and 1861. Thank you, Linda