Hello everyone, Just reposting my names - Angus MACKAY b c1795 m Jane CLARK 1815 at Aberdeen 3 Children - Angus jnr, Elizabeth, Margaret Jane died and Angus snr remarried to Christina (also MACKAY) Children - Donald, Mary, Hugh, James, Jane, Robert & Duncan Forbes. All came to Aust. 1839 (including children of 1st marriage). Would like to find Angus snr parents and or siblings. Associated names in Aust. BRADLEY, CHAMBERS, GADDES, GRACE, STEPHENSON, McMILLAN Christina's parents were Alexander & Jessie MACKAY of Aberdeen. Would like to find her siblings. Love to hear from anyone connected. Regards from Nancy in Australia.

Dear Friends, If I may , could I add to my last posting with a little information that has just come to light. Have just learned that Isabella BARNES was married to WILLIAM RUSSELL a Coal Miner on 28.4.1878 at BERWICK on TWEED. They lived at Beatties Row Tranent and JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL was born on 28.5.1885. It appears that her second given name must be from her grandmother from either side of the family. Many thanks for the wondereful leads/help I have already had from kind people. Sincerely in Searching Thelma (Bostock) Birrell in Queensland. > #3 JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL [mrbirrell@ozemail.com.au] > #5 Re: JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL ["Macri, Carolyn & Joe" <macri@one.] >Seeking links to DRYSDALE and RUSSELL >It looks like a DRYSDALE/RUSSELL marriage from >mid to late 1800's. >I am new to this list but not to lists as such. >I am Thelma birrell and live at Maroochydore in Queensland. >Somefamily members have found new information and are seeking >a RELLIE from TRANENT, HADDINGTON in >Midlothian, outside of Edinburgh. >JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL came to Australia around the >turn of the century. >Jane was born c1885 and married Claude BIRRELL in Brisbane in 1910. BIRRELL Family.. <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mrbirrell/ > <http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell2.html > Matt and Thelma at Maroochydore, Queensland, . CHERISH YESTERDAY - DREAM TOMORROW - LIVE TODAY

John: What dates are we talking here, are you sure of the spelling? Let me know? Cheers Jani

HELLO, IS THE SURNAME "EISON" A SCOTTISH NAME?? THANKS JOHN LESTER

Hi I have just recently come to this site and wondered if some one could help me. I am trying trace my great grandmothers family of the Chapman's. I understand they may have have come from the Perth - Scotland area. Sorry this is new trite for merry My g/grandmothers name is Emily Maud Chapman b. c. 1862. she married a William Henry Ferens in 1897 in Durham, Eng. They moved to Essex and Emily died in 1949. But before I get and b, m, d certificates I need some extra info on Emily. The main reason for this email is that after some trying to find some connections in Durham of the above mentioned family. I received some information of the Chapmans. The Chapman line of my great g/mother is are decedents of the Earls of Perth and in those days the Black Douglas and the Dow ells were one clan. Well as to my dilemma, I was wondering if any one may have my g/grandmother and her clan in their family tree and would like to shed some light my way. Many thanks from New Zealand Felicity

I am seeking information on the siblings of William ECKFORD, born 1757 in Kilwinning near Irvine, North Ayrshire. His parents were John ECKFORD and Janet BLACK. His siblings were Henry (famous shipbuilder in USA), John (doctor in USA navy?), James (farmer in Ayrshire), Peter (businessman in stocking trade in Paisley). William was the first Eckford in Australia and came as Firing Captain on the "Earl Cornwallis" in 1804. He left the ship in Sydney and took up farming. His adventures after that are quite interesting and a copy can be provided to anyone interested. Doug Huxley Newcastle Australia Seeking: APPLEYARD, ECKFORD, MACDONALD, MARSHALL, WIGGLESWORTH

Hi everyone I believe that people cutting blubber from whales were call flensers not fleshers. Annette from Dubbo who actually watched the process in Albany WA before the closure of the Whaling Station and has photos of it.

Purchase the death certificate of those mentioned in Queensland, or buy the Scottish birth certificate, as both names of mother and father are on it, as well as the mothers maiden name, and the date of the marriage of the parents. You could then get the 1891 census and see the whole family. Carolyn ---------- > From: mrbirrell@ozemail.com.au > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL > Date: Friday, 29 October 1999 13:10 > > Seeking links to DRYSDALE and RUSSELL > It looks like a DRYSDALE/RUSSELL marriage from > mid to late 1800's. > I am new to this list but not to lists as such. > I am Thelma birrell and live at Maroochydore in Queensland. > Somefamily members have found new information and are seeking > a RELLIE from TRANENT, HADDINGTON in > Midlothian, outside of Edinburgh. > JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL came to Australia around the > turn of the century. > Jane was born c1885 and married Claude BIRRELL in Brisbane in 1910. > > ANY CLUES TO FOLLOW THIS TRAIL WOULD BE APPRECIATED. > Thelma (Bostock) Birrell at Maroochydore in Queensland. > > > > BIRRELL Family...(long) > <http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell2.html > > Matt and Thelma at Maroochydore, Queensland, Australia. > CHERISH YESTERDAY - DREAM TOMORROW - LIVE TODAY > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Hundreds of Scot Urls....... > http://celt.net/og/angscot3.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot2.htm > http://celt.net/og/angscot.htm > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Seeking links to DRYSDALE and RUSSELL It looks like a DRYSDALE/RUSSELL marriage from mid to late 1800's. I am new to this list but not to lists as such. I am Thelma birrell and live at Maroochydore in Queensland. Somefamily members have found new information and are seeking a RELLIE from TRANENT, HADDINGTON in Midlothian, outside of Edinburgh. JANE DRYSDALE RUSSELL came to Australia around the turn of the century. Jane was born c1885 and married Claude BIRRELL in Brisbane in 1910. ANY CLUES TO FOLLOW THIS TRAIL WOULD BE APPRECIATED. Thelma (Bostock) Birrell at Maroochydore in Queensland. BIRRELL Family...(long) <http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell2.html > Matt and Thelma at Maroochydore, Queensland, Australia. CHERISH YESTERDAY - DREAM TOMORROW - LIVE TODAY

Yes, flesher is correct. It comes through in German as well as English and is a man who is engaged in the next step after slaughtering. Specifically de-fleshing or skinning and cutting up a beast Marjorie

A maltman or maltster is employed in the brewing of beer. specifically, toasts and turns the malt in the malthouse, a large heating building. Best I can describe it. Marjorie

John Andrews wrote: > > Regarding FLESHER, > > This thread was thoroughly gone into a few weeks ago on the Ayrshire list. > I've included below a copy of a letter I posted there at that time. > > It has been established that the difference between a flesher and a butcher > is that a flesher kills his own meat and retails it, while a butcher buys in > meat for retail. > > Fleshing is also the act of skinning an animal in a slaughterhouse but > slaughterhouse employees are multi skilled these days and no one person does > only skinning or has the title of flesher. > > Before we start getting letters about Fleshers being buffalo skinners or > someone cutting blubber from whales, please remember there is not much > buffalo or whale hunting in Scotland! > > Have a nice one :^) > > Cheers, > > John. > > > SNIPPED > ................................................................... Point of Order! There may not be much whale hunting 'IN' Scotland now, but Dundee was a famous centre of Whale hunting in the past - carried out in the Atlantic, presumably. So a Scotsman could have been connected with whales . No argument with the reast of this thread. -- Don McEwan West Lothian SCOTLAND Jings, Crivvens & Help Ma Boab.! <mailto:don.mcewan@virgin.net>

I just posted to the Border-L List, can you let me know if you see it come through? Thanks Janelle Canberra, Australia aurora@dynamite.com.au Researching: Davie, Halliday, Taylor, Barr, Campbell, Menzies

1871 Census, Perth, Perthshire FHC#0104078 NAME AND DESCRIPTION PERTH BARRACKS Page 9 of 9 (1) Name and surname (2) 1)Relation to Head of family or 2)position in the institution (3) Condition (4) Age (5) Rank, Profession or occupation (6) Where born (7) 1) Deaf & Dumb 2) Blind 3) Imbecile or Idiot 4) Lunatic 1. Wm. Fowler,U.,20 soldier b. Edinburgh 2. Henry Roberts,U.19 soldier b. Aberdeen 3. Henry Hains,U.,21 soldier b. Kirk Maiden 4. Mathew Cunningham,U.23 soldier b. Dunbar 5. John Ormiston,U. 21 soldier b. Roxborough 6. Robert Murray,U. 19 soldier b. Aberdeen 7. Charles Walker,U. 22 soldier b. Glasgow 8. Charles Bainsfather,U.22 soldier b. Bibaton(?)Eng. 9. Samuel Miller,U.,20 soldier b. Antrim,Ireland 10. Michael Hagan,U.20 soldier b. Yorkshire 11. John Kirk,U. 19 soldier b. Edinburgh 12. Henry Bradford,U. 30 soldier b. London,England THE END

1871 Census, Perth, Perthshire FHC#0104078 NAME AND DESCRIPTION PERTH BARRACKS Page 8 of 9 (1) Name and surname (2) 1)Relation to Head of family or 2)position in the institution (3) Condition (4) Age (5) Rank, Profession or occupation (6) Where born (7) 1) Deaf & Dumb 2) Blind 3) Imbecile or Idiot 4) Lunatic 1. John Miller,U.27, soldier, b. Stafford,Eng 2. James Moore, U.32 soldier b. Dublin, Ireland 3. George Mussit(?)U.25 soldier b. Suffolk,England 4. John Oliver,U.,19 soldier b. Co.Down,Ireland 5. Wm. Ranson, U.,23 soldier b. Liverpool 6. Francis Ridley,U. 25 soldier b. Dublin, Ireland 7. Thos. Sidden,U. 29 soldier b. Lancashire, Eng. 8. Benjm Sexton,H,widower,26 soldier b. Berks, England 9. Ann Jane Sexton,d.6 mos b. Piershill,Edinburg 10. John Smith, U. 32 soldier b. Birmingham,England 11. Fredk.Sutcliffe,U. 19 soldier b. York, England 12. Samuel Taylor, U. 25 soldier b. Lisburne,Ireland 13. Edward Walters,U.28 soldier b. Denbigh,Wales 14. George Willis,U,22 soldier b. Cornwall 15. James Bloomfield,U. 32 soldier b. Suffolk,England 16. John Carswell, U. 19 soldier b. Tyronne, Ireland 17. Ralph Henderson,U. 33 soldier b. Edinburgh 18. Charles James, U. 20 soldier b. Porthampton,England 19. Andrew Kimpton, U. 23 soldier b. Hertford, England 20. Richard Smith, U.,25 soldier b. Dublin,Ireland 21. Charles Marshall,U.20 soldier b. Glasgow 22. John Melrose,U. 21 soldier b. W.Linton,Pebbleshire 23. John McGowan,U.,20 soldier b. Co.Armagh,Ireland 24. Wm. Ross,U. 22 soldier b. Glasgow 25. Wm.Bathgate,U.20 soldier b. Dalkeith,Mid-Lothian

Thanks Carolyn --- the Digest acknowledgement has some blurb about how to get onto the ordinary List --- unsubscribe from the Digest THEN subscribe to the other one ---- strange, but might try that! Janelle -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Carolyn McInnes <mcinnes@net2000.com.au> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 29 October 1999 08:26 Subject: Re: BORDER List Queries Hello Janelle, I have just had my "test"sent back saying it had "permanent fatal errors". Come to think of it I think it must have closed down. I will double check my archives & see what I can find. Sorry about that but being on so many lists you sometimes forget which ones you are on & don't take note of who you haven't received mail from. I was under the impression that someone had taken it over as the list owner needed to relinquish. Oh well maybe the former list owner can shed some light here. Carolyn McInnes ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== Documentation....The hardest part of genealogy. ============================== FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account today: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi - Looking to make contact with Marquerite Ringuet researching Bennet Parker Rodger b 1888 in Mackay, Qld, Australia. Can anyone help please. Regards Jenny

Hi - Looking to make contact with Christina Ramsay Rae researching William Ramsay/Margaret Burt. Can any one help me please. Regards Jenny

No reponse - I subscribed to the BORDER-D list and received an acknowledgement. Might re-subscribe to BORDER-L ....... Grr Janelle -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Carolyn McInnes <mcinnes@net2000.com.au> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 29 October 1999 08:07 Subject: Re: BORDER List Queries Hi Janelle, I have just sent a test & I am waiting now. Hmmmm chatting through a list......... Carolyn ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== GENUKI -Main Scotland Page http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ ============================== RootsWeb.com now offers UNLIMITED Web space for FREE! Sign up today for RootsWeb's Freepages program: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Regarding FLESHER, This thread was thoroughly gone into a few weeks ago on the Ayrshire list. I've included below a copy of a letter I posted there at that time. It has been established that the difference between a flesher and a butcher is that a flesher kills his own meat and retails it, while a butcher buys in meat for retail. Fleshing is also the act of skinning an animal in a slaughterhouse but slaughterhouse employees are multi skilled these days and no one person does only skinning or has the title of flesher. Before we start getting letters about Fleshers being buffalo skinners or someone cutting blubber from whales, please remember there is not much buffalo or whale hunting in Scotland! Have a nice one :^) Cheers, John. > To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Flesher > > > At 09:12 PM 10/9/99 +0100, you wrote: > > > >My trusty ol' dictionary says, > > > >Flesher [n]. Scot. a butcher. > > Well, now I understand the problem here . . . I was using an ** > English ** > dictionary! <grin> > Today I popped in to see Alan McGarrity of the famous family of butchers. I told him of this thread and asked for his thoughts on the matter. He was pleased to learn of the interest in his trade and is also pleased to answer any enquiries anyone may have about the history of butchery in this area and other local families of butchers. The term flesher is still in use today and refers to a butcher who kills his own meat. Butchers used to slaughter animals in the back shop and sell the meat in the front shop and by horse and cart. [He went and dug out an old photo of his fathers horse and cart.] The introduction of hygiene regulations prohibited the slaughter of animals on site and as a result slaughterhouses came into existence. > >I live in Ayrshire where it is not too unusual to see butchers still > >advertised as a Flesher. Some of our supermarkets have a Fleshing dept. > >Neither of them sell hide. > > Mr McGarrity was able to inform me that the only flesher in Ayrshire today is the Co-operative and that they have Fleshers on the side of their vans and in their supermarket meat departments. > My very wild guess is that we will find that you are correct in > current parlance (I'm sure that English in the UK has deteriorated as much > as it has over here!) but that more research will still suggest the > distinction I discussed. > Flesher is a Lallans word, probably of Scandinavian or Germanic origin while Butcher appears to be of Celtic origin. It's the Lallans which has deteriorated here due to English being taught as a first language in school. I'll write again tonight when I've heard from my nephew who works at the slaughterhouse. Cheers, John. Unashamed advertising FOR THE BEST IN SCOTCH BEEF VISIT ANY OF THE MCGARRITY BROTHERS SHOPS IN AYRSHIRE!! Anyone who wishes to take Mr McGarrity up on his offer should e-mail me privately and I'll fax them or take them to him. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erayl@aol.com [mailto:Erayl@aol.com] > Sent: 28 October 1999 05:29 > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Occupation: flesher? > > > Unless a "flesher" is Scottish slang for a butcher, I still stand by my > definition as one who removes the flesh from hides ("The American > Heritage > Dictionary"). > > Eleanor Rayl > Indianapolis > > In a message dated 10/27/99 10:13:40 PM, JaniDart@aol.com writes: > > << G'Day Janet: A flesher is a butcher. Cheers Jani >> > > ______________________________