Could SKS please let me know where Grangemouth is ? I believe in the parish of Bothkenmar. I have been having difficulty getting into the information of places on the IGI site to obtain the Batch No. so if anyone has a Batch No. I would also be very grateful. Heather Vancouver Island, Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I have been subscribed for some time to the list, watching and learning. I am very new to researching my ancestors but felt it was time to post my interests. Presently I am researching MACKINNON/McKINVEN, Argyll EAGLESOME/EAGLESHAM and the many variants in Ayr and Argyll also, McEachen, McKeitch, Graham, Carmichael, Brown Heather Vancouver Island, Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Can someone tell me if there is still a town in Scotland called "Belinshoe", and if so, where is it please? I need to know which Parish or County in order to attempt to locate a 3rd gt grandfather who was reportedly born there ca. 1800. Also, is there still a town named "Allardice". I also have an ancestor with that last name and I've seen the name listed as a "place" on the IGI, but I cannot find it recorded anywhere I've searched so far. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Pat.

Can anyone tell me please about the printfield in Glasgow in the mid 1800s? regards Judy -----Original Message----- From: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 3 November 1999 2:57 Subject: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D Digest V99 #635

Hello Kay what date was this school census taken year? Jim

There is a page on these on the D&G FHS website at www.nevisuk.net/dgfhs/naming.html Terry Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: charles hunter <cfhhch2@webtv.net> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: Naming Patterns > On another List there was mention of "Scottish naming patterns for > children"..what might these patterns be? > > Charlie Hunter cfhhch2@webtv.net > >

I have a copy of a Marriage Proclamation Certificate dated 1864 which refers to the "1st. Congn. U. P. Church, Alloa". Would I be correct in assuming this stands for "1st. Congregational United Protestant Church"? If not can someone please enlighten me as to its true meaning? Ian Miller Upminster Essex UK "O, that it were possible, We might but hold some two days' conference With the dead." (The Duchess of Malfi)

Hi Betty Wintersteen I always look in your "lists" and although I have never found any of mine I would like to thank you and say what a treasure you are. You have obviously done a lot of work and so willing to share it with everyone. I am sure many people appreciate the contribution you are making. Cheers Annette in Dubbo

Some one on another list sent this, hope it helps Naming Order of Children English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879. First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother) Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother Third daughter - named after the mother Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister First son - named after the father's father Second son was named after the mother's father Third son - named after the father Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother. Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list. Irish, 1800's. First daughter - named after the paternal grandmother Second daughter - named after the maternal grandmother First son - named after the paternal grandfather, Second son - named after the maternal grandfather After that alternate names using the grandmothers', grandfather's; mother's, aunt's and uncle's names. If a child died, that name was to be recycled with a future child. Scottish, 1700 to 1800's. First daughter - named for maternal grandmother Second daughter - named for paternal grandmother Third daughter - named after her mother Other daughters were named after other family members First son - named after paternal grandfather Second son - named after maternal grandfather Third son - named after his father This policy holds true unless one family member had more assets or a higher social standing than the other. One unique aspect of Scottish naming was that if two grandmothers or two grandfathers had the same given name, two children in the same family would end up with the same name. Another practice was to name daughters after the clergyman or other important male figure. Regards Cheryl Australia

Does the name ''Durop" have any meaning to anyone out there in ''Scotish land''? Thanks, Jean Nichols jjnichols@capecod.net

Dear Carolyn, Thanks for your email of interest...Sorry for being so long in reply. We now have names WILLIAM RUSSELL m.1878 to ISABELLA BARNES. Jane Drysdale Russell was born in 1885 at Tranent, Haddington. Midlothian..... The DRYSDALE name appears to come from HIS mother's name.......We keep searching...Thelma in Queensland BIRRELL Family.. <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mrbirrell/ > <http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell2.html > Matt and Thelma at Maroochydore, Queensland, . CHERISH YESTERDAY - DREAM TOMORROW - LIVE TODAY

Can someone please help with the correct spelling and information about the place in the subject line? I beleive it is or was somewhere in the Glasgow, LKS area. Thank you, Annie Stuart. billannieliam@ozemail.com.au

Our ancestors adhered (some closely, some haphazardly) to a pattern in naming their children that can be used as clues when seeking parent names. Here is the pattern: 1st son: Father's father 2nd son: Mother's father 3rd son: Father 1st daur: Mother's mother 2nd daur: Father's mother 3rd daur: Mother I have found later children to be named after the grandparents of the father & mother as well as after siblings of the father and mother. So when John and Mary have these children: Malcolm David Margaret Ann.... ...it's *possible* John's parents are Malcom and Ann while Mary's are David and Margaret. Happy hunting- Audrey Ann Bennett Audrey_Ann@msn.com Bellevue, Washington USA (near Seattle, home of Starbucks, Pearl Jam, Boeing, and Microsoft) > -----Original Message----- > From: charles hunter [mailto:cfhhch2@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:34 AM > To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Naming Patterns > > > On another List there was mention of "Scottish naming patterns for > children"..what might these patterns be? > > Charlie Hunter cfhhch2@webtv.net > >

On another List there was mention of "Scottish naming patterns for children"..what might these patterns be? Charlie Hunter cfhhch2@webtv.net

SEEKING INFO.ON FAMILIES: LYON, STREET, MORRIS . > Retired schoolteacher in Texas, USA, needs help in > finding kin and/or ancestors in SCOTLAND.The family > names are MORRIS, STREET, & LYON. > Please drop me a line if you are related or are > researching these names to: > bensessions@yahoo.com > My wife & I plan to visit SCOTLAND this coming > August & would appreciate any links you might > provide so that we might visit relatives and/or gravesites . > > Blessings to You and Yours, Ben Street Sessions and wife Elfriede (See you in August) E-mail: Ben Street Sessions ===== ******************************************* Benjamin Street Sessions BenSessions@yahoo.com ******************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Here is another one at Tibbermore this time. Does anyone know their History, who founded them and how were they funded etc.,? This is just one page, there are about 6 all together plus 4 for the Industrial School for Girls Wellshill which is next door Kay Institution: "Fechney Industrial School" Census Place: Tibbermore, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203511 GRO Ref Volume 387 EnumDist 8 Page 38 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas GARDENER U 15 M Dunfermilne, Fife, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Henry REID U 15 M Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John DOUGLAS U 15 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Thomas MC PHEAT U 15 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John MC PHEAT U 14 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Walter WATSON U 15 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John WATSON U 14 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar James RUTHERFORD U 14 M Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John RUTHERFORD U 12 M Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Joseph CAMPBELL U 12 M St Andrews, Fife, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Robert JOHNSON U 14 M St Andrews, Fife, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar David HENDERSON U 13 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar William SMITH U 14 M England Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar William NICOLSON U 12 M Ireland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar William BLUNDEN U 15 M Ireland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar James MARTIN U 14 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar James THOMAS U 14 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John HAY U 11 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar David FAICHNEY U 13 M Auchterarder, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Edward ALLEN U 12 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar Peter MC LAREN U 14 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John MC KAY U 12 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John MC LUSKY U 12 M Milnathort, Kinross, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar John GIBSON U 13 M Milnathort, Kinross, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar David GIBSON U 11 M Milnathort, Kinross, Scotland Rel: Pupil Occ: Scholar ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: 31 October 1999 23:30 Subject: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D Digest V99 #632

Thanks so much; I will contact the group. Don't know why I didn't do a little surfing myself, but it didn't seem possible that they were still a "going" concern after all these years. Lucille Richmond -----Original Message----- From: Erayl@aol.com <Erayl@aol.com> To: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Daughters of Scotia Lodge > >In a message dated 10/31/99 10:11:44 PM, cwrichmond@snet.net writes: > ><< Does anyone know if the Daughters of Scotia lodge is still in existence? >>> > >According to my brief search on altavista.com, it seems that it may be still >around: > >Central New York Scots - programs of the Scottish Games and Celtic Festival, >the St. Andrew's Society of Central New York and the Daughters of Scotia >Lodge #127. > >The link led me to their web site which lists states and cities where they >have chapters: >http://www.cnyscots.com/daughter.html > >Rhode Island has a chapter in Providence only. > >Here is a bit about them from the web site: > >DAUGHTERS of SCOTIA > >Sponsored by Grand Lodge Daughters of Scotia >Elizabeth M. Reed Grand Recording Secretary > >The objects of the order are: >To bring together (a) Wives, Widows, Mothers, Sisters, Daughters of Clansmen >of the Order of Scottish Clans; (b) Women born in Scotland; (c) Women tracing >Scottish descent from a grandparent or great-grandparent; (d) Daughters of >members of Scottish descent; (e) Legally adopted Daughters of members of the >Daughters of Scotia and Clansmen; (f) Step-Daughters of members of the >Daughters of Scotia and Clansmen (g) Mothers of Daughters (the latter born in >Scotland) members of our Order; 'A wife whose husband is of Scottish descent, >whether he is a Clansman, or not.' > >Rhode Island has a chapter in Providence only. > > >==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >GENUKI -Main Scotland Page >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ > >============================== >RootsWeb.com now offers UNLIMITED Web space for FREE! >Sign up today for RootsWeb's Freepages program: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Hamish, I haven't really been following this discussion. My name, Janel, is being confused with the flamer, Janelle. Certainly an honest mistake. Janel in Chicago

Thank you all who agreed with ClanDowill in the possibility of corruptions of names Eison for Eason & Easton, and the suggestion that it sounded Jairman, especial thanks to the list member who stated that she had friends in America by the name Eison who were of German Jewish stock. Yes without a doubt it sounds Krout! What do you think Janel, <RedNurse@aol.com> "A Rose by any other name is a rose just the same" Hamish

Ben Mine are LYON, COMMON, POTTS, ORMISTON finally meeting up in Helen Ormiston born Edinburgh on 1856 March 12. Now a retired school teacher in NZ I can produce my picture standing next her in 1937; she lasted another 10 or more years. Her parents were John Ormiston 1839 to 1890 and Isabella Common 1837 to 1900. Grandparents William Ormiston 1791 to 1874 and Helen Potts married 23 May 1823 in Canongate. Grandparents James Common and Eliza Lyon and guesses bon about 1800 married about 1820 died aft 1860. Currently this is the one I'm working on. I've searched the 1861 Canonate Census without finding them ( There is Elizabeth Lyon Lodger Widow 68, Sempstress at 59A Canongate). Currently I'm working on the Duddingston OPR. (7 Nov 1792 Elizabeth Lyon) Jim McArthur Invercargill