Hi list, just thought I would ask again, anyone with FRANCE as a surname in their family list. We hail from Stirlingshire - mostly Clackmannan, Alva. Have associations with STEWART, HALL, McQUEEN It would be great to hear from someone. Regards, Kate Patterson, New Zealand.

Hi Pat, Sorry I haven`t written back sooner. I have been very busy searching on google!! I really hadn`t used it much before but I certainly will now. I have found pictures of everything. I found all the Scott castles except one called Scott Castle and I can`t find a picture of Branxholm Castle, which I have read that it is almost destroyed except for one part which is in use today. I have been reading all the history I can find. I have found pictures of Hawick as it is today, are Dawyck and Hawick the same place? My Scotts are from my grandmother`s side and my Kerrs are from my grandfather`s side. My 8th gr grandfather, James Scott was christened 30 May 1720, parish Church of Hawick, Church of Scotland,Roxbourshire parents were James Scott and Anne Scott married 3 Mar 1712, parish church of Hawick, Roxbourshire, Scotland. James was married for the second time 23 Jun. 1770 to Margaret Tullay(Tully) in the parish church. I was wondering if someone might know the name of the church. Sorry about the British, I will always use English from now on. I have contacted the Church of Scotland about obtaining copies of these documents and Rev. MacLean said to contact the General Register`s office. I found them on their website, but I was wondering if anyone has ever searched there and if what they have is just a listing or if you can get copies of the documents. Now on another note, I am trying to find out if there is a Clan Dodds. I have read about them being a border clan and I have also read about them being a sept of several other clans. Thanks again for everything Kay

Hello, I have these sites and thought that they may be of interest to you. Patricia http://web.ukonline.co.uk/sheila.jones/scotemig.htm <A HREF="http://web.ukonline.co.uk/sheila.jones/scotemig.htm">Emigrants to the Carolinas from Scotland 1774</A> -For AOL Users http://www.execpc.com/%7eharoldr/shiplist.htm <A HREF="http://www.execpc.com/%7eharoldr/shiplist.htm">Ship Passenger Lists</A> -ALO Users http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5978/Emigration.html <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5978/Emigration.html">http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5978/Emigration.html</A> -AOL Users http://www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/islskye.htm <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/islskye.htm">ISLE OF SKYE Passenger List</A> -AOL Users http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html">PASSENGER LISTS ON THE INTERNET</A> -AOL Users http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/scotland/ <A HREF="http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/scotland/">ScotlandGenWeb Project</A> -AOL Users http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/pittdeednotes.htm <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/pittdeednotes.htm">PCFR, Roger's Deed Notes</A> -AOL Users http://members.aol.com/HoseyGen/NCLOYALD.HTML <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/HoseyGen/NCLOYALD.HTML">North Carolina Loyalists During the American Revolution</A>-AOL Users http://www.accessgenealogy.com/northcarolina/ <A HREF="http://www.accessgenealogy.com/northcarolina/">AccessGenealogy - North Carolina's Genealogy Resource Center</A>-AOL Users http://home.amaonline.com/genealogy/nc.htm <A HREF="http://home.amaonline.com/genealogy/nc.htm">North Carolina Genealogy*</A> -AOL Users

Hi list , is anyone else searching for Thomas Allison and wife Elizabeth Henderson. Both born in Ireland and married in Ireland. First son Thomas born in Ireland. The rest of the children all born in Glenluce, Scotland. Elizabeth. Samuel, Robert , William and Agnes. Lynda British Columbia. Canada.

Hello All !! I ordered "The Macomb Family Record" by Henry Alexander Macomb."It connects with the phk almost perfectly, but on the Macomb side, (our cousins).They both have "McComb families" reported in the same county," Dunturkey, Ballynure Ireland prior to 1700. Then they are also found in the same cities in America, Cumberland Co. Penn., Westchester co New York, one address is a dead ringer, the old mansion whats now called "Bunkers Hotel" NewYork. John Gordon McComb b. 1717 is listed as number 4 on the Macomb descendency line, he would be generation 6 in the phk, the son of the ?? McComb who married Jane Gordon, page 21->phk. John G. McCombs' father is William McComb b. 1685 (<-same as Bl--K, ), same place too, Dunturkey Ballynure Ireland. Williams father is John McComb(bie) b. 1650 Scotland, Linen Draper, wife unknown, supposedly "died" in 1732<-(same year Bl--k emigrated from Ireland), Johns father is John McCooam (MacCombie) b. 1619 "Scotland. "(They are trying to say that this is Iain Mors son John. This does conflict with he Skirmish at Drumbgley story, or McCombies field, but who knows the real truth?) John MacCombies b.1619, his father would then be Iain Mor. "I think" its one of Iain Mors brothers, uncles, nephews or cousins, but not him. It is said that John survived the skirmish at McCombies field, and later died if his wounds. I believe that "sometimes," when it is said that someone had died, it could be actually a lie, to successfully emigrate, to cover any tracts left behind. "Escape and Live in Peace!!!" they all think Im dead!! The 2 books are off by 2 generations. The Macomb book shows 2 additional generations between John Gordon McCombs father William (Bl--ks brother) and Iain Mor. Since Jane Gordon is listed in both books, that only leads to one conclusion, please correct me if I wrong. The phk "is" only missing 2 generations. "Bl--k and William" would be the "great grandsons" of Iain Mor-according to the Macomb book, and the "children" of Iain Mor -according to the phk. In compling with the challenge dared by Peter on page 259 of the phk, "I believe I have come across the "75 year period" of missing info, that was determined by Peter and his associates." Both books mention keyplaces like Dunturkey, Ballynure, Ireland, Cumberland co. Pennsylvania, Westchester co.New York, even one address to be exact, BUNKERS HOTEL, with dates that are too-close for comfort. There is a 16 page addition to the Macomb book with some references to the phk, added afterwards. The phk was out before the Macomb book, about 5 years earlier, 1912. That means when they wrote the Macomb book, they have found more info later.The 2 "being so close" this could have some validity towards a "breakthrough" in the stuck point. "The connection between Ireland and Scotland. Does anyone know where I can find "whole" lists of the brothers, uncles, cousins of Iain Mor? There were three McCombs noted in the U.S. before us. John McComb w.Elizebeth Middleton(1668), his son John McColme(1723), and Dugall McComb 1718 - Scotch-Irish Pioneer. Regards, Jeff McComb

>From Collins Clans and Tartans Book - (ISBN. 0-00-458958-0) Henderson - Crest Badge: A dexter hand holding a star argent surmounted by a crescent. or. (picture) Motto: Sola virtus nobilitat ( Virtue alone ennobles) Gaelic Name : Mac Eanruig. ( picture of the tartan also in the book) The name Henderson in Gaelic is Mac Eanruig, sometimes rendered in English as MacKendrick and is found in widely separated districts in Scotland. Those in Caithness and the north claim to be a sept of the Clan Gunn. The principal family of Hendersons was the Clan Eanruig of Glencoe, for whom it is claimed that they were in that glen of grievous memory centuries before the MacIans, or MacDonalds, arrived there. Tradition states that " Iain Fraoch " a brother of John, 1st Lord of the Isles, married a daughter of the chief of the Hendersons of Glencoe and that their son Iain was the founder of the MacIains of Glencoe. He was called Iain Abrach, from his being born in Lochaber, and the clan came to be known as the Clan Abrach. The Hendersons who were notable for their strength, always formed the bodyguard of the chief and were the hereditary pipers of the Clan Abrach. >From the Hendersons of Fordell in Angus was descended the Reverend Alexander Henderson who was prominent in the Presbyterian Church of Scotland during the early 17th century. He helped to prepare the National Covenant of 1638 and was Moderator of the Glasgow Assembly which outlined Presbyterian organisation in the same year. He drafted the Solemn League and Covenant in 1643 and was a member of the Westminster Assembly which issued the Confession of Faith. Hope this is what you are looking for Kind Regards Margaret ( One Name Study - Aikenhead ( various spellings ) info. wanted ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ortzs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: [SCOTS~GEN] Fw: Is HENDERSON Scottish??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ortzs <[email protected]> > To: scotish geanology <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:42 PM > Subject: Is HENDERSON Scottish??? > > > was told that HENDERSON may be Scottish. > Looking for the meaning of the name > where it originates from, > if it has a coat of arms > and any other info that may be helpful. > > Thank you, > Michelle > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Want to leave the list ? > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > or > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > >

>From Collins Scottish Surnames Book - (ISBN 0-00-470463-0) Henderson - A patronymic from the given name Henry, it's older form was Henryson, but the intrusive ' d ' proved easier on the tongue, and the modern spelling now prevails. Never a clan in any sense of the word, the Hendersons formed a number of unconnected families who lived in different parts of Scotland. It is possible to recognise three main branches : (1) Henderson of Fordell in Fife, whose earlier name was Henryson and who came originally from Dumfriesshire:, William Henrison was chamberlain of Lochmaben Castle in the late 14th century. The poet Robert Henrtson was a clerical schoolmaster attached to Dunfermline Abbey in the 15th century, and around 1583. (ii) In the far north a chieftain of the clan Gunn had a younger son Henry who founded a family of MacHendries or Hendersons who settled in the lowlands of Caithness. (iii) A branch of the original Glencoe stock which claimed descent from Henry, son of the Pictish King Nechtan, styled themselves MacEanruig or MacKendrick, which was later translated into Henderson. There are of course many other Hendersons who originate with some unsung Henry: the surname is among the top thirty in Scotland, and the distribution very wide. Hope this helps some. Kind Regards Margaret ( One Name Study - Aikenhead (various spellings) info. wanted ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ortzs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: [SCOTS~GEN] Fw: Is HENDERSON Scottish??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ortzs <[email protected]> > To: scotish geanology <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:42 PM > Subject: Is HENDERSON Scottish??? > > > was told that HENDERSON may be Scottish. > Looking for the meaning of the name > where it originates from, > if it has a coat of arms > and any other info that may be helpful. > > Thank you, > Michelle > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Want to leave the list ? > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > or > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > >

Hi Listers Is anybody researching the name DAVIE? I am at a deadend with this elusive ancestor. I have: James DAVIE, Silversmith, married Elizabeth HALLIDAY in Greenock, Renfrewshire on 21 June 1816 (have extract) they had 2 children: James b Greenock 2.4.1819 (have extract) Samuel Ewing b Greenock 14.7.1824 (have extract) James (Jr) "Seaman" married Jessie TAYLOR in Rothesay 25.9.1851 (have extract) - migrated to Australia - 1852/3. Samuel Ewing "Watchmaker" married Catherine CAMPBELL 1.1.1852 in Greenock (have extract) Catherine's father was Alexander CAMPBELL, "Merchant" of Greenock. Samuel was living in Dundonald, Ayr (mentioned in Pigots for Saltcoats) I have ALL Death Certificates, and etcetera. HELP!!!??? Janelle Canberra, Australia [email protected] Researching Davie, Halliday, Menzies, Taylor, Barr

In a message dated 3/14/01 10:09:34 AM, [email protected] writes: << Keep in mind that this list is open to discussions other than pure genealogical research type questions. >> Taking advantage of the above statement, I would really appreciate some kind soul giving me some clue as to temperature to be expected in the Highlands in July/August. I will be making my first trip to this area, as well as the English Lake Country, Wales and both parts of Ireland, and this information will be most helpful in curtailing excess baggage. Thanks, Billie McDonald Goldwire

I am at a standstill on my Lyons family. Family legend says that my gggrandfather, Oscar M. Lyons, came from Scotland with his family, and that his parents died on the voyage over. I found him in the 1870 census, where he says his place of birth is Ohio. Then I found his son, William, in the 1910 census. He lists his father's place of birth as West Virginia. I am so confused, I don't know where to look next. I know Oscar was born in 1849 and married in Douglas co. Ks in 1873 to Polly Lampson. He died in Ks 1930. I know nothing of parents, siblings etc. If this sounds familiar, or if you have any suggestions on where to go next I would really appreciate hearing from you. Thank you, Lisa Lyons Turner

Sorry, in Last post I didn't make it clear that in Scotland Parish Church means Church of Scotland, which is reformed in Theology, Catholic in outlook, and Presbyterian in government. Edward Andrews St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm

Mr Maclean was the minister of the Parish of Cotton, that is he was the minister of the Parish. However this means actually nothing. It was a legal necessity for the Banns to be called in the Parish Church. Thus the banns were called in one Church, and the marriage could have taken place in another one, in this case probably the Roman Catholic one. (By the way are you sure that the parish is Cotton, and not Carlton? While I haven't got the requisite Fasti, there was a McLean the minister there about that time (or a bit earlier) Remember that the Civil Registration of events didn't start until 1855. For the Parish of Carlton, you are talking about the Gorbals. You are I think speaking about one RC church - and this is before the reestablishment of the hierarchy and there were not a lot of Churches about. Glasgow was I believe at that time under a Mission. It depends what you mean by Commuted from Ireland. If you mean would ha have travelled daily? I suggest that you look at http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/ where you will find maps. Even today it is unusual for people to commute in the 1850s impossible. However if you are asking whether the family might have practiced transhumance, then the answer is yes. Every year lots of Irish went from Ireland to Scotland (and England) where they worked as agricultural labourers. Many Irish also travelled intermittently to Britain to work as Navies. However given that James is down as an iron puddler, it is reasonable to assume that he was a resident of Glasgow, more specifically the Gorbals. You have to remember that your Ancestors, being post famine Irish were probably the poorest of the poor. They could have come from anywhere in the Northern part of Ireland. There is a possibility if you find the records in the Mission records that there will be more than Ireland listed. In fact someone trying to get back to Ireland from Scotland in the absence of some family oral tradition is pretty poor. People came and went, and there have never been ship lists (I wonder if the lists for safety purposes which there now are of people travelling on ferries are kept or dumped after every trip?) Post famine they flooded over of all persuasions and from everywhere. Many of them stayed long enough to gather up the boat fare to America. Why didn't they go directly from Ireland? Probably they were too poor. Edward Andrews St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm > > Hoping somebody can direct me gor further information. Here is my story... > James Sewell was born in Ireland about 1826. The next document I > have on him > is a marriage record which I obtained from the General Register Office for > Scotland extracted from a Register of Proclamations and Banns or Marriages > (online). It reads: "James Shuall, (aka James Sewell in the USA) Iron > Puddler in Glascow, to Elizabeth Morton residing there, 24 of November, > 1851,by Rev. Allan Maclean, Minister of the Parish of Cotton." Parish of > Glasgow; County of Lanark. (The family practiced Roman > Catholicism in USA.) > They had a son, John Sewell, in 1853 prior to immigration. I ws unable to > find his BC at this web site. > > The goal of this research is to find where in Ireland James was from. The > reason is because James Sewell's sister, Mary Sewell, married a Daniel > McCue, both born in Ireland. James and Mary McCue were my gggGrandparents. > BTW, I found no marriage record for the McCues but know their first born > son, John James was born in Scotland. > > My questions are:1. Can I assume that James lived in Glascow as well, or > could he have commuted from Ireland? > 2. How could I find what Church and religious affiliation that > Rev. MacLean > ministered to. > 3. Any suggestions for my next step? > > Thank you for reading this wordy email. I hope everybody is still awake. > Thanking you for any help. > > Maura McCormick, Cleveland, OH > Researching the James Sewell/Elizabeth Morton and Daniel McCue/Mary Sewell > lines. > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > All mail to the list must be addressed to; [email protected] > if you don't follow the above example, it will end up in the trash can. > >

> > Thanks again Pat and Christine, Maybe you can > answer another question for me, I have the book written by his HRH > Prince Michael of Albany i which he talks about Roxburgh Castle, the > earliest mention of which is in 1177 when Willam, King of Scots was > given back his castles in Berwick and Roxburgh, doesn`t say when built, > as his by right of inheritance. Later in 1341, Scots recaptured fortress > at Roxburgh, then King James II Stewart was killed at Roxburgh Castle in > 1460, after which Roxburgh Castle was in the hands of the British for > 100 years. No Roxburgh Castle was in the hands of the English I was wondering if there could have been an earlier castle > built in Roxburgh before Floors Castle, which the Internet says was > built for the first Duke of Roxburgh, before there was a Duke or > Duchess of Buccleugh,Roxburgh and somehow it was destroyed. Thanks > again Kay The Buccleuch's became Dukes when the Countess married the Duke of Monmouth - 1663. The Roxburghs were created Dukes in 1707 - guess how they got that? The Buccleuchs became E in 1619, while the Roxburghs became E in 1600. Floor's Castle was in Kelso, It still stands, Roxburgh Castle was still in Roxburgh, and is no more, while what use to be the largest Twon in Scotland is now one of the smallest villages. Edward Andrews > > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Why not expand your horizons-- > Sign on with the SCOTLAND mailing list: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe > >

Don't use the word "request" in the address of the mailing list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: KIRK Family-Scotland to Canada-1800's Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:08:29 -0700 From: "June Young" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Looking for a birth, and parents, for David KIRK, possibly of Edinburgh. He married Margaret BURNET(T), possibly of Kirkcaldy, about 1849+/-. Whether they married in Scotland prior to emigrating to Canada, I don't know. Once in Canada, they had at least 6 children: Janet, Elizabeth Bowie (b1852), Margaret (b1857), Margaret Westwater (b1862), Yellowless (Yellow Lees) (b1868), and David Monbray (b1871); may have been a Robert in there also. David was hit by a train and killed in 1897; buried in the Methodist Cemetery in West Farnham, Quebec. The children's birth records came from the Presbyterian Church there. I haven't been able to go any further with this family. I'm hoping that someone will recognize the middle names of the children and that they might be family names. Any help or suggestions as to where to look next would be very much appreciated. Thanks. June

Hello Listers, I am new to Scotland research and this list. I hope this an appropriate email. Hoping somebody can direct me gor further information. Here is my story... James Sewell was born in Ireland about 1826. The next document I have on him is a marriage record which I obtained from the General Register Office for Scotland extracted from a Register of Proclamations and Banns or Marriages (online). It reads: "James Shuall, (aka James Sewell in the USA) Iron Puddler in Glascow, to Elizabeth Morton residing there, 24 of November, 1851,by Rev. Allan Maclean, Minister of the Parish of Cotton." Parish of Glasgow; County of Lanark. (The family practiced Roman Catholicism in USA.) They had a son, John Sewell, in 1853 prior to immigration. I ws unable to find his BC at this web site. The goal of this research is to find where in Ireland James was from. The reason is because James Sewell's sister, Mary Sewell, married a Daniel McCue, both born in Ireland. James and Mary McCue were my gggGrandparents. BTW, I found no marriage record for the McCues but know their first born son, John James was born in Scotland. My questions are:1. Can I assume that James lived in Glascow as well, or could he have commuted from Ireland? 2. How could I find what Church and religious affiliation that Rev. MacLean ministered to. 3. Any suggestions for my next step? Thank you for reading this wordy email. I hope everybody is still awake. Thanking you for any help. Maura McCormick, Cleveland, OH Researching the James Sewell/Elizabeth Morton and Daniel McCue/Mary Sewell lines.

Hello! Looking for descendants of Alexander Bruce of Sarclet 1823-1904 his wives 1)Margaret Downie died abt 1854 son William b 1851 my ggf. son George b 1852 2) Margaret Forbes b abt 1826 died 1904 Their children,Isabella,Alexander,James,Catherine. Would like to fill in the twigs for last Century,please help me! TIA Carol Martin ms Bruce

Hi, Believe Henderson is a sept of the Glencoe McDonalds regards billy

Hello! from Australia, Some folks have misunderstood my previous offer so here goes- I have a large database; SARCLET,WICK,CAI.SCT. OPR's 1701-1855 Births & Marriages 1841-1891 Census-Sarclet,Village,Hillhead of Sarclet and Lochside of Sarclet are included in most of these Census. Happy to help Carol Martin

Thanks again Pat and Christine, Maybe you can answer another question for me, I have the book written by his HRH Prince Michael of Albany i which he talks about Roxburgh Castle, the earliest mention of which is in 1177 when Willam, King of Scots was given back his castles in Berwick and Roxburgh, doesn`t say when built, as his by right of inheritance. Later in 1341, Scots recaptured fortress at Roxburgh, then King James II Stewart was killed at Roxburgh Castle in 1460, after which Roxburgh Castle was in the hands of the British for 100 years. I was wondering if there could have been an earlier castle built in Roxburgh before Floors Castle, which the Internet says was built for the first Duke of Roxburgh, before there was a Duke or Ducchess of Buccleugh,Roxburgh and somehow it was destroyed. Thanks again Kay

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [SCOTS~GEN] Scotts Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:02:09 -0700 From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Hi Cannot tell you the name of the castle in Roxburgh but I can tell you it is most certainly not the same as Stirling. Stirling is north of Edinburgh. Roxburgh is in the border country which is south of Edinburgh and divides Scotland from England. Someone more helpful will give you the name of the castle. Might be Floors. Best wishes Christine [email protected] Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/